/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15479747]

>Intelligent brains take longer to solve difficult problems: participants in a study with higher intelligence scores were only quicker when tackling simple tasks, while they took longer to solve difficult problems than subjects with lower IQ scores
https://www.bihealth.org/en/notices/intelligent-brains-take-longer-to-solve-difficult-problems

[Anonymous No.15479751]

>>15479747
But do the intelligent brains solve the problem with greater accuracy? If yes ok, if not they're not more intelligent in reality and the measure used for intelligence is wrong.

[Anonymous No.15479753]

>>15479751
>In fact, the brain models for higher score participants also needed more time to solve challenging tasks but made fewer errors.

[Anonymous No.15479759]

>>15479753
Yeah just reading it now
>In more challenging tasks, you have to store previous progress in working memory while you explore other solution paths and then integrate these into each other. This gathering of evidence for a particular solution may sometimes takes longer, but it also leads to better results.
Seems like the results aren't revolutionary, the dumb ones can't figure it out and just guess at random quickly

[Anonymous No.15479841]

>>15479747
So u be sayin asians good at competition problems but shit at building correct in depth theories are the dum dums.
Who woulda thunk?

[Anonymous No.15479848]

>>15479841
>quick shot
>wrong answer
this is shockingly on-topic

[Cult of Passion No.15479854]

Rigor is for the dead...Mr.Rigor-mortis.
[Bull's eye, spits dip]

[Anonymous No.15479866]

>>15479854
First time you said something semi funny.

[Anonymous No.15479924]

>>15479747
Simple problems would indicate a zero sum choice, thus making it easier for the more intelligent persons to expedite the solution. On the hand, a multifaceted issue might have a plethora of outcomes--none of all being equal to the last. The less intelligent person might be contended with a path of least resistance, provided the answer is salient; whereas the more cognitively inclined might be fully willing and able to atomize the task at hand, analyzing all possible outcomes; then, and only then, can a copacetic choice be made. Paralysis by analysis.

[Anonymous No.15479941]

>>15479747
Stupid people working alone with limited resources will never solve some tasks at all. They might spend seven years on a single task and accomplish nothing.

[Anonymous No.15480069]

>>15479759
The real world scenario is the dumb/midwit ones train those difficult problems until they can solve it using no brain activity. Smart ones with no prior experience will take a researcher-like route in solving those problems and may even make more questions/problems in the process.
You see this on SAT practice, leetcode practice, some exceptional researcher who invented those data structs and algorithms do slightly better than average on standardized or contrived exams.
In many ways >>15479841 is correct.

[Anonymous No.15480166]

>>15480069
While true you must learn to be aware when it makes sense to switch to one or other behavior to maximize profits.

[Anonymous No.15480181]

>>15479924
That's not what zero-sum means. Stop pretending to be smart by using words you think are difficult; you're just embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.15480188]

>>15479841
>who is Zhang Et Al

[Anonymous No.15480883]

>>15479751
^
This one is a good example of one such simple mind. The subject is only able to think in an unidimensional evaluation such as "accuracy" (which is a scalar).

Most problems are vector/tensor problems.

[Anonymous No.15480901]

>>15479747
Did subjects with lower iq solved the problems?
And as for that depressed fellow, he should buy weed from locals, but he's so down he will probably be sold camel shit instead of hashish

[Jealous No.15480904]

This is why I am called the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.

[Anonymous No.15480998]

>>15480883
>t. doesn't know any math.
fuck off

[Anonymous No.15481023]

>>15480883
Oh no, not the vector/tensor problems

[Anonymous No.15481032]

>words words words, the thread
small brain, shorter distance. that simple.

[Anonymous No.15481036]

>>15480998
Another useful display of this subjects middling intelligence. He starts droning about mathematics, likely equating it with calculation and some adjunct to that enterprises, when the initial poster (myself) used mathematical language because it's a perfect 1:1 reduction (we could say it is isomorphic to) of how any complex systems work. Of course, the units operated on don't even have to be numbers.
Does the poster think complex systems are transcendental to formalistic language? This investigation will likely not receive a satisfactory explanation what he thought when he made this post, on account of the IQ of the subject.

[Cult of Passion No.15481054]

>>15480904
One of many names, I presume..."Jorji".

[Anonymous No.15481060]

>>15481032
Based

[Anonymous No.15481320]

>>15479751
>But do the intelligent brains solve the problem with greater accuracy?
Or perhaps with more care about the underlying assumptions.

[Anonymous No.15482176]

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[Anonymous No.15482192]

>>15482176
I remember my first post too....

[Anonymous No.15482413]

>>15482176
pasta aside, learning how dumb most people are was surreal to me. I always stayed in tight knit groups in school and associated with smart people, without realizing that's what I was doing. Then at HS graduation, they listed off everyone's name and where they were going after this. ~120 people or so, and there were maybe 8 going to pursue a serious subject in university, 5 of which were me and my friends.

Then you get to university, and come to realize the people here are the same 8 from a hundred other schools, and yet half of them will drop out in a year and another 1/4 continue but don't give a shit about the material at all

[Anonymous No.15482502]

>>15479747
>women take forever to come up with what to eat
>will readily talk your ear off about how you can totally just tell your boss to fuck off and let you work the way you want to instead of listening to his directions
Checks out

[Anonymous No.15482744]

>>15479747
>be retarded
>can't figure it out the problem
>give up and put down a bs answer to get to the next question
HOLY FUCK THE RETARDS SOLVE THEM FASTER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR IQ TESTS?

[Cult of passion No.15482782]

>>15479866
I was impersonating lol

[Anonymous No.15482920]

>>15479747
>le snarky reply about muh mental illness
depression isn't real and these retards get their meds for free while people with severe illnesses like type one diabetes have to pay

[Anonymous No.15482992]

>>15479841
Doing research and looking into papers, Zhang et al.s are EVERYWHERE and usually published under big names like MIT, Meta or whatever.
These papers are mostly empirical results, with heavy assumptions on their experiments, and very much industry oriented (fast paced research with little to no theoretical background and heavy use of heuristics / statistics).

Then once in a while you'll see a groundbreaking paper published by a lone white boomer and his three PhD students from a slightly above average school but not MIT-tier with undisputable theoretical rigor.

[Anonymous No.15484461]

>>15482413
>half of them will drop out in a year
This isn't true.

[Anonymous No.15484554]

>>15479747
Because we have to actually think about it and process information before coming up with the best possible solution instead of just diving headlong into it with no real plan

[Anonymous No.15485734]

>>15479747
time isn't relevant at all to measure intelligence, it's what your brain allows you to achieve