/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15490180]

Why is science & engineering so much more conservative than the rest of academia?

[Anonymous No.15490182]

>>15490180
Intelligence

[Anonymous No.15490187]

>>15490180
-Greater requirement for reason and discipline (as opposed to emotion and liberality)
-In-culture prestige (Conservatives often don't respect artsy types, but are much more likely to respect the "hard" sciences)
-Belief in economic applications (A physicist or engineer might go on to get a job at a real company that does things, but artsy types may be forever confined to academia. Or working at Starbucks)

[Anonymous No.15490217]

>>15490180
>interdisciplinary
108 democrats : 1 1 republican
>humanities/social science
20 democrats to 1 republican
>science/engineering/professionals
5 democrats to 1 republican

[Anonymous No.15490226]

>>15490217
He's asking why the ratio isn't consistent and the gap for science/engineering isn't nearly as large. I'm curious what the bulk of "interdisciplinary" is when broken down.

[Anonymous No.15490228]

>>15490226
Misaligned incentives.

[Anonymous No.15490233]

>>15490180
Doesn't that say there's still 4 dems to 1 republican even in stem? And that's the lowest ratio? How is that possible? Are republicans just white trash and hicks in America or something?

[Anonymous No.15490236]

>>15490233
They have actual jobs.
>Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

[Anonymous No.15490238]

>>15490233
Well... yeah.

[Anonymous No.15490251]

>>15490236
Midwit cope. There's nothing impressive about cheap and plentiful physical labor. Any able bodied man can do it.

[Anonymous No.15490252]

>>15490251
Who's talking about physical labor? Smart and capable people work in industry with their PhD, while the least capable ones work in academia.

[Anonymous No.15490254]

>>15490252
At least for professional schools like medicine, that's just flat out false. The academic residencies that lead into academic careers are the most cutthroat competitive of all.

[Anonymous No.15490255]

>>15490182
fpbp

[Anonymous No.15490257]

>>15490254
You mean they're heavily gatekept. That doesn't relate to achievement or results in any way in academia, it just means you had someone on the inside who liked you.

[Anonymous No.15490261]

>>15490252
The ratios will still likely skew democrat in industry.

Regardless, there's little evidence for what you say. Academics usually have higher IQ. Most professors also have worked in industry before.

[Anonymous No.15490265]

>>15490257
>You mean they're heavily gatekept
No, I mean they're extremely competitive. You apply for those academic residencies in the same process as the regular ones too, everyone applies together - it's just that the academic residency matriculants are on average much more capable than the community residency people.
There are meticulous details kept on the performance of people in standardized testing and people from top schools tend to drift into top academic residencies with top scores.

The people in academia in medicine are generally at the top of their class.

[Anonymous No.15490269]

>>15490261
Higher IQ correlates with conservatism on purely demographic grounds.

[Anonymous No.15490271]

>>15490265
>The people in academia in medicine are generally at the top of their class.
kek!

[Anonymous No.15490272]

>>15490180
It's more often rooted in reality, and not wishful thinking for silly people.

[Anonymous No.15490278]

>>15490269
Literally the opposite. Dumb people have more kids.

[Anonymous No.15490282]

>>15490278
Wrong correlation.

[Anonymous No.15490288]

>>15490272
>wishful thinking for silly people.
is that a dark matter reference?

[Anonymous No.15490371]

>>15490180
More of them realize they'll be making money. Lots of them switch when they become gainfully employed since there's really no ideological difference between dems and reps in America (if you ignore the theatre).

[Anonymous No.15490476]

>>15490180
No one cares about feelings in science only logic and facts

[Anonymous No.15490730]

>>15490180
because higher iq.
more smart = more conservative

[Anonymous No.15490736]

>>15490180
By definition, the smarter and more honest you are, the further to the Right you go.

[Anonymous No.15490791]

>>15490730
t. Brazilian monkey

[Anonymous No.15490800]

>>15490278
dumb women have more kids, dumb men have fewer kids

[Anonymous No.15490939]

>>15490269
This interpretation does not fit to the data. Intelligent people generally are more likely to be democrat as shown in the above statistic.

My interpretation:
Cognitive flexibility is the best predictor of your party. This explains why all academics are democrat and why social scientists and especially interdisciplinary academics are even more so (in stem there is only one truth, life is simple and you do proper work. In the social sciences not so much.)
The actual question is: Why is there such a huge gap of cognitive flexibility in america? Have the microplastics turned the frogs gay or has the lead turned the republicans stupid.
I suspect the latter based on the international view on trump. Might be an interesting topic to study.

"When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?"

[Anonymous No.15491044]

>>15490939
>"When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?"
Facts don't change, only interpretations thereof.

[Anonymous No.15491075]

>>15490233
>Are republicans just white trash and hicks in America or something?
About 10 years ago there was calls from inside the right that higher education was from Satan and that they should just become truckers instead. The religious priests in the republican party have always sought to dismiss education among their young followers in order to keep their power.

>>15490278
Men with a higher education is now likely to have more kids.

[Anonymous No.15491625]

>>15490261
>Academics usually have higher IQ. Most professors also have worked in industry before.
source?

[Anonymous No.15491636]

Republicans are at the extremes and democrats are in the middle of the iq distribution

[Anonymous No.15491641]

>>15491636
except for the niggers, which are democrat. those are concentrated at the bottom.

[Anonymous No.15491671]

>>15490180
> more conservative
Your chart says Democrat/ Republican

[Anonymous No.15491700]

>>15490180
Could be any number of reason, really. I suspect that it has to do with more stringent and focused passing requirements than other fields, but I could be wrong.

It might also have something to do with nazis because nazis have a sneaking tendency to embed themselves anywhere they can find purchase.

[Anonymous No.15491792]

>>15490939
>as shown in the above statistic
Academics aren't intelligent.

[Anonymous No.15491803]

>>15490233
>Are republicans just white trash and hicks in America or something?
pretty much yes

[Anonymous No.15491963]

>>15490182
/thread

[Anonymous No.15491997]

It's usually about money

[Anonymous No.15491999]

>>15490226
cope

[Anonymous No.15492004]

>>15490182
>intelligence
>can't read the fucking graph that states democrats outnumber republicans in literally every field

[Anonymous No.15492008]

>>15490180
Smart people don't vote. It's an obvious charade. Leaders naturally need to be mythologized and born from a race bred and groomed to lead. I would not put a donkey in a horse race. Until there is a throne my work is purely for the sake of the field.

[Anonymous No.15492040]

>>15491997
This seems like a pretty loose correlation to begin with but I'm assuming this is more just showing those with money have more incentive to align with the side that pushes for lower taxes since all these professions are pretty level in terms of intelligence

[Anonymous No.15492051]

>>15492040
It's more that Democrats have a much lower capacity to contribute productively to society. That is why they cluster in the soft pseudosciences and make most of their money through rent seeking.

[Anonymous No.15492059]

>>15492040
Is there any example of a known Democrat who hasn't made one or more completely idiotic public statements?

[Anonymous No.15492072]

>>15490233
>Are republicans just white trash and hicks in America or something
literally yes. anyone with higher education leans to the dems side

[Anonymous No.15492402]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYHVRmKc_s

[Anonymous No.15492716]

>>15490217
yeah, the "free thinking egalitarians" on the college campuses are incredibly hostile to anyone who doesn't share their political beliefs and they ostracize all of the heretics to the point that even the most conservative fields are massively liberal

[Anonymous No.15493625]

>>15492716
They don't think it be that way but it do

[Anonymous No.15494501]

>>15490180
Physical sciences are more based in reality so theres less mental illness amongst those involved. Not saying that they're sane or even well adjusted, just not as bad off as ppl who devote their lives to studying literary fiction

[Anonymous No.15494611]

>>15491997
>psychiatry and pediatrics mostly dem
who wouldve guessed?

[Anonymous No.15495536]

>>15494611
both are female dominated

[Anonymous No.15496217]

>>15495536
unfortunately, the idea of a female pediatrician is absurd. women hate children, they love abortion

[Anonymous No.15497369]

>>15492716
they define anyone who voices differing opinions as "hate speech" these days
https://unewsonline.com/2021/11/keeping-matt-walsh-away-from-slu-isnt-about-free-speech-its-about-giving-hate-speech-a-platform/

[Anonymous No.15498127]

>>15497369

[Anonymous No.15498179]

>>15490182
Intelligence of democrats, yes

[Anonymous No.15498207]

>>15492004
>>15498179
Cope

[Anonymous No.15498584]

>>15497369
contradicting einstein, the jew god of the atheists, will get you accused of antisemitism. his theories are the soience atheists' religious dogma

[Anonymous No.15498865]

>>15490180
There are no democrat scientists or engineers. There are only fakes, scammers, and parasites with degrees. All the work that matters is done by conservatives.

[Anonymous No.15498868]

>>15498127
So fucking true. Instead learning from their betters they just hate and sabotage anyone who is better than them, and that is practically everyone.

[Anonymous No.15499048]

This thread reads like a "right side" thread written by "left side" people.

[Anonymous No.15499068]

>>15490180
Engineering hard sciences are 40-55% Republican.

Those democrats are all the biology slags.

[Anonymous No.15499088]

>>15490180
All we care about is facts not feelings or subjective opinions unless thats criticism towards theorem that is still logical and not emotional

[Anonymous No.15499093]

>>15490180
Less number of Niggers and Women, however It's worsening too.

[Anonymous No.15499776]

>>15498868
Thats why the peer review system destroyed science, when a peerless scientist comes along the peers are able to easily shut them down

[Anonymous No.15500465]

>>15499093

[Anonymous No.15500477]

college/university pushes leftist views. not because they are more merited, but because of jewish/corporate influence over academia.

actually sitting through four+ years of uni isn't a measure of intellect, intellect is only a hurdle. it's a measure of submission.

[Anonymous No.15500480]

>>15490233
Yes

[Anonymous No.15500579]

>>15500477
Sitting in a basement and posting on /pol/ for 4 years is even easier and the sign of an even lower intellect than those sitting at college.

[Anonymous No.15500633]

>>15490180
I don't know, but what I do know is that there's three closeted natsocs in my 32-person physics course.

[Anonymous No.15500773]

>>15500633
And there's 29 communists in the class.

[Anonymous No.15500776]

>>15500633
Physicist here—I’m an absolute monarchist

[Anonymous No.15500791]

>>15499068
Not remotely true. More like 70 dem/30 repub at shitty schools and probably like 90 dem/10 repub at good ones.

If you want to see majors with lots of repubs, check business, psychology, or economics

[Anonymous No.15500853]

>>15500791
Nah, this is according to a 2014 study across all universities.

Also MIT used to be majority conservative, only recently have they decayed.

[Anonymous No.15500885]

>>15492004
>outnumber

professional, science and engineering has only slightly more democrats in them. All other sectors are just academic grift.

[Anonymous No.15500892]

>>15500791
>economics
>repubs

I've long lost the hope of finding anyone with the balls to stand up against keynsian economics and stop suckling on the gov tits... econ is FLODED with libtards

[Anonymous No.15501106]

>>15500633
Wow you’re so edgy being a nazi

[Anonymous No.15501785]

>>15501106
>*kvetching intensifies*

[Anonymous No.15501870]

>>15490180
Its the trade school of universities / they are low IQ white trash.

[Anonymous No.15502366]

>>15501870
>white trash
racism is banned on 4chan outside of >>>/b/
which is where you belong

[Anonymous No.15503481]

>>15491075
>higher education was from Satan
and they were correct

[Anonymous No.15503498]

>>15502366
Mods and Jannies are only offended with negros or jewish are insulted with racial language, you can insult whites all you want here, call them every name in the book, call for their genocide and there will be now response at all to any reports, but when blacks or jews get the same treatment then whoever is doing it gets banned

[Anonymous No.15503539]

>>15490180
>science & engineering so much more conservative than the rest of academia?
I'm seeing a "Professional" bar right there that refutes this, chud.

[Anonymous No.15503548]

>>15503539
Chuds aren't very careful with how they interpret data. They were shitting up this board for months with their erroneously interpreted data. I usually just smirk and then hide the thread.

[Anonymous No.15503632]

>>15490233
All of the responses to this made me realize part of the reason democrats have such entrenched views and are so dismissive of other perspectives is as much about perceptions of social class as anything

[Anonymous No.15504284]

>>15503632
Did you also notice that jannie bans everyone who ever uses the N-word of ultimate power, buy you can say anything nasty you want about whites without risking repercussion?

[Anonymous No.15504295]

>>15503632
Thorsten Veblen had them pegged decades ago. Liberals are easy to manipulate due to their oversocialization and opinions on status signaling.

[Anonymous No.15504854]

>>15504284
Not true. I shitpost against nogs or rednecks depending on the thread, and there's no rhyme or reason to the bans I get.

[Anonymous No.15504869]

>>15492051
Gotta earn money so you can waste it donating to Trump's legal fund

[Anonymous No.15505212]

>>15504869
>REEEEEEEE ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!
you're on the wrong board >>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15506436]

>>15502366
Jannie bans n-word posters constantly, but you can say anything you want about whites, no matter how terrible it is

[Anonymous No.15506449]

>>15502366
hold up, wtf, when did this happen? et tu brute? did the wokies win and take down 4chan as well?

[Anonymous No.15506453]

>>15490180
Openness personality. Humanities and broad interests overlap with a personality that is of divergent thinking. It accepts as many hypotheses as possible as true or plausible. However, this isn't how science operates. Science doesn't care about scope, it cares about veracity, accuracy, and exactness. As such it narrows down to as few hypotheses as possible and rejects the rest, which is actually a good thing, as that separates the wheat from the chaff. Humanities on the other hand don't separate the wheat from the chaff because they're disciplines fundamentally concerned with speculation, not exact truth per se. Soft sciences stay soft because to stop being soft they'd have to stop speculation, and humanities faculties are fundamentally institutes of speculation

[Anonymous No.15507574]

>>15506453
>it cares about veracity, accuracy, and exactness.
how do you believe that in the face of the replication crisis?

[Anonymous No.15507583]

>>15500853
I thought the republicans were winning so damn hard that every college was going conservative, how they could they fall to our enemies?

[Anonymous No.15507611]

>>15507583
Filter conservative applicants

[Anonymous No.15507616]

follow the money op.
Scientists rely on government grants whereas engineers rely on employers. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.15507660]

>>15498127
>>15498868
slave morality

[Anonymous No.15508235]

>>15507616
>government grants
thats another one of those sleazy weasel word concoctions like saying "replication crisis" in lieu of "outright fraud".
"government grants" are just handouts for unproductive losers, its welfare for the over privileged segment of the unemployable community

[Anonymous No.15508246]

>>15490233
Higher ed is full of immigrants who vote dem for free gibsmedat

[Anonymous No.15508255]

>>15507616
No? Government grants are super competitive and don’t pay out nearly as much as private benefactors

[Anonymous No.15508831]

>>15490233
>Are republicans just white trash and hicks in America or something?
Yes.
Funny they actually believe they are a silent majority, when in reality they are a vocal minority.

[Anonymous No.15508902]

>>15490217
It tells a lot that /sci/ brainlets are mostly conservative.

[Anonymous No.15509086]

>>15508902
>I hate /sci/
why are you here?
just to promote your political agenda to people you hate?
why do you even want to have people you hate sharing your agenda?