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What if we already reached longevity escape velocity and then all of us are immortal, What if someone wanted to torture someone forever and regenerate his body after every session and assuming that he has infinite resources, What should that person in pain do in order to stop the torture?!

>> No.15622104

>>15622100
Shut the fuck up, braindead retard

>> No.15622108

>>15622100
Being biologically immortal doesn't being you can't kill yourself.

>> No.15622111

>>15622104
thanks for the bump

>> No.15622120

>>15622108
he won't allow you to kill yourself

>> No.15622127

>>15622120
And what stops someone from torturing you for the rest of your life right now? You'll completely lose your mind long before your actual death.

>> No.15622146

>>15622127
what do you mean by losing your mind? what will happen exactly?

>> No.15622288

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/N4AvpwNs7mZdQESzG/the-dilemma-of-worse-than-death-scenarios

>Methods which may reduce the probability of indefinite worse than death scenarios (in order of effectiveness):

>1. Suicide

>2. Working on AI safety

>3. Thinking of ways of reducing the probability

>Suicide, depending on your theory on personal identity, may make the probability 0. If you believe that there is no difference between copies of you then there may be a possibility of being resurrected in the future however. As we aren't certain about what happens to the observer after death, it is unknown whether death will make worse than death scenarios impossible. I believe there are many ways in which it could reduce the probability, but the key question is: could it increase the probability? An argument against suicide is that it is more likely that people who commit suicide will go to "hell" than those who don't. This is because an entity who creates hell has values which accept suffering, making life a positive concept which should not be discarded. On the other hand, an entity with values related to efilism/antinatalism (philosophies in which suicide is generally accepted) would not create a hell at all. Of course, this is all based on a lot of speculation.

>There is a risk that the suicide attempt will fail and leave you in a disabled state. This could make you more vulnerable when considering indefinite worse than death scenarios. However, I would argue against this disadvantage because the only potential way to evade an entity powerful enough to cause these scenarios would be suicide, which always has a risk of failing.

>> No.15622714

Even if you had a strategy to deal with the torturer he could just wipe out your memory!

>> No.15622795
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffering_risks

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>>15622100
>muh soience fiction fantasy scenario
>>>/lit/sffg

>> No.15623039

>>15622100
it's quite possible once you get scanned, as in at least your brain, you might never be able to really die, in the true sense of dying.
dying means your information is major scrambled and you can't be assembled back in 3D.
after you get scanned, what you will experience next is a weird superposition of everything that can happen. until being scanned you have a certain expiry date, of old age. once you get scanned, there could be a situation where you will just keep on existing due to various reasons for being reassembled back in 3D, kinda like your issue, of someone continuing torturing you.
now, if they don't backup your lived torture experience, the new reconstructed you won't remember it.
I think there should be serious consideration before getting on the immortality bandwagon. quite possible you might not be able to really ensure you die. so far, old age takes care of that.

>> No.15625057

If infinite or near infinite consciousness is possible, then anything moving towards a situation where suffering can reach infinite proportions (an individual consciousness tortured for eternity) should be abolished, such as technological progress.

That's why I would never want to be uploaded. It's essentially Pascal's wager, except that it makes actual sense this time. It makes sense to terminate a happy life if it can decrease the chance of infinite torture by almost any amount.

>> No.15625086

>>15622804
People really think you can shove any science jargon into a topic and it immediately turns scientific

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>>15622146
You become a psychological robot and then have threesomes with Keith Reniere.

>> No.15625825

>>15622795
>Permanent loss of cultural heritage
Hey that's me

>> No.15625872

>>15622100
>wanted to torture someone forever
your body would no longer register the torture

>> No.15626063

>>15625057
Welcome to the great filter.

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>tranny thread

>> No.15626801

>>15626063
if we can't have backups eventually something will wipe us out.
people will get immortality, it is not avoidable. depends heavily on how it's implemented and unbreakable rules. else it goes sideways real fast.
immortal bodies get serialized so you can keep track of them. maybe even tracked at all times. you do have to give up certain shit if you want to be immortal. kids also. if you want kids you need to give up your immortal stop, to them. or you don't have any. until we get certain breaks where immortal population can increase once you can colonize a new planet etc.
we follow rules now, if we don't everything goes crazy real fast.