Evolution scientifically disproved

[Anonymous No.15536557]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022519377900443

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2199970/
>A method of targeted random mutagenesis has been used to investigate the informational content of 25 residue positions in two alpha-helical regions of the N-terminal domain of lambda repressor. Examination of the functionally allowed sequences indicates that there is a wide range in tolerance to amino acid substitution at these positions. At positions that are buried in the structure, there are severe limitations on the number and type of residues allowed. At most surface positions, many different residues and residue types are tolerated. However, at several surface positions there is a strong preference for hydrophilic amino acids, and at one surface position proline is absolutely conserved. The results reveal the high level of degeneracy in the information that specifies a particular protein fold.

This study was conducted at M.I.T where the authors experimented with re-building proteins by taking away amino acids and replacing them with other amino acids. They found that some parts of a protein chain are tolerant to substitutions but other parts are completely intolerant, showing that proteins are not arbitrary collections of component chemicals but rare and unique combinations. This confirm the conclusion of my first source that the probability of a specific folded protein coming into being by undirected evolution is 1 in 10(65). The practically infinite number of other combinations that could form at random are useless protein sequences for living organisms.

[Anonymous No.15536559]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022283604007624
>Estimating the Prevalence of Protein Sequences Adopting Functional Enzyme Folds

This paper is just a technical way of saying that new enzyme folds are impossible to produce by natural selection. This experiment set out to measure the sensitivity to destabilization of proteins. When proteins are destabilized they lose function and if they lose their function they cannot continue to exist, which means further transformation or conversion into other proteins become impossible. This loss of function gives a measure of the rarity of stable functional folds. You could say that you need a miracle to produce a self-replicating cell out of nothing.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC58511/
>Searching sequence space for protein catalysts
>This study provides a quantitative assessment of the number of sequences compatible with a given fold and implicates previously unidentified residues needed to form a functional active site.
>Misplacement of catalytic residues by even a few tenths of an angstrom can mean the difference between full activity and none at all.
>Our estimate of the low frequency of protein catalysts in sequence space indicates that it will not be possible to isolate enzymes from unbiased random libraries in a single step.
>The required library sizes far exceed what is currently accessible by experiment, even with in vitro methods

This study determined that you cannot prove evolution experimentally because the amount of trials you would need is beyond anything that is remotely possible.

[Anonymous No.15536562]

>>15536559
>This study determined that you cannot prove evolution experimentally because the amount of trials you would need is beyond anything that is remotely possible.
They seriously needed a "study" to reach such an obvious common sense conclusion? Intellectualism is truly dead.

[Anonymous No.15536575]

>>15536557
>undirected evolution
what is selective pressure for 500

[Anonymous No.15536622]

>>15536557
evolution theory are just creationism for biology

[Anonymous No.15536670]

>>15536557
>"Evolution debunked"
>Actually posts about abiogenesis like a retard
Ok

[Anonymous No.15536833]

>>15536575
What selective pressures are on amino acid residues in a warm pool of water?

[Anonymous No.15536835]

>>15536622
This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.15536854]

>>15536557
>>15536557
I thought the latest thing was the RNA world, not proteins first.

Anyway, read Signature In The Cell by Stephen Meyer.

[Anonymous No.15536859]

>>15536557
There are a couple of problems.
The perspective makes a critical error by assuming the fundamental units are just our chemical models. The fundamental unit of reality is below all corpuscular form and is not bounded by human understanding, to say the least.
Another minor problem is that they have only sampled a minuscule fraction of the search space.

[Anonymous No.15536918]

>>15536859
>and is not bounded by human understanding
Neither is God, so that is an equally viable hypothesis.
>the fundamental units are just our chemical models
When doing chemistry we restrict ourselves to chemistry, no need to go in QM.
>Another minor problem is that they have only sampled a minuscule fraction of the search space.
This would suggest that the actual probabilities are even larger making it even less likely within the timeframe.

[Anonymous No.15536934]

>>15536833
Amino acids that have higher affinities will bunch together. If there is a simple chain of amino acids which helps to catalyze the creation of similar chains of amino acids then that's another form of selection pressure. Anything that helps chains of amino acids self-propagate would count as evolutionary pressure in this environment.

[Anonymous No.15536946]

>>15536835
nigger have you ever seen some stupid retarded biologist default to "evolution follows that path hence it just is"?
fucking retarded biologists run out of idea and start to make their arguments follow the line of "evolution did it hence it just is", literally logically just like the christtards "god design it to be so" lmao.

[Anonymous No.15536947]

You are all so sad

[Anonymous No.15536955]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_evolution
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6680118/

[Anonymous No.15536959]

>>15536557
Imagine being so retarded you think abiogenesis and evolution are the same thing

[Anonymous No.15536967]

>>15536959
There is no reason to believe in evolution if the starting space is seeded in any kind of way. It could be directed which makes the whole theory bunk.

[Anonymous No.15536984]

>>15536967
>image familiar

[Anonymous No.15536991]

>>15536967
See
>>15536955

[Anonymous No.15537155]

>>15536934
Publish the paper then and get a nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.15537157]

>>15536946
This has to be a troll

[Anonymous No.15537162]

>>15536959
See >>15536934
It's common actually

[Anonymous No.15537333]

>>15537157
why do I have to troll biologists. you are 120 or below subhuman niggers anyway.
I bet you don't even have enough brain cells to understand my argument.

[Anonymous No.15537635]

>>15537157
it isn't, evolution is creationism for atheists, so is "the big bang"

[Anonymous No.15537654]

>>15536557
What's up with the double-and-a-half spacing on this? And why is it from 1977?

[Anonymous No.15537865]

>>15537635
Lol. And Communism is Capitalism for Marxists. Stupidest thing I ever heard.

>>15537654
>And why is it from 1977?
The Laws of Thermodynamics were discovered in the 19th Century and they are still valid today.

[Anonymous No.15537868]

>>15537635
Most of modern soience exists to flatter a debunked atheist worldview.

[Anonymous No.15537876]

>>15537868
christfags keep coping with your delusional fantasy

[Anonymous No.15537886]

>>15537865
>Communism is Capitalism for Marxists
Shephan Mikoyan, nephew of Artem Mikoyan, who is the Mi in MiG (Mikoyan Gureivich) wrote an enormous, detailed autobiography of his career as a MiG test pilot, in it he details the nature of competition amongst the various USSR aircraft manufacturers. If you read it, you will agree that "Communism is Capitalism for Marxists", the competition between MiG, Sukhoi and the rest of the gang was no different than that between Lockheed, Grumman, McDonnell Douglas, etc.

[Anonymous No.15537918]

>>15537886
>If you read it, you will agree
Not him but I imagine he'd disagree that the US military industrial complex exemplifies a free market.

[Anonymous No.15537949]

>>15537918
Its all consolidated these days, but Mikoyan's experience in the mid 20th century was identical to what was going on in America, the USSR had the same lobbying, the same bribing politicians by giving the money to their relatives, the same industrial espionage, etc. MiG thrived in this environment in part because Artem's brother Anastas was a political bigshot diplomat and high ranking politburo member

[Anonymous No.15538122]

>fully formed, modern, fragile proteins can't form out of the aether
wow it's a good thing that no one actually claims that then
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsif.2021.0641

[Anonymous No.15538167]

>>15537155
it would be rejected as "not novel" because this is in every undergrad biochemistry coursework retard

[Anonymous No.15538185]

>>15536557
I remember when this board was an actual discussion board of tired STEM students and not just /pol/ 2.0 with dropouts christcucks copeposting to the point of self-delusion.

[Anonymous No.15538278]

>>15538185
you're not here to discuss science, you're here to patrol the board for political wrongthink

[Anonymous No.15538288]

>>15538278
So you admit this is all about /pol/faggotry and not an actual discussion about true science? And i am sorry you think you are a fucking victim of the deep state for having very retarded ideas you like to parrot on a circlejerk board you fuckers killed because a containment board wasn't enough for you dickwads.

[Anonymous No.15538579]

>>15536557
>>15536559
these problems arise from the fact the biologists can't do math

[Anonymous No.15538583]

>>15537155
Holy fucking retard kek

[Anonymous No.15538830]

>>15538185
Same, I come back after a few years and it's just unrecognizable.

[Anonymous No.15539447]

>>15536967
Why though? Abiogenesis does not fall under evolution through natural selection. I don't need to know about prehistoric humans to study the history of medieval Europe.

[Anonymous No.15539450]

>>15537868
What are you even doing here

[Anonymous No.15539519]

>>15536557
If an intelligent creator made proteins, why make some of them prions or some accidentally kill you because it binds more tightly to another ligand like O2 vs CO?

Also, I'm pretty sure an intelligent designer could do better than RuBisCO in plants. That shit is pants-on-head retarded engineering if intentional.

[Anonymous No.15539523]

>>15539519
Like hemoglobin with O2 vs CO*

[Anonymous No.15539526]

>>15537155
where do you think he got that knowledge you retarded faggot?

[Anonymous No.15539536]

>>15539519
>an intelligent designer could do better than RuBisCO in plants
Let's see you design a living thing. Oh right, you can't, and neither can all of SCIENCE!. Literally cannot even synthesize protoplasm.

[Anonymous No.15539537]

>>15539536
not him but yeah i am not claiming i can make a human
you are the one claiming an all powerful god that can design things and he put my butthole close to my dick and my breathing hole close to my eating hole

[Anonymous No.15539541]

>>15539536
Since Christian god is characterized to be omnipotent and omniscient and also to have created all laws of physics and so on it's completely all up to his discretion. So literally anything is by design and his decision.
So as anon mentioned, this is retarded engineering. Or he did it on purpose. Whichever you like more.

[Anonymous No.15539544]

>>15539537
>i am not claiming i can make a human
Plants and protoplasm were mentioned, not humans. Hallucinate much?
>you are the one claiming an all powerful god that can design things and he put my butthole close to my dick and my breathing hole close to my eating hole
You're hallucinating again as I have made no such claim. Can you address anything other than your own strawmen?

[Anonymous No.15539545]

>>15538167
So what are the quantitative conclusions? How does it affect the probabilities? Does it make them more plausible? Also give me the name of the research, so I can look it up.

[Anonymous No.15539546]

>>15539544
what stance would you have then with such a retarded post?

[Anonymous No.15539584]

>>15539541
No, because the world is in a fallen state. Read the Bible, you might actually learn something.

[Anonymous No.15539601]

>>15539584
The original sin is compatible with the image of god that Christians have. They want to have their cake and eat it too with their god.

[Anonymous No.15539605]

>>15539584
lmao
i feel like as an ex muslim i am in such a funny spot when i see posts like this, being able to see the other side doing the same retardation i saw muslims do my entire childhood is interesting

[Anonymous No.15539614]

>>15539546
>still can't address any point in the post and must continue to deflect
Do you even realize how badly you are embarrassing yourself?

[Anonymous No.15539619]

>human can't reproduce a result in several years worth of trials that a planet took billions of years worth of trials to do

Sounds like a job for a non-human who can afford to experiment for much much longer.

[Anonymous No.15539620]

>>15539614
what point did you make? that i can't make a human?
yeah i can't, the point is noone intelligent made humans or life cuz if they were they wouldn't make so many mistakes

[Anonymous No.15539626]

>>15536557
OP and other /pol/ crossboarders vehemently deny evolution because if it were true, then it means they would never reproduce.

[Anonymous No.15539629]

>>15536946
I believe in god. I believe that everything comes from him and is because of him. But saying x is that way because god makes it that way is never a scientific answer. And biologists have to find scientific answers.

[Anonymous No.15539877]

>>15538167
>>15538583
>>15539526
Are you going to produce the papers or references as per >>15539545 ?

[Anonymous No.15539880]

>>15539601
You don't sound very bright.

>>15539605
Sheesh. I'm very aware of Islam and why you left it. Christianity doesn't have the same kind of problems as Islam that is also why a lot of Muslims are converting to Christianity now.

[Anonymous No.15539891]

>>15539626
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!

[Anonymous No.15539893]

>>15539880
>Christianity doesn't have the same kind of problems as Islam

[Anonymous No.15539895]

>>15539891
>I CAN’T BREED!
Lol virgin

[Anonymous No.15539904]

>>15536557
>The practically infinite number of other combinations that could form at random are useless protein sequences for living organisms.

My god Marty! If your right then none of us are infact alive right now!

We gotta do something Marty! Peoples proteins are randomly unfolding as they crumble into a pile of prion disease.

[Anonymous No.15539911]

>>15536557
>>15536557 (OP)
>The practically infinite number of other combinations that could form at random are useless protein sequences for living organisms.

My god Marty! If your right then none of us are infact alive right now!

We gotta do something Marty! Peoples proteins are randomly unfolding as they crumble into a pile.

[Anonymous No.15540004]

>>15539893
You obviously aren't following the debate.

>>15539877
Any of you fags want to answer this?

[Anonymous No.15540161]

Seeing the athesits sºyence midwits chimp out in this thread is just precious. They're angry and confused and its all because they can't do math so all they can do is get angry when people who can do math show them whats what

[Anonymous No.15540226]

>>15540004
stop pinging me, nigger. do your own homework

[Anonymous No.15540234]

>>15540226
You are being asked to provide information about something which you say is common knowledge. It has been hours and no one (including yourself) has been able to post a single source showing how some non-descript and highly complex chemical evolution reduces the time it takes for amino acids to evolve. You made the claim, you must provide the evidence. A simple wiki page would do.

[Anonymous No.15540248]

>>15540234
i dont care faggot im eating guac in my underwear after doing research for 6 hours literally shove it up your ass
t. catholic mathfag phd student

[Anonymous No.15540251]

>>15537155
>he doesn't know what fucking protein folding is

[Anonymous No.15540252]

>>15540161
indeed
delicious

[Anonymous No.15540270]

>>15536557
>Negentropy is not a concept because entropy cannot be negative.
Oh I get it, this is one of those troll articles that tests if journals actually read the shit they publish, right?

[Anonymous No.15540274]

>>15540161
Maths isnt a science.

[Anonymous No.15540277]

>>15540234
He completely made it up.

[Anonymous No.15540300]

>>15540248
>Its common knowledge retard, but I can't find it in a few seconds
And neither can anyone else. If you are asked for a reference, you provide one, otherwise you lose the debate and stop your futile responses.

>>15540251
Protein folding isn't even the issue.

>>15540270
Entropy is fixed to the arrow of time. It cannot go in reverse, therefore no negative entropy.

[Anonymous No.15540306]

>>15540300
>If you are asked for a reference, you provide one,
do your own work faggot
>otherwise you lose the debate
oh no! anyways.

[Anonymous No.15540310]

>>15540300
>Entropy is fixed to the arrow of time. It cannot go in reverse, therefore no negative entropy.
lmfao you are so fucking clueless and i will not correct you

[Anonymous No.15540314]

>>15540310
dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.15540330]

>>15539605
>lmao

you are prob a midwit

we use "kek" on chan

[Anonymous No.15540339]

>>15540306
>>you lose the debate
>oh no! anyways.
The end result is that we know that amino acids couldn't evolve in the timeframe given by random chance. The concept that life began through selective pressure evolution is therefore debunked. No Nobel prize for a faker like you.

[Anonymous No.15540343]

>>15540339
>by random chance
good thing that's not how chemistry works!

[Anonymous No.15540363]

>>15540343
There is a huge amount of randomness in chemistry that is occurring in a warm pool of water. How the molecules move and thereby interact is entirely dependent on this randomness.

[Anonymous No.15540424]

>>15539880
>Muslims are converting to Christianity now
this doesn't actually happen lmao

[Anonymous No.15540432]

>>15540330
>we use "kek" on chan

[Anonymous No.15540783]

>>15540248
thats not guac in your underwear

[Anonymous No.15540874]

>>15536557
reminder that evolution is incomplete and almost all life forms we see today cannot be made through natural selection

[Anonymous No.15541083]

>>15538185
kys

[Anonymous No.15541218]

>>15540306
>>15540310
>>15540248
>>15540251
>>15540226
>>15538167
>>15538583
>>15539526
>>15540277
This is a good lesson for /sci/. Just because you say "faggot" and "retard" does not mean that you are right or even that you have a coherent argument. Leave the ad homs out of it and just rely on the sources, otherwise gtfo.

[Anonymous No.15541221]

>>15540874
elaborate

[Anonymous No.15541231]

>>15541221
you can't make giraffes by taking horses and only breeding the ones with the longest necks

[Anonymous No.15541235]

>>15541231
not him btw

[Anonymous No.15541407]

>>15541218
incredibly baaed

[Anonymous No.15541479]

>>15541218
how else do you reply to a retarded post? you call it retarded and leave

[Anonymous No.15541591]

>>15536562
can't they just show it in fruit flies? evolution can happen in a single generation

[Anonymous No.15542139]

>>15541231
Well it's a good thing giraffes didn't evolve from horses then.

[Anonymous No.15543120]

>>15538185
>students
people who are still in school should not be pontificating to begin with. if you were qualified to be expressing you "expert" opinion then you wouldn't still be a schoolchild

[Anonymous No.15543160]

>>15542139
Idiots like you think they could, given enough time.

[Anonymous No.15543179]

>>15538185
>>15538830
what's a good place to discuss or at least read interesting stuff?

[Anonymous No.15543217]

>>15543160
Excuse me?

[Anonymous No.15543232]

>>15536562
because these taxpayer scammers don't want to invent simulation to predict things like those, because no one knows ToE to begin with

[Anonymous No.15543416]

>>15543179
reddit

[Anonymous No.15544033]

>>15543232
>ToE
atheists have fantasies of god like omniscience and they are too low iq to understand the irony.

[Anonymous No.15544136]

>>15543179
http://lambdaplusjs35padjaiz4jw2fugdoeutse262phqr72uf634s2wdbqd.onion/math/ - math
https://hikari3.ch/aca/ - science

[Anonymous No.15544145]

>>15544136
Are you fucking kidding me? The spam filter let's a fucking onion link through while I can't even post a springer article? God I hate this place so much

[Anonymous No.15545052]

>>15538122
Unless he's claiming that proteins can't naturally undergo a change in function at all, which would be even weirder to say since that's literally been observed to happen.

[Anonymous No.15545089]

>>15544145
>God I hate this place so much
why are you here? nobody wants you here and you don't enjoy being here

[Anonymous No.15545454]

>>15544145
>atheist soience expert complaining to god

[Anonymous No.15545781]

>>15545089
>>15545454
samefag

[Anonymous No.15546000]

>>15539536
I am not an omnipotent being that can write reality and will itself into existence. But I can point out flaws. Also, thanks for conveniently replying to one point. Hope your carbon monoxide alarm is working, because God fucked up writing physics and made hemoglobin bind to CO 20,000 times better than O2. That number is not an exaggeration either.

Reminder for all you faggots to check your fire alarms and get a carbon monoxide alarm if you don't have one. Fire departments also usually have programs available if you're in a wheelchair and they're inaccessible or are a poor fag and can't afford one

[Anonymous No.15546006]

>>15536670
How does abiogenesis not debunk evolution though?

[Anonymous No.15546015]

>>15536622
It's an unproven and unprovable creation myth for atheism/naturalism. It requires countless miracles, but they have no miracle maker. Same with the big bang and abiogenesis, it's their creation myth. They want to explain the world in a way that denies a Creator so they feel justified in sinning all day long.
https://www.trueorigin.org/abio.php

>>15536670
It's the foundation for your creation myth. Evolutionism is religion, not science, and you cowards can't even defend your blind faith.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2DzHLUfwc

>>15536854
>I thought the latest thing was the RNA world, not proteins first.
It's a ever-moving goalpost. Every single time atheist creation myths which are falsely called science are criticized, the goalposts move and the evolutionism cultists have to call the "heretics" to their religion "science-deniers" despite science explicitly proving evolutionism never happens. They point to variations within a kind then claim that proves kinds can bring forth new kinds. It's a leap of blind faith and they don't even see it because they lack basic understanding of logic and science.

If you notice, there hasn't been a single poster yet who has proven evolutionism. All they've done so fare is move goalposts and force the topic onto other subjects because they cannot defend their blind faith creation myths.

The mathematical probabilities alone, evolutionism and abiogenesis are humanely impossible, but the principle itself has never been proven but is instead disproven on a daily basis with every single act of procreation. Life only comes from life, and creatures only bring forth after their kind. In order to believe in these atheist creation myths, you have to believe in countless miracles yet they have no miracle maker. It's simply not science, but they have to lie and be dishonest or else they'd lose tax-funding an access to kids in schools with their religious creation myth of big bang, abiogenesis, and evolutionism.

[Anonymous No.15546019]

>>15541231
You could make a giraffe equivalent by taking some okapis and breeding the ones with the longest necks, though.

[Anonymous No.15546025]

>>15546019
A live okapi for reference.

[Anonymous No.15546291]

>>15546006
Excuse me?

[Anonymous No.15546426]

>>15536557
Macro evolution is a psyop to further the transhumanist agenda.

[Anonymous No.15546587]

>>15546291
The fact that abiogenesis never happened debunks evolution.

[Anonymous No.15547411]

>>15546587
We don't know how life began. You stating that abiogenesis is false is just conjecture.
But that doesn't matter because it's unrelated. Life could have been seeded by aliens and that wouldn't change anything about evolution.

[Anonymous No.15547421]

>>15547411
>You stating that abiogenesis is false is just conjecture.
It's backed up by extensive null-result experiments by desperate materialists.

[Anonymous No.15547437]

>>15536557
>95% confidence

[Anonymous No.15547446]

>>15546426
Darwinism is a psyop that justifies the "market capitalism" meme

[Anonymous No.15548788]

>>15547446
>DESTRUCTIVE EDUCATION
>3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

[Anonymous No.15549433]

Darwin was jewish

[Anonymous No.15549988]

>>15546015
the screeches of someone still btfo by Kitzmiller v. Dover.
there's a reason most christian scientists refuse to take you seriously.

[Anonymous No.15550001]

>>15536557
we can see evolution in the fossil record, retard. It's already been proven by looking at things from 100 million years ago.

[Anonymous No.15550055]

>>15536557
You're not White.

[Anonymous No.15550601]

>>15550001
how many fossils have you collected?

[Anonymous No.15550863]

>>15546015
>creation myth
the average 'best guess' given the known facts is not the same thing as claiming skydaddy ejaculated on an apple and forcefed a whore.

[Anonymous No.15550872]

>>15536557
Hey statistics genius, given an infinite space with infinite planets, what're the odds of you being born on the one speck of dust out of 10^65+ where these specific proteins did in fact form?

[Anonymous No.15550878]

>>15538185
Welcome to latter day 4chan!
It is genuinely depressing.

[Anonymous No.15551011]

I notice that the complaints about muh replication crisis that always come up when someone cites a paper are completely absent from this thread. I wonder why that could be?

[Anonymous No.15551021]

>>15551011
Because this study is replicable, and therefore not fraudulent.

[Anonymous No.15551035]

>>15538185
I remember when this board was only homework helping for the most basic of problems.

[Anonymous No.15551044]

>>15551035
In fact look at this. archived.moe/sci/gallery/5000/
That's 2011.

It's all homework help questions with occasional standard retarded thread and political threads. That's what this board always was. I would actually say it didn't gain much of an identity until around 2018 or so. I think everyone figured out how to actually search the internet for basic answers by then.

Everyone has rose tinted glasses for these shit boards, but when you look back it's all garbage. It was different, but I don't think different = better.

[Anonymous No.15551057]

>>15536557
>Creationism

KYS CHRISTKEK

[Anonymous No.15551092]

>>15550863
>s claiming skydaddy ejaculated on an apple and forcefed a whore.
your bias is showing jackass

[Anonymous No.15551094]

>>15550872
1, since it requires these proteins for me to be born

[Anonymous No.15551098]

>>15551044
>archived.moe/sci/gallery/5000/
that's way better than today's catalog even with the homework posting wtf are you on about

[Anonymous No.15551113]

>>15551098
although I'd say 2015 /sci was peak
https://archived.moe/sci/gallery/3000/

[Anonymous No.15551132]

>>15551092
>make fun of science...good!
>make fun of your religion..bad!
grow a pair

[Anonymous No.15551178]

>>15551098
No it's not. It's just all homework threads. You are seeing less bullshit because it's just ALL homework threads.

If you cut out the homework you have the same endless recommendation threads and autism threads just with a little less bullshit caused by the death of /pol/ and /x/.

Fundamentally though, it's really not better and those users didn't go ANYWHERE because there is nowhere to go.

[Anonymous No.15551190]

>>15551113
I honestly can not see the difference between that catalog and today's catalog
>Is masturbation unhealthy?
>White men are attracted to Asian women and it's science
>What is the most useful equation? (We have this same variation of thread every week)
>Prove to me X!
>IQ thread
>Psued bullshit about ego
>Spam my algebra teachers email
>Some science philosophy threads
>Lots of homework threads

I would say all that happened to /sci/ is the endless homework threads were replaced with more schizo and argument threads. And that's probably more so the fault of COVID than anything else. I don't remember this board being much different than that 2015 snapshot back in 2018.

I can not explain the phenomenon of homework threads though. They were really a staple of this board and they're practically non-existent. Is this something about the lowering of educational standards during COVID or something?

[Anonymous No.15551194]

>>15551190
Mods started banning homework threads.

[Anonymous No.15551547]

>>15540330
you must go back.

[Anonymous No.15552419]

>>15551194
schoolchildren shouldn't even be on this board at all. people who are in school are uneducated by definition

[Anonymous No.15553396]

>>15551035
why does debunking an ancient 1800s scientific theory upset you so much?

[Anonymous No.15553457]

>>15536575

natural selection doesn't apply to chemicals you fucking moron. chemicals dont "move" towards anything. fucking retarded r.edditor.

[Anonymous No.15554599]

>>15553396
They aren't interested in learning or science, they are interested in defending their textbook dogma because the schoolbooks are their infallible religious texts

[Anonymous No.15554610]

>>15536959
There's no fine line dividing the two. Abiogenesis was likely derived through some sort of natural selection process as well, a chemical evolution if you will.

[Anonymous No.15554611]

>>15551113
>>/sci/reports/image-reposts
Hahahaha, nice science you got there.

[Anonymous No.15554654]

>>15541407
>incredibly baaed
u wot mate

[Anonymous No.15554661]

>>15540270
>Negentropy
good song
listen to the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL1-yOw2D5w

[Anonymous No.15554685]

>>15546015
>Evolutionism is religion, not science
Then how do you propose you're able to post things on 4chan on your computer if nothing ever evolved?
Or do you wake up every day thinking everything just magically appeared into existence this morning?

[Anonymous No.15554776]

>>15554611
>the most spammed images are bad quality
no fucking shit

[Anonymous No.15556191]

>>15554776
most common = mid

[Anonymous No.15557020]

>>15551132
so you're saying that science is a religion for you rather than a rational system for analyzing hypotheses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
>Scientism is the opinion that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and reality.
the scientific method was developed by Christians strictly for use by Christians. non-Christians cannot effectively employ the scientific method

[Anonymous No.15557569]

>>15536934
>If there is a simple chain of amino acids which helps to catalyze the creation of similar chains of amino acids then that's another form of selection pressure
No it would not because there is no goal to propagate faster (there is in fact no goals in evolution). Reproductive success is what dictates a pressure, not reproductive speed. The operative word "catalyze" is not creating a pressure.
>Amino acids that have higher affinities will bunch together
This is debatable if it constitutes an evolutionary pressure. On one hand it would seem to benefit reproduction if more "building blocks" came together more often, on the other hand if there is no filter for "bad building blocks" that inhibit reproduction then it would be a detriment. If the good and bad cancel out then there is a neutral effect on reproduction, and thus no pressure.
>Anything that helps chains of amino acids self-propagate would count as evolutionary pressure in this environment.
You're rehashing the definition of evolutionary pressure at the molecular level, that wasn't the question. The question is WHAT would help ergo what are the alleged pressures.

[Anonymous No.15558079]

>>15536557
>A calculation of the probability of spontaneous biogenesis by information theory
>Author: Hubert P. Yockey
>Army Pulse Radiation Facility, Aberdeen Proving Ground, >Maryland 21005, U.S.A.
>Received 10 November 1975, Revised 16 August 1976, Available online 24 March 2006.

Hey... its available online, finally!

They can't keep the truth down, boyos!

[Anonymous No.15558403]

>>15544136
oh nice
ty anon those look comfy

[Anonymous No.15558442]

>>15536559
>you cannot prove evolution experimentall-
https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8
Sorry for FUCKING your thread OP.

[Anonymous No.15558475]

>>15554685
People built and designed the computer. God built and designed existence.

[Anonymous No.15558489]

>>15536557
If you want to pretend to do science, you have to be meticulous in your choice of words. Here, you have said "evolution scientifically disproved", while only showing studies about abiogenesis. Evolution is not abiogenesis. You failed. Too bad !

[Anonymous No.15559125]

>>15541591
This isn't talking about genetic changes, this is talking about abiogenesis, which is and always has been a faith-based belief.

[Anonymous No.15559141]

>>15558475
Based

[Anonymous No.15559499]

>>15558489
>Evolution is not abiogenesis.
yes it is

[Anonymous No.15559899]

>>15557020
no it's that you can't grow a pair after being made fun of.
>the scientific method was developed by Christians strictly for use by Christians.
even applying this logic that is why a majority of christian scientists believe in evolution by natural selection then?

which is why in court creationists (or "Cdesign Proponentsists") lost on all counts and evolution won, christian honesty and humility won.

[Anonymous No.15560197]

>>15558079
>Evolution was being btfo even in the 70s by some grunt using elementary math
Lol
Lmao
If some random grunt can do this imagine what slaughter the Paperclip boys must've done while assisting daddy gov.

[Anonymous No.15560337]

>>15536557
Evolutionism is a blind faith religion. They don't care about science. They don't care about any of it, their religion comes first and their impose their religion on the data. Evolutionists have an "evolution of the gaps" where they claim "evolution" is the cause of *literally everything*.

If you're going to claim entire kingdoms and phylums changed, but all you can point to is variations and adaptations within a kind, and claim that's proof all life shares a common ancestor, then that's a huge leap of blind faith. How they can claim evolution of kinds happened for millions of years then magically stopped once cameras were invented is insane.

That's not even getting into the mathematical impossibilities of it or how it violates laws of thermodynamics and information and flies in the face of genetic entropy. They claim natural selection can magically create new information, but it can only select from what's already there.

They can't prove their blind faith religion of evolutionism, so they just go through all the typical talking points and none of them ever prove their creation myth fairy tale.

[Anonymous No.15560465]

>>15560337
>all that projection

[Anonymous No.15560609]

>>15551190
Chegg I assume killed the need for homework help, and I guess underage& not even being able to find /sci/ to ask about homework contributed. There's also a massive decrease in the rigor of work assigned in high school and lower division university classes.

[Anonymous No.15561309]

>>15559899
>a majority of christian scientists believe in evolution by natural selection
they don't

[Anonymous No.15561319]

>>15561309
they do, and no amount of lies will change that, the best you can do is attack their faith.

[Anonymous No.15562240]

>>15561319
>they do
no they don't

[Anonymous No.15562303]

>>15536557
>>15536559
This article is about abiogenesis not evolution, you retarded dingus.

[Anonymous No.15562647]

>>15562240
>lying cause you can't handle the faith of scientists.
reddit atheist tier thinking

[Anonymous No.15563614]

>>15562303
abiogenesis is the evolutionists' version of the big bang, both of them are just soience rewrites of the biblical book of genesis
>in the beginning god created everything
NOOOOOO!!!
in the beginning MUH SOIENCE created everything

both of those are faith based assertions that have no evidence to back them up, but at least the religious group is honest about that

[Anonymous No.15563741]

>>15563614
I'm sorry, how did the scientific method, a tool, beget the universe? Did the ratchet in my toolbox beget the internal combustion engine too?

[Anonymous No.15564680]

>>15563614
except the person that discovered the big bang was a devoted christian.

[Anonymous No.15564872]

>>15564680
No, he was a jesuit.

[Anonymous No.15565240]

>>15564872
>jesuit
>not christian
you're not just stupid, you're fully retarded.

[Anonymous No.15565351]

>>15553457
"Natural selection" applies to everything retard.
You can apply natural selection to bits on a computer.
Evolution is a self organizing process of all matter.
Not only organic matter.

[Anonymous No.15565416]

>>15545454
you need to go back

[Anonymous No.15565652]

>>15536557
Why do people let retards write this kinds of papers. Abiogenesis isn't the same as evolution. Anyone without a smooth brain would be able to tell this.

[Anonymous No.15565701]

>>15565652
>Abiogenesis isn't the same as evolution.
Abiogenesis might not be the same as evolution, but it's the bedrock of the atheist materialist worldview that evolution is downstream from.

[Anonymous No.15565727]

>>15565701
But what does an atheist materialistic worldview had anything to do with evolution, abiogenesis and science without having to specifically bring up to the table? Or is this a problem that only Americans think of because or their culturally religious backgrounds? Genuinely asking here.

[Anonymous No.15565735]

>>15565727
ESL?

[Anonymous No.15565886]

>>15565727
many religious Americans feel that theories like evolution, and hypotheses like abiogenesis are a threat to their religious worldview, not realizing that at every turn, religious (American) Christians are at the edge of this research.

[Anonymous No.15565890]

>>15565886
announcing that you're an atheist is no different than announcing that you're a liar

[Anonymous No.15565897]

>>15565890
That sounds to me like you don't know what an atheist is

[Anonymous No.15565900]

>>15565897
you're only upset because you've been accurately characterized

[Anonymous No.15565999]

>>15565900
I'm not him, dummy. Which doesn't change the fact that you probably don't know what an atheist is. You were probably fed a dumb definition from Dawkins or something where he muddies the waters by introducing a multi-step scale of faith instead of clear cut definitions.

[Anonymous No.15566003]

>>15565999
By definition an atheist does not believe in objective moral values and duties. Therefore, unlike the Christian, he is not subject to the commandment against bearing false witness (i.e. lying). In fact he defines his worldview by the belief that such commandments originate from no valid source.

[Anonymous No.15566017]

Atheists are cringe and a faith in their own right though they can't admit it to themselves or their entire ideology implodes, agnostics at least know thay don't know.

[Anonymous No.15566055]

>>15566003
False. Maybe your preacher told you what an atheist is but that's wrong. Atheism is a single position on a single issue and has nothing to do with morality or objectivism.

[Anonymous No.15566057]

>>15566017
vast majority of agnostics are atheist

[Anonymous No.15566061]

>>15566055
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

[Anonymous No.15566085]

>>15566061
How would you feel if you responded to the argument?

[Anonymous No.15566088]

>>15566085
Trust me, your answer to that question has everything to do with the argument.

[Anonymous No.15566097]

>>15566003
I know atheists who believe in objective morality, they just don't attribute it to god.
I myself think that categorizing it as subjective/objective is a distraction so that preachers can wow people who don't know any better. Atheists who argue moral relativism either lost the semantic game against Christians (which doesn't make Christians correct, just makes them more adept at manipulating the rules to get their desired outcome) or don't have nuanced enough philosophical views to really make any argument about it.

[Anonymous No.15566099]

>>15566097
>I know atheists who believe in objective morality, they just don't attribute it to god.
From what do they derive such a belief? Platonism?

[Anonymous No.15567550]

>>15566097
>I know atheists who lie about believing in objective morality
atheists are all liars
"thou shalt not lie" is something that only Christians believe in

[Anonymous No.15567724]

>>15536557
>hard determinist schizos forever correct
god wins again

[Anonymous No.15568117]

>>15567550
whatever helps you sleep at night

[Anonymous No.15568279]

>>15566099
they derive their stated beliefs from their dishonesty

[Anonymous No.15569167]

How come evolutionists cling so dearly to a 200 year old theory?

[Anonymous No.15570519]

>>15569167
>How come evolutionists cling so dearly to a 200 year old theory?
How come they do that while constantly naysaying everyone who believes in a 2000 year old book?
Can't they see how absurd that is?

[Anonymous No.15571494]

>>15570519
it might take them a few thousand more years before to darwinism become close enough in age to the bible for them to start to see the parallel

[Anonymous No.15571933]

>>15549433
That reads like a joke. The fact that Darwin was Jewish actually makes his theory less likely given that it is likely politically and religiously motivated rather than scientific.

[Anonymous No.15571940]

>>15571933
A brilliant mind at work

[Anonymous No.15571969]

>>15571933
not really, Jews have no real reason to try and conspire to make something like evolution.
though i will say under reform and secular Judaism, there is not much reason to deny it, from what i know, Judaism is less about exact belief and faith and more about practice.

[Anonymous No.15571983]

>>15571969
Evolution is mentioned specifically and discussed at length in the Protocols.

[Anonymous No.15571993]

>>15571969
protocol 2
>DESTRUCTIVE EDUCATION
>3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the GOYIM.

[Anonymous No.15572061]

>>15571993
>Ctrl + f " evolution" "Charles Darwin" "natural selection"
>0 results
not even your schizo paper says it more than once.

[Anonymous No.15572940]

>>15572061
search for Darwinism

[Anonymous No.15573023]

>>15572940
>Ctrl + f "darwinism"
>one result you can I already mentioned.
amazing man, you really showed me.

[Anonymous No.15573832]

>>15573023
big of you to admit it

[Anonymous No.15574896]

>>15571993
More from protocol 2
>5. In the hands of the States of to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing our requirements supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people, to express and to create discontent. It is in the Press that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation. But the GOYIM States have not known how to make use of this force; and it has fallen into our hands. Through the Press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have got the GOLD in our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of the oceans of blood and tears. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our people. Each victim on our side is worth in the sight of God a thousand GOYIM

[Anonymous No.15574913]

>>15546015
>insults evolution as a religion
>is a religious fundamentalist
So you admit religions are bullshit?

[Anonymous No.15574920]

>>15549433
Thats satire mocking turks who made an anti evolution book that said darwin was a jew

[Anonymous No.15574935]

>>15550601
>schizo who won’t trust any evidence unless he personally uncovers it

[Anonymous No.15574947]

>>15574935
>but will believe any sourceless schizo /pol/ infographic that he agrees with

[Anonymous No.15574959]

>>15553457
What is the magical barrier that prevents organisms from changing over time? Jesus? If one mutation is possible a million mutations over a million years is possible.

[Anonymous No.15575016]

>>15563741
Stfu boomer. Astrophysics isn’t comparable to your baby dick lifted pickup truck

[Anonymous No.15575025]

>>15574959
>If one mutation is possible a million mutations over a million years is possible.
t. thermodynamics denial gang

[Anonymous No.15575031]

>>15536557
Abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution.
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.15576127]

>>15575031
I can tell that you're emotional and upset by your use of profanity and your attempt at being insulting, however science is for rational people, not emotional basket cases with no self control.
Do you really think you're going to convince people to change their minds and agree with you by hurling insults and profanity at them?

[Anonymous No.15577398]

>>15575016
>I am jealous of ppl with trucks
get a job and you'll be able to afford your own vehicle one day

[Anonymous No.15578416]

>>15575025
Ignorance of the basics powers all sorts of stupid beliefs. Thats how dunning krugerism works

[Anonymous No.15578587]

>>15538185
It took a nosedive after the election tourists arrived and then another sharper one after covid, but there's been off-topic racebaiting and IQ shit from the start.

I just really wish there was a separate math board.

[Anonymous No.15579171]

>>15575016
Correct, trucks have the potential to be of meaningful use, daydreaming about black holes never will be

[Anonymous No.15580239]

>>15574896
>Each victim on our side is worth in the sight of God a thousand GOYIM
so muh 6 million justifies killing six billion goyims in the eyes of the jews
and the holocaust never even happened, but they still think they're justified in taking revenge

[Anonymous No.15580411]

>>15574959
>If one mutation is possible a million mutations over a million years is possible.
>Using Le 2 more million years argument
Most mutations are deleterious, chud. The genome is an instruction set. Most traits are linked to multiple alleles. And like the other anon stated, you have to account for entropy. Natural selection refers to change in phenotype within a population. It does not concern itself with the mechanism by which new traits can be created.

[Anonymous No.15581181]

>>15580411
>Most mutations are deleterious
Doesn't take much looking around to see that. All of the mutant people you see are far less capable than people with normal healthy genetics
inb4 REEEEEEEE normies

[Anonymous No.15582589]

What's the fundamental issue?

[Anonymous No.15582602]

>>15582589
Biologists can't do math seems to be the fundamental issue. They're not capable of understanding how statistically unlikely it is that their Darwinist dogma is legitimately true, so they just believe the dogma blindly out of ignorance

[Anonymous No.15582641]

>>15582602
Why do "Cdesign Proponentsists" lie so much? Christians already destroyed them in court badly, but they keep lying for no reason.

[Anonymous No.15583949]

>>15581181
You may not like hearing this and it probably won't be a popular idea on 4chan, but 5/10 average NPC with 100 IQ and of average height and average dimensions otherwise, is the peak of human evolution.
freak phenotypes are genetic garbage.

[Anonymous No.15583968]

>>15546015
>there hasn't been a single poster yet who has proven evolutionism
You can't prove the past. You can't even prove that yesterday really happened.

[Anonymous No.15584017]

>>15536557
>proteins are not arbitrary collections of component chemicals but rare and unique combinations
???
of course they are? are you retarded?
>the probability of a specific folded protein coming into being by undirected evolution is 1 in 10(65)
and the probability of the universe allowing a being as defective as you to exist for this long is infinitely small but here we are.

[Anonymous No.15585937]

bump

[Anonymous No.15587266]

>>15536557
They said DNA controls you but they are retarded to find out that DNA itself if exist is constantly evolving ok? Through action and hard work your DNA changes just go for sunshine and snow

[Anonymous No.15587271]

>>15537635
literally this

2 seconds of critical thinking applied to evolution proves it is retarded beyond anything

[Anonymous No.15587305]

>>15536557
Too bad the atheist creation myth religion is still tax-funded and forced on generation after generation of kids in public schools as a "science fact" because it serves their political agendas. It makes good slaves to the state and SJW retardation.

They say "just have faith" that variations within a kind can account or all life to a common ancestor. Just "have faith" in "the experts" (their priest class) that what they said was true, that you share a common ancestry with earth worms and maggots and bananas are your cousin; but ignore the "heretics" (the experts who don't have their same faith they came from monkeys and all life shares a common ancestor).

It's not even scientifically possible by laws of science, so they create "pockets" of time where the laws don't apply. They have endless miracles with no miracle maker and that doesn't align with their naturalist religion which claims everything is a result of purely physical/natural processes.

It's not even mathematically impossible either. And their whole timeline is flawed, but if they admit all the data that proves rock layers aren't 6 gorillion years apart, then they don't have the time for their creation myth. The ideology drives the data, anything contradictory to their paradigm is cast out and discarded or censored or ignored.

[Anonymous No.15587327]

>>15587305
you would think all of this evidence would have come to light in the Kitsmiller V Dover case, but sadly for dishonest "Cdesign Proponentsists", it doesn't exist. The Christian judge was very disappointed that the "Cdesign Proponentsists" would raise their bible so high, put it down and then lie.

[Anonymous No.15587348]

>>15541218
if I could call someone a faggot retard in a repudiable scientific journal I'd be soooo happy

[Anonymous No.15588528]

Its amazing that the people who claim to love science and reason reject reasoned, mathematical, scientific proof that evolution isn't possible. I guess maybe they don't really love science and reason as they claim, what they really love is their academic dogma

[Anonymous No.15588553]

>>15588528
>reasoned, mathematical, scientific proof that evolution isn't possible
still waiting on that btw

[Anonymous No.15589310]

>>15588553
its in OP picrels

[Anonymous No.15590497]

>>15546587
>the fact that we don't know how something started means that our understanding of how it changes is "debunked"
Do you understand why this is retarded anon?

[Anonymous No.15590585]

Evolution is true plus you don’t have a better alternative plus we’re carbon based life forms so no rules are violated. Cope harder

[Anonymous No.15590596]

>>15565240
Maybe you ought to look into who the jesuits are and what they do, and what oaths they swear.

[Anonymous No.15590602]

>>15590585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVEuQg_Mglw

[Anonymous No.15592275]

>>15564872
Jesuits were the ones who put Galileo on trial for heresy too. The pope at that time as a supporter of Galileo, but both of them were disliked by the jesuits

[Anonymous No.15594026]

>>15536557
>nooooooo, you can't just disprove something i learned in elementary school science class!!!
>thats not fair!!!

[Anonymous No.15594061]

>thread is nearly a month old
>barely above 200 replies
stop bumping this rotten bait you retards

[Anonymous No.15594631]

>>15546006
Evolution is the scientific FACT that there are changes in characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Darwinism is the scientific THEORY that evolution happens because of natural selection of small inherited variations (which is practically universally accepted now that we know about genetics).
Abiogenesis is any natural process by which life arises from non-living matter (there are many different hypotheses about abiogenesis including whether or not it's possible).

Whether or not abiogenesis happened, it doesn't change the fact that changes in characteristics of biological populations over successive generations have been observed, it doesn't debunk evolution.
Whether or not abiogenesis happened, it also doesn't debunk the theory that those changes happen because of natural selection of small inherited variations, it doesn't debunk darwinism.
If abiogenesis didn't happen, then that would indeed debunk the idea that man evolved all the way from non-living material. But darwinism doesn't claim that.

[Anonymous No.15595015]

>>15536557
The probability of life coming into existence given that life came into existence is 100%.

[Anonymous No.15596440]

>>15595015
Not according to the theory of evolution. According to evolutionists the probability of life coming into existence was such long odds that it is virtually impossible that their theory is correct.

[Anonymous No.15596692]

>>15596440
We can't observe a reality in which life did not evolve. So the probability of life evolving is 100%, its conditional probability.

Also, even if you disprove evolution, that still makes your existence remote. Consider the chain of ancestors that had to all be in the right place at the right time to make you, and each time the genetic makeup of your ancestors were one in millions. But yet here you are.

[Anonymous No.15596800]

>>15596440
You don't even understand what evolution is. Evolution is just a trend that - given something with the ability to both copy itself and mutate (which is to say, it does a slightly imperfect job of copying itself), such as DNA - we will see a selection of certain mutations when various pressures (scarcity of resources, predation, antibiotics, whatever) is applied. That's it. That's "evolution".

[Anonymous No.15597225]

I, too, love it when someone posts 30 - 50 year old papers and goes, "Ha! X scientifically disproven!"

[Anonymous No.15598987]

>>15596800
u can't do math lol
>evolution is true because i'm too dumb to do math
explain how ur low iq genes survived for so long if evolution is real

[Anonymous No.15600007]

>>15598987
>good times make weak men

[Anonymous No.15600268]

>>15575025
The earth, or any planet in a solar system for that matter is not a closed system on account of that massive fucking perpetual fireball approximately one astronomical unit away

[Anonymous No.15600566]

>>15566097
You can't be an atheist and be a moral objectivist, and you can't be a materialist and believe in morality at all. The best someone like that could hope to latch onto and be internally consistent is some kind of moral anti-realism

[Anonymous No.15600897]

>>15600566
>You can't be an atheist and be a moral objectivist
Sure you can. You just need some bar that you use to objectively judge morality. Like harm.

[Anonymous No.15601018]

>>15600897
>atheist fantasy
you will always just do whatever is most emotionally pleasing

[Anonymous No.15601039]

>>15601018
Doing things that don't cause harm is most emotionally pleasing for me. :)

[Anonymous No.15601119]

>>15594026
>noooo life was actually made by God!
>how do I know?
>I read it in a book once

[Anonymous No.15601196]

>>15583949
you're living proof

[Anonymous No.15601287]

>>15536557
dear God, you're so fucking retarded...
here's the thing, sparky
those chains are not equiprobable, in fact they are tightly constrained by what you might call stereochemistry, if you knew what that was, or qm (ditto)

[Anonymous No.15602158]

>>15536562
The easiest way to disprove and challenge an established theory that has become a dogma is by showing grandiose inconsistencies using tools accepted by the dogma.

The dogma shall continue live in the minds of people that their livelihood and power depends on, but the free spirits will escape and seek truth, leading to a loss of vigor and capacity to persuade, while at the same time creating competing systems and theories.

Soon the king ends up naked and the system is fragile to the discovery of its lies by the young generation.

[Anonymous No.15602187]

>>15536557
>not understanding the topic
check
>misrepresenting the data
check
>appeal to authority
check
>false premises used in hypothesis
check
yup, it’s troll /sci/ time
free bump, mods didn’t delete so i assume they want this content on this website :^)

[Anonymous No.15602690]

Just like how water wasn't created one Earth same way life wasn't created here. It formed in space and came here with asteroids.

[Anonymous No.15604010]

>>15602690
I'm pretty sure that the current thought is that the majority of water was with Earth as it formed, rather than being delivered by comets, because of some differences in element ratios on comets.

[Anonymous No.15604299]

>>15602158
>The dogma shall continue live in the minds of people that their livelihood and power depends on

[Anonymous No.15604759]

>>15604299

[Anonymous No.15605197]

>>15604759
That does explain why it is so difficult to get apologists to understand Evolution.

[Anonymous No.15605244]

>>15594631
> it doesn't debunk evolution.
yes it does

[Anonymous No.15605689]

>>15605244
evolution = changes in characteristics of biological populations over successive generations
nothing more, nothing less

Evolution by itself isn't even a claim, it's just a description/concept.
What do you even mean by evolution is debunked?

Are you saying that evolution never happens? If so, you're retarded because it definitely does happen. Just look at bacteria or any other population that goes through many generations within your own lifespan.
Are you saying that evolution by itself doesn't explain why we exist? If so, I most definitely agree with that, but you're still retarded for not understanding how to use words.

[Anonymous No.15605925]

>>15537635
The big bang isn't much of a creation myth, it is little more than 'it looks like the physical universe started to exist billions of years ago. The important thing is that it says nothing about what started the universe, how could it? Every tool we have to examine what happened is reliant on measuring things that only began to exist at the big bang.

Big bang cosmology is a boon for creationists, not for naturalists. Naturalists would much prefer a steady state or cyclical universe in which their theories of grand coincidences with impossible odds have forever to occur. A universe with a finite past is one that limits their ability to say that life eventually lucks out with enough space and time.

[Anonymous No.15605967]

>>15602158
>When the midwit uses the word "dogma"

[Anonymous No.15606055]

>>15605925
>it looks like the universe started 13.7 bya +/- 13.6 bya.
The model is shit, the assumptions are staggering, the people are retarded.
The last 80 years of science should be rejected at face value for two reasons. First, it is boomers doing it and their greatest accomplishment is voting a superpower into obscurity. Second, the invasion of the sciences by mouth breathing indoctrinated retards from public education has shot all of its credibility. Until the geniuses of science reclaim their realm, I will firmly reject every premise on principle. And I will always make better predictions on any topic than their aggregate debate.

[Anonymous No.15606543]

>>15605925
>The big bang isn't much of a creation myth
in the beginning god created the universe in 6 days
>NOOOOOOO!!!!!
>in the beginning big bang created the universe in 3 minutes!!!
in the beginning god created all the plants and animals
>NOOOOOOO!!!!!
>in the beginning darwin created all the plants and animals

[Anonymous No.15607181]

>>15606055
El oh el.
El em ef ae oh even.

[Anonymous No.15607223]

>>15553457
go back to your containment board actual retard

[Anonymous No.15607589]

>>15537635
its a theory to teach midwit children. better to just say: we may never know

[Anonymous No.15608133]

>>15606543
theres all sorts of stuff in science that are just blatant ripoffs of biblical teachings

[Anonymous No.15608772]

>>15596692
>So the probability of life evolving is 100%, its conditional probability.
The theory of evolution disagrees with that, it says that life is so astronomically improbable that it couldn't possibly have happened in the way that the evolutionists say it did. The theory disproves itself

[Anonymous No.15608842]

>>15608772
You miss the point. Throughout the endless infinite eternities, lifeless universes coming from nothing and returning to nothing. We can only observe the select few in which life actually exists. None of the individual steps of evolution are impossible, is does not matter how astronomically improbable the entire sequence is, since infinity is more.

[Anonymous No.15608850]

>>15608842
Thats why the theory is clearly wrong, it says there shouldn't be life, yet there is. Taking the existence of life as proof of a theory which predicts no life is clownishly stupid.

[Anonymous No.15608861]

>>15608850
Almost zero, is not the same as zero. For example, its perfectly possible to flip a coin a billion times and have it land heads every time. Of course we will never see this happen, but if our very existence depended on it, then things would be different.

[Anonymous No.15609314]

>>15608772
What do you mean by "the theory of evolution"?
I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Anonymous No.15609372]

>>15553457
You would learn this on the first year of any Biology course anon. Look into sickle cell anaemia and why in some parts of the world the mutated gene for beta-globin is conserved within the population.

[Anonymous No.15609383]

>>15578587
yeah you're right, but now at least back in the day there were people fighting back the race baiting and actually putting forward data disproving it.
Nowadays it is pretty much yet another /pol/ eco chamber and we're only missing straight up flat earth threads.

[Anonymous No.15609389]

>>15606055
go sit back down in your cuck chair dad

[Anonymous No.15609605]

>>15549433
While that is obvious satire, picrel is somewhat interesting.

[Anonymous No.15610854]

if a theory isn't disprovable then it isn't a scientific theory, its religious dogma

[Anonymous No.15611857]

>>15609383

[Anonymous No.15612567]

>>15610854
Evolution is part of the origin story of the soience religion. It's their paraphrasing of the 5th and 6th days of creation.

[Anonymous No.15614940]

>>15608772
>it says that life is so astronomically improbable
I would ask for a source but there's no need to. I know for a fact that you just pulled it out of your ass because you don't even know what theory of evolution is.

[Anonymous No.15616776]

>>15612567
how much of contemporary atheism is really just a low effort rewrite of the bible?

[Anonymous No.15617143]

>>15538185
i also remember. I remember browsing this board in awe 10 years ago at all the smart people. nowadays it's a total shitshow of psuedoscience

[Anonymous No.15617182]

>>15536557
Dear fucking lord the fact that the retards of this board actually took such a nothing burger paper seriously is depressing. You can't prove anything of such nature "beyond doubt" you niggers, that's where logical inference comes in. We make conclusions based on the evidence we have at hand not the ones we couldn't possibly have.

[Anonymous No.15617202]

>>15617182
To add onto this, I'd like a single one of you monkeys to prove me beyond any doubt that the day before today actually, truly happened.

[Anonymous No.15618113]

>>15617143
>I've been on /sci/ for a decade
>it used to be good, but now it sucks
>its totally not my fault tho
yeah its a just a coincidence that the board turned into garbage after you decided to start participating

[Anonymous No.15618406]

>>15596440
Its amazing how powerful ignorance of mathematics is, not knowing math opens up all sorts of new possibilities

[Anonymous No.15620331]

>>15618406
biologists can't do math, thats why they think evolution is real

[Anonymous No.15620570]

>>15536557
Not really disproved but a minor ? To its validity

[Anonymous No.15621380]

>>15620570
really disproved
the theory of evolution says that life sprang into existence out of nothing and then became a bunch of different species, the information in OP shows that the evolution narrative is mathematically impossible.

[Anonymous No.15621456]

>>15536557
Midwit paper. There's nothing undirected or random in biogenesis. Absorption/emission spectra, thermal and chemical stability or desirable instability have to be met always.

[Anonymous No.15621495]

>>15546006
Why would abiogenesis be a debunk for evolution? Evolution is simply the inheritance of traits and selective pressure such as mating for mammals, if you don't mate for whatever reason, you are not part of the gene pool, hence your traits will get less pronounced as time passes (good riddance).

If I was the creator of some crazy life machine in the universe, I would incorporate evolution in every capacity. Planets vary widely in what kind of parasites can grow on the surface.

[Anonymous No.15621547]

>>15606543
The creation account in the bible is rejected not because what it says, but rather because it was pulled out of someones ass without even the most minimal scrap of evidence. I could invent my own creation myth right now and it would be just as valid as your bible account.

[Anonymous No.15621574]

Evolution debates are so full of retard midwits. Hurr durr everything evolved for a purpose there is no intelligent design. Hurr durr it was all created with intelligent design not evolution. FUCKING RETARDS. YOU ARE SUBJECT TO BOTH OF THESE CONCEPTS YOURSELF. INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR OWN BRAIN, AND IT IS UP TO YOU TO EVOLVE.

[Anonymous No.15621897]

>>15621380
No it doesn't.

God could create the frist life and so long as that life changes through micro variations to produce fitter offspring HINT: You can cause bacteria to do this over days in your house with a simple set up, then evolution is real.

[Anonymous No.15621904]

Tourist here, is anon larping or a genuine retard?

[Anonymous No.15622080]

>>15536557
>>15536559
Wouldn't this just be a disproof of abiogenesis and not evolution? If God created a complete ecosystem of single celled organisms on day, why couldn't evolution take over from there?

[Anonymous No.15622117]

>>15621380
>the theory of evolution says that life sprang into existence out of nothing
That pretty much disqualifies you from having an opinion since you don't even know what evolution or theory of evolution is. How did you even come up with that?

[Anonymous No.15622132]

>>15621574
>INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR OWN BRAIN
What are you even trying to say
>IT IS UP TO YOU TO EVOLVE
Individuals don't evolve

[Anonymous No.15622139]

>>15622080
You're trying to see reason in a bait thread.
But yes. Even if you were to show that abiogenesis is completely impossible (which that article didn't do) it would have nothing to do with biological evolution itself.

[Anonymous No.15622453]

>>15622132
imagine being cucked this hard ;-;

[Anonymous No.15622551]

>>15622453
I'm not your dad so I can't

[Anonymous No.15623295]

>>15536557
Anthropic reasoning defeats all of this gay nonsense before it even started. In order to disprove evolution using a statistical argument you need to have already proven a lower bound for the size of the universe. But for all we know, the whole universe is goriliions of times bigger than the visible universe, if not infinite in size. So all that's needed is for it to be physically possible for these proteins to have randomly collided together for it to be a reasonable explanation. Even if only one in a goriliion gorillion planets has this randomly happen in 109 years, we would still find ourselves on one of them, as would anyone who thinks about such things.

[Anonymous No.15623347]

>>15537865
>Communism is capitalism for Marxists
Huh, not bad

[Anonymous No.15623382]

>>15541231
Lmfao