/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.15529835]

Laika Edition

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Reminder that no man has surpassed the altitude reached by the first animal in orbit

[Anonymous No.15529849]

1st for Elon

[Cult of Passion No.15529853]

>>15529835
>Laika Edition

https://youtu.be/6AVg4Sv4hm4

[Anonymous No.15529861]

>>15529853
cozy

[Anonymous No.15529863]

[Anonymous No.15529865]

>>15529835
>no man has surpassed the altitude reached by the first animal in orbit
Sputnik 2's orbit was higher than the moon?
get a brian moran

[Anonymous No.15529887]

It's me again with another spaceplane design.

I've scrapped my other design based on /sfg/ feedback saying it was too large and required too much infrastructure and having too stringent engine demands.

Now I came up with an idea for a smaller medium lift airbreathing SSTO that uses 4 or 5 SABRE cycle engines adapted to run on methalox, though I've also considered using propalox. The orbiter is roughly the size of a Boeing 777 and has the advantage of eliminating the need for spaceports. Instead of using an ogival delta wing setup like on the space shuttle, I opted for a simple delta wing to both reduce the cost of the heat tiles on the underside, and to allow the use of trailing edge flaps and leading edge slats to slow landing speed enough to use almost any airport in the world. The latter also would allow the orbiter to be used as a hypersonic earth to earth transport.

I opted to put the engines on the orbiter's back between the vertical tail fins and just in front of the elevators. This setup would protect them from re-entry heat, unlike the Skylon design that has them on the wingtips.

I picked the name "Andromeda" both to appeal to the woke crowd (female mythological name), and because, surprisingly, I have not found an existing spacecraft design with that name.

I imagined the vehicle being the de-facto workhorse of the USSF, and having both manned and unmanned versions..

[Cult of Passion No.15529890]

>>15529861
Meh, its actually his worst song, I just posted because its about the doggy.

https://youtu.be/Eu_D5mtrFB8

The war never ended because defeat is for Amerixa!

[Anonymous No.15529915]

>early staging
>op is a faggot
>commie faggot
>spaceplane faggot
already worse than the last thread, RSO jannie pls hit the FTS or deorbit this shit

[Anonymous No.15529924]

>>15529913
>>15529828
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/alain-charmeau-die-amerikaner-wollen-europa-aus-dem-weltraum-kicken-a-1207322.html

Just translate the page, it's accurate. I like to imagine that this was him the whole interview.

[Anonymous No.15529931]

>>15529835
who's a good dog module? yes you are! yest you are!

[Anonymous No.15530062]

>>15529887
>4 or 5 SABRE cycle engines adapted to run on methalox
They rely heavily on the heat capacity of liquid hydrogen to work. Considering how long it's taken to get to a basic demonstration of just the precooler, converting it to anything else may as well be impossible.

[Anonymous No.15530259]

cry of fear

[Anonymous No.15530307]

>>15529835
Reminder that she had a window

[Anonymous No.15530314]

>>15529835
>Semi-major axis is bigger than the apogee
nigga what?

[Anonymous No.15530323]

>>15529835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl0-mkD-G3g
reminder that laika wasn't the first animal in space

[Anonymous No.15530325]

i haven't checked /sfg/ in a few weeks
and now i find out that starship is actually going to hot stage
WTF

[Anonymous No.15530327]

>>15530325
Back to RP-1/LOX next.

[Anonymous No.15530328]

>>15530325
also has any other rocket in history hot staged?

[Anonymous No.15530344]

>>15530328
Tons of them did and still do. Russians/Soviets do it the most, but the US did it as well with rockets like Titan.

[Anonymous No.15530362]

>>15530314
it includes the radius of the earth

[Anonymous No.15530379]

>>15530314
~66 years and still unbeaten

[Anonymous No.15530385]

>>15530379
>highest flying mammal
What do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.15530388]

>>15530385
no man has surpassed her either

[Anonymous No.15530390]

>>15530388
I see. This is one of those contrived USSR achievements then.

[Anonymous No.15530391]

>>15530390
the closest was gemini 11 with 1,368 km
still a whopping 291 km away

[Anonymous No.15530393]

[Anonymous No.15530395]

>>15530379
uh but man went to the moon?

[Anonymous No.15530397]

>>15530379
>>15530388
>>15530391
????

[Anonymous No.15530398]

>>15530391
Dragon went higher

[Anonymous No.15530399]

>>15530391
Your definition is too vague. I don't think "highest flying" can be unambiguously be taken to mean in stable orbit around earth. Do Apollo missions leaving or returning suddenly stop flying above the earth. The moon itself certainly "flies" above the earth.

[Anonymous No.15530402]

>>15530398
Apollo 13 holds the manned altitude flight record at 248,655 miles.

[Anonymous No.15530404]

>apollo

[Anonymous No.15530417]

"flight" implies the ability to produce lift. Thus only the Space Shuttle counts because it is a spaceplane.

[Anonymous No.15530424]

https://www.avio.com/press-release/zefiro-40-firing-test-preliminary-outcome

>Following the recommendation of the Independent Enquiry Commission on VV22, the test was performed to qualify the performance of the motor with a new carbon-carbon material for its nozzle throat

>The new carbon-carbon material showed a nominal performance, closely linked to prediction. However, after 40 seconds into the test, another anomaly was revealed, leading to a reduction in overall pressure performance of the motor before the test completion planned at 97 seconds. This aspect will require further investigation and testing activity to be conducted by Avio and the European Space Agency to ensure optimal performance conditions.

Jesus fucking CHRIST Avio, what the fuck is that QA.

[Anonymous No.15530438]

>>15529924
>SPIEGEL ONLINE: The new "Ariane 6" rocket is scheduled to take off for the first time in July 2020. Can you do that?
>Charmeau: Yes. We're on schedule.
kek, off to a good start

[Anonymous No.15530466]

>>15530395
>>15530397
Laika holds the record for the highest geocentric orbits completed. TLI trajectories are merely partial orbits therefore invalid.
She may also hold the record for the highest inclination orbit, I'll have to check.

[Anonymous No.15530478]

>>15530466
No, another female has the record
>65.09 degrees with the winner being Valentina Tereshkova
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/58168/whats-the-highest-latitude-for-a-human-spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15530485]

>>15530466
Yes, Laika beats Valentina Tereshkova's inclination by 0.24 degrees

[Anonymous No.15530508]

>In May 1972, Krafft Ehricke, Executive Advisor in the Space Division of North American Rockwell Corporation, proposed that the last piloted lunar landing mission, Apollo 17, scheduled for the end of 1972, be postponed until the U.S. Bicentennial in July 1976 and dispatched to a new destination: a geosynchronous orbit (GSO) 22,300 miles above the Earth.
>The Destination Mankind CSM would ignite its Service Propulsion System (SPS) main engine to enter a GSO at 31° east longitude. This would place it over the equatorial nation of Uganda — if the CSM entered an equatorial GSO. The mission's GSO would, however, be inclined 28.5° relative to Earth's equator, so the CSM would oscillate between 28.5° south latitude (over South Africa's east coast) and 28.5° north latitude (southwest of Cairo) and back every 24 hours. The CSM would reach its southern limit at 10 a.m. local time and its northern limit at 10 p.m. local time. This 57°-long stretch of the 31° east longitude line would, Ehricke explained, constitute Destination Mankind's "Afro-Eurasian Station."
>The Destination Mankind CSM and PM would remain at the Afro-Eurasian Station for an unspecified period (perhaps two days), then the astronauts would fire the CSM's SPS to climb to a slightly higher orbit and begin a two-day "drift" westward across the Atlantic to their Panamerican-Pacific Station.
>The last stop on the Destination Mankind crew's world tour would be the 98° east longitude line, which Ehricke dubbed the Australo-Asian Station. They would reach the north point in their south-north oscillation over southern China and the south point over the east Indian Ocean west of Perth.
http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2017/04/geosynchronous-drift-krafft-ehrickes.html
Obviously Apollo 17 was a better use of resources but I like the idea of an orbitally refueled crewed Starship doing this mission

[Anonymous No.15530532]

>>15530508
You need to put something big and shiny enough to be visible from the surface

[Anonymous No.15530544]

>>15530532
that was planned
>Ehricke emphasized the technology objectives of his Destination Mankind mission. He was particularly enamored of a solar illumination experiment that would see a circular reflector assembled by spacewalking astronauts. The experiment would provide reference data for design and operation of future space-based reflectors, he explained. He calculated that a 100-meter reflector in GSO could light Earth's surface one-tenth as brightly as a full Moon in a selected area. This level of illumination, though "subvisual," would be useful for night meteorology and surveillance of border and coastal areas, Ehricke wrote.
>The astronauts would also erect "Manstar," a 500-to-700-foot-diameter reflective balloon visible over a wide area of Earth's surface as a modestly bright star. Ehricke called Manstar "a visible manifestation for all mankind of the potential value of space."

[Anonymous No.15530546]

UAPs are alien craft. It's all but confirmed.

[Anonymous No.15530593]

When is Musk going to do that Starship livestream?

[Anonymous No.15530605]

>>15530593
He did but his host was retarded

[Anonymous No.15530612]

Fact: Starship doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.15530618]

>>15529924
Oh it's this legendary interview
>Charmeau: Let's say we had 10 guaranteed launches per year in Europe and we had a rocket that could be reused ten times - then we would build exactly one rocket per year. That does not make sense. I can't say to my teams: 'Bye, see you next year'!

[Anonymous No.15530628]

>>15530618
+ this gem
>The reason SpaceX are cheaper in the commercial market has nothing to do with reusability.
I'm actually struggling to understand the mental gymnastics required. I actually think these statements might be contradictory.

[Anonymous No.15530632]

https://youtu.be/0-bnaq9BKio

[Anonymous No.15530640]

>>15530632
less than 1 h to stream start
Virgin Galactics first commercial flight I think

[Anonymous No.15530643]

>>15530632
fuck you it's safe

[Anonymous No.15530647]

>>15530643
>billionaire carnival rides under the waves or above the atmosphere
dead
and it's all for our entertainment

[Anonymous No.15530649]

>>15530647
nope

[Anonymous No.15530657]

>rogget expensive because, uh, no gibs!
>but also we would have lots of free labour if we made a reusable rocket, and that would be bad because we need pork.
>use that free labour to build more than one reusable rocket to multiply our launch rate? Nope, we can't build roggets unless we have customers, and we only have 10 guaranteed launches a year, so there's no point.
>scrap ariane 6 and offer decreased prices for prospective prometheus based rogget? well, again, reusability has nothing to do with cost, so we couldn't lower prices.
>anyway, we need more gibs otherwise europe will be kicked out of space!!!

many of these bureaucrats have staked their entire careers on ariane 6 with promises they can't keep, just like certain individuals promised high pork and high capability at low cost for the sls. Once things start to look bad, they get desperate and take the helm (it won't help).

[Anonymous No.15530659]

>>15530647
So when does Jeff Who's carnival ride start again after that little oopsie?

[Anonymous No.15530662]

I wish they stuck with it. obviously if they can just fish it out of the ocean and fly it again that makes more sense to do, but it's hard to match the kino of helicopter catch.

[Anonymous No.15530671]

>>15530662
How to kill chopper pilots with one simple trick

[Anonymous No.15530680]

I cry when I see this statue.
What is mental illness, /sci/entifically speaking?

[Anonymous No.15530682]

L2 had some interesting info about starship hot-staging
>Decision to hot stage was made in late 2022, but didn’t plan on being implemented for a while, hence Booster 9 being modified to support it
>Decision was made to switch B9 to hotstaging right after IFT-1
>NASA HLS admins had no idea about B9 being retrofitted for hotstaging
>APPARENTLY! Booster 7 had anomalies with its staging mechanisms. B7 never made it to MECO, but even if it had, Ship 24 would’ve basically been stuck or something

More info
>Booster 9 rollout in 2-3 weeks
>SpaceX planning 8 starship launches in 2024
>Ship 25 static fire was good

[Anonymous No.15530686]

Do you think it's possible we could see the development of re-usable ballistic missiles?
There appears to be a sort of arms race now between anti-ballistic missile defenses and and short/medium range ballistic missiles.

One way to improve the efficiency for the attacker could be to use a re-usable launcher system most likely with MIRVed warheads to improve attack density.

>It could be single stage with relatively low deltaV and high payload fraction.
>Would need rapid reusability.
>Requirements would favour high density, less toxic and storable propellants.

[Anonymous No.15530688]

>>15530671
expendable chopper pilots

[Anonymous No.15530694]

>>15530682
>8
illegal

[Anonymous No.15530710]

What kind of experiments could they even be doing if they are only going to be in "space" for just a couple of minutes?

[Anonymous No.15530724]

>>15530710
nothing, it's for people with infinite money who want to spend a few minutes floating around, looking at pretty views, and collecting stories to tell at cocktail parties.

[Anonymous No.15530728]

>>15530710
Fuck knows, I didn't even release Virgin was trying to do commercial stuff like this as it seems super fucking pointless.

[Anonymous No.15530735]

>>15530680
A mental illness is simply a disease with mental symptoms or causes.

[Anonymous No.15530740]

>>15530710
If any experiments are being performed that quickly, they would have to be automated, which means the "astronauts" are a joke. Otherwise the experiments are a joke. Either the astronauts or the experiments are a joke, or both.

[Anonymous No.15530744]

>>15530686
Sounds a bit too Dahir Insaat for me. You're gonna have to do it on subs too. Anything else has a return address and won't refurbish shit.

[Anonymous No.15530752]

>>15530710
vomit comet will get you better zero-gee time than the carnival rides, for 1% the price

[Anonymous No.15530753]

>>15530686
No, that doesn't make sense against a credible threat, whose first strike would destroy your launch sites

You'd be better off stockpiling reentry vehicles and interceptors in orbit

[Anonymous No.15530754]

>>15530744
Ships would be a pretty great candidate.

[Anonymous No.15530759]

>>15530753
It wouldn't be for massed strategic strike, but rather a long term, shorter ranged bombardment campaign like we might see in the Pacific or is currently happening in Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.15530762]

>>15530632

[Anonymous No.15530763]

>>15530710
>What will happen on the flight?
>Galactic 01 will carry three crew members from the Italian Air Force and National Research Council of Italy along with an astronaut instructor from Virgin Galactic.
>The 90-minute flight will be suborbital, which means it will reach the edge of space without going into orbit.
>The research crew will conduct 13 experiments examining biomedicine thermo-fluid dynamics and microgravity.
>How will the launch work?
>The spaceplane will be launched in mid-air from a carrier plane at an altitude of about 9.4 miles (15km).
>Its rocket then fires the craft and its crew into sub-orbital space at least 50 miles (80km) above the Earth.
>Passengers will experience five minutes of weightlessness.
Yeah this sounds like some jokers manage to convince their superiors that spending over a million dollars on this was a good idea.

[Anonymous No.15530764]

>>15530694

[Anonymous No.15530770]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-bnaq9BKio

stream started

[Anonymous No.15530776]

>>15530682
>SpaceX planning 8 starship launches in 2024

Im cooming

[Anonymous No.15530777]

>>15530770
death trap

[Anonymous No.15530785]

Altitude dropping, its a scrub. Too many clouds

[Anonymous No.15530786]

>>15530770
cute

[Anonymous No.15530793]

>>15530785
They're building up speed for the zoom climb.

[Anonymous No.15530795]

[Anonymous No.15530803]

>>15530770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4DUWXLt7xE
>the lion's share of this flight will be devoted to the study of the effects of weightlessness on tiny screws.

[Anonymous No.15530804]

[Anonymous No.15530806]

Why are jannies like this

[Anonymous No.15530808]

cringe, these people are treating this little jaunt as a huge deal

[Anonymous No.15530809]

[Anonymous No.15530814]

ignition

[Anonymous No.15530815]

>mach 2.8
sad

[Anonymous No.15530816]

Max-Qute

[Anonymous No.15530817]

estimated apogee 84km

[Anonymous No.15530818]

>has to literally jump to start the science
jesus

[Anonymous No.15530820]

>>15530817
no space for you today

[Anonymous No.15530821]

[Anonymous No.15530822]

>>15530808
You wouldn't go?

[Anonymous No.15530824]

"trained to take in the view"
lmao

[Anonymous No.15530825]

>>15530824
YOU WILL EXPERIENCE THE OVERVIEW EFFECT AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY

[Anonymous No.15530826]

apogee at 85.1km

[Anonymous No.15530828]

>>15530826
Welcome to Notspace, Notastronauts.

[Anonymous No.15530831]

Pretty bumpy ride

[Anonymous No.15530832]

>>15530831
Only way they have to bleed speed is that boom after all. It's bumpy by design.

[Anonymous No.15530833]

MESOKEKS GET OFF MY /SFG/

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.15530835]

imagine still being in the a*mosphere

[Anonymous No.15530836]

Airforce guys grasping the harness. Yeah looks very tourist friendly.

[Anonymous No.15530837]

>>15530835
I don't have to
>sadpepe(2).png

[Anonymous No.15530842]

[Anonymous No.15530844]

>VG has successful launch
>VG stocks fall 8%
I dont understand stocks lmao kill me

[Anonymous No.15530849]

>>15530844
No real business model, no government contracts to speak of. They're dead in the water.

[Anonymous No.15530850]

>>15530836
Compared to New Shepherd which seems to have all of the excitement of an elevator ride to the Karman line I'll take this choppy, civilianized X-15 any day of the week.

Virgin as a company is whatever, but the SpaceShip/White Knight family of platforms are literally dripping with SOVL.
Scaled really outdid themselves with this one.

[Anonymous No.15530852]

>>15530844
Selling because it could be all downhill from here

[Anonymous No.15530853]

with more dv could ss2 do like a 3/4 trip around the globe?

[Anonymous No.15530854]

Why is she using science as a verb

[Anonymous No.15530856]

[Anonymous No.15530859]

>>15530852
Why? They've pulled off a tight cadence and a ~12 flights a year cadence rapes the shit out of Blue Origin.

[Anonymous No.15530861]

>>15530710
CANDIS tests.

[Anonymous No.15530863]

>>15530849
>>15530852

Oh I don't buy stocks, I'm too stupid to understand the market. I just typically see big companies go up in value after a successful event.
They usually go down after some failure or scandal. Not a success.

[Anonymous No.15530864]

>>15530854
It's a neologism from the i hecking love science crowd.

[Anonymous No.15530865]

>>15530859
The market just isn't that big for a carnival ride whether it's Branson or Bezos.

[Anonymous No.15530869]

>>15530864
I hate it so fucking much

[Anonymous No.15530871]

>>15530836
Why not, some people bungee jump off bridges for fun.
Space tourism isn't the average joe's vacation choice just yet.

[Anonymous No.15530874]

>>15530865
>The market just isn't that big for a carnival ride whether it's Branson or Bezos.
You'd be surprised. There is a wait list for BO, even after its last RUD. AFAIK, VG still has a lot of seats that are already claimed from pre-sales years ago.
That's not saying that it'll last for a long time and we all know that once Starship gets going with human rated flights, its game over.

[Anonymous No.15530875]

>>15530853
It can't take the heat from skip-gliding

[Anonymous No.15530878]

>>15530759
>tactical use of ICBMs
Okay, retard

[Anonymous No.15530879]

>>15530874
>There is a wait list
Doesn't matter as long as it's not really profitable.

[Anonymous No.15530881]

>>15530863
Nah, stocks fall on good news all the time. Don't think of investors as people who care about moving resources around for any kind of goal for the world in their eyes, but think of them as gambling addicts who think that literally everything is about "playing the odds".

[Anonymous No.15530883]

>>15530865
My worry is that Branson's other businesses have taken it on the chin so hard over the past decade that he doesn't have the excess cashflow to subsidize Virgin Galactic but I'm holding out hope that he just says "fuck it" and decides to die broke and be known as the commercial spaceflight guy.

It sucks that Paul Allen died, the obvious endgame for Virgin Galactic was to become absorbed by a growing StratoLaunch and become their civilian-oriented public facing company while Roc launches Cygnuses to the ISS etc with a modified F9 copy or whatever. Also sets the stage for a "SpaceShip 3" which gets launched by another Roc and sends a Hermes-sized TSTO spaceplane into orbit for 1-3 day excursions and eventually to longer stints at a private space station.

[Anonymous No.15530885]

>>15530822
No

[Anonymous No.15530888]

>>15530879
That's fair

>>15530881
They do fall on good news, but its down 11% last I checked, which is a big drop when something good happened.
Like I said, I don't fully understand stocks, I guess I'm just proving my point.

[Anonymous No.15530896]

>>15530402
Muh nigga

[Anonymous No.15530900]

>>15530828
the ISS is also still in the earth's atmosphere, they just call it space so they can have a space program

[Anonymous No.15530906]

Russhoids seething they will never have a commercial space industry

[Anonymous No.15530912]

>hot staging starship
LMAO this is retarded. The raptors will churn super heavy's top to the point of structural failure in a few flights. These things are like a giant welding torch.

[Anonymous No.15530924]

>>15530770
gorgeous goddess

[Anonymous No.15530931]

>>15530814
whenever i see this angle i think of the breakup

[Anonymous No.15530937]

>>15530906
the last flight wasnt commercial?

[Anonymous No.15530941]

How many seats does the virgin space plane have? I see an empty one in the back but wasn’t so sure if there were more you couldn’t see in the stream

[Barkun Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15530943]

>>15530941
It will be soon

[Anonymous No.15530953]

Why did they need a rocket plane to get weightless conditions for their experiment? Surely a plane flying sinusoidally, vomit comet, would be much cheaper...

[Anonymous No.15530954]

>A newer design proposal by Rodney L. Clark and Robert B. Sheldon theoretically increases efficiency and decreases complexity of a fission fragment rocket at the same time over the rotating fibre wheel proposal.[2] In their design, nanoparticles of fissionable fuel (or even fuel that will naturally radioactively decay) are kept in a vacuum chamber subject to an axial magnetic field (acting as a magnetic mirror) and an external electric field. As the nanoparticles ionize as fission occurs, the dust becomes suspended within the chamber. The incredibly high surface area of the particles makes radiative cooling simple.
>The axial magnetic field is too weak to affect the motions of the dust particles but strong enough to channel the fragments into a beam which can be decelerated for power, allowed to be emitted for thrust, or a combination of the two.
Technically speaking, could you do the same with a fusion reaction? Channeling the fusion "fragments" for more thrust?

[Anonymous No.15530955]

>>15530954
that's beyond my pay grade

[Anonymous No.15530958]

Some updates on Sierra and Dreamchaser. Sierra wants to make a standalone station based off of its LIFE inflatable module in 2026 before they attach modules to Orbital Reef

https://spacenews.com/sierra-space-describes-long-term-plans-for-dream-chaser-and-inflatable-modules/

>Before offering LIFE for Orbital Reef, though, the company is proposing to launch a standalone “pathfinder” version of LIFE as soon as the end of 2026. That module, he said, would be used for commercial applications, like pharmaceutical and other biotech research.


Also, Sierra is exploring an SSTO variant of a crewed Dreamchaser

>Vice hinted that the company has longer-term plans for Dream Chaser that could possibly allow it to end dependence on other companies’ launch vehicles. “We’re thinking about investigating the right technologies in thermal and propulsion and materials that allows us to potentially think about the staging options that would allow us, for the first time, have horizontal takeoff,” he said. He didn’t offer a schedule for developing that version of Dream Chaser.

[Anonymous No.15530964]

>>15530958
never happening

[Anonymous No.15530968]

>>15530958
does that imply ssto though? to me it reads like they want a stratolaunch style plane or something to carry it up to altitude

[Anonymous No.15530970]

>>15530662
>>15530671
It was a terrible idea. I'm glad they've abandoned it.

[Anonymous No.15530977]

>>15530878
Short-medium range ballistic missiles as I explained.
Thousands of short range and tactical ballistic missiles have been launched in anger over the past 12 months.

In a long industrial war with strategic strike campaigns, the side that can deliver warheads more efficiently is at a big advantage and so the same logic of reducing cost per kilo as the orbital Launch industry could come into play.

[Anonymous No.15530981]

>>15530977
isn't that basically the use case of drones?

[Anonymous No.15530982]

>>15530912
Hopefully it works but this being an interstage that can hold up to three raptors firing inside this inspires zero confidence. Especially with all the problems they’ve had with raptors destroying everything below them

[Anonymous No.15530984]

>>15530826
>>15530828
Do the passengers get a refund?

[Anonymous No.15530988]

>>15530984
No refunds

[Anonymous No.15530991]

>>15530981
Bomber drones are a cheap way to have long range strike capabilities, however there are economical ways to defend against them that take advantage of how slow they are, airborne laser weapons for example.

[Anonymous No.15531003]

>>15530991
>there are economical ways to defend against them that take advantage of how slow they are, airborne laser weapons for example
they'll just fly at very low level and get lost in the ground clutter

[Anonymous No.15531007]

>>15530062

Liquid Methane isn't an efficient coolant?

[the chair nerd No.15531011]

>>15530379
Laika boss

[Anonymous No.15531052]

anyone got some spaceflight hoochie coochie mama pix? i'll go first

[Anonymous No.15531056]

>>15531052
Jessie is fucking mid and I don’t understand the obsession with her. Especially on dvach

[Anonymous No.15531058]

>>15531052
Spoiler that shit. I just vomited.

[Anonymous No.15531076]

I love me some shittily translated dvach comments from time to time.

[Anonymous No.15531078]

>>15531052
Dvach poster spotted

[Anonymous No.15531080]

>>15530968
Dreamchaser DC201 seems too big and heavy for it to be carried by a larger plane, maybe they are thinking of something like the rail launched SSTO that Radian conceptualized

[Anonymous No.15531083]

how's the concrete looking lads

[Anonymous No.15531108]

>>15530912
The vented ring section added to Booster will include shielding.

[Anonymous No.15531119]

>>15530958
>Sierra is exploring an SSTO variant of a crewed Dreamchaser

Air launched, not SSTO.

[Anonymous No.15531132]

>>15531052
would

[Anonymous No.15531143]

>>15530466
Low Lunar orbit is just an extremely high Earth orbit with some extra variables

[Anonymous No.15531149]

>>15531083
have to wait for flyover, i don't think there is an angle from the beach or the road and flying drones around starbase is illegal

[Anonymous No.15531154]

>>15531058
>>15531056
Ok post someone sexier?

[Anonymous No.15531167]

>>15531143
No, the Moon orbits the sun, not the Earth. See picrel

[Anonymous No.15531169]

>>15531167
Now draw your earth orbit from a similar pov. I guess nothing orbits the earth either.

[Anonymous No.15531170]

>>15531154
No that’s off topic

[Anonymous No.15531176]

>>15530953

Vomit comets can get you seconds of continuous weightlessness while SpaceShipTwo and New Shepherd can get you minutes of continuous weightlessness.

[Anonymous No.15531177]

>>15531169
Just read this

[Anonymous No.15531182]

>>15530958
I'm going to cum if Sierra Nevada reveals that they're going to copy MAKS and launch it with StratoLaunch.

[Anonymous No.15531183]

>USA will be the first Nation to land on another PLANET with Artemis
nice

[Anonymous No.15531211]

How do we get normies interested in spaceflight and the accomplishments of the commercial industry?

[Anonymous No.15531212]

>>15530770
did they see stars?

[Anonymous No.15531221]

You can actually survive Vagina Lactate blowing up in space, so why do you bitch about it?

[Anonymous No.15531227]

>>15531177

[Anonymous No.15531229]

>>15531154

[Anonymous No.15531262]

>>15531211
Lower the cost of spaceflight and make space a more tangible thing in their daily lives.

[Anonymous No.15531277]

>>15531211
starlink is a good step, but that doesn't get people interested in spaceflight perhaps, but makes them appreciate rockets and satellites as a technology
I mean the vast majority might not know that a LEO constellation is only possible because partial reuse and cheapness of launch but at least they know its "good internet beamed from space"

[Anonymous No.15531337]

>>15531182
Would be hot

[Anonymous No.15531340]

>>15531007
LH2's cooling capacity is greater, which is why non-LH2 NTP designs have to be gimped so hard on operating temperature.

[Anonymous No.15531341]

>>15531337
MAKS with a dirt cheap Relativity-style 3D printed drop tank (or Starship style backyard welded stainless steel) would be incredibly hot.

[Anonymous No.15531342]

>>15531211
sell them actually useful stuff like space internet
make cool stuff like falcon 9 twin booster landings

basically spacex is doing ok

[Anonymous No.15531373]

Rip vega

[Anonymous No.15531402]

>one of the italian air force guys on today's virgin flight will also be going on an axiom flight to the iss
is the new meta going to be fly suborbital then fly orbital?

[Anonymous No.15531404]

>>15530821
I’m surprised they weren’t wearing the cringe sci fi virgin galactic uniform

[Anonymous No.15531405]

>>15530770
who is this egyptian goddess

[Anonymous No.15531406]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/virgin-galactic-begins-commercial-service/

[Anonymous No.15531408]

>>15531404
>>15531405
nevermind

[Anonymous No.15531409]

>>15531406
>50 mile altitude is space
it just keeps getting lower doesnt it

[Anonymous No.15531411]

>>15531373
>vega
https://europeanspaceflight.com/vega-c-return-to-flight-delayed-after-z40-test-failure/

[Anonymous No.15531412]

Is NYX still happening? Flight by 2026 seems optimistic, especially for a European company

[Anonymous No.15531416]

>>15531412
no

[Anonymous No.15531418]

>>15531409
it dropped to 80km a few years ago

[Anonymous No.15531419]

>>15531412
>European
no

[Anonymous No.15531420]

>>15531418
What? Seriously? Why?
It will always be karman line for me.

[Anonymous No.15531425]

>>15531420
because of our guy

> I have shown that for a typical satellite ballistic coefficient the effective Karman line is close to (within 10km of) 80km independent of solar and atmospheric conditions, rather than the currently popular 100km value; and that historical orbital data for actual artificial satellites confirms that orbiting objects can survive multiple perigees at altitudes around 80–90km. This altitude range is consistent with the highest physical boundary the atmosphere, i.e. the mesopause, and with the 50-mile ‘astronaut wings’ boundary suggested by the United States during the first years of the Space Age.
>On the basis of these physical, technological and historical arguments, I therefore suggest that a value of 80km is a more suitable choice to use as the canonical lower ‘edge of space’ in circumstances where such a dividing line between atmosphere and space is desired.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/32829/why-is-fai-considering-lowering-the-karman-line-to-80km

[Anonymous No.15531428]

>>15531406
https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-completes-first-commercial-spaceshiptwo-suborbital-flight/

[Anonymous No.15531432]

https://payloadspace.com/advanced-navigation-nabs-3-4m-for-lunar-landing-tech/

[Anonymous No.15531433]

>>15531425
This development is completely untenable and unsustainable. Extrapolating from the current rate of lowering the karman line, it will be at sea level before 2500.

[Anonymous No.15531435]

>>15531425
seems like an reasonable argument
but suborbital is suborbital

[Anonymous No.15531439]

>>15531435
nobody said it wasnt suborbital

[Anonymous No.15531446]

https://spacenews.com/space-development-agency-issues-new-solicitation-for-100-satellites/

[Anonymous No.15531448]

>>15531446
it feels like the sda is doing random shit now. i cant keep up with them anymore.

[Anonymous No.15531449]

https://spacenews.com/firefly-to-launch-lockheed-martin-small-satellite-experiment/

[Anonymous No.15531459]

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/06/stop-debating-over-space-weapons-and-prepare-for-conflict-space-force-general/

[Anonymous No.15531466]

>>15531459
based. it's time for space nukes and daily ASAT tests.
make the astrotrannies seethe

[Anonymous No.15531467]

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1674395506066292737

[Anonymous No.15531468]

>>15530912
Is that the loli from chuunibyou demo koi ga shitai?

[Anonymous No.15531469]

>>15531467
https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1674400975321288704

[Anonymous No.15531473]

>>15531459
I still can't take space force seriously, same as everything else trump did

[Anonymous No.15531476]

>>15531473
deranged

[Anonymous No.15531480]

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1674150397257166850

[Anonymous No.15531484]

https://europeanspaceflight.com/vega-c-return-to-flight-delayed-after-z40-test-failure/

[Anonymous No.15531488]

>>15531468
Dekomori.

[Anonymous No.15531489]

>>15531459
its obvious that we dont have space weapons even though russia and china do. sadly we're not building any either. space force doesnt provide combat troops, just customer support.

[Anonymous No.15531519]

List of all and upcoming crewed orbital space vehicles

Current
>Orion
>Dragon
>Soyuz
>Shenzhou

Upcoming
>Orel
>Starliner
>Dreamchaser DC-201
>Rocket Lab Neutron crewed capsule
>Nyx
>Starship crew/HLS
>Gaganyaan
>Unamed Chinese vehicle

Lots of new vehicles, will there be enough destinations in LEO and demand for all of these vehicles to exist?

[Anonymous No.15531521]

Only exochads are true spacers

[Anonymous No.15531524]

>>15531519
sputnik & Laika > all of them

[Anonymous No.15531534]

>>15531412
>European
Yes. We have the powerpoint down at bordeaux right now. We have all the countries subcontracted, ready to milk it for every euro it’s worth. Nyx is real

[Anonymous No.15531537]

>>15531176
also the altitude so you can say you've been to SPESS!

[Anonymous No.15531542]

>>15531519
nyx? wtf
pretty cool though, I hope there is going to be competition here soon too

[Anonymous No.15531543]

>>15531521
>stratocels
nice

[Anonymous No.15531544]

>>15531519
I like how starship is the only realistic vehicle on the upcoming list lol. Wouldn’t have thought that three years ago.
Also as much as I hate it I would be fine putting starliner in “current”. This is definitely arguable but I’m willing to cut boeing slack here

[Anonymous No.15531567]

>>15531432

[Anonymous No.15531568]

[Anonymous No.15531569]

>>15531467
because "Vega" is Spanish for "it doesn't go"

[Anonymous No.15531570]

cosy af

[Anonymous No.15531571]

>>15531519
>Orion
>current
hasn't yet flown a crew, it's as under-developed as Starliner or Dreamchaser

[Anonymous No.15531582]

>>15531570
People need to learn the difference between cramped and cozy. Pic related is cozy. Yours is claustrophobic and smells like feet and farts.

[Anonymous No.15531584]

>>15531569
No, that's Nova.

[Anonymous No.15531585]

>>15531584

[Anonymous No.15531597]

[Anonymous No.15531598]

>>15531459
All the big players already have space based weaponry but are doing the game of pretend.

[Anonymous No.15531609]

Anyone got a qrd on this new blade runner game? I didn’t even know this game was in the works

[Anonymous No.15531623]

>>15531484
>second stage failed again

Never buy Ukrainian.

[Anonymous No.15531636]

Starliner is better than Dragon. Rape me

[Anonymous No.15531638]

>>15531636
it hasn't even flown humans yet

[Anonymous No.15531641]

>>15531638
But it has flown

[Anonymous No.15531645]

>>15531638
hasn't it?

[Anonymous No.15531697]

>>15531542
Nyx is some newspace capsule from Europe, made by The Exploration Company

They have millions of euros in funding but dont plan to have a capsule in service till 2026

[Anonymous No.15531703]

>>15531697
Something about this feels very 2000s to me

[Anonymous No.15531709]

>>15530906
>>15530906
dub thee gay space, the lamest space tourism known to man. Can't wait for the starship decade

[Anonymous No.15531710]

>>15531645
I thought OFT-1 was the one that fucked up hard and they brought it down early, then OFT-2 was an unmanned redo and things went better, it docked and undocked from ISS. If it's flown a demo crew I don't remember.

[Anonymous No.15531711]

I saw my first Starlink train this morning and somebody still thought it was aliens. I wonder what third worlders and below think when they see it.

[Anonymous No.15531712]

>>15531711
>somebody still thought it was aliens
I hope you struck them upside their head.

[Anonymous No.15531719]

>>15531609
It takes place between the older and newer movie. It looks interesting but I haven't heard anything about it either. I hope it has some nice spaceship porn

[Anonymous No.15531724]

>>15530424
>>15531411
In the industry, that's called an "observation"

[Anonymous No.15531732]

>>15531719

[Anonymous No.15531735]

>>15530328
Sometimes I wonder if people even have any interest at all in spaceflight if they have to ask these completely retarded questions.

[Anonymous No.15531736]

>>15531636
I would never put dick inside someone who likes boeing.
To the meat grinder you go

[Anonymous No.15531738]

>>15531473
That sounds like a (you) problem

[Anonymous No.15531740]

>>15531519
Gaganyaan will have demand because India

[Anonymous No.15531741]

>>15531736
what would it be like to fall into a huge [hypothetical] olympic-sized swimming pool full of UDMH or NTO or whatever. Like what exactly would do you in first? And how quickly? Everyone acts like a single atom will kill you

[Anonymous No.15531744]

>>15531229
I wish she was real and I could fuck her inside a starship

[Anonymous No.15531793]

>>15531736
you would probably die

[Anonymous No.15531805]

Why does Russia still use Soyuz?

Also, are there any updates on Soyuz 5 and Orel?

[Anonymous No.15531822]

>>15531805
They've tried others, but the newer rocket had high failure rate.

[Anonymous No.15531837]

>>15531805
They have no money and incredible brain drain

[Anonymous No.15531863]

Ariane 7, lol

[Anonymous No.15531885]

[Anonymous No.15531926]

>>15531863
Is "expandable" supposed to be "expendable"?
I hate the French so much it's unreal.

[Anonymous No.15531931]

the most exiting time in spaceflight
the most boring time in spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15531935]

>>15531885
>two of these companies
RL and...?
EVTOLs are a meme, Astra is a meme, Virgin is a meme

[Anonymous No.15531953]

>>15531931
exiting from what?

[Anonymous No.15531956]

>>15531953
exciting

[Anonymous No.15531957]

>>15531956
excited for what?

[Anonymous No.15531958]

>>15531957
exiting, presumably from all those holes he's boring

[Anonymous No.15531975]

I want to fuck jissie

[Anonymous No.15531992]

going into space ship

[Anonymous No.15531997]

>>15531805
thought that was a frog and two soγjacks
what has this place done to me

Anyways they're still using bαseduz because russia cannot create anything; they have been coasting off of Soviet inventions for 3 decades and all of that Soviet era stuff comes from non-russian minds. e.g Korolev and Glushko were from non-russian areas, geographically AND ethnically. It's actually astonishing to look through Soviet history and realise the only noteworthy commies from modern day russia were known almost exclusively for plundering, mass murder, and various war crimes.

Nearly all of the intellectuals came from places like:
Ukraine: BOTH Glushko & Korolev
Belarus: Pavel Sukhoi (as in every aircraft named Sukhoi-##)
Armenia: Artem Mikoyan (head of and main designer for Mig aircraft)
etc ad infinitum.
It's less about brain drain and more about russians being clinically braindead by default. I hold no hatred for Soviet accomplishments, but russia is full of nothing but genetically engineered subhuman retard slaves, and is responsible for 90% of the problems plaguing slavic countries.

[Anonymous No.15532003]

>>15531997
what could a post soviet ukrainian space program have looked like in an alternate timeline?
would it ever have gotten off the ground or was the economy too small in the wake of the soviet union collapse

[Anonymous No.15532013]

>>15532003
yeah economy too weak and also being turbo-fucked by foreign politics
As well as all of the post-Soviet nations suffered brain drain; in russia's case it was basically an exodus of every human with an IQ over 80 but Ukraine actually had a large number of scientists poached by the west as soon as the iron curtain fell.

As far as foreign relations go, here's something you might not have known: "The former Soviet Union had its nuclear program expanded to only four of its republics: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine. After the USSR's dissolution in 1991, Ukraine became the third largest nuclear power in the world and held about one third of the former Soviet nuclear weapons, delivery systems, and significant means of its design, knowledge, and production. Ukraine inherited about 130 UR-100N intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) with six warheads each, 46 RT-23 Molodets ICBMs with ten warheads apiece, as well as 33 heavy bombers, totaling approximately 1,700 nuclear warheads remaining in Ukrainian territory."

So how did the west treat this? NATO essentially bullied them into giving it all back to russia. absolutely fucking insane. and yea I copied that from wikipedia but it's if anything toned down from how much they really got shit-on.

[Anonymous No.15532026]

>>15531719
Have some more OC

[Anonymous No.15532031]

exif data always messes everything up

[Anonymous No.15532036]

oh my god mack crawford is an ugly man

[Anonymous No.15532040]

>>15531732
this has to be the guy that did the cover art for the ender books

[Anonymous No.15532055]

>>15532040
Apparently it’s some artist from ID software who just wanted to make a throwback style book cover for fun

[Anonymous No.15532082]

>>15531719

[Anonymous No.15532265]

>>15531885
so archer and joby are EVTOLcompanies (passenger drones)
Astra everyone knows, virgin galactic just had a launch I guess
Rocket Lab seems to be doing well, or as well as you would expect someone years behind the leader but still competent

>>15531935
I mean it could be any of them, all 4 seem to be pretty much as unlikely to actually accomplish great things

[Anonymous No.15532270]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPMMlZFwypc

[Anonymous No.15532272]

>>15531711
>see starlink train passing and tell someone to come and look at it
>they are shocked and ask what it is
>i tell them its a string of satellites called starlink
>show them a youtube video of them being launched and footage that looks exactly like what we observed in the sky
>them:huh
>5 minutes pass
>them: i wonder what that was, maybe aliens
>me:yeah...maybe
>start feeling like i dont want to live on this planet anymore

[Anonymous No.15532273]

that seems pretty fucking thick

[Anonymous No.15532275]

>>15532273
human head for scale

[Anonymous No.15532276]

[Anonymous No.15532278]

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1674572083647619076

[Anonymous No.15532281]

>>15532272
you were simply talking to a dumb person, or someone who wasn't listening to anything you said (zoned out immediately)

[Anonymous No.15532288]

>>15532275
Holy balls is that a fucking tap

[Anonymous No.15532292]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-to-launch-european-astronomy-mission/

[Anonymous No.15532293]

>>15531182
MAKS be like

[Anonymous No.15532296]

https://spacenews.com/vega-c-suffers-setback-in-return-to-flight-effort/

[Anonymous No.15532299]

>>15531805
Soyuz 5 is dead.

[Anonymous No.15532302]

https://payloadspace.com/edgybees-american-hive-is-buzzing-officials-say/

integrating data from satellites, drones and aircraft in real time

[Anonymous No.15532305]

>>15532278
Looks like Mr. Tweet killed opening Tweets without login. Don't have to bother with that garbage then.

[Anonymous No.15532310]

>>15532305
Same feels desu

[Anonymous No.15532338]

>>15532305
you will make a twitter handle and be happy

[Anonymous No.15532352]

>>15532270
https://twitter.com/StarshipGazer/status/1674512741619630080

[Anonymous No.15532354]

https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4072928-boeings-starliner-struggles-vindicate-space-competition/

[Anonymous No.15532356]

>>15532305
Nitter still works.
https://nitter.net/Starlink/status/1674572083647619076

[Anonymous No.15532365]

>>15532272
It was a girl wasn't it

[Anonymous No.15532371]

>>15532272
haha wow, time to go to bed angry

[Anonymous No.15532389]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674678484780580864

[Anonymous No.15532405]

>>15531885
not entirely on topic, but just came over this randomly, maybe its rocketlab + joby

https://electrek.co/2023/06/28/joby-aviation-first-evtol-production-line-faa-certified-test-flights/

video
https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/06/B-Roll-Production-Prototype-Joby-Aviation.mp4

[Anonymous No.15532430]

>>15532389
so the phrase which is commonly used in astrology is basically saying astrology is bullshit? Cool, I'll tell this to my sister

[Anonymous No.15532466]

>>15532302
Anduril is already doing this and they're not jewish

[Anonymous No.15532469]

>>15532389
ChatGPT wrote that, follows its usual patterns

[Anonymous No.15532470]

>>15532466
True. Anduril is pure MIC.

[Anonymous No.15532471]

>>15532470
Anduril is better than the established MIC as their mission is not to cost+contract into trillion dollar company range but get there by just being good
I can't wait until they grow so big they start making planes

[Anonymous No.15532480]

>>15531741
>NTO
you get nitrated into nitroglycerin and various other assorted explosives, if you don't just start burning in a runaway nitration
NTO vapors are about as deadly as say, chlorine gas or HCl
>UDMH
I don't know

[Anonymous No.15532489]

>>15531741
>NTO
>Highly toxic
>UDMH
>Highly toxic
How about you take a wild guess?

[Anonymous No.15532511]

Reminder that we were robbed of the NTO Martian icecap timeline

[Anonymous No.15532521]

[Anonymous No.15532523]

>>15532352
Is that shit solid steel with holes drilled into it? Milling bros, are we back?

[Anonymous No.15532552]

>>15532523
thick steel plates welded together with holes drilled through , not one absolutely massive block of steel

[Anonymous No.15532553]

[Anonymous No.15532559]

wew

[Anonymous No.15532576]

[Anonymous No.15532608]

>>15531997
>thought that was a frog and two soγjacks
I definitely saw the memefrog there.
>and all of that Soviet era stuff comes from non-russian minds
Are we sure they didn't actually evolve from bears? That actually might explain a few things.

[Anonymous No.15532616]

>>15532354

[Anonymous No.15532617]

>>15532489
It would be extremely painful

[Anonymous No.15532627]

>>15532082
Still need to work on my color grading. Haven’t found a consistent work flow that gets me a good result every time

[Anonymous No.15532638]

>>15531926
Yes, anglos never misspell anything.
In their own language.

[Anonymous No.15532654]

>>15531997
>russians being clinically braindead
They aren't born that way (excluding FAS), they mostly kill their braincells with vodka to endure life in russia.
Nevertheless there have been some exceptional russian intellectuals, but they tend to do everything in their power to avoid russian people & society if they don't outright leave the country. Case in point: Konstantin Tsiolkovsky

[Anonymous No.15532658]

space may be the final frontier but it's an artists rendition

[Anonymous No.15532660]

>>15532654
well the soviets tended to execute anybody that came up with theories that went against the party orthodoxy opinion
kind of dampens the motivation to come up with actually new or groundbreaking if it has the chance to get you imprisoned or executed

[Anonymous No.15532671]

>>15532658
What do you mean

[Anonymous No.15532672]

>>15532660
You had to do some bad things after Stalin to get executed. Wrong think was rarely enough. There were plenty of ostracizion steps before that.

[Anonymous No.15532693]

>>15532405
It seems Joby is one of the bigger eVTOL companies, but as an outsider, it feels like a bubble bigger than the small rocket bubble and each of these dozens of companies acts like they're the only one doing it. I've never seen an earnest comparison between these companies, or between them and standard helicopters.

[Anonymous No.15532705]

>>15532617
you're a big guy

[Anonymous No.15532718]

>>15532693
helicopters are noisy and dangerous, these might not be as noisy and dangerous but they are still going to be noisy and present a danger flying over roads and buildings etc
I haven't looked into it almost at all, but there was a cnbc video about drone delivery and why they haven't really become a thing yet, and there was a big problem due to regulation and safety of autonomous flying drones going over houses and roads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMqbj4Kj-z0

also when you think about the business case for these drone-like semilow range EVTOL
what is it? why would I use this instead of a taxi or something? to go from one high rise to another in a city? doesn't really seem like a big market and the value proposition is saving like some minutes (or maybe more if there is a lot of traffic)
maybe these could replace some helicopter applications but that is very niche

[Anonymous No.15532721]

>>15532718
>what is it? why would I use this instead of a taxi or something?
There is a lot of traffic in big cities. Reliability is a much bigger factor here than with our tunneling front. Though nothing much seems to be happening there.

[Anonymous No.15532745]

Back to back CRS splashdown and Euclid launch upcoming

[Anonymous No.15532760]

>>15532469
More like verboseGPT. it's way too fucking wordy and i hate it

[Anonymous No.15532764]

>>15532718
Archer and Joby's homepages both depict commercial service from Manhattan to NYC airports. There's gotta be a little demand there from upper class businessmen who are above (no pun intended) getting there by road or subway, but it seems like it'd be so low volume (even if they could clear the airspace for unlimited aircraft) that it wouldn't be worth the investment. I agree they might work as a niche helicopter replacement, but the bubble is hoping for commercial service.

[Anonymous No.15532776]

>>15530379
reentry from such a high orbit must've been distressing for the dog

[Anonymous No.15532782]

Reminder that ramjet tipped helicopters are a few time more reliable than classic helicopters. This is because ramjet engines have no moving parts and are more reliable than gas turbines, and second ramjet tipped helicopters require no tail rotor.

[Anonymous No.15532785]

[Anonymous No.15532813]

>>15532782
>>15532785
Autogyro ramjet tiltrotor craft when

[Anonymous No.15532816]

>>15532776
yes, it cooked alive if I remember correctly, or suffocated in orbit already

[Anonymous No.15532820]

>>15532782
> the extraordinary fuel consumption of the ramjets made the helicopter uneconomical to operate; flight time and range were quite limited, making the helicopter unattractive for commercial or military use. Finally, the ramjets were incredibly loud: during testing, complaints were filed by people living over 5 kilometers away from the test site.

[Anonymous No.15532825]

>>15532820
Damn

[Anonymous No.15532839]

>>15532776
Laika died inside the radiation belt after about 4 orbits

[Anonymous No.15532847]

>>15532292
Europe itself is an embarrassing situation.

[Anonymous No.15532849]

is there a picture of the Canada wildfires from space?

[Anonymous No.15532852]

>>15532430
lol, this guy is about to find out that some people interpret "unfalsifiable" to mean true

[Anonymous No.15532853]

>>15532852
can you prove it's not?

[Anonymous No.15532857]

>>15532852
go back to your pink stones faggot

[Anonymous No.15532860]

Dragon deorbit, reentry, and splashdown successful. Recovery underway

[Anonymous No.15532861]

>>15532638
>thinks anyone hates the French because of misspellings
They're a bunch of goldbricking Europe-ruiners. That they want to build a worthless rocket using outdated technology to justify a meaningless jobs program in the name of national independence when France has no independence and is already not a nation is so essentially French that a photo of this shit rocket should be their flag.

I would wish that all French be cast into Hell, but they are already in France.

[Anonymous No.15532868]

>>15532857
reading comprehension level: dog shit
try again, retard

[Anonymous No.15532869]

>>15532852
true things are certainly unfalsifiable

[Anonymous No.15532872]

>>15532869
ever heard of the scientific method?
nothing is "true"

[Anonymous No.15532877]

>>15532872
is anything "false"

[Anonymous No.15532883]

>>15532869
Yes, if you understand the actual world to be the only possible world. If there are other ways the world could be, there are some accidental truths that don't hold in every possible world.

For something true to be falsifiable there simply needs to be a possible world (not this world) in which there's evidence showing it to be false.

It's worth considering that there being only one possible world is not consistent with natural language descriptions of possibilities or common sense reasoning about counterfactuals.

[Anonymous No.15532895]

>>15532857
The point is that the aphorism implies astrology is unfalsifiable, and the poster interprets this as meaning astrology is bullshit, but his sister, the kind of person who already happily accepts unfalsifiable astrological claims as truth, will take this to mean that her beliefs are not merely true, but irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.15532896]

>>15528689
FUCK anisotrophy

[Anonymous No.15532897]

>>15532896
growth in some directions more than others?

[Anonymous No.15532898]

>>15531449
>A Lockheed Martin spokesperson told SpaceNews the company continues to work with ABL. “We still have our agreement with ABL and are assisting with their return to flight. While ABL works toward their next flight, we have launch requirements to meet for our tech demos. We look forward to working with Firefly to meet those needs.”
ABLists on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.15532899]

>>15532872
>nothing is "true"
That's not true.

[Anonymous No.15532905]

>>15532272
You should've punched them at that point.

[Anonymous No.15532906]

>>15532849

[Anonymous No.15532909]

https://twitter.com/Phrankensteyn/status/1674431592855670787

thread comparing the costs of different propellants assuming they have to be synthesized, which might well happen in the future (fossil fuels banned)
full methalox two-stage rocket propellant would be about 50% more energy to produce than full hydrolox or methalox first stage/ hydrolox second stage if you want to launch 30t to jupiter

for LEO launches the energy difference is about 20-30% (which doesn't directly translate to cost though as there are things like storage and transportation, the cost of the rocket itself might be larger with hydrogen due to more difficult handling)
I would say its pretty difficult to say which will become more economical in the long run

[Anonymous No.15532911]

>>15532877
yes, most things

>>15532899
there is only false and yet to be proven false (held to be correct)
nothing is true, nothing can be true, there is only an ideal of true

[Anonymous No.15532913]

>>15532909
Propalox rocket fucking when

[Anonymous No.15532915]

>>15532909
>fossil sourcing
braindead retard

[Anonymous No.15532918]

>>15532909
What is this horse shit. Surely syngas would be allowed.

[Anonymous No.15532930]

>>15532918
>syngas
why would it? assuming you don't want to take any fossil fuels out of the ground anymore, only take CO2 or waste and turn it into methane, or electrolyze water for hydrogen

>>15532915
?

[Anonymous No.15532932]

>>15530844
Buy the rumor, sell the news.
It’s mainly for people looking to make a quick buck trading, not for long term stock holders.

Essentially you buy in early, then let hype/rumors/marketing carry the stock upwards.
Then you dump on the news.
If it’s particularly good news that generates even more hype, then you can just hold on to your stock a little longer.
If it’s mediocre news, you can just dump.
You’re just here to let hype/marketing do the work for you. No overthinking on anything.

[Anonymous No.15532933]

>>15529835
>Laika
Impressive for /an/ but do you think we will ever take our doggos to mars or anywhere else but leo?

[Anonymous No.15532938]

>>15532909
>fossil fuels banned
Maybe in yuro

[Anonymous No.15532939]

>>15532933
KOTS
IN
SPESS!

[Anonymous No.15532945]

>>15532939
I don't want to hear coping 250k miles from earth is 250k miles try putting that on a shitbox at once.

[Anonymous No.15532948]

>>15532938
this is in the relatively far future, not tomorrow
after everything else is electrified (through renewables or nuclear), rockets and planes will be the few applications left (and even planes can be electrified for shorter flights) using fossil fuels

[Anonymous No.15532952]

>>15531211
Sponsor a slew of media romanticizing space folks doing space things on the frontier.
Make Space Westerns the new dominant genre in media.
Capeshit delenda est.

[Anonymous No.15532958]

>>15532906
They all emerge at once from nothing... that looks like coordinated arson

[Anonymous No.15532963]

>>15532883
I'm a redneck and totally understood all the abstract shit you just wrote

[Anonymous No.15532964]

>>15532930
I thought synthetic gas would imply air capture. Can't keep up with the terminology. p2x then.

[Anonymous No.15532973]

>>15532911
>yes, most things

you can just take any false statement and invert it and it's true, meaning there's an equal amount of false and true statements. For example consider the following untrue statement
>Obama is president
just invert it to make it true
>Obama is not president

[Anonymous No.15532978]

>>15532938
It will be enacted as cope for total economic failure of Ariane.

[Anonymous No.15532981]

>>15532973
well perhaps it would be more accurate to say there are a lot of false statements, but even more statements that aren't even false, i.e. they are incoherent or unfalsifiable which is even worse than just being false
nothing can be proven to be true, that is not how the scientific method works
some things can be proven to be untrue or false, most things can't even pass that bar (not even wrong)

[Anonymous No.15532984]

>>15532981
what about Goedel's incompleteness theorem

[Anonymous No.15532989]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFXOP0i8u6A

[Anonymous No.15533002]

>>15532984
irrelevant in this case, its about some statements not being provable (can be proven to be true) within some axiomatic system
nothing can be proven to be true in science, only proven to be false
usually this is in some edge case and not like the theory is completely false in every respect, but with early scientific theories I think that happened too, an example would be newtons formulation of gravity being an approximation of general relativity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtonian_limit

[Anonymous No.15533008]

>>15532933
beat her first

[Anonymous No.15533011]

>>15532933
>take our doggos to mars
we already did

[Anonymous No.15533016]

>>15532906
thanks
>>15532958
threes will sometimes just spontaneously ignite

[Anonymous No.15533022]

>>15532909
hydrolox chads can't stop winning
>The Malian discovery was vivid evidence for what a small group of scientists, studying hints from seeps, mines, and abandoned wells, had been saying for years: Contrary to conventional wisdom, large stores of natural hydrogen may exist all over the world, like oil and gas—but not in the same places. These researchers say water-rock reactions deep within the Earth continuously generate hydrogen, which percolates up through the crust and sometimes accumulates in underground traps. There might be enough natural hydrogen to meet burgeoning global demand for thousands of years, according to a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) model that was presented in October 2022 at a meeting of the Geological Society of America.
https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-hydrogen-earth-may-hold-vast-stores-renewable-carbon-free-fuel

[Anonymous No.15533023]

>>15533022
I'll believe it when someone digs a hole and hydrogen starts coming out

[Anonymous No.15533026]

>>15533023
>In 2012, he recruited Chapman Petroleum to determine what was coming out of the borehole. Sheltered from the 50°C heat in a mobile lab, Brière and his technicians discovered that the gas was 98% hydrogen. That was extraordinary: Hydrogen almost never turns up in oil operations, and it wasn’t thought to exist within the Earth much at all.
You were saying? :^)

[Anonymous No.15533037]

>>15533026
time to start drilling then.

[Anonymous No.15533038]

[Anonymous No.15533043]

[Anonymous No.15533055]

So when is the starship spaces happening?

[Anonymous No.15533065]

>>15532933
no, dogs are horrible creatures that seep your time, money and energy away

[Anonymous No.15533070]

[Anonymous No.15533083]

reminder that Russia stole our satellites and sabotaged our Mars rover mission

[Anonymous No.15533106]

[Anonymous No.15533117]

[Anonymous No.15533148]

>>15532933
That's not the real Apollo 13. Where's Tom Cruise? It's like the fakers aren't even trying.

[Anonymous No.15533154]

https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/07/spacex-starship-startups-future/

[Anonymous No.15533167]

>>15533154
Didn't Handmer say as much years ago https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/10/29/the-spacex-starship-is-a-very-big-deal/

[Anonymous No.15533174]

[Anonymous No.15533181]

>>15533154
>paywall
Anyway, I think many startups founded this decade have been assuming this. Gravitics with big station modules, K2 with big satellites, and Stoke emphasizing full reusability from the start. By their nature though, we'd be lucky seeing one of the above succeeding. I wish more of the 2010s newspace companies would come around to it.

[Anonymous No.15533202]

Meanwhile in England...

[Anonymous No.15533204]

[Anonymous No.15533244]

https://youtu.be/6jq3VIHyEn0
EPIC TRICK

[Anonymous No.15533273]

>The spacecraft consisted of two modules, a crew cabin called the Descent Module (DM) and an ejectable Service Module (SM) for any systems that weren’t needed for re-entry and the DM’s splash-landing on Earth. This is the arrangement of many capsule-based designs, built or merely proposed, but the MRC was unusual in that the SM was considerably smaller than the capsule (796 kilograms, versus an unfuelled mass of 6204kg for the latter) and mounted on the nose of the DM instead of its tail. The SM’s low mass did mean that the MRC would not have had much maneuvering capability while in orbit.
>After launch the capsule would have held four to six astronauts, or none at all if the mission didn’t need a human touch. One of the latter type would have been docking with the upcoming US Space Station Freedom for use as an escape capsule if the station had to be evacuated. BAe specifically positioned this as the MRC’s first role, hoping that a go-ahead from NASA would overcome Hermes’ momentum, or at least get the MRC developed in conjunction with the spaceplane. British Aerospace sweetened the pot further by making the DM reusable (the SM was to have been expendable) and proposing to build a full MRC for a relatively inexpensive US$183 million—after adjustments for inflation, comparable to an Apollo CSM.
https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/sidebar-the-multi-role-capsule/
http://www.astronautix.com/m/multi-rolercoverycapsule.html

[Anonymous No.15533328]

https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2023/06/22/what-were-learning-about-trappist-1/

>The results are almost perfectly consistent with a blackbody made of bare rock and no atmosphere to circulate the heat.

Trappists a,b,c have no atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15533331]

>6-8 weeks away
>6-8 weeks pass
>6-8 weeks away
This will never end.

[Anonymous No.15533345]

>>15532820
sounds good I'll take twenty

[Anonymous No.15533346]

>>15533331
It will be 6-8 weeks away for another 6-8 weeks.

[Anonymous No.15533357]

>>15533022
Oh great now we are gonna burn up all the oxygen.

[Anonymous No.15533365]

how do we get updates now that both Twitter and nitter are kill

[Anonymous No.15533372]

>>15533365
Subscribe to the /sfg/ newsletter

[Anonymous No.15533377]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDlqZh9fdgs

[Anonymous No.15533378]

>>15533377
cleavage

[Anonymous No.15533390]

>>15533377
ben franklin interview

[Anonymous No.15533401]

>>15533377
I doubt she can handle the autism. This is not your run of the mill space fan.

[Anonymous No.15533410]

>>15533401
he is trying to dumb it down using simple analogies
for example explaining the momentum of propellant in the stages when the speed decreases like water in a bucket would jump up if you did an emergency stop in a elevator holding the bucket of water

[Anonymous No.15533412]

>>15533377
She has those psycho eyes.

[Anonymous No.15533428]

[Anonymous No.15533435]

>>15533412
>tits out on camera
>traditionally masculine hat
>traditionally masculine interest area (space)
That bitch is in desperate need of a good fuck.

[Anonymous No.15533444]

Soichisan where are you going?

[Anonymous No.15533445]

>>15532849
*Quebec wildfires

[Anonymous No.15533450]

>>15532958
it's the wind picking up

[Anonymous No.15533457]

[Anonymous No.15533461]

>>15533445
QUEBEC MON PAYS

[Anonymous No.15533473]

>>15532849
why don't you jfgi

[Anonymous No.15533499]

>>15533473

[Anonymous No.15533525]

Today i will remind them.

[Anonymous No.15533537]

>>15533525
Mercedes is an unreliable money pit

[Anonymous No.15533558]

>>15533444
wow i love that image

[Anonymous No.15533584]

>>15533537
Fitting vehicle for starliner

[Anonymous No.15533604]

[Anonymous No.15533606]

Mercedes lunar terrain vehicle proposal for Artemis V

[Anonymous No.15533609]

>>15533606
incredibly potent bait

[Anonymous No.15533611]

>>15533606
>0G-Wagon g wagon g wagon g wagon

[Anonymous No.15533616]

>>15533606

[Anonymous No.15533618]

>>15533606
like the inflatable architecture

[Anonymous No.15533626]

https://twitter.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1674691260723122176

[Anonymous No.15533628]

https://twitter.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1674703916125261824

[Anonymous No.15533630]

https://twitter.com/debapratim_/status/1674686736155422721

[Anonymous No.15533632]

>>15533630
https://twitter.com/TirthaChakraba2/status/1571500842641129473

apparently not first look after all

[Anonymous No.15533633]

https://twitter.com/TirthaChakraba2/status/1674810424880164866

> The Small Satellite Launch Vehicle (SSLV) is a small-lift launch vehicle developed by ISRO with payload capacity to deliver 500 kg (1,100 lb) to low Earth orbit (500 km (310 mi)) or 300 kg (660 lb) to Sun-synchronous orbit (500 km (310 mi))[7] for launching small satellites, with the capability to support multiple orbital drop-offs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Satellite_Launch_Vehicle

[Anonymous No.15533635]

What was he talking about when he wrote this?

[Anonymous No.15533642]

>>15533444
fake af

[Anonymous No.15533663]

EARTHER (derogatory)

[Anonymous No.15533667]

>>15533663

[Anonymous No.15533668]

https://twitter.com/dikkosan/status/1674636062470324225

[Anonymous No.15533669]

>>15533026
The human spirit yearns to jump craters in a lunarbike while listening to fleetwood mac

[Anonymous No.15533675]

Now that the dust has settled, was this real or a forgery?

[Anonymous No.15533676]

>>15533669
Uriah Heep

[Anonymous No.15533682]

>>15533635
The FAA.

[Anonymous No.15533754]

>>15533675
I want to believe.

[Anonymous No.15533846]

>>15533669
Crushing 14 cold ones and finding the keys still in the lunar rover bike

[Anonymous No.15533862]

>>15533377
chris chan

[Anonymous No.15533865]

>>15533328
trappist a is the star you midwit

[Anonymous No.15533881]

>>15531211
Given that interest on lunar exploration died after Apollo 11 and only Apollo 13 managed to capture that again, I think it an actually impossible feat unless space becomes tied to their lives (in an obvious way, satellite stuff doesn't count for example)

[Anonymous No.15533884]

>>15533328
D and E are the ones that people think are in the habitable zone. They're probably bare rock too, but those are the ones people are excited for.

[Anonymous No.15533892]

>>15533884
I think F is on the edge too
I'll hold some hope because it's only the 2 closest planets to the star, but I think the result will be positive regardless of the result:
>If they have atmosphere, it means there are planets easily detectable and good for life/colonization around the many red dwarfs
>If they don't, it means we can exclude all red dwarfs from the search and we have a much narrower list of stars to study

[Anonymous No.15533904]

>>15533881
people intuitively knew they were being lied to so they've lost interest quickly

[Anonymous No.15533909]

>>15533904
can't tell if humorous comment or /x/ tourist

[Anonymous No.15533930]

>>15532877
everything is false by default
scientific method is to make it less false

[Anonymous No.15533931]

How do you explain how weird orbital mechanics are to non-spaceflight fans in a way that makes sense to them?

[Anonymous No.15533938]

>>15533931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am7EwmxBAW8

[Anonymous No.15533964]

>>15533931
KSP

There's nothing weird about orbital mechanics, it's about as natural as water or electricity. It doesn't go against human intuition like quantum mechanics, it's completely logical and fairly simple when thinking about 2-body systems.

[Anonymous No.15534019]

Page 10, staging:
>>15534017
>>15534017
>>15534017
>>15534017

[Anonymous No.15534069]

>>15533931
Show them the movie Gravity and then tell them that IT'S ALL WRONG. YOU CAN'T JUST DRIVE BETWEEN ORBITS LIKE IT'S A STREET.

[Anonymous No.15534328]

>>15533931
Outer Wilds, it's onsale

[Anonymous No.15534392]

>>15533884
2 rocky planets in the habitable zone would be like 2 mars, if humanity colonizes mars, it should be able to colonize those too
you would just need to start sending a constant stream of material there probably (and people), in this case coming back wouldn't be a possibility before self sufficiency