/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15548754]

Learn. The. Fucking. Difference.

[Anonymous No.15548755]

>>15548754
No one here's ever going to believe your propaganda, redditor. You're just going to keep getting mad while everyone laughs at you.

[Anonymous No.15548762]

>>15548755
He's joking about how retards think the summer being hot means human caused global warming.

[Anonymous No.15548764]

>>15548762
Even Harvard grads mostly have no idea how the solar system works and how it affects our weather
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un_VbXVefk

Aphelion was yesterday and nobody on /sci/ even noticed or mentioned it

[Sage No.15548940]

Everyone in this thread is retarded.

Sage

[age No.15548955]

>>15548940
but especially you

[Anonymous No.15548967]

>medieval warm period

[Anonymous No.15549358]

[Anonymous No.15549362]

>>15549358
yes but this time it's special, each heatwave is a special snowflake to be exploited by politics.

[Anonymous No.15549534]

>>15549358
>why yes, of course global temperature records have always been broken every year, why'd you ask?

[Anonymous No.15550125]

>>15549534
>surely the simpler and more likely explanation is that it's the apocalypse, not that taking temperature measurements in increasingly dense cities or on airport runways might lead to some teeny tiny measuring errors.

[Anonymous No.15550135]

diberal sniberals are sooooooo bluu pilled. i KNOW (cause i'm a based conservative) that global warming is a sniberal HOAX. this thread proves that, and i'm much more based because of it.

[Anonymous No.15550142]

>>15550135
>I think this type of post will work on conservatives because it would totally work on me

[Anonymous No.15550147]

>>15550142
i raise my MAGA to your diberal sniberalism. it's super effective and the illegitimate theory of climate change perishes

[Anonymous No.15550173]

One of the more idiotic posts I've seen on here in a while.

[Anonymous No.15550181]

>>15550147
Nothing about climate change concern is liberal. The point is to stop the climate from changing, which is literally conservative, and the solutions being proposed all involve an authoritarian merger of state and corporation, which is literally fascist.

[Anonymous No.15550217]

>>15549358
this isn't facebook granpa

[Anonymous No.15550219]

You're going on vacation next year in Alaska in December.

Do you:
Bring your bathing suit, beach towel and flip flops?
or:
Bring your warm winter coat and snow boots?

You're going on vacation next year in Florida in June.

Do you:

Bring your bathing suit, beach towel and flip flops?
or:
Bring your warm winter coat and snow shoes?

[Anonymous No.15550225]

>>15550219
You missed one of your reddit spaces

[Anonymous No.15550231]

do mericans not believe in climate change because they already live in a desert shithole? it's easily observable here in yurop where temperatures increased by 10 degrees since 2000s

[Anonymous No.15550249]

>>15550225
Answer the question faggot.

[Anonymous No.15550254]

>>15550249
I'm not dumb enough to vacation in AK in December winter or FL in June. What do you do?

[Anonymous No.15550261]

>>15550254
Refusing to answer the question is pretty good proof that you're afraid to be proven wrong that it's very simple to understand the difference between climate and weather and very easy to predict climate. Because you don't want to understand you're left looking stupid as you desperately try not to answer a simple question.

[Anonymous No.15550263]

>>15550231
There is actually some truth to that. Places closer to the equator are warming slower than more northern areas, so Europe is actually warming faster than most of the US.

[Anonymous No.15550265]

>>15550261
Answer the question faggot.

[Anonymous No.15550283]

>>15550231
We believe in climate freedom

[Anonymous No.15550303]

>>15548754
>plotting temperature for a single location and not global temperatures
Deniers are getting pretty desperate when warming is becoming too much to ignore

[Anonymous No.15550450]

Both sides ~should~ agree that temperatures are rising as we can literally measure it. The debate therefore should only be whether the rising temps are anthropogenic.

[Anonymous No.15550456]

>>15550303
Oh snap that data goes back 44 years? There's no way we wouldn't capture relevant macro trends in the climate of Earth, a 4.5 billion year old system.

[Anonymous No.15550469]

>>15550450
You literally can't measure it, bozo

[Anonymous No.15550479]

>>15550450
Thermometers are placed in the sun, near electric transformers, near ur mums vagina, near AC units... on purpose.
The digital ones' data is straight up manipulated systemically.

If you isolate the analog ones that are placed in historical locations, the data anomaly disappear in pure cohencidence.

[Anonymous No.15550503]

>>15550479
Proof?

[Anonymous No.15550534]

>>15550503
https://portal.unifiedpatents.com/patents/patent/US-10828015-B2

[Anonymous No.15550618]

>>15550469
Yes you can, from space even.

[Anonymous No.15550623]

>>15550618
Are you even old enough to post here?

[Anonymous No.15550675]

>>15550623
(You) Not an argument

[Anonymous No.15550700]

>>15550675
Are you even a human?

[Anonymous No.15550705]

[Anonymous No.15550727]

Am I remembering this wrong or did the "greenhouse effect" originally refer to a tipping point past which we'd go into a feedback loop where the warming began to accelerate until we ended up at 400F with a Venus atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.15550901]

>>15550727
You are remembering wrong

[Anonymous No.15550983]

>>15550901
How old are you? I'm talking about when I was first taught about it in junior high, which was ~15 years before the infamous Al Gore commercial.

[Anonymous No.15550993]

>>15550727
This was popular with the pre-Gore climate hysterics, yeah.

[Anonymous No.15551002]

>>15550983
The greenhouse effect has never referred to Earth suddenly becoming like Venus. You probably confused some statement about Venus being hot because of the greenhouse effect.

[Anonymous No.15551005]

>>15551002
Either way it's totally absurd since neither one of those things is true.

[Anonymous No.15551009]

>>15550993
Are you sure? If you'd said the same thing before I just posted >>15550983 I'd have been a lot more confident that you remembered it, too.

[Anonymous No.15551013]

>>15551009
If you look into Paul Ehrlich he's probably the guy who first started that whole myth in the 80s.

[Anonymous No.15551026]

>>15551002
I didn't say suddenly becoming like Venus. Putting stupid words in my mouth and criticizing your own stupid words makes your post no more credible than this one >>15550993

[Anonymous No.15551034]

>>15551013
I just told I was in junior high in the early 90s. You think I don't know about Ehrlich?

[Anonymous No.15551045]

>>15551005
Do you get off by being repeatedly humiliated with simple data?

[Anonymous No.15551067]

>>15551034
Well if you know about Ehrlich then you can google his doomsaying and find out you're completely right. He's the one who made that argument.

[Anonymous No.15551079]

>>15551067
>you can google his doomsaying and find out [...] He's the one who made that argument
I can't. ehrlich venus greenhouse gives nothing on the first 3 pages. Can you? Link?

[Anonymous No.15551087]

>>15551079
I could but it's a lot of work and I'm not on the clock. I just remember reading an interview he did years ago.

[Anonymous No.15551088]

>>15551045
Your image seems to show that a Big Trans Cock obliterates a BWC which obliterates a variety of BBC. Am I misreading the data?

[Anonymous No.15551097]

>>15551087
I already have the memory of what I'm asking about, I'm just wondering if it's real or not. You citing your own memory doesn't help me but thanks.

[Anonymous No.15551605]

>>15550534
>no reply
climate hysteric got completely shut down

[Anonymous No.15552065]

>>15550700
You're a shill clearly. NASA's Suomi NPP satellite has monitored global temperature changes, and there were satellites before that. The argument is not whether or not temps are rising, but whether the rise is anthropogenic.

[Anonymous No.15552517]

>>15552065
It is empirically observed and measured to be anthropogenic

[Anonymous No.15552531]

>>15552065
>>15552517
Global temperature isn't measured, it's modeled from local measurements. Fucking retarded summerfags.

[Anonymous No.15552546]

>>15552531
>Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.15552549]

>>15552546
I don't have to, I can measure your absolute retardation directly.

[Anonymous No.15552552]

>>15551026
Alright, if you want to be a pedantic little bitch about it then the greenhouse effect has never referred to Earth becoming like Venus over any timescale.

[Anonymous No.15552557]

>>15552549
I hope that sounded cooler in your head.

[Anonymous No.15552565]

>>15552557
>imagine
>in your head
Don't deal with reality that well, do you

[Anonymous No.15552576]

>>15552565
I hope that sounded cooler in your head too. I'm not entertained by cringe.

[Anonymous No.15552583]

>>15552517

[Anonymous No.15552585]

>>15548754
stop confusing me, I'm busy installing solar panels

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ

[Anonymous No.15552591]

>>15552576
>>15552576

[Anonymous No.15552592]

>>15552583
That's probably the most cherry picked metric I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.15552598]

>>15552552
I figured out the expression I was looking for, "runaway greenhouse effect." The science was less clear in the early 90s that it probably can't happen on Earth any time soon.

[Anonymous No.15552605]

>>15552598
A runaway greenhouse effect is very possible, and even likely, before the end of the century from warming turning various natural carbon stores into carbon sources, and this could make Earth uninhabitable by humans by the end of the next century, but the Earth is unlikely to become like Venus before the end of this millennia

[Anonymous No.15552608]

>>15552598
If it were capable of happening it would have already. But we already knew that.

[Anonymous No.15552620]

>>15552531
>nooao, compiling measurements is modelling not measuring

[Anonymous No.15552621]

>>15552605
I don't think that's true, or you're not using the standard terminology. Do you know of a newer exposition than for example https://doi.org/10.1098/rsta.2012.0004

[Anonymous No.15552624]

>>15550231
In the 2000s there were days with 40°C in Germany.

[Anonymous No.15552640]

>>15552531
>if I can’t see the earth’s curve it means it’s flat

[Anonymous No.15552643]

>>15552640
>if I can’t see
If you can't SEE the curve, you didn't observe it or measure it, fucking imbecile. This has nothing to do with whether the modeling is or isn't correct or useful.

[Anonymous No.15552646]

>>15552621
I don't care enough to pull that article up on scihub to circumvent the paywall, but from the abstract it seems that the are only considering the effect of CO2 at various concentrations on the climate and not considering more powerful greenhouse gasses that would be released from various carbon stores such as methane. It's pretty telling that they include altering the Earth's orbit as a "sustainable" solution to reverse a runaway warming event.

[Anonymous No.15552654]

>>15552643
I love how deniers are at the point of flat out saying basic observations are fake
Good stuff

[Anonymous No.15552658]

>>15552654
Bot.

[Anonymous No.15552666]

>>15552658
>Everyone I disagree with is a bot
Gotta love the classics

[Anonymous No.15552669]

>>15552646
Too large to upload the whole pdf but here's the first half. All you really need, though, is the first sentence, which defines the term.
>The ultimate climate emergency is a ‘runaway greenhouse’: a hot and water-vapour-rich atmosphere limits the emission of thermal radiation to space, causing runaway warming. Warming ceases only after the surface reaches approximately 1400K and emits radiation in the near-infrared, where water is not a good greenhouse gas.

[Anonymous No.15552674]

>>15552666
That's a bot quality post because it has nothing to do with what I said, not because I disagree. Illiterate fucking bot-ass imbecile.

[Anonymous No.15552678]

>>15552674
>How dare you disagree with me, you... you... you... BOT!
Take a few breaths, autist.

[Anonymous No.15552686]

>>15552678
Bot post.

[Anonymous No.15552694]

>>15552686
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot you're just retarded sometimes. Go cope somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.15552709]

>>15552694
Yet another bot post.

[Anonymous No.15552728]

>>15552669
I read that first half and I wouldn't put too much faith in that article. Their definition of what constitutes a "runaway greenhouse effect" is dependent on the end point being Venus-like conditions where the oceans have boiled away and their conclusion entirely based on a physical model that implies that level of warming will be inhibited by the outgoing flux reaching an equilibrium. I assure you that equilibrium will be deadly to humans. You should look into topics like methane clathrates and carbon stored in permafrost. Once we've caused enough heating for a large store of carbon to be released we will experience uncontrolled climate change that we can do nothing about and that will not cease until Earth is unlivable for humans. Personally, I'd consider that a "runaway greenhouse effect".

[Anonymous No.15552732]

>>15552728
>You should look into topics like methane clathrates and carbon stored in permafrost. Once we've caused enough heating for a large store of carbon to be released we will experience uncontrolled climate change that we can do nothing about and that will not cease until Earth is unlivable for humans. Personally, I'd consider that a "runaway greenhouse effect".
This definitely happened during the Medieval Warm Period after 10 degrees of warming above modern temperatures, which is why we're all dead.

[Anonymous No.15552734]

>>15552709
If you think everyone is a bot then why don't you leave? If everyone were a bot then you'd have more productive conversations with yourself in the mirror.

[Anonymous No.15552737]

>>15552732
The medieval warm period was a local phenomenon, not a global one. You should get new material.

[Anonymous No.15552740]

>>15552737
Anthropogenic Climate Chaos is a local phenomenon, not a global one. You should get new material.

[Anonymous No.15552744]

>>15552740
By definition and measurement it is a global phenomenon. Try harder or troll better.

[Anonymous No.15552748]

>>15552728
>Their definition of what constitutes a "runaway greenhouse effect" is dependent on the end point being Venus-like conditions
It's not their definition, it's the definition. (Or it was all through the last century and up to at least 2012.) I think you're just using your own idiosycratic definition for what you think it should mean.

[Anonymous No.15552747]

>>15552737
By definition and measurement it is a global phenomenon. Try harder or troll better.

[Anonymous No.15552750]

>>15552748
He seems to have a lot of unresolved issues, and he's using climate change doomerism to comfort himself. Many such cases among climate cultists.

[Anonymous No.15552756]

>>15552734
>everyone is a bot
Only you. You keep posting canned replies about some "denier" horseshit that never happened. Total bot behaviour.

[Anonymous No.15552769]

>>15552728
>We will experience uncontrolled climate change
I'm so glad we can control the change in climate, now. I couldn't imagine if the oceans stopped absorbing carbon at the rate we need them too. Combined with extra carbon being released into the atmosphere from permafrost, or even fires. If the oceans slowed their carbon absorbtion that would mean even more would just kinda hang out in the atmosphere. More heat gets trapped.

[Anonymous No.15552780]

>>15552748
I looked it up and you are correct that the term is associated with an endpoint that prohibits the formation of liquid water on the surface, but that's pretty arbitrary and irrelevant to human life, which would have died off long before anyone could watch the oceans boil. "Runaway greenhouse effect" is much more concise than "positive feedback loops of greenhouse gasses released from natural carbon sinks that result in the extinction of man" and so I wouldn't be surprised if most people using the term colloquially mean that instead. Who cares if there's still liquid water on Earth when everyone on it has died?

[Anonymous No.15552789]

>>15552756
No, I've just been making fun of you for insisting anyone who argues with you is a bot. You should ask your doctor to recommend you a good therapist.

[Anonymous No.15552798]

>>15552780
It's not my field and I don't really have anything useful to say about it. I was just trying to piece a memory back together. Thanks for taking the time to look into it.

[Anonymous No.15552800]

>>15552769
We have the ability to influence the climate, and we will lose that ability if these feedback loops are triggered. We should use our influence to prevent that from happening.

[Anonymous No.15552805]

>>15552798
No problem. I wish I could have been more helpful, but I'm glad you figured it out anyways

[Anonymous No.15552808]

>>15552800
>We have the ability to influence the climate
Narcissistic delusion.

[Anonymous No.15552813]

>>15552789
Bot.

[Anonymous No.15552820]

i would honestly prefer it if the world could just burst into flames already

[Anonymous No.15552825]

>>15552808
Denial doesn't change reality.

[Anonymous No.15552829]

>>15552813
>Bot, bot, bot!
Come up with something more interesting.

[Anonymous No.15553603]

>>15552808
this, its a delusion that can only be held by people who are ignorant of math and science

[Anonymous No.15553991]

>>15552808
We could ever influence the climate, with the current hundreds of thousands of factories running 24/7 and gazillions of vehicles.

[Anonymous No.15553995]

>>15550219
but I'm not going on vacation to alaska or florida next year?

[Anonymous No.15553996]

[Anonymous No.15553997]

>>15550479
>pure cohencidence

[Anonymous No.15554068]

>>15550479
>cohencidence
I'm stealing this

[Anonymous No.15554141]

>>15550231
>it's easily observable here in yurop where temperatures increased by 10 degrees since 2000s
Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15554534]

>>15548755
>>15548754
There's a lot of same fagging on this board.
And everyone here falls for it.