The reason there is no progress in physics is because it costs a lot of money, most money is sent to defense contractors and they can't release anything to the public because of the "national security" so significant scientific breakthroughs are kept secret.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 20 20:58:13 2023 No.15576347 [Reply] [Original]

The reason there is no progress in physics is because it costs a lot of money, most money is sent to defense contractors and they can't release anything to the public because of the "national security" so significant scientific breakthroughs are kept secret.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:02:55 2023 No.15576358
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>>15576347
We know there's few breakthroughs (on the sort of scale like when humanity first split the atom) in those places too. What's needed is more fundamental physics research. But particle physics seems to have hit a brick wall.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:09:08 2023 No.15576380 >>15576347 Rip material research

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 21:26:32 2023 No.15576450 >>15576347 >The reason there is no progress in physics is because… …scientists are low iq atheists. the scientific method was developed exclusively by and for christians, others cannot do science.

Anonymous Thu Jul 20 23:04:52 2023 No.15576703

>>15576347
>>15576358
there was an anon on this board that had an interesting conspiracy about fundamental physics. the theory was basically: Louis Witten, general relativity expert and father of Edward Witten, was involved in antigravity research in the 50s-70s which was funded by the US defense administrations. (that’s true) his son Edward was initially uninterested in physics and math, but was known to be a genius. he had no prior education in physics or advanced math. suddenly Ed changed his mind and was expediently admitted to Princeton and quickly became the student of David Gross and went on to become the leader of String Theory in the 80s. the conspiracy theory is that Louis Witten’s antigravity group actually made some discoveries, and Edward was recruited to push fundamental physics in an unrelated direction so as to keep anyone from finding out what they discovered and on an unproductive path. add to this that Louis’ wife and Edward’s mother is completely disappeared from any sources (not even a newspaper obituary even) and it all is very suggestive

i don’t believe this theory but I thought I’d mention it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 20 23:22:44 2023 No.15576731 >>15576347 the actual reason is because too many physicists cling on to the myth of muh free will which prevents them from considering any sensible completion of qm.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:02:17 2023 No.15576800 >>15576703 Interesting conspiracy theory. Although he was clearly deserving of it in retrospect, I always thought it was messed up how easily Witten got to start at the top of the game as a phd student.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:05:39 2023 No.15576806 >>15576800 >I always thought it was messed up how easily Witten got to start at the top of the game as a phd student. jewish nepotism is commonplace.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:23:52 2023 No.15576837 >>15576347 the age of physics is over, the age of biology has begun, we're just fucking shit at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 00:24:53 2023 No.15576839 >>15576703 >antigravity yes coming back from the other side of the event horizon of a black hole.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 05:34:42 2023 No.15577294

>>15576347
>The reason there is no progress in physics is because it costs a lot of money
No, it's because our smartest physicists are pushed to do research in bullshit non applied stuff like string theory, if we had them all do solid state physics research we would rule the world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 05:46:51 2023 No.15577307 >>15576347 There's more funding for physics than ever before in human history. Physics also gets a disproportionate amount of public funding despite poor results.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 05:57:29 2023 No.15577316

>>15576358
>What's needed is more fundamental physics research. But particle physics seems to have hit a brick wall.
No, the opposite, especially in the US we piss billions away on these retarded dead end string theories and other bloated theoretical fields that have little to no oversight. They managed to accrue MORE public funding than astronomy, computer science and engineering combined. Yet the last decade saw massive leaps in AI and actual cool physics like astronomy while retards in ST are still doing stupid symbolic computations on toy models and jerking each other off.

It's a citation gang that's good at capturing review boards of public funding agencies, but very little else. That's part of the reason why Europe managed to build the LHC and make the only actual progress in theoretical physics in the last decade while the US only has a few peashooter accelerators to this day.

The public funding pool to theoretical physics should be cut by about 95%, 50% of that should go to pure and applied math, the rest to tech/engineering and applied physics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:09:51 2023 No.15577326 More funding to gender studies!

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:14:52 2023 No.15577336

>>15576450
This is true and it's frustrating to pretend otherwise. All the atheistic euphoria fags in my department are lazy wastes of public funding and don't truly understand science and are stuck in single digit h-indexes. They just want to be called physicists, they don't actually want to do physics and don't even understand what natural philosophy really means (some of them haven't even heard of the term!). They get no, or shit, publications. They have no unique ideas, mostly they just build on the paradigms of others without advancing it, doing the bare minimum to graduate or keep their adjunct position.

After my last nature publication at the special seminar the Professor ordered the others asked me what motivates me and the fuckwits actually thought I was joking when I said I want to understand the nature of God. Only the Professor understood.

It should be illegal for non-Christians to get scientific positions. Deism should be the bare minimum passing criterion. Even Platonist and Gnostic heathens are ok. But if your soul is dry and void you have no place in Physics and no business even taking an interest in our discipline.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:16:03 2023 No.15577337 >>15576347 >we are not retarded we're just keeping the smart secret lel sontist contractor cope

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:16:24 2023 No.15577340 >>15576703 How did the conspiracy theorists miss the fact that all of that is just (((nepotism))) at work?

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 06:19:39 2023 No.15577343

>>15576800
>he was clearly deserving of it in retrospect
How so? What has he actually accomplished other than "reviving string theory" and getting a generation of wasted minds into the field which has produced nothing of value to others?

The field is still stuck on fucking toy models which get BTFO by every LHC data release to this day.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:24:51 2023 No.15577424

>>15576703
first, you are controlled opposition. also you can be sure witten had mastered physics before the age of eighteen. the truth is the fruit borne of the antigravity conferences was the result of reverse engineering crashed ufos; specifically constants and formulas extracted from solid-state components. other details, such as features of the universe, were filled in by actual aliens in exchange for food and water. where do you think this https://youtu.be/GL77oOnrPzY?t=1336 came from?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:26:17 2023 No.15577430 >>15576347 Based knower. The glowies have alternate physics and mathematics

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:31:50 2023 No.15577442 >>15577326 It can be a fruitful topic if done properly

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:32:53 2023 No.15577445 >>15577430 Peak american arrogance. If glowies have it russians and chinks have it too and it would be applied for gaining an advantage

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:34:26 2023 No.15577450 >>15577442 Explane

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:34:34 2023 No.15577451 >>15577445 You think it isn't? The B-2 Spirit was well known for having some sort of electromagnetic apparatus to increase lift.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:37:17 2023 No.15577460 >>15577451 Whatever they have it's pretty fucking useless since they still fear soviet icbms

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:37:59 2023 No.15577461 >>15577445 Sure thing agent smith

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:38:44 2023 No.15577463 >>15577461 I'm agent chang. We kow you have nothing laowai

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:41:19 2023 No.15577471 >>15577450 You can optimise society based on gender. For example gender specific educatuon. For that you need to study gender differences

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:43:51 2023 No.15577477 >>15577471 Right, yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 21 07:44:54 2023 No.15577479 File: 108 KB, 1080x1080, 0Mc7NpQwIuSVvcI1EbWkK9bWtqCInHqQthaTBr3qvqyHPqsQf8C61TyBSVXaEcI_-PIO2XgJFqSJGFMD7IK4-mVn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15577463 Glory be to chairman xi this litle one spoke out of line

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 08:27:07 2023 No.15577521
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>>15576347
It's because it's completely fake and gay and all the technology is developed in secret, tightly controlle and released under various fake narratives (aliens next one)

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:30:13 2023 No.15578177

>>15577343
If you are actually asking me, he revived and improved on the Skyrmion idea which is the best pencil and paper approach we have towards nuclear physics. He came up with the correct explanation for why the eta prime meson is much heavier than true goldstone bosons, and a quantitative formula for its mass. He worked on Chern-Simons theories which underly the quantum hall effect in condensed matter. He came up with Wess-Zumino-Witten models which are fundamental to the study of 2D conformal field theory which have applications in statistical physics. He also did things like invent supersymmetric quantum mechanics which is applied even in fields outside of physics through its connection with stochastic path integrals. Here I am only talking about things that have some experimental connection.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 17:38:42 2023 No.15578188

>>15577521
>you can't replicate a small scale orbit
https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/sept-14-1966-gemini-xi-artificial-gravity-experiment/
At least research the topic a little before spouting your inane conspiracy theories. You're making the rest of us respectable conspiracy theorists look bad, although I'm sure that is your intention, you fucking glowie plant.

Anonymous Fri Jul 21 23:52:27 2023 No.15578736

>>15578177
nice list anon, good post. this is all early witten right? could you give the paper dates (or titles so i can look them up on inspire)?

what’s sad is that he’s only now remembered for his meme shit like calabi-yau compact of ovations and M-theory and his follow-up paper on Maldacena’s (until then overlooked) paper. even the positive energy theorem stuff and supersymmetry breaking and gravitational anomalies are more well known than the stuff you listed; in other words the only things he is remembered for now are pure theory with no experimental relevance. but good to recap that he did make some real physics contributions too

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 00:02:29 2023 No.15578747 >>15576347 Scientific breakthroughs always trickle out into the consumer market. Theres way too much money to be made.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:44:50 2023 No.15579636

>>15578177
So, hype aside, no accomplishments other than toy models built on old ideas?

Sorry, but this doesn't justify the fact that the next Newton or Leibniz could've lost their spot to him. He's productive and good at getting famous, I'm the first to admit that. But other than building the biggest citation eco chamber in human history I don't see his name surviving the century.

Considering many of the most important SUSY theories have already gotten BTFO by LHC data I'm also fairly certain this whole period in theoretical physics will be viewed as a massive waste where an entire generation of otherwise intelligent physicists were cowed into applying baby intro topology ideas to try and make models fit the math instead of using math to fit models on data.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:49:48 2023 No.15579643

>>15576347
>The reason there is no progress in physics
Why should there be "progress in physics"? Basically everything has already been figured out. Certainly nearly everything that's relevant on earth. inb4 muh black holes and other bullshit that is too far away from earth to matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:51:29 2023 No.15579646 >>15577336 >thought I was joking when I said I want to understand the nature of God cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:52:49 2023 No.15579649 >>15579643 Antigravity would be cool to solve here on earth desu There's no real proof that's impossible under current theories, yet it recieves no funding.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 09:58:23 2023 No.15579657 >>15579649 You're presuming antigravity is a real problem to solve in the first place. What is your reasoning for thinking it could be real? Too much science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 10:12:14 2023 No.15579672 >>15579643 >Basically everything has already been figured out hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 11:10:56 2023 No.15579747 >>15579657 Do you have any reason to believe it's not? SUSY actually predicts anti-gravitons (and mathematically requires it). Even without that GR shows as that at the very least gravitational wave shielding should be possible even if anti-gravity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 14:41:54 2023 No.15579928 >>15579747 If you want to burn public money on speculative bullshit, you should have better reasoning than this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:01:40 2023 No.15580011 >>15579747 >what implications? so will rich people be able to go visit a black hole singularity up close?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:13:49 2023 No.15580033 File: 439 KB, 1080x1836, average space enjoyer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15578188 >research >nasa.gov A wild science golem appears.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:29:03 2023 No.15580046 Imagine if defence contractors starting selling F-16's publicly >:D

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 16:50:44 2023 No.15580064 >>15580046 Nobody would buy them except governments?

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 17:34:51 2023 No.15580104

>>15578736
>Witten-Veneziano formula
Nucl.Phys. B156 (1979) 269
>SUSY QM
Nuclear Physics B185 (1981) 513
>Skyrme model
Nucl. Phys. B223 (1983) 433
Nuclear Physics B223 (1983) 422
Nuclear Physics B228 (1983) 552
>Non-Abelian bosonization and WZW model
Commun. Math. Phys. 92, 455-472 (1984)
>Chern-Simons
Commun. Math. Phys. 121, 351-399 (1989)
>Chern-Simons is a string theory (bonus)
arXiv:hep-th/9207094 (1992)
>Early AdS/CFT (bonus)
arXiv:hep-th/9802150 (1998)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:17:51 2023 No.15580376 >>15576347 losts of great research is still being funded thanks to defence spending especially in the states

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:30:56 2023 No.15580402
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>>15577316
>That's part of the reason why Europe managed to build the LHC and make the only actual progress in theoretical physics in the last decade while the US only has a few peashooter accelerators to this day.
Congress would only fund either the Texas Superconducting Super Collider or the International Space Station. President Clinton was allowed to choose and being a good campaigner, he knew space was far more popular with the public than a super collider.

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 20:55:52 2023 No.15580442
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>>15580402
both were worthless boondoggles. cern's total lack of meaningful or useful results proves that.
spending money on soience is a total waste unless it has some useful goal in mind. jwst will also produce nothing of any benefit, just more replication crisis garbage.
imagine if all that money had been spend on something decent instead of stupidly squandered

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 22 22:18:17 2023 No.15580576 itt: cope

Anonymous Sat Jul 22 23:54:59 2023 No.15580704

>>15580104
thank you very much anon. the 81/83 papers are great early Witten that i need to go back and actually read. the Skyrmion stuff is actually something i never paid attention to so i appreciate it, especially since in my field there has been some buzz about Odderons (and Pomerons etc) which i had trouble finding good papers on so this is nice

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 00:00:57 2023 No.15580716

>>15580442
>cern's total lack of meaningful or useful results
Higgs is not meaningful to you? Yukawa couplings measured to high accuracy explaining the origin of all particles’ mass… not meaningful?

that accompanied by lots of new results on new QCD states (tetraquarks, pentaquarks, QGP, etc) as well as much better results on parton distribution functions, top quark and b-quark physics, heavy ion physics…

do you know anything about particle physics or are you just parroting some Sabine shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 23 00:14:27 2023 No.15580728 >>15580716 >b-b-but muh gigaquarks tho all worthless and useless cringey schizophasiac rant btw

Anonymous Sun Jul 23 00:27:34 2023 No.15580743

>>15580728
i bet you back when the Periodic Table came out, there were idiots like you saying “oh all the elements you need stop at Argon. people worrying about Palladium and Rhodium are fucking stupid theorists and their research is totally useless”

many such cases. just wait until 2450 when everybody’s laptop is powered by an island-of-stability battery or a heptaquark power cell

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