[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/sci/ - Science & Math

View post   
File: 70 KB, 1000x668, IMG_0535.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591512 No.15591512 [Reply] [Original]

If nothingness is not possible (established scientific and philosophical fact)
Then everything must be possible

>> No.15591513

that makes no logical sense

>> No.15591535

>>15591512
The opposite of a true statement isn't always false and vice versa.

>> No.15591573

>>15591512
Why exactly is nothingness not possible? With the knowledge that the universe is finite, what exists outside of the finitude of reality? Nothingness

>> No.15591577

>>15591573
>the universe is finite
beta cuck redditard mindset

>> No.15591594

>>15591512
Welcome to reality

Neither nothingness
Nor everything
Are possible.

>> No.15591595
File: 15 KB, 440x531, main-qimg-fdbb5606319f687f1e82574253fe2b1f.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591595

>>15591573
Beyond the finite is the Infinite, aka God, not nothingness. Nothingness, aka zero, is what the finite springs out of as a result of the Infinite. Zero ceases to exist as soon as Reality(the real numbers) come into existence, but infinity persists eternally.

>> No.15591632

>>15591595
Why is zero considered finite when it doesn't exist beyond being a mathematical concept?

>> No.15591644

Does this mean Anime is real?

>> No.15591659

>>15591573
as the universe is a closed system, we can make absolutely no assumptions whatsoever about what lies beyond its bounds. We simply can not know, and there's no reason to assume it poofed in to existence out of nothing just because of that.

>> No.15591688

>>15591513
The bottom line is: there is no such thing as nothing, since there is demonstrably something. Draw any conclusions from this that you will.

>> No.15591698

>>15591573
>Why exactly is nothingness not possible?
Imagine being a nothing.

>> No.15591714

>>15591688
If everything is possible, then the scenario where there is nothing is should also be possible. Otherwise, you can't say everything is possible.

>> No.15591727

>>15591632
good point
zero stands for nothing
i.e. it cannot stand for anything that can be represented in real terms
zero is make-believe
as long as you exist, there is no zero
the world must exist
because it must
because you do

>> No.15591745

>>15591512
>nothingness
Stupid term promoted by people who said that nothing exploded into everything, but then nothing is now something, so they had to create a new term for nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlTsWFYBIM

>> No.15591752
File: 129 KB, 1236x814, mmp.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591752

the nothingness and the infinite are in fact, two sides of the same coin.
The infinite nothingness is the true primitive of set theory and the polynumbers.
With nothingness, its precision is perfect, what margin of error could exist on nothingness, no matter how many 0.0... you go down you know your at 0.
With the infinite, there is no precision, how could one begin to fathom where it is in the number field, no matter how many digits you traverse, you will always get a bigger number.

This, is the root of the MMP number system, and the bridge between real and made up numbers, to clearly separate and differentiate between them. Bet on MMP if you think how numbers commensurate together has something fundementally to do with harmonics and maximizing the harmonic overtone series with ratios of harmonic commensurability

>> No.15591772

>>15591632
Zero is not finite. There's zero, meaning primordial nothingness. There's the real numbers, meaning the finite reality. And Infinity, meaning that which is beyond the finite reality, the ever-present existence.
Zero itself is not part of the finite. It is beneath it, just as Infinity is beyond it. Infinity and Zero are just the extreme opposites of each other.

>> No.15591785
File: 18 KB, 532x145, 1672025917751014.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591785

>>15591772
well said

>> No.15591793
File: 263 KB, 850x850, fractal omnipepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591793

>>15591512
>>15591573
>>15591595
Read what Jung wrote about the Pleroma

God's fingerprints are all over the place, only visible to those who have achieved gnosis through direct metaphysical insight

>> No.15591804

>>15591577
>the universe is infinite
beta cuck redditard mindset

>> No.15591807
File: 218 KB, 560x506, God is all.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
15591807

>>15591659
>>15591573
Your whole base assumption is wrong, friend; Refer to pic rel

>> No.15592127

>>15591727
If zero is make believe, then so is infinity.

>>15591772
According to mathematicians, zero is finite.

>> No.15592140

>>15591714
Everything does not include nothing as a thing. All things existing discludes nothing since it isn't a thing. Parmenides and Einstein were right.

>> No.15592217

>>15591512
with that logic only everything that has happened is possible
lurkmoar.png

>> No.15592328

>>15592140
How can everything exist if there's nothing to compare everything to? It's like saying there's up but no bottom.

>> No.15592488

>>15591512
Because we are bound to this dimension, says nothing about higher dimensions.

>> No.15592599

>>15592127
>zero is finite.
You can think of Inifinity and zero as reciprocals. If infinity is an endlessly large quantity, zero is an endlessly small quantity. An endlessly large quantity is the same thing as saying it's infinite. And an endlessly small quantity is the same as saying it's nothing. or Zero. Infinity is the "most" existent, and zero is the "least" existent (or the inexistant). Finite things have a defined magnitude and direction. Both zero and infinity have neither a defined magnitude nor direction. So you can say 'move two feet in the positive direction'. but if you say 'move zero feet in the positive direction'. That is the same as saying nothing. Hencewhy there is also no +0 or -0 like the finite numbers.

>>15591659
Correct, only infinity can explain existence. >>15591595 >>15591772

>> No.15592620

>>15591512
>If nothingness is not possible
In English, the term "nothing" means "NOT anything", it is not referring to something even though it is used as a pronoun.

For example, "this thread contributes nothing" does not mean that this thread contributes something and that something is called nothing. It means there is not any thing contributed.

You're welcome, and good luck on your ESL journey!

>> No.15592624

>>15592599
>If infinity is an endlessly large quantity
Infinity is not a large quantity. That would imply finitude. Transfinites cannot be used in arithmetic in that way.

>> No.15592634

>>15592624
It's a metaphor for explaining the concept using limits. Zero isn't endlessly small either. It's inexistance. But it serves for a good explanation to someone who doesn't get it.

>> No.15592645

>>15592634
>But it serves for a good explanation to someone who doesn't get it.
I doubt they'd get either metaphor, and frankly it isn't a good one because zero does not have similarities to infinity. Not only that, arithmetic operations on them are not even allowed in the same way.

It's just a confused statement altogether.

>> No.15593472

>>15592328
That's a fallacy of symmetry/balance to assume that everything existing must also entail an opposite nothingness. Humans like symmetry, so we like to think that everything has opposites, but this isn't the case in nature. Nothing by definition cannot exist, even in a universe where everything exists. Things are relative to each other and the space-time they occupy. This relationship means even void is 'something' since it is relative to things that reside within it. There is no nothing and it's impossible for nothing to exist in a universe of everything, as funny as that may sound.