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15621771 No.15621771 [Reply] [Original]

Is he correct?
>vaccine manufacturers are not liable for injuries
>vaccines are exempt from double-blinded randomised placebo-controlled trials reporting all-cause mortality
This sounds insane and should be easy to deboonk if not true, right?

>> No.15621774

>>15621771
It's been 3 years. How much longer do you want to spaz about the vaccine?

>> No.15621794

>>15621774
which stage of cope is this?

>> No.15621809

>>15621771
>vaccine manufacturers are not liable for injuries

Sort of
>A manufacturer is not liable for harm caused by a nondefective product due to its inherent or unavoidable dangerousness. Thus, if a properly manufactured vaccine will cause harmful side effects in some portion of the recipient population, the manufacturer of the vaccine is not liable for those side effects. This principle is the subject of comment k to section 402A.

The manufacturer is only liable if vaccine is defective

>A manufacturer who produces and sells a defective vaccine that creates a risk of significant injury to the recipient is liable to any person injured by that defect under the principles stated in section 402A of the Restatement of Torts 2d.3

This anti-vax talking point is also stupid, making manufacturers liable to all intrinsic side effects would effectively make it impossible to produce any drugs or many types of food (eg peanuts) without being sue'd to oblivion everytime someone gets an anaphylactic shock.

>> No.15621823

>>15621794
The one where I stop feeling pity and start feeling annoyed by your mental illness.

>> No.15621847

>>15621823
How does a person end up being so obviously and unambiguously evil as you?

>> No.15621874

>>15621847
It's fine my 4 year old niece also thinks doctors are evil since the needle is scary, you'll grow up someday.

>> No.15621878

>>15621847
>just living my life since 2 years ago is by evil
Are you mad that you weren't allowed in by bars for like 2 months?

>> No.15621881

>>15621823
When did a creature like you ever feel pity?

>> No.15621885

>>15621874
>>15621878
Lying and gaslighting online about dangerous big pharma products is quite evil.

>> No.15621890

>>15621771
you're LIABLE to get your ass beat if you keep talkin shit on pfizer bruh

>> No.15621900

>>15621771
Vaccines are fake and gay. There’s no point. Now stfu

>> No.15623451

>>15621771
Yes, he is correct

>> No.15623522

>>15621771
He's 100% right but he's still too euphemistic. The injections are a weapon of genocide.

>> No.15623535

>>15621774
It takes three years to kill you so, not quite.

>> No.15623548

>>15621774
>It's been 3 years. How much longer do you want to spaz about the vaccine?
For the rest of my life. Because the damage Pfizer did to my body is irreversible. My postvaxx systemic autoimmune disease is progressing relentlessly.

>> No.15623585

Some shots were placebos so it is worse than it looks.

https://rumble.com/v2wx3w0-bombshell-one-in-three-pfizer-vaccine-shots-may-have-been-a-placebo.html

>> No.15623589

>>15621809
this. but antivaxxies and turmpbrains don't look any further than headlines.

>> No.15623664

>>15621809
Also, doesn't it only apply to government-recommended vaccines? At least here, there's an official recommendation and the government basically says "if we're telling everyone to get a measles jab, we're covering if it's a bad idea". Also, since it's the government that is responsible for the admission of new drugs, so the government ultimately signs the claim "it's safe", based on data from the manufacturer.

>> No.15624882

>>15621874
Doctors aren't evil, most are just incompetent like yourself.

>> No.15624887

>>15623589
But the headlines are in favor of the covid shots, your argument is incoherent.

>> No.15624899

>>15621809
>This anti-vax talking point is also stupid, making manufacturers liable to all intrinsic side effects would effectively make it impossible to produce any drugs or many types of food (eg peanuts) without being sue'd to oblivion everytime someone gets an anaphylactic shock.
then why dont drug companies get the same treatment?

>> No.15624901
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15624901

>>15623585
litteral definition of an experiment

>> No.15624999

>>15621774
>the vaccine is still killing people
>why do you care that it is still killing people
You have brainrot

>> No.15625019

>>15623664
>"if we're telling everyone to get a measles jab, we're covering if it's a bad idea"
No it isn't, it is saying "if we're telling everyone to get a measles jab, then the people that die/get horribly disfigured get no compensation/help." They aren't covering for anything, it is just an explicit denial of blame. What you are claiming would be if the government setup a fund to take care of people that were negatively effected by the vaccine

>> No.15625029

>>15621774
HIV vaccine caused problems after 10 years

>> No.15625035

>>15621809
Enough correlations have accumulated with heart complications to point to the obvious that this product is harmful

>> No.15625269

>>15621774
Vaccines are neither safe nor effective, fairy tales are told about past events. Explains how millions of people were saved by the vaccine, as these people died, despite the fact that lack of sanitation, food shortages and wars were responsible for a significant portion of the negative health conditions.

it's all memes.
It's all to controll the health destiny of the population.
Good needle for the good noodle.
Bad needle for the bad noodle.

It is a gigantic field experiment to introduce illness and chronic diseases, to make people controllable and dependent on the system.
It's not "a vaccine" that is the problem.
It's the fact, that you and especcially your children get coerced into accepting a injection, of which the quality nor contents are unknown to the recipient or vaccinator.
If it's injected then it's over, its in you, the contents are gone, the weapon of crime is disposed, in you.

>> No.15625291

>>15625019
>What you are claiming would be if the government setup a fund to take care of people that were negatively effected by the vaccine
That is what is set up. It's a check list. If your vaccine injury matches the check list then it's a quick process. If not well good fucking luck because the entire thing is made to be against you and the check list has never been updated. Oh and the statute of limitations is very short so you have to file a claim immediately when virtually no one knows this exists :)

>> No.15625296

>>15625269
How can they claim vaccines are safe and effective when every study comparing unvaccinated children to vaccinated children show negative health effects in the vaccinated group?

>> No.15625557

>>15624901
Except it was happening on the fly without consent to obscure the danger. Refer to your reference.

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15625609

>>15624899
You're a dirty low IQ poltard redneck, so you probably wont be able to understand the relevant differences between vaccines and other pharmaceuticals, but I'll do my best to clarify. With standard pharmaceuticals they are tested verey rigorously and only used on a small subset of the population, so even if some people experience negative side effects, the total number will be very small and there will generally be other treatment options available. The number of people who receive a vaccine, on the other hand will be much larger, since vaccines are usually administered very broadly, to most of the public. Even a if side effects are extremely rare, say 1% of the population, that would still mean literally millions of Americans are effected, and if vaxx manufacturers are liable for millions of people, that would just be too big of a financial burden to justify producing such a vaccine.

>> No.15625920

>>15625291
I don't think that even applies for the covid vaccine

>> No.15625928

>>15621771
Yep. The liability protection was in placed decades ago to promote, guess what?, vaccines. LMAO

Double-blinded randomized placebo-controlled trials aren't done because you're not supposed to do that, because you're supposed to trust the experts, CHUD! Why do you hate SCIENCE?

>> No.15625941

>>15625609
>With standard pharmaceuticals they are tested verey rigorously and only used on a small subset of the population
>The number of people who receive a vaccine, on the other hand will be much larger
> if side effects are extremely rare, say 1%
Good job BTFOing your entire argument retard

>> No.15625969

>>15625609
>t pharma shill
If your product is costing you millions because it is too dangerous then you need to make it safer. Lobbying to congress for full liability protection removes any incentive to make the products safer and incentivizes profit above health. The vaccine companies should be directly responsible for the "millions of americas" instead of paying a 17 cent tax on each vaccine while letting a corrupt court system give out compensation for injuries.

Also in the same bill that passed the liability protection, it required hhs to submit a report to congress every two years detailing what they've done to increase vaccine saftey. How many times has that report been done in the past 30 years? Zero times! Rfk sued them and won
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/rfk-hhs-stipulated-order-july-2018.pdf

>> No.15625986

>>15625969
Yeah, I love how his argument was: if it kills millions, think of the damage to the companies! He literally has no soul

>> No.15626000

>>15625986
yeah there's not a snowball's chance in hell the hepatitis c vaccine would be approved directly after birth if the companies were liable, maybe even vaccines before 1 years old if this study is accurate
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268563/

>> No.15626033

>>15625296
they literally lie about the lethality of covid in children, and mumbling unfounded speculations like long covid

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if vaccines were safe then companies like pfizer wouldn't need to bribe the news media to prevent them from reporting on the negative consequences of the vaccines

>> No.15627077

>>15625969
Can you reference the document without relying on RFK Jr.'s personal blog, please.

To be frank, I have not found any website that would have shown RFK Jr. actually winning the case other than numerous grifter sites with dubious names. And knowing that all these sites are ultimately operated by the same guys makes me doubt even more. If he has won this case, some .gov site should have records of that plaintiff.

>> No.15627168

>>15627077
>Case 1:18-cv-03215-JMF
he won because they had to admit they have never done it

>> No.15627195

>>15627077
>>15627168
get fucked retard

>> No.15627238

>>15627168
>>15627195
>than those vaccines that were on the market on December 22, 1987.
>the Secretary shall prepare and transmit to the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives and the Committe... describing theactions taken pursuant to subseciton (a), e.g. developing safer vaccines.

In short, RFK Jr. has proven that the secretary failed to submit reports to the Committee of Energy and Commerce and the Committee of Labor and Human Resources of the Senate. I'm not a lawyer but this doesn't really look like a win to me. He has shown that such reports were not send to committees that have little to nothing to do with vaccines in the first place but I might be wrong. And it has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine safety that basically every site which hosts the document claims it to be about. So it's misleading and not really impressing.

>> No.15627252

>>15627238
>So it's misleading and not really impressing.
And the fact that it is being deliberately presented in a way so as to misled potential readers, usually some anti-vax nuts, shows the lack of integrity on RFK Jr.'s part. This is the Nigeria prince scam all over again. Everyone who is smart enough to read such documents know that RFK Jr. is lying about any alleged legal victroy over vaccine injuries.

>> No.15627310

>>15627238
>In short, RFK Jr. has proven that the secretary failed to submit reports to the Committee of Energy and Commerce and the Committee of Labor and Human Resources of the Senate. I'
that was the entire lawsuit. By law hhs was supposed to submit a report to congress every 2 years about updated vaccine saftey and they have never done so. How are we supposed to take them seriously when they advocate for vaccines when they have never done the vaccine saftey research as mandated by the law?

>>15627252
> Everyone who is smart enough to read such documents know that RFK Jr. is lying about any alleged legal victroy over vaccine injuries.
>over vaccine injuries.
That was never the claim about the lawsuit so you are a liar.

>> No.15627331

>>15627310
>That was never the claim about the lawsuit so you are a liar.
That's how it is promoted on the sites where the document is hosted.
>How are we supposed to take them seriously when they advocate for vaccines when they have never done the vaccine saftey research as mandated by the law?
This has nothing to do with vaccine safety research. It has to do with notifying departments that have nothing to do with vaccines. Since this report doesn't even concern the FDA and related organs/universities which are responsible for vaccine safety in the first place, it seems just weird to me to count this as a win when RFK Jr. 'sues' the government over a technicality. Whether or not this could even be called suing is another issue since no legal consequences or settlements arise.

>> No.15627370

>>15621771
buy an ad faggot, and do it on pol

>> No.15627373

>>15627331
>That's how it is promoted on the sites where the document is hosted.
I dont care + your opinion. If you go to his website that is not what he is framing it as.

>This has nothing to do with vaccine safety research
It is literally about the government failing to do vaccine saftey research which was required by law. It's not a technically when the law says that you are supposed to do something and you don't do it. And by the way the FDA is an agency of the HHS see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Health_and_Human_Services

>Whether or not this could even be called suing is another issue since no legal consequences or settlements arise.
The point of lawsuits are to settle disputes. If you read "WHEREAS, ICAN believes the foregoing response from HHS now resolves all claims asserted in this action;" the dispute was settled.

>> No.15627538

>>15625928
>Double-blinded randomized placebo-controlled trials aren't done because you're not supposed to do that
vaxxers unironically say this btw because "it would be unethical to withhold potentially life-saving interventions"
I legitimately do not understand how these people operate, please help it make sense

>> No.15627861

>>15627538
1. They are genuinely and utterly terrified of covid
2. A vaccine is developed and they hear "safe and effective"
3. This gives them the hope they so desperately needed
4. They don't want to hear any indications that the vaccine is useless because then their hope is gone

>> No.15628028

>>15624887
Retard

>> No.15628203

>>15627538
>it would be unethical to withhold potentially life-saving interventions
I dont mind that if it was voluntary basis and done on limited trials, but being forced to vax without any evidence or studies is actually quite dangerous

>> No.15628229

>>15627861
>1. They are genuinely and utterly terrified of covid

Its artificial fear too. The media has prepped them into thinking 50% of people with covid will die or some shit. Its absurd.

>> No.15628485

>>15628229
Yes, artificially generated irrational fear. Rule #1 for population control.

>> No.15628490

>>15628485
>Artificial fear of the vaccine good

>> No.15628565

>>15624882
Evil regularly meets a the crossroads of incompetence and arrogance.

>> No.15628620

>>15625609
>millions must die

>> No.15631573

>>15628565
dumb people are more easily manipulated into doing the synagogue of satan's bidding

>> No.15631602
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15631602

>>15621774
>Excess death rates still going in 2023 relative to 2019 in almost every jurisdiction that keeps track
>Hundreds of thousands of people still injured
>Hundreds of thousands killed, but counted as cardiovascular deaths with no particular cause
>Growing body of leaks and documents showing corruption and negligence in safety and efficacy of mRNA program development

We'll talk about it until the stakeholders and promulgators of the mRNA injection program are swinging from street lamps.

>> No.15631613

>>15627373
>It is literally about the government failing to do vaccine saftey research which was required by law
No, it doesn't have to do with vaccine safety research but with notifying two departments about safety research related to vaccines that were in use as of 1987. In other words, proving that an agency has failed to submit documents is not proving that another agency has failed to do the safety research.

>> No.15631933

>>15631613
the hhs is an umbrella agency. Everything health related in the government falls under the hhs. If the fda submitted the documents then that would fall under the hhs. Just admit you are wrong.

>> No.15631977

>>15631933
>the hhs is an umbrella agency.
I'm aware but the failure to notify does not equate to a failure of safety protocols. And frankly, if Bobby gets a big throbbing erection over that issue that he found something wrong with the government, then this speaks against rather than for him. Never mind that this legal document is still presented in a very misleading way on his website though I found the google query to be useful to identify all the websites linked and owned by bobby.

>> No.15632003

>>15631977
> the failure to notify does not equate to a failure of safety protocols.
aka no proof that saftey protocols required by law were done

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>>15631602
Dead vaxxxies are good, using CNN & NPR to trick low IQs into an heroing themselves to death is good.

>> No.15633248

>>15633174
Has this to do with science or is it your ass being angry at random people.

>> No.15633367

https://youtu.be/F-AQQ9ETOj8

>> No.15634158

>>15633248
you were easily manipulated into volunteering to take a deadly injection, you completely disregarded all of the warnings coming from those who knew what was going on and tried to help you and now you will pay the ultimate price for your mistake. should've trusted /pol/ instead of the satanic scientists, /pol/ is never wrong