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>be bohmian mechanics
>the universe is deterministic but is controlled by immeasurable nonlocal effects
>these nonlocal effects can cause particles to move or spawn in in ways that would appear miraculous to the classical world
>these quantum fields permeate the entire universe at all times

>be holy spirit
>be able to make anything happen anywhere instantly
>permeate the entire universe at all times

Am I schizo or is quantum mechanics God and the bohmian interpretation correct

>> No.15467194

>>15467193
You have it backwards. God is responsible for the universe, and materialist atheists rely on constructs and kludge to try to avoid having to address that.

>> No.15467197

>>15467193
We literally just die bro. That's all there is to it. And is dying so bad if it means escaping hell? No.

>> No.15467199

>>15467194
Should have been more clear, I'm saying that with our study of quantum mechanics we are butting against the mechanism of action of the holy spirit

>> No.15467202

>>15467197
Find Christ

>> No.15467207

>>15467199
Oh yeah in that case it certainly seems that way sometimes.

>> No.15467234

>>15467193
Congrats OP, you are on the right path. Yes Bohm is correct and yes God exists! There is more to uncover though, anon.

>> No.15467272

Bohmeian mechanics is a cope for the fact consciousness rules the universe and materialism is garbage.

>> No.15467289

>>15467272
If consciousness rules the universe then there would be nothing fundamental to host or source the consciousness
>go back

>> No.15467296

>>15467234
>>15467194
>>15467193
>this proves God exists, therefore my flavor of the bible is correct.
Are you people any different than left-wing faggots with your equating correlation to causation?

>> No.15467302

>>15467296
You absolute retard I'm not trying to prove anything I'm just pointing out the apparent compatability between two explanations of the nature of the universe that are fundamentally unprovable

Are you people any different than left wing faggots with your arguing against things you're too stupid to understand

>> No.15467395

>>15467194
You're addressing it by just believing a story that you've been told to believe that you'll never be able to verify. For a lot of people that is insufficient. From what I understand atheists don't have an opinion on how the universe was created they just don't believe in the notion of a God or gods

>> No.15467402

>>15467395
You're free to believe that if you wish. However, atheism is the positive assertion that there is no such thing as a supernatural being contrary to all evidence.

>> No.15467409

>>15467402
Yeah that's right, except that there is literally zero evidence of anything supernatural ever occurring. Things written in a book with no verification is not evidence

>> No.15467416

>>15467409
Assuming that there is only one source for evidence of the supernatural is a very bizarre position to hold. Why do you believe such a thing?

>> No.15467427

>>15467416
Don't you find it strange that since the advent of film and photography there's been not a single supernatural occurrence caught on camera? But not even that long ago in human history is was apparently happening constantly. It's because anyone can make up anything and our standards for proof are greater these days. I think most people would enjoy it if supernatural things occurred, but despite the many claims and many attempts at proving it there's never been a successful case

>> No.15467430

>>15467427
>Don't you find it strange that since the advent of film and photography there's been not a single supernatural occurrence caught on camera?
What has prompted you to make an assertion this broad? Do you have any evidence behind your denial of all supernatural events, or is it just due to a personal desire that they not be real?

>> No.15467459

>>15467430
NTA but the burden of proof of lies on you. The standard scientific stance is that miracles don't exist.

>> No.15467464

>>15467459
You're making a positive claim that you know for a fact that supernatural beings do not exist. I am asking you for proof of your claim, which you made entirely unprompted.

>> No.15467466

>>15467464
I didn't make that claim but I agree with it. The proof is that modern science disallows the existence of supernatural creatures.

>> No.15467467

>>15467466
That's a tautology. You're saying you believe it's true because you believe in someone who believes it's true.

>> No.15467472

>>15467467
A tautology is a statement of the form "If X, then X". There's no such statement in my post.

>> No.15467481

>>15467472
"Because I believe in the religion called Scientism which says there is no such thing as the supernatural, there is no such thing as the supernatural."

>> No.15467487

>>15467481
That's still not a tautology and scientism implies the non-existence of supernaturals (it doesn't assume it)

>> No.15467546

>>15467302
Behold, the most intelligent god of the gaps believer.

>> No.15467575
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This thread became brown really quickly

>> No.15467577

>>15467546
>this scientific phenomenon can be and is interpreted in a way consistent with explicit text from the bible
>wow this is just like a totally different thing I read about on reddit

>> No.15467606

>>15467577
strawman arguments have no place in real science

>> No.15467641

>>15467606
Agreed. Hence why >>15467546 needs to go back.

>> No.15467643

>>15467193
even if bohmian mechanics were proven real (it isn't), god's existence would not follow from that, no.

>> No.15467651

>>15467641
>"God is the reason this is happening"
>"Hey you can't just claim I'm making a god of the gaps argument"
Thankfully you're never gonna be in charge of anything important

>> No.15467660

>>15467643
See
>>15467302

>> No.15467717

>>15467402
>Atheism is the positive assertion...
>A-: without
>Theism: belief in god
You are retarded
Gnostic atheists basically don't exist outside of edgy high schoolers
.

>> No.15467720

>>15467660
Anon you're just oversimplifying something so that it has meaningless superficial similarities to a text so large and broad you could find similarities to anything.
You haven't noticed any relationship of any worth whatsoever. You're being retarded.

>> No.15467942

>>15467296
Bohmian QM, Buddhism, Christianity are all compatible on a fundamental linguistic level. On all macro and micro scales these three interpretations of reality have fluid crossover that does not exclude the other interpretations. As Wittgenstein said "The limits of my language means the limits of my world". What we can draw from language is a local structural integrity.

>> No.15467949

Scientists will eventually "invent" or "discover" God once they peel back enough layers. They just need to claim it for themselves. If they can distribute some Nobel prizes for it and get some grants and clout for it then they'll proudly exclaim they've found God just the same as when they found the Higgs-Boson.