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15552306 No.15552306 [Reply] [Original]

>everyone is afraid of dying at some point or another
>instead of putting majority of effort into finding ways to extend human life it goes into things like military and infrastructure
Am I missing something? Wouldn't knowing that your time is limited make everyone WANT to extend their life, rather than trying not to think about it?

>> No.15552374

>>15552306
you're not missing anything except that most people don't think in terms like that
>extend life? science too hard for me :(
>kill people? nice gun go boom :DDD

>> No.15552382

>>15552306
You need military and infrastructure not to die or get killed, dear 14 year old zoom zoom. Good luck extending your life without sanitation and food on your table. Also global rule 2.

>> No.15552386

>>15552306
>spend 60 years suffering without infrastructure or military
>the guys with infra and military come and kill you and take your stuff

>> No.15552404

>>15552306
>developing technology without infrastructure

>> No.15552412

>>15552306
Is immortality research peak dunning-krueger r/atheism fedora wearing 23 year old undergraduate?

>> No.15552421
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>>15552412
No, but a lot of its fans are

>> No.15552434

Because you're basically doing the opposite of what you should be doing, what you must do eventually, which is acceptance. Do you think immortality is around the corner in a world that can't even treat autoimmune except for "more steroids but not too many or you'll die" and can't even heal a break without lifelong disability unless its perfectly clean? Do you even have any idea where medical science is at right now? Are you banking on the singularity or some other untenable event?

>> No.15552520

>>15552306
the only lives you will be working to extend is exactly the billionaires ones. you can't seriously imagine that will happen with everyone. that might never be accessible to plebs.
once robots start seriously replacing people they won't need so many people, provided the robots + AI really can replace just about anyone.
clearly we won't get to the point where there's immortality available, humans have mostly been replaced by robots AND there's 8 billion people. in the end there's going to be a pretty select group of people who'll benefit from that tech.

>> No.15552535

>>15552306
It's just deathism, OP.
https://nickbostrom.com/fable/dragon

>> No.15552601

>>15552382
Thank God for the US military for putting food on my table.

>> No.15552604

>>15552601
Your cheap exotic produce is courtesy of CIA-backed death squads

>> No.15552607

>>15552604
No its not, I grow my own produce. The US military is great for manufacturing pesticides to spray on people and food to kill us faster though.

>> No.15552613

>>15552306
Most people are apes that actually *want* you and your family to die horribly suffering arthritis, dementia, parkinsons, atherosclerosis, etc. They also back down when confronted (because they're retarded apes) but you share the planet with moral monsters.

>> No.15552617

>>15552607
Based. Lawns are for cucks and faggots.

>> No.15552695

>>15552434
This. Medical technology is barely past the leeches and mercury stage when it comes to most of the worst illnesses.

>> No.15552714

>>15552306
>Am I missing something? Wouldn't knowing that your time is limited make everyone WANT to extend their life, rather than trying not to think about it?
Life is cyclical and reincarnation is not just real but inevitable (without retention of memory though), death sucks but it isn't the worst thing

>> No.15552739

>>15552306
>you stupid science bitches couldn't even make I more immortal

>> No.15552752

You're missing the realization that "research" isn't a magical bar in your videogame fueled by money. It's an incremental process and the end result may well turn out to be impossible.

>> No.15552779

>>15552601
You just, but you're far more right than you know.

>> No.15553008

>>15552714
yes it is, I don't want to be other losers, I will find a way to stop this

>> No.15553028

>>15553008
based and livingpilled

>> No.15553263
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15553263

>>15552306
This feels like a "be careful what you wish for"

There are plenty of animals and organisms that can live longer than humans, but the question is do they really want to? After several hundred years on the Earth, what is left for them to do? Just sit and soak in the sun every day while humans idly walk by? It's not necessarily a scientific question but a philosophical one.

>> No.15553288

>>15553263
Philosophically Parkinsons and arthritis suck. Curing all the worst diseases just doubles human lifespan and removes the single greatest source of human suffering in the modern world.

>> No.15553329

>>15552520
This is implausible. How do you think medical teams will extend rich people's lives but not their own?

>> No.15553354

>>15552613
do they really? why would they want that?

>> No.15553397

>>15553288
>Curing all the worst diseases just doubles human lifespan and removes the single greatest source of human suffering in the modern world.
Aging isn't a disease and it isn't related to diseases except by correlation. Even if you cured all those degenerative diseases it wouldn't raise the quality of life of someone who's 100.

>> No.15553452

>>15552601
The US military is very much putting American food on American tables.

Probably filtering.

>> No.15553604

>>15553397
>Aging isn't a disease and it isn't related to diseases except by correlation. Even if you cured all those degenerative diseases it wouldn't raise the quality of life of someone who's 100.
Both of those statements are false and their insinuation morally reprehensible.
>Hmmm, does cancer and genetic damage change my quality of life or lifespan?

>> No.15553720

>>15553452
How?

>> No.15553799 [DELETED] 

>>15553604
Even if you could totally cure cancer and "genetic damage" (whatever you think that is), you would still get old. The human body isn't designed to live past 100. Aging is part of your DNA.

>> No.15553811

>>15553329
The same way they do now, lot of doctors let alone their support staff couldn't afford the treatments they perform.

>> No.15554346

>>15553263
>>15553397
This is Deathism. You don't even believe that.

>> No.15554528

>>15554346
Trannyhumanists are delusional.

>> No.15555162

>>15554528
Deathists are delusional, and would hold the exact same discourse whether the natural human lifespan was 50 years or 200.
All the while begging the doctor to give their decrepit parents just a few more weeks to live.

>> No.15555164 [DELETED] 

>>15555162
Trying to extract money from the elderly by keeping them barely-alive in torturous pain, all for the sake of "life extension," is one of the most evil things the medical community does.

>> No.15555165

>>15555164
Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing transhumanists actually want to eliminate.
Read:
>>15552535

>> No.15555171

>>15555164
By the way, no matter what you say now, either you or your parents will be clinging to the doctor like crack addicts once the end approaches.

>No, my parents are reasonable people and would prefer to go quickly.
>No, I'll stick to my principles and request euthanasia!
hubris
https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/07/17/who-by-very-slow-decay/

>> No.15555246

>>15555162
you're going to die

>> No.15555252

>>15555246
Every human is gonna die at one point, statistically, even if we cure aging tomorrow.

>> No.15555256

>>15552306
I’m not afraid of dying

>> No.15555265

>>15553811
And what happens to those treatments over time? They become cheaper.

>> No.15555276

>>15553720
America explicitly engaged in imperialism for agricultural interests during the banana wars of the early 20th century. The predominance of the US military led to the dollar as global reserve currency, enabling both relatively low interest rates and low inflation for decades. The US Navy secured international trade facilitating cheap goods, though at the cost of deindustrializing the heartland.

Military industrial complex spending has also led to a number of useful technologies for the public, like the internet, GPS, satellites. There's also a lot of corruption that goes along with that.

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>>15552306
>>everyone is afraid of dying at some point or another
Not NDErs because they've seen that death leads to paradise.
>Am I missing something?
Yes, the vast literature on NDEs which have already proven that there is an afterlife.

And NDEs are more real than this world, in every way. For example, they are more consistent experiences, illustrated well by this quote:

>"For me, life is sort of like the haunted house. ... You're eternal, you have billions of lives, so knowing that you're going to come in just for one to have an experience, though it may be judged as tough, or difficult, or scary, you actually chose it because you knew it was just going to be an experience, you know it's no big deal. You understand on the other side that this part, life, is actually the dream, and you just wake up after. It's no different than one dream you had last night, out of a lifetime of dreams. This life that you're having right now is just one, it's just a blip."

So just like life is more consistent than our dreams (dreams last a few moments, life has been the same for decades), so too is the NDE reality more consistent than life (life has been the same for decades, the NDE reality has been the same for forever, for way more than trillions of years). Here this point is elaborated more on:

https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o

And it is instantly evident to NDErs that heaven is real too, even atheists:

>"It's real to us when we're in it, but once I was there in heaven I realized that's more real, that felt more real, and it made much more sense to me than anything here. This is kind of nonsensical at times. In heaven, it's so clear, so real, so rational, so logical, but yet emotional and loving at the same time. Immediately I knew that was real and this was not. Immediately."

From https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist

So heaven is undeniably real.

>> No.15555295

>>15554346
>>15555162
>deathist
Oh good, the "rationalists" are with us.
I expect a high quality conversation with very few priors and next to no bias. We have all read The Sequences, right?

>> No.15555303

>>15552306
>tranny spam thread

>> No.15555309

>>15555303
>anything I don't like is a tranny
Read literature and never reproduce.

>> No.15555320

>>15552306
>realize that you will die
>avoid truth but eventually accept
>die relatively happy at 70

vs

>realize that you will die
>dedicate your life to medical science
>die anxiety ridden at 72

>> No.15555324

>>15553263
I'd like to do more work but in a different field. You only get maybe 20 years of peak productivity...it's kind of disappointing.

>> No.15555341

>>15552306
Medical research is too busy focusing on extending the lives of vegetables and people who nominally die on their 30s to extend the lives of normal, upstanding citizens.

>> No.15555390

>>15552434
Yes i am they cant even cure type 1 diabetes :(

>> No.15555391

>>15555320
"And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?" - Matthew 6:27

>> No.15555818

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