/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15504314]

This may sound retarded as fuck to a physicist but is there a way to bend light in the same way we can bend electron beams with a magnetic field?

[Anonymous No.15504316]

>>15504314
Yes, with a magnetic field.

[Anonymous No.15504320]

>>15504316
I couldn't find any paper about it.

[Anonymous No.15504322]

>>15504320
Not everything has a paper about it.

[Anonymous No.15504329]

>>15504322
Well I couldn't find anything about it.
I just wanted to create something cool :(

[Anonymous No.15504346]

Yes, with gravity.

[Anonymous No.15504434]

>>15504314
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens

[Anonymous No.15504439]

>>15504329
Nah it's just mundane. Really what you seem to want is just magnets. There's shittons of youtube videos of little engineering projects and stuff like that. If you want something cool to do check those out? Do you need examples or something? You can also google search youtube videos since youtube's search sucks balls

[Anonymous No.15504443]

>>15504314
Yes with a mirror or a lens

[Jealous No.15504454]

[Anonymous No.15504483]

>>15504314
You can create a transparent multilayer stack structure with ever increasing refractive index n that causes a smooth bending of the light. To bend light you must modify the k vector of light. The way to do this is by creating a retarding effect on light velocity. You do that as described above with material science or...

you have a large star that warps space and changes the metric of space casuing light to appear to bend when its just following a straight line through that warped space.

[Anonymous No.15504536]

>>15504320
Build yourself a ferrofluidic supercell

Put a magnet below it and slap some LED's on that fucker

Bam you're now watching light bending towards the aether (the center of the magnet)

[Anonymous No.15504562]

>>15504314
>This may sound retarded as fuck to a physicist
Not at all, have you heard how they defined light?

>is there a way to bend light in the same way we can bend electron beams with a magnetic field?
No "bend", no "wave", no "magnetism"...no light. You get nothing, you lose.

>>15504320
You really could not find one single paper about light: the electroMAGNETIC phenomena?

>>15504322
>>15504320
Typically things are defined in less than a paragraph, at least if you want to fit it into a dictionary. Yet still to this day you will find hundreds of thousands of papers, all of which tell you "lol we don't know how light works".

The problem is nobody goes looking for the answer when they think they already have it. "Light doesn't bend" you see, it only does that when you introduce an illogical dualism. Oh it also travels "in a vacuum" without negating said vacuum in the first place...yes somehow it does that. I'm sure you'll find that info in one of those aforementioned papers that doesn't explain how light works.

[Anonymous No.15504567]

>>15504454
EL wire.Faggots were too poor for optical fibres.
>>15504314
Yeah you just need to be as fat as nikado avocado

[Anonymous No.15504660]

Thanks for all the responses anons, my plan is too create a sort of CRT tv but instead of a magnetic field bending an electron gun through a mask and hitting a phosphors, I wanted to bend a UV laser with something to hit a quantum dot (the fluorescent chemical) array and create and image.

[Anonymous No.15504670]

>>15504660
The reason CRTs use electrons is so it's easier to make multicoloured output signals because of the easily measured voltage recieved from one electron, photons will provide multiple quantized energy levels you'll have to measure, and you'll have to be specific with the output of your phosphors.

[Anonymous No.15504685]

>>15504562
midwit retard, just because you're too stupid to read a paper doesn't make it wrong :^)

[Anonymous No.15504700]

>>15504320
isn't that how northern lights work?

[Anonymous No.15504708]

>>15504700
I am trying to bend the light of an UV laser anon

[Anonymous No.15504722]

>>15504660
>>15504708
If you're specifically talking about a laser, then we normally do this by choosing a material with an index of refraction that will cause the light rays to be attracted to where you want to focus it (however, you have to be careful since under certain conditions this can create instabilities and lead to optical collapses and similar)

[Anonymous No.15504724]

>>15504700
Northern lights come from magnetic field bending the particle stream into the atmosphere and that makes it glow, not by bending the light.

[Anonymous No.15505054]

>>15504685
>midwit retard
Okay professional retard, what paper then? None of them explain what light is.

[Anonymous No.15505068]

>>15505054
Go read quantum mechanics, any textbook should adequately explain it to you. One with a focus on classical as a foundation is probably best.

[Anonymous No.15505072]

>>15504316
How does it work?

[Anonymous No.15505081]

>>15504314
gravity motherfucker. you need to gain some weight first tho.

[Anonymous No.15505153]

>>15505068
>Go read quantum mechanics
>any textbook should adequately explain it to you

They don't explain it. The vast majority of them even assume it "has a speed" and "travels" despite no experiment ever proving it.

>One with a focus on classical as a foundation is probably best.
The subject I am speaking about has no "foundation". None of these theories explain what light is, let alone prove it does the batshit insane shit described. These theories, "quantum" or otherwise are the equivalent of schizo infographs, but with more numbers, theorizing and paywalls. Ask any one of them to explain what "quantum" even refers to in reality and they start shitting bricks because they don't even have the causal link to "quanta" in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15505202]

>>15504708
Use a mirror

[Anonymous No.15505232]

>>15504660
Oh, so we just shooting UV light at a person to give them skin cancer while they think they're playing Smash Bros Melee on a superior CRT screen. I love this idea, /v/ will get a hoot out of it.

[Barkun Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15505239]

Light already bends at the end. There is no way to bed light further, it is bending too advanced for you to gain a grip and do your own bending. Bender.

[Anonymous No.15505246]

>>15505153
It's just as I said, just because you're too stupid to understand doesn't mean it's not true :^)

[Anonymous No.15505309]

>>15505246
>It's just as I said

You cited sources that are too stupid to understand what light is. That's why they're still perplexed by the question to this day. Some even ask the same question, which makes your disingenuous statement to:
>"hurr go read a quantum mechanic book"
moot.

It's like Mormon telling me to read the book of Mormonism because I'm too "stupid" to understand his deep, but still radically insane ideas on the fundamental nature of how reality functions. I know you don't have proof of a light particle, just as I know that a Mormon doesn't have proof of the Angel Moron(i). Neither have proof of these alleged phantasms they believe in. One of them is dumb enough to apply the scientific method to such shadow chasing.
I am not going to waste my precious short time on this earth reading whatever insane gibberish that justifies, reifies and more or less acts like a coping talisman to believe in what never had basis in reality in the first place. Pony up or shut up you book learned moron.

[Cult of Passion No.15505356]

>>15505239
>no way to bed light
In heaven you can, if youre not a lying little shit.

[Anonymous No.15505381]

>>15504320
>>15505072
>>15504316
You can't bend light with a magnetic field. The equations of EM are linear.

[Anonymous No.15505384]

>>15505381
Regardless of your equations, it works experimentally.

[Anonymous No.15505393]

>>15504314
faraday rotation of light passing through matter with an applied electric field is about the only thing i can think of

[Anonymous No.15505394]

>>15505384
Ok show me a youtube video or something of someone doing this

[Anonymous No.15505395]

>>15505393
>applied electric
i meant magnetic

[Anonymous No.15505401]

>>15505394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1a9ZNknYI

[Anonymous No.15505420]

>>15505401
Nice, but the deflection of the beam is coming from the interaction with matter at the mirror's surface, not directly from the magnetic field in empty space. It's called the magneto-optic Kerr effect

[Anonymous No.15505575]

>>15505309
A textbook on quantum mechanics will go through and document both the wave and particle models of light, which is the best answer we have right now. If you want something more precise, consider a job in the field so you can innovate it yourself. I can tell you've never actually read one before, and if you have it definitely glossed over your very smooth brain :^)

[Anonymous No.15505699]

>>15505420
>It's not bending around the magnet, it's bending due to the (other mass) which light according to QM also cannot do.
This is your "gotcha", another foot dug deeper in the hole you already dug yourself into.

>It's called the magneto-optic Kerr effect
And that is another description for the lack of explainting "how light does this".

>>15505575
>A textbook on quantum mechanics will go through and document both the wave and particle models of light, which is the best answer we have right now.
It's a non answer in the form of a dualism, of which both sides of the duality are not even empirically proven to exist. A "wave" being not even something in the first place, and your magic bumping particle of which has never been shown to exist, and could not even exist if left independent/isolated.

>If you want something more precise, consider a job in the field so you can innovate it yourself.
Knowledge is not a job. The reason everyone is becoming retarded wagies is because scientists treat it like one.

[Anonymous No.15505782]

>>15505699
>It's a non answer in the form of a dualism, of which both sides of the duality are not even empirically proven to exist. A "wave" being not even something in the first place, and your magic bumping particle of which has never been shown to exist, and could not even exist if left independent/isolated.
Except for the part that it still explains why this dual nature exists. It's very obvious you've never even tried to engage with this subject matter before throwing it out.
>Knowledge is not a job. The reason everyone is becoming retarded wagies is because scientists treat it like one.
Knowledge comes with experience, and experience can be obtained by having a job. You can also obtain that knowledge by picking up a textbook or two to answer your questions. If you're going to continue embarrassing yourself like this, then I must say goodbye.

[Anonymous No.15505802]

>>15505072
>.t juggalo

[Anonymous No.15505803]

>>15504314
Just bend space?

[Anonymous No.15505815]

>>15504562
>Maykelson-Morli
Lol, didn't know Tesla was sich a retarded dyslexic.

[Anonymous No.15505827]

OP here, pic related is more or less what I want to do.

[Anonymous No.15505860]

>>15505827
To add, I need a way to bend the laser light through the shadow mask from left to right, top to bottom every 16.66 milliseconds.

[Anonymous No.15506457]

>>15505782
>still explains why this dual nature exists.
Neither "exists" to even be spoken of, the "explanation" is therefore going to be complete religious poppycock. What you would call an "interpretation" (secularized metaphysics), but this interpretation is based on a non experiment that only tested one theory of the Aether and caused all the others to be thrown out with the bathwater based on a null result. This on top of assuming light had a speed to begin with before even understanding how it functions.
The Aether is undetectable, nothing specific, pure potential. It's never going to present itself as an object to be tested. The same correlation can be made of "dark matter", "zero-point"....there's a million names they give their lack of detectable "quantified phenomena" for, but using the term "Aether" is like using the N-word for some reason.

[Anonymous No.15506870]

>>15506457
dark matter isn't unobservable, and you're throwing words in places they don't make sense. Stop embarrassing yourself and read a book.

[Anonymous No.15507061]

>>15504346
gravity is not magnetism

[MOOT (Pools Closed) No.15507067]

>>15504314
I believe gravity will make light appear to bend around an object that is massive enough like a black hole. It's still going in a straight line but to an observer it will appear to bend according to relativity. Hence gravitational lensing.

[Anonymous No.15507069]

>>15505232
based melee enjoyer

[Anonymous No.15507095]

>>15506870
>dark matter isn't
This is all you will ever be able to tell me about "it".

>>15507061
>gravity is not

Same goes for you. Keep defining your "things" using negation, it's providing hours of entertainment here in clown world.

[Anonymous No.15507105]

>>15507095
>This is all you will ever be able to tell me about "it".
Then you're choosing to ignore observations of the real world for a fantasy by choice. This is a delusion.

[Anonymous No.15507109]

>>15507105
>Then you're choosing to ignore observations of the real world for a fantasy by choice
You can chase a shadow all day long and keep calling it different names as it changes shapes with the angle of the sun casting them. All this does it make you look like a retard when you try and tell people how many "different phenomena" you observed coming from matter but was not actually the matter.

[Anonymous No.15507117]

>>15507109
ok schizo

[Anonymous No.15507290]

>>15504722
>optical collapse
wtf is that

[Anonymous No.15507427]

>>15507109
Based and true.

[Anonymous No.15509262]

>>15507109
Fucking based.