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15471425 No.15471425 [Reply] [Original]

I smell fixed mindset bullshit. Like sure you won't be Roger Federer if you don't start practicing tennis at 8 years old but there are examples of oldies becoming GMs in chess.

>> No.15471427

>>15471425
it's an excuse for people who are too lazy to learn

>> No.15471453

>>15471425
My bullshit theory based purely on anecdotes is that autists retain neuroplasticity to a significantly later age, but normies really do lose it around 25.

>> No.15471479

>>15471425
It is absolute bullshit, wouldn't last 5 seconds under hard science standards. I've learned more now at almost 32 than at any other period of my life. They switch between "it is an average(of what?)" and "it is just a biology law(except the exceptions, no bully)". I find it amazing how weak conclusions can be when no math is involved nor falsifiability is considered. They merely confuse an average of prime years with an intense inability that is not even defined, and sounds more like a boomer rationalizing why he doesn't want to learn anymore but instead remain an asshole.

>> No.15471489

>>15471425
This is probably because normies lock into a simple 9-5 job routine that isn't particularly challenging. Then when they have a 5 year old child at 30, they look at their homework scream, Uggghhh MAAAAAAath!? I suck at math!!!? Ugh.

>> No.15471590
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I think its true but depends on multiple factors also its not like a straight cliff. Its just 25 is where is start declining but a 28 year old will still be able to learn stuff.

Another factor is health and how much you use your brain. I've seen bright funny people turn into the most boring soulless people ever in 5 years if they work a reptitive job. But also your health matters too people who drank smoked and did drugs will begin to really feel bad habits by 30. You really just can't recover from being a piece of shit like you can at 18 eat like shit don't physically train drink smoke and you will still be fine but try doing this into your late 20's and your brain will decline rapidly along with the rest of your body

>> No.15471630

>>15471425
it's bullshit. a lot of people get duller as they get older because they work a boring job and become lazy and just can't be fucked learning new things any more. but if you want to, you can.

>> No.15471714

not sure, but it has been shown covid affects brain plasticity probably quickening of neurodegenerative disorders, such as Alzheimer’s disease

>> No.15471729

The hardest part about learning as you age isn't your brain power, it's finding time in between work and family

>> No.15471755

What part of the brain determines effectiveness of muscle memory? like if you look at a sheet of music and broke it down into a string of numbers it would be pretty hard to memorize but if you try to play it its easy, why is this?

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>>15471425
It's clearly demonstrable.
>Fixed mindset! People can still learn!
less neuroplasticity doesn't mean no neuroplasticity
also neuroplasticity can be temporarily increased via hallucinogenic drugs

>> No.15472794

>>15471479
Your experience doesn't necessarily prove the theory wrong, instead maybe the neuroplasticity at a young age is even more powerful than what we usually make use of and then by older ages it's still higher than what people want to believe it is

>> No.15472799

>>15471425
Overvaccination causes clotting which accelerates brain degradation.

>> No.15472801

>>15471425
I'm sure it's true just like how your ability to focus on near objects starts declining by that age too, but you don't really notice any difference until 20 years later

>> No.15472934

>>15471425
>25
Who cares? Starting at 30 your brain will start to shrink. Your skull too.

>> No.15472946

>>15472794
right but there is no "theory" to begin with at all

>> No.15474866

>>15471489
>Then when they have a 5 year old child at 30, they look at their homework scream, Uggghhh MAAAAAAath!? I suck at math!!!? Ugh.
I've seen that one happen a lot. A lot of people are no longer able to calculate exact change anymore. It almost makes me not want to pay in cash.

>> No.15474869

>>15472470
>also neuroplasticity can be temporarily increased via psychoactive drugs
fix'd

>> No.15475462

>>15471425
Psychology isn't science, the question is ill defined and unfalsifiable

>> No.15476501

>>15474869
Yeah, but 5-HT2A agonists are by far the most effective

>> No.15476843

>>15471425
i think fasting which nobody does and a high fat diet which everybody thinks is bad, play a huge role behind brain cells rejuvenation and that the nervous system needs exercise akin to the muscle to stay in good shape
there might not be any real plasticity peak or decline, just the depressing average rate at which it happens in the general population
imo

>> No.15476856

>>15471425
Obvious bullshit, neurons and neural connections keep being made for all your life, although obviously at a slower rate when you are old, the rest is mostly psychology, there's people who learn an instrument for the first time at 60 but most people don't even read a single page out of a book after they are finished with school.

>> No.15476895

>>15476501
wasn't there also something about memory working better when stressing the amygdala with some negative stimuli.
in medieval times, they would throw kids in lake so that the events that happened would be remembered in great detail for the rest of the kid's life

>> No.15478472

>>15475462
>Psychology isn't science, the question is ill defined and unfalsifiable
the brain shrinks as we age, shrinking starts around 30. The skull shrinks too

>> No.15479615

>>15474869
>also neuroplasticity can be temporarily increased via psychoplastogens
fix'd
There are non-psychoactive molecules that increase neuroplasticity, e.g. tabernanthalog

>> No.15479623

>>15471630
>it's bullshit. a lot of people get duller as they get older because they work a boring job and become lazy and just can't be fucked learning new things any more. but if you want to, you can.
Pretty much this. It's easy to, over time, stop wanting to learn.
I'm in my 30s and I fucking love learning. I made a career switch after getting my PhD and at 30yo I jumped into an entirely new field and I'm now considered an expert in this niche. The nature of my job is such that I can flexibly just apply new/different fields into a specific application in drug discovery, and its the best job.
I don't know why people in this thread are debating with a complete misunderstanding of "neuroplasticity is lost after 25". It's frankly weird.