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15634036 No.15634036 [Reply] [Original]

>philosophy is just language games
>morality is just an evolutionary construction
>mathematics is just an arbitrary reasoning system with arbitrary axioms

Is there any truth which exists outside of the material world?

>> No.15634048

>>15634036
no

>> No.15634053

>Is there any truth which exists outside of the material world?
meaningless "philosophical" question

we are essentially just intelligent dust monkeys on a giant rock hurdling through space. Nothing is real and thought is meaningless, there is no reason to even think about this Queston because it makes no sense and the fact that you are bringing it up is proof that the chemicals in your brain are mixing in an irregular way. take some psycho-materialistic medicine from big pharma and you will feel better.

>> No.15634094

>>15634053
Stupid ESL

>> No.15634101

>>15634036
"I think therefore I am"; if you have consciousness then your existence is the only truth you can really be sure of but that's pretty fascinating.

>> No.15634106

>>15634094
Not ESL

the concept of a "material world" is dumb. There is simply only what there is. We are just intelligent monkeys and it is meaningless to discuss these topics.

>> No.15634112

>>15634053
How does this question make no sense? By material world I mean the world which remains constant and is unaffected by changes in time or space. Doesn't the fact that the material world exist require some reason for it to not be nonexistent? And whatever that truth may be, it must be divorced from changes in time or space because it is the cause of them.

>> No.15634117

>>15634112
all of that is meaningless word games. you even admit it.

"truth" is an inherently philosophical concept, not scientific. In other words, youre wasting your time if you think science is truth

>> No.15634120

>>15634036
physics

>> No.15634124

>>15634117
Nta but why do you care about making sure people don't think or care about these things?

>> No.15634134

>>15634124
because things simply are what they are

you keep trying to bring word games into it and thats not real. there is no "physical world" nor a "real world" nor "truth"

>> No.15634140

>>15634106
>me grug, me no think me just do
knuckle dragging half wit

>> No.15634146

>>15634134
nta means "not that anon", anon.
But if there's no real world then what "simple is" as you say?
And what do you mean no truth, do you think that there isn't a specific line of events to every action and event? Wouldn't that mean you don't believe in causality? How does reality function for you then, what do you think time is?
How do you even come these conclusions?

>> No.15634150

>>15634146
>But if there's no real world then what "simple is" as you say?
what there is, that all. you are thinking about it too much. Again, we have no understanding of reality because were are stardust. you don't understand that you cant grasp anything but you think you can.

>And what do you mean no truth, do you think that there isn't a specific line of events to every action and event? Wouldn't that mean you don't believe in causality? How does reality function for you then, what do you think time is?
How do you even come these conclusions?
word games. Im not claiming anything. Im simply withholding judgment.

>> No.15634155

>>15634150
So you're not going to explain a single thing about your claims then?
This was a waste of energy engaging with you.

>> No.15634161

>>15634155
there is nothing to discuss, truth isn't referring to anything. I hope you realize this.

>> No.15634162

>>15634036
all truth exists outside the material world

>> No.15634229

>>15634117
If truth is a purely meaningless concept, then how can any statement be made about anything? You claim that it is true that truth means nothing, but that defeats itself

>> No.15634347

>>15634036
>I think therefore I am
This is the only known truth. You could be a brain in a vat, solipsism could be true, etc

>> No.15634435

>>15634155
>so you're not going to engage in meaningless word games with me!?
>preposterous!
lmao virgin philosophiser btfo by chad nihilist

>> No.15634450

>>15634036
>philosophy is just language games
True
>morality is just an evolutionary construction
False
>mathematics is just an arbitrary reasoning system with arbitrary axioms
False
>Is there any truth which exists outside of the material world?
Yes

>> No.15634460

>>15634450
>True
true
>False
false
>False
false
>Yes
false

>> No.15634487
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15634487

>>15634460
Were you born with double X chromosomes? If not, I have to say at least cognitively and morally you're passing very well.

>> No.15634514

>>15634036
>philosophy is just language games
based and wittgensteinpilled

>> No.15634522

>>15634053
>meaningless "philosophical" question
Get a load of this midwit

>> No.15634524

>>15634514
>midwitgenstein

>> No.15635075

>>15634487
Are you suffering from Down Syndrome? Because if not, I have to say you sound like you very much are.

>> No.15635312

>>15634036
>mathematics is just an arbitrary reasoning system with arbitrary axioms
Try building a bridge without maths

>> No.15635338

>>15634450
>>morality is just an evolutionary construction
>False
Morality is just game theory. You can derive what people universally consider to be the basics of good morals from the iterated prisoner's dilemma.

>> No.15635369

>>15634036
The consequences of the arbritary axioms of mathematics are those truths.

Pythagoras Theorem is not an independent truth, but the fact that the theorem follows from its assumptions is.

>> No.15635377

>>15634036
>philosophy is just language games
>morality is just an evolutionary construction
>mathematics is just an arbitrary reasoning system with arbitrary axioms
If the first statement is true then the second and third statements are just meaningless language games.

/thread

>> No.15635707

>>15634036
>Is there any truth which exists outside of the material world?

It seems no truth exists outside of the material world. But this statement itself is not contained within the material world, and says something about non-material things, namely, that there is no truth in them. If the statement is true, then it is simultaneously false, since it would be a true statement which exists outside of the material world. But something cannot be and not be at the same time. Thus, there must be truth which exists outside of the material world.

>> No.15635780

>>15635338
Positivist cope. Morality is natural law

>> No.15635859

>>15635780
Logic follows from natural law so it's only natural that morality can be derived from game theory.

>> No.15635892

>>15634229
im not "referring to real things" like you think you are. You keep trying to paint people in a corner using Logic, but that is just word games.

>> No.15635903

>>15634036
Define truth.
Once you define it, you can actually answer this question.

>> No.15636113

>>15634048
fpbp

>> No.15636305

>>15634036
positivism is truly the biggest joke modernity have come up with

>> No.15636765

>>15634036
You've got it totally backwards, the only truth you can be sure exists is your own consciousness. It's the material world which you can't trust

>> No.15637006

>>15635892
You objectively are. You claim that truth is just a meaningless word game, but in order for you to admit that anything exists, you must admit that it can have certain properties and not have others, which can be phrased as true or false statements.

>> No.15637407

>>15637006
You can't materialize an apple with words, so words cannot grasp the entirety of apples. You can always find a flaw in a description of apples, to cast doubt on the truth of apples. But even if you did, I can still eat a real apple.