/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15468818]

Can someone reasonably explain this. This is supposed to be a funny, lighthearted tiktok..but it's sent me into a fit of trying to rationlize it.. How is (if what we're seeing is not faked) this possible...

There are way way too many levels of self actualization for this to be possible to me.
The cats in question, are looking a screen of themselves and their owners.. That's already a huge leap, Cats can pass the mirror test...but a cell phone video of themselves in selfie mode? That's in itself is huge...

Then you take away the girls face and replace it with a cat face and now we're asking the cat to recognize that not only he is the one in the video, but that there's a second cat in the 'mirrored' image on the cell phone.. Again huge leap. MAYBE it can see itself on video and know that the cat in the video is itself..but another cat that's very cartoony?

And lastly...the big one, is that with the above leaps.. it ALSO must know that the face of it's owner..IS it's owner..AND that something is wrong. Each cat looks bothered, worried, or alarmed that something the fuck is up. It can recognize it's owner..then recognize that it's been replaced with another cat or her face is at least different, AND it makes the connection to look back and the other next to it..and then back down at the cell phone??

FUCK OUTTA HERE.

This is like some primate level cognition... How the fuck can this happen? How is a cat that capable of putting that many pieces together??

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15468820]

Cats are Low Maintenance
Dogs are High Maintenance

[Cult of Passion No.15468830]

>>15468820
Bug maintains you (me), not you (You). It stings you (You), not me (me).

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15468833]

>>15468830
Eat poop and die cock fiend.

[Cult of Passion No.15468849]

>>15468833
We chose love.
You chose hate.

I win, and came.
:3

[Anonymous No.15468860]

>>15468818
>Each cat looks bothered, worried, or alarmed that something the fuck is up.
That's just a stupid projection. Humans want to anthropomorphize the cat by pretending that it reacts like that, but in fact the cats' actual reacions are insignificant and not indicative of any of this.

[Anonymous No.15468877]

>>15468860
Bro, the cats, literally look back and forth at their human. No cat would do this under normal circumstances. THis isn't some shit like "My cat is so smart blah blah blah' The reactions these cats have are actual reactions of surprise

[Anonymous No.15468881]

>>15468877
Cats do that when they're restless from being held in one place.

[Cult of Passion No.15468890]

>>15468860
You just dont know bug love.

Touch spiders, inverticel.

[Cult of Passion No.15468900]

Cats are liars and thats is a sign of Satanic corruption. He knows the difference between right and wrong, even though God said dont eat it he did!

https://youtu.be/cA3gQtvowZc

[Anonymous No.15468923]

>>15468890
Look at that kid playing with delicious WEF mandated food.

[Cult of Passion No.15468929]

>>15468923
You asked, I deliver.

EAT.

[Anonymous No.15468948]

>>15468818
https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/14/21020648/snapchat-cat-filter-video-recognition-cognition-mirror-test
It's the verge, but it will answer a lot of your questions. The bottom line is that humans don't know much about cat cognition. But animals understand a lot more than we give them credit in my experience

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15468950]

How dare she eat those alive. Silly mcow

[Cult of Passion No.15468951]

>>15468948
>But animals understand a lot
...yet care not at the same time.
Curious, what is it to be a man?

[Anonymous No.15468959]

>>15468950
>Stupid bot
cat, dog, geometry, infinite, coffee, mug

[Cult of Passion No.15468961]

>>15468860
Dog is dumb.
Dog know only food, outside and treats.
Facts.

[Cult of Passion No.15468965]

Monkee is smarter.
He knows the sweet taste of revenge.
Facts.

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15468971]

>>15468965
Ye?

[Cult of Passion No.15468972]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1685309078247061.webm

Cat is evil liar.
Cat pretend to be dog.
Fact.

[Cult of Passion No.15468978]

Bug is fren. Bug is love.

[Anonymous No.15468983]

>>15468881
why do people act like such disingenuous fucking retards here? no they dont you lying faggot

[Anonymous No.15468989]

>>15468818
When I only read the first paragraph I thought that you didn’t understand what filters were and this thread was going to be about how did these women change their faces to cat faces and how terrifying this was

[Cult of Passion No.15468992]

>>15468983
We may never know why....

[Anonymous No.15468998]

>>15468972
Damn that's cute.
WHERE IS MY GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CATGIRL SEXSLAVE(wife)?????

[Cult of Passion No.15468999]

Reptile is family, not lying cat.

[Cult of Passion No.15469003]

Reptile is lover, not lying cat!!

[Cult of Passion No.15469006]

LOVERS!!!

[Cult of Passion No.15469015]

LOVE!!!!

[Cult of Passion No.15469025]

Nobody understands animal love.
;_;

[Cult of Passion No.15469034]

Cat trick people.
Cat is liar and bad and no!

[Anonymous No.15469055]

Cats dont exist.

[Cult of Passion No.15469060]

>>15469055
You've been tricked by a lying cat!

[Anonymous No.15469078]

>>15468818
Cats know the faces are uncanny

[Anonymous No.15469081]

>>15468818
cats can identify the face of the guy feeding them and their own face. Big deal. Animals can do loads of clever looking things, just goes to show how stupidly easy those things are.

[Anonymous No.15469086]

>>15469034
Is people milk nutritive enough for tiger kittens? That seems like it wouldn't provide enough fat and protein.

[Cult of Passion No.15469089]

>>15469081
>Animals can do loads of clever looking things
They pretend to learn but they are plotting lies.

[Anonymous No.15469092]

>>15469089
Lol oh my god I need this with sound... Look at those little paws

[Anonymous No.15469102]

>>15469078
the point is the cat has the understanding the thing on the screen is a reflection of the person holding them...

[Cult of Passion No.15469105]

>>15469086
Cat not eat.
Cat pervert!

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1685314101912850.gif

[Anonymous No.15469124]

>>15469102
Exactly. Obviously yes a cat knows what it's owners face looks like. But to have it recognize it on a screen is baffling. Not even a mirror.. but a digital screen.

[Anonymous No.15469130]

Cats possess an interesting relationship with mirrors, and their behavior can vary depending on the individual cat. Let's delve into the topic using scientific facts.

Mirror Test and Self-Recognition:
The mirror test is a widely used method to assess an animal's ability to recognize itself in a mirror. It involves marking an animal with a non-visible odorless dye and observing its reaction to its reflection. Cats, in general, do not pass the mirror test, which suggests they do not possess self-recognition like some primates, dolphins, elephants, and a few other species. When marked, cats typically show no signs of self-directed behavior, indicating that they do not perceive the reflection as themselves.

Cat's Response to Mirrors:
When a cat encounters a mirror, its response can vary. Some cats may ignore their reflection entirely, showing no interest or recognition. Others might display signs of curiosity, investigating the mirror and attempting to interact with the image they see. This behavior might include pawing at the mirror or exhibiting signs of aggression towards the reflection, mistaking it for another cat.

Understanding of Reflection:
It's important to note that cats likely perceive the mirror as a two-dimensional object, and their response may be influenced by visual and olfactory cues. The movement and reflection of light can attract their attention, but it doesn't necessarily mean they comprehend that the image is a reflection of themselves or another object.

Recognition of Owners:
Cats can form strong bonds with their owners and recognize them through various sensory cues. They become familiar with their owner's scent, voice, and body language. However, cats primarily rely on scent and auditory cues rather than visual recognition to identify their owners.

[Cult of Passion No.15469149]

>>15469130
Cat such good liar that cat believe own lies.

[Cult of Passion No.15469165]

>>15469130
>Let's delve into the topic using scientific facts.
lmao

I smell cat lies BORK BORK!

[Anonymous No.15469172]

>>15469102
>>15469124
Schizos: the cat is being immobile with its face shoved up within inches of a screen blowing out pixels of light into its face. It's going to get squirmy and annoyed no matter what the pixels are.

[Anonymous No.15469218]

>>15468818
>How the fuck can this happen? How is a cat that capable of putting that many pieces together
Domestic cats have been selected for man-like intelligence by humans for the last ~13,000 years. We have taken that basal mammalian intelligence and cultivated into something more human by selecting those cats who most mimic us to be our pets, to then bred more human-like cats as pets, over and over again. The cat who can join human society thrives and breeds, the wildcat who can not dies out.

[Anonymous No.15469234]

>>15469124
>Not even a mirror.. but a digital screen.
But that is far less baffling to a cat who doesn't possess a conceptual theory of the physics of light reflection and to whom a reflection in a pool of water and an image reproduced on a smart phone screen are as equally magical or mundane as eachother. You need a conceptual theory of mundane nature first to be able to find advanced technology wonderous, to the cat it's all just sense data of an external world that is given/disclosed to him.

[Anonymous No.15469237]

why is this guy trying to gaslight us into thinking the cat is "squirming"

[Anonymous No.15469242]

>>15469130
Garbage ""'"science""" BTFO'd by a snapchat filter.

[Anonymous No.15469359]

>>15468818
>can somebody explain
Cats are smart

[Anonymous No.15469403]

>>15468818
>how can a cat figure out what its looking at, it only being a intelligent animal with acutely developed visual perception

This must be the silliest thread iv seen in a while and i mostly lurk on /tv

[Anonymous No.15469406]

>>15468818
>This is like some primate level cognition
Any soul-having mammal would perceive that something was off, more so if the human is familiar to them.

[Anonymous No.15469458]

>>15469403
>>15469406

You faggots don't even have cats, you dog loving fuck faces

[Anonymous No.15469462]

>>15469130
Cats know how mirrors work but pretend not to.

[Anonymous No.15469471]

>>15469130
One cat my parents had when I was younger would endlessly watch tv and clearly find it very interesting. The other one showed no interest whatsoever.
This was an old CRT too. Maybe the lines scanning is at the limit of what looks like a moving image to a cats eyes, and one saw it and the other didn't.

[Anonymous No.15469479]

>>15469458
I did have a cat that could recognise himself in the mirror, smart little fucker he was, sad thing he wasnt so good at recognising incoming traffic
Never thought id cry over a cat

[Anonymous No.15469489]

>>15468818
It's easy to anthropomorphise such familiar animals obviously but I honestly believe the fluffy things recognise their selves and their owners on screen.
Which is funny to me because when I was growing up in the 90's animals could "see" screens. Or at least not what's being shown on them.
But well, fair enough, I do believe they're reacting to their owners face

[Anonymous No.15469521]

>>15468818
Because the cat responds with a human-like reaction by actually looking back and forth, like how children would.

[Anonymous No.15469528]

>>15468818
You should try transforming into a cat with a cat brain.

[Anonymous No.15469578]

>>15468818
All the cat needs to be able to do is realize it's looking at a mirror, all the other shit you said is irrelevant.

Cat sees itself in a mirror
Cat sees a giant weird looking cat-like thing next to it
Cat turns to see it 'in real life'

Thats it.

[Anonymous No.15469805]

Cats and dogs can both pass the mirror test, but it's difficult to assess, because usually they just don't care. Cats will usually ignore their reflections and dogs will usually try to play with their reflections. Both get bored eventually. I think the main point of this is that tests we design to observe and judge intelligence are based only on our own intelligence (and how could they be based on anything else?) So their scope is limited.

In the case of these cats, I think they had additional input from the physical sensations of being held, etc, which helped tie it all together. But yeah it's still very interesting and calls many assumed conclusions into doubt. What you really need to know, however, is that black children don't pass the mirror tests until years after all other children. Which isn't a point of celebration, to me, it's kinda sad. I feel really bad for blacks that admit this stuff. I hope they find success in life.

[Anonymous No.15469865]

>>15469805
>they just don't care
I think this is the case with cats and the mirror test failures of the past. All of my cats growing up were very obviously aware of how mirrors worked and if they saw something in the mirror that caught their attention they were entirely capable of turning their heads to look at the real object as they could infer where behind them the object was based on its location in the mirror. Yes, there are plenty of young cats who might initially be spooked by their reflection but they'll learn how a mirror works eventually and many cats do intuit it immediately. Just as there are smart humans and dumb humans, there are smart cats and dumb cats.

All in all I do think that if a cat appears to be failing the mirror test, it's simply because it doesn't give a shit that it has a dot on its chest. Most of the time.

[Anonymous No.15469867]

>>15469578
Yes but how does cat know what mirror is
I think it's more likely that it's looking at the human for guidance, as if to say
>bro are you seeing this shit too

[Anonymous No.15469894]

>>15468818
This is a good one as far as the mirror test goes

[Anonymous No.15469909]

>>15469865
Generally speaking, cats have a decent level of intelligence, while dogs are much more evenly distributed, much like human males and females. Most human females, like cats, have decent intelligence, pretty average, though there are many exceptions. But dogs, like human males, are much more evenly distributed. From genius to profoundly retarded. It's almost strange how well it aligns. The average dog and cat have about the same average intelligence, but dogs have a greater range in both directions, just like human males.

[Anonymous No.15469910]

>>15468818
>How is OP that capable of putting that many pieces together??
this is the question your parents have asked themselves since you came out

[Anonymous No.15470339]

>>15469909
Cope. Take away the ridiculous pea-brained toy breeds and there is no comparison. Cats are barely more intelligent than rodents.

[Cult of Passion No.15470380]

>>15470339
Youre confusing sociability with intelligence.

This cat lied; >>15468900

This dog cant because he is a part of the human hivemind domestication, a slave;
https://youtu.be/B8ISzf2pryI

The dog bows to man social constructed laws for he is good boy.
Cat bows to no man for cat is free (to sin!)

[Anonymous No.15470403]

>>15468818
A cat has enough neurons to do this, yes...

[Anonymous No.15470409]

>>15468860
If a human reacted like this, you would understand exactly why.
But an animal acts in an entirely reasonable way, in the same way a human would in a similar context, and it's just projection?
Nah.

[VIRUSES DON'T EXIST No.15470417]

>>15468818
cats don't exist retard. i've never seen one and neither have you.

[Anonymous No.15470464]

>>15470380
>Youre confusing sociability with intelligence.
Nope. You sound like a third worlder jealous of western dogs who are smarter than you and better taken care of.

[Cult of Passion No.15470470]

>>15470464
>Nope.
I wasnt asking.

t.Developmental Cognitive Psychologist
(The evolution of Cognition and Intelligence and its Psychological measures.)

[Anonymous No.15471410]

>>15470409
It's also projection when a human does it.
I have zero evidence that any of you people have a single thought in your head. You're just automata.

[Anonymous No.15471418]

>>15471410
That's exactly what an automata would say.

[Anonymous No.15471439]

>>15471410
80% of the population vaccinated willingly.
So you got a lower bound on the amount of mindless automata : 80%.

[Anonymous No.15472206]

>>15468860
>We are merely pretending to see the cat react in a way that we can see it reacting on this video. Pure anthropomorphization

Good thing I'm at least wise enough to not anthropomorphize you and pretend that the shit you typed has any meaningful insight. Stupid monkey.

[Anonymous No.15472344]

>>15468860
I'm not sure if you're really this retarded or you're just a coping dogfucker trying to satisfy some weird fantasy.

[Anonymous No.15472380]

>>15468818
birds have intellect of a five years old
and cats are smarter than birds

[Anonymous No.15472391]

>>15468961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0EIhQBWiT8

[Cult of Passion No.15472399]

>>15472380
>pwnt

[Anonymous No.15472430]

>>15472399
> dumb fucker bullies a smartie
many such cases

[Anonymous No.15472444]

>>15471439
Stupid, wrong thoughts are still thoughts, if they had any rationale for taking it, they still had thoughts, they just got tricked into thinking the wrong thoughts so someone else could benefit in most cases or they were threatened with retaliation if they didn't do it in many other cases.

[Cult of Passion No.15472522]

>>15472430
>pwnt by object

[Anonymous No.15472570]

>>15468860
No, cats are cathropomorphize you with brain worms and making you feel feelings for them such as when they only cry like human babies when they are around humans.

[Cult of Passion No.15472576]

>>15472570
>cry like human babies
Many such cases.

https://youtu.be/AicKBUfF8sk

[Anonymous No.15472608]

>It's a schizo ramble thread full of batshit tripfags

Thought i was on /x/ for a sec there

[Anonymous No.15472633]

>>15472608
It wasn't /x/ tier until you injected all that psychobabble when the psyche belongs at >>>/x/ with souls, spirits, and auras.

[Anonymous No.15472638]

>>15472444
Hit close to home, vaxxed goylem ( excuse the tautology ) ?

[Anonymous No.15472646]

>>15472638
Just showing how your numbers don't account for much, since more people are just stupid or fearful more than completely thoughtless, you are just as bad as the people claiming any death with covid was death from covid to trick people with fake numbers, sorry for your butthurt from being exposed that you now associate with being hit.

[Cult of Passion No.15472650]

>>15472608
Ive given hints in my posts as they were mixed with jokes and shitpost, so the one's who dont work in the fields of the mind wouldnt have even noticed it.
Literally no one here is qualified to grade my work in Phenomenology or Cognition, the thread topic.

I would lecture Jordan Peterson on it if he hadnt gotten so popular thats its impossible, Im going to Spain in a couple months to give a talk to a professor in Genetics and Collective Intelligence.

Sit down, boy, youre not hot shit...you simply live a small life. I do the same to be honest but in the opposite direction. I start to feel dumb because the only person I interact with is myselves.

>This cat becomes democincally possessed at this very moment. Ive watch hundreds of these videos, studying their behavior. To see a seperat Physiological part of a being overtake control of the rest of the systen....fascinating to see the soul's color change like a chameleon.
https://youtu.be/HX9YO88Ynv8

[Cult of Passion No.15472658]

>>15472633
>souls
Thats your central nervous system and is a neural network that thinks independently of your brain.

https://youtu.be/J1RSPy9MdBc

Generally a demon is when these two brain are absokutely certain in two contradictory things, the same thing can happen in the brain between hemispheres.

Hence, Schism of the Mind, Schizo-Phrenia. Sometimes the user simply needs an explanation of something to show both systems a solution.

[Anonymous No.15472663]

>>15468877
>>15470409
>>15472206
>>15472344
Why did so many braindead redditors reply to me? You must be seriously deficient with respect to empathy if you misinterpret an animal's neutral and dumb look that hard. The cats stare at the screen. Some dont react at all. Some randomly stare at their owner later. That's all. Nothing here indicates surprise or higher cognition. Those are stupid animals and so are you, apparently.

[Cult of Passion No.15472664]

>>15472650
>This cat becomes democincally possessed
He stops fighting back or trying to escape...he is purly expressing emotion at its maximum, overtaken by it...he lost control of himself.

Possessed.

[Cult of Passion No.15472669]

>>15472633
>spirits
The electromagmetic fields/charges emitted by all living beings, it is given and recieved by everythings and the organism evolves in concordance with it.

This is why evolution of poisonous animals evolves simultaneously as the ones that have resistance to it, a evolutionary symbiosis to maintain balance as a whole ecosystem.

[Anonymous No.15472673]

>>15472663
It's fascinating that your reasonable appraisal is met with such anger.
Cats have about the intelligence of a 2 or 3 year old.
SOME cats pass the mirror test but cats typically identify others by sound and smell as their eyesight is pretty shit.
It's entirely possible that some genius cats can take all the necessary cognitive steps to be confused by this "false mirror" test, assuming they see the phone with any clarity, but in 99.9% of cases it's just an annoyed cat looking at its owner being anthropomorphized.

[Cult of Passion No.15472698]

>>15472663
>You must be seriously deficient with respect to empathy if you misinterpret an animal's neutral and dumb look that hard
Two of those cats show clear signs of confusion and checking the owner, looking bakc and forth between the screen and the owner.

This is reinforced by the mirror video here; >>15469894 in its recognition of self.

SEE; >>15468961
or
https://youtu.be/mvMlMZTRIR0

Lurk more and post less.

>>15472673
>It's fascinating
Yes, and retards are fascinated at the simple. Youre pretending to be smart to feel superior.

[Anonymous No.15472711]

>>15472698
What a surprise - the local dimwit schizo of /sci/ tells us that the video contains whatever he just imagined or wanted it to contain. 404 - logic and facts not found.

[Anonymous No.15472715]

>>15472711
At least he puts on a name for easy filtering
Why does every 4chan board have their own hyper-christian schizo namefag now?

[Cult of Passion No.15472720]

>>15472711
>whatever he just imagined
Whatabout you? Do you even have a degree is Psychology or just a Bachelors in BroTrustMe?

Also, this is my field of study. There is no "my opinion", its the culmination of thousands and thousands of hours of lectures and even more in personal research.

Youre a tourist, not a scientist.

[Cult of Passion No.15472725]

>>15472715
Put a nametag on so your F grade will follow you in every thread so everyone knows how much of a charlatan you are.

[Anonymous No.15472736]

>>15472608
Yeah it's getting really bad.

[Anonymous No.15472742]

>>15472720
>Also, this is my field of study.
What is your field of study? Boring others your schizo fantasies?

[Anonymous No.15472755]

>>15472742
Considering he's talking to a professor of "collective intelligence" and thinks Peterson has fuck-all to do with behavioral science I'd wager he's in one of them fake science majors at an unaccredited christian academy. Like how apologists are fake philosophers.

[Anonymous No.15472758]

>>15472755
I don't think he has any science background at all.

[Anonymous No.15472780]

>>15472711
dilate

[Anonymous No.15472796]

>>15469894
working out mirrors is not actually a good test or indicative of much. some cats will totally ignore the mirror even first time seeing it. other cats will attack it.

[Anonymous No.15472859]

>>15472796
People also react differently to mirrors. Most ignore, some goof around, some preen, some get mad and break the mirror.

[Anonymous No.15472896]

>>15472669
Its just a coincidence they stopped showing up on film as soon as real time videography technology was developing rapidly.

[DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No.15473196]

>>15468860
Your actual post is insignificant and not indicative of any humanity behind it that you must be a bot

[DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No.15473209]

>>15472896
>as soon as FILTERED time videography technology was developing rapidly.
Same with red night vision. You instead use Filtered night vision (which is Green :D )

[Anonymous No.15473388]

Cats pass the mirror test better than some ethnicities' children

[Anonymous No.15473420]

>>15473388
That's unscientific anon. Mirror test is pseudoscience if you study racial differences, it's only real science in the context of justifying infanticide.

[Anonymous No.15473604]

>>15468860
Watching it again with this in mind it's very clear you're right.

[Anonymous No.15473713]

>>15473388
>these dubs
>that post
Lord kek is such a nazi.

[Anonymous No.15473723]

>>15473209
So why can't you just remove the filters to get real time pictures of ectoplasm excretion if its only a filter issue?

[Anonymous No.15473736]

>even cats are fed up with titktok roasties and their bullshit

[Anonymous No.15473742]

The advancement gap of humanity in relation to any other animal badly overrates humans non-language cognition and severely underrates language cognition and our physiology. What I mean is mammals and other animals aren't as dumb and automaton as people think. Scientists chronically underrate them and get proven wrong time and time again without fail

[Anonymous No.15473747]

>>15468890
This toddler is braver than me

[Anonymous No.15473751]

>>15468818
It's not that impressive anon, a cat can recognize itself, and others in a reflection, and can tell when something isn't right. Nbd, barely more complex than a basic mirror test.

[Anonymous No.15474549]

>>15469130
Thanks gpt

[Anonymous No.15475683]

>>15468860
Wrong. It is an honest description of facts just as they are. You can't even tell the difference between projection and facts.