Someone explain how this makes sense

[Anonymous No.15462158]

We are subtracting a negative 1 from a positive one. Logically it makes sense to equal to 0.

[Anonymous No.15462161]

>>15462158
Why did this board get flooded with actual retards who don't understand 2nd grade arithmetic

[Anonymous No.15462166]

>>15462158
+1-(-1)
You do parenthesis first so -1 is your main product
Then you have left (+1-) which is just 1
so 1 - 1 = 0
You are right op

[Anonymous No.15462178]

>>15462161
>you have one apple
>you take away one apple
>but double negative so you give it back
both you and op are wrong. it's neither 0 nor 2, the answer is 1.

[Anonymous No.15462220]

>>15462158
The -1 is a parasite preventing the 1 from being a 2.

[Anonymous No.15462271]

>>15462158
You don't expect people not to reply to your attention seeking behaviour, do you? You're a variant of the Barkun schizo who starts repeatedly threads with Daniel Dennet pictures. Why people don't just not reply is beyond my logical capability. I wouldn't argue that I'm not negative but if you don't refrain yourself from adding threads to this board your retardation is going to add up. Not that you wouldn't know.

[Anonymous No.15462284]

>>15462271
Explain why it makes sense using apples then

[Anonymous No.15462288]

>>15462271
OP is not the only one making these posts you know

[Anonymous No.15462289]

>>15462158
consequence of field axioms

[Anonymous No.15462290]

>>15462284
You're starting the debate with the wrong assumption because math and physics are different worlds.

[Anonymous No.15462292]

>>15462220
Highest IQ post on this board

[Anonymous No.15462293]

>>15462290
Isnt math the language of physics

[Anonymous No.15462295]

>you have 1 apple
>subtract a negative apple
>you now have 2 apples
>?????

[Jealous No.15462297]

>>15462158
>Logically it makes sense
to move a unit of distance to the left or right depending on the sign. With the positive direction defined as forward, the expression says, "Move backward one reverse unit." A backward reverse unit is a forward unit.

[Anonymous No.15462300]

>>15462295
what's a negative apple ??
lol wtf you even trying to say

[Anonymous No.15462302]

>>15462300
Are you thick or something

[Anonymous No.15462305]

>>15462302
gfy creepy pervert

[Anonymous No.15462310]

>>15462305
Is math racist for you?

[Anonymous No.15462311]

>>15462310
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.15462316]

>>15462293
Sure. Language can be a grammatically correct, coherent and consistent fantasy. The words ''oak tree'' refer to a physical object. The words ''Pikachu uses thunderbolt'' do not.

[Anonymous No.15462317]

>>15462158
I won’t lie op I almost went on this whole tirade calling you a retard and a dumbass and such and such before noticing I was a retard and didn’t know how it worked either. I truly do apologize. My thought process was that you multiply -1 by -1 because -() which is 1 then do 1-1=0 which is what you got so idk. I apologize again I’m a doofus also.

[Anonymous No.15462321]

>>15462178
Your "apple" fixation is retarded because negative numbers don't exist.
You can't apply real world examples to non-existent things. >>15462220 is the closest you'll get to making an anecdote out of it for retards.

[Anonymous No.15462331]

>>15462321
Okay finally. This starts to make sense. So all negative numbers are made up and they aren't really negative but simply fall to the left of zero. This way any made up magic rules apply

[Anonymous No.15462334]

>>15462321
The apple guy's a retard but it's easy to find examples of negative numbers irl.

[Anonymous No.15462336]

>>15462334
Fuck you dude. You couldn't explain it so you jack all

[Anonymous No.15462343]

>>15462336
Which retard are you?

[Anonymous No.15462358]

>>15462343
the retard who is smarter than you

[Anonymous No.15462369]

>>15462334
Yeah there's examples but none easy enough to dumb down so that this baiting retard will stop wasting his and other's time

[Anonymous No.15462377]

>>15462358
Anyone posting in this thread is far below the range of intelligence an IQ test can measure.

[Anonymous No.15462383]

>>15462377
that includes you, bucko

[Anonymous No.15462398]

>>15462383
Yes, and it means >>15462358 is a fraudulent comparison since the difference can't be measured.

[Anonymous No.15462403]

>>15462158
Think of it in terms of vectors if you're too autistic to understand it in terms of counting.

[Anonymous No.15462406]

>>15462321
You mean negative quantities don't exist. Negative numbers do exist, and can represent all sorts of real physical situations. That's really all this stupid thread boils down to, the conflation of number, quantity, count, magnitude, etc.

[Anonymous No.15462409]

>>15462406
>and can represent all sorts of real physical situations.
proof?

[Anonymous No.15462413]

>>15462406
Dirt is a negative quantity of lake. If you start with a lake of size 1 add -1 lakes into it, you get 0 lakes. Similarly, if you start with a lake of size 1 and take -1 lakes out of it, you get a lake of size 2.

[Anonymous No.15462418]

>>15462413
>if you start with a lake of size 1 and take -1 lakes out of it, you get a lake of size 2
This here makes no sense whatsoever

[Anonymous No.15462424]

>>15462418
Or you mean the total distance (counted)? If so then yes, from 1 to -1 the distance is 2

[Anonymous No.15462433]

>>15462418
Try it yourself, dig 1 negative lake of dirt out of 1 lake. Now the lake is twice as big.

[Anonymous No.15462435]

>>15462413
>Dirt is a negative quantity of lake.
you're easily the dumbest dumbtard in this thread

[Anonymous No.15462439]

>>15462435
Cope, seethe, and touch dirt.

[Anonymous No.15462444]

>>15462439
i'll touch your mom's dirty pussy, how about that?

[Anonymous No.15462448]

>>15462409
Debt

[Anonymous No.15462831]

>>15462433
But we are subtracting not adding

[Anonymous No.15462848]

>>15462831
So try adding -1 lake of dirt into a lake.

[Anonymous No.15463282]

[Anonymous No.15463293]

>>15462161
It's summertime

[Anonymous No.15463313]

>>15462158
You're negating the absence of 1.

[Anonymous No.15463350]

>>15462158
go back to first grade

[Anonymous No.15463351]

Logically you're calculating the distance between 1 and -1 on the number line.

[Anonymous No.15463355]

>>15462161
Dude this board has gotten progressively more retarded as the years have gone on. This can only be a reflection of this site itself. It's not just kids, it's literal adult retards that come in here with two braincells and shit everything up. I desperately want to leave this site but there's unironically no where better to go.

[Anonymous No.15463850]

>>15462178
You have an apple and take away an apple that was taken away, which is the same as you have an apple and you untake an apple, which is the same as you have an apple and you get an apple.

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15463858]

Negativity to the magnitude of 1.

1 - - 1 doesn't even exist as a statement. It's just schools doing maths wrong.

Go on then, pronounce cleanly in English what that statement means or is it too mathematical to word?

Fart tarded

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15463864]

>>15463858
Negative numbers were invented to support this false economy we live in. They are nothing more than a truist abstraction.

[Anonymous No.15463871]

>>15462158
Negative of a negative is a positive
1-(-1)=
1+1=
2

[Anonymous No.15463872]

>>15463351
But aren't you negating from both distance points

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15463875]

>>15463871

[Anonymous No.15463894]

>>15462158
Imagine you start at zero and walk one step to the right, then turn around. Then you're asked to move one step backwards. Where are you now OP?

Fucking ridiculous, read Spivak and take his words to heart. If you're struggling with this and you come from a background in mathematics you should apologize and never try to even attempt addition ever again.

[Anonymous No.15463901]

>>15463894
>Imagine

[Anonymous No.15463906]

>>15463901
>BRAAAPPP
>Sneeding
>replies with soijak

at least you can figure out the captcha anone, you're a big boy desu desu

[Anonymous No.15464032]

>>15462161
Whenever /pol/ decided to shit this board up. Turns out they're not actually all that smart skewing the mean into the dumpster with sheer volume of retards.

[Anonymous No.15464823]

>>15462158
From a certain point of view, there are only positive numbers N:= {0,1,2,3,4,5,...}, additions and multipication of such numbers.
Let us define "integers" as ordered pairs (x,y) of natural numbers x and y. Then define for any positive number
1°) "(x,y) < (a,b)":= x+b < y + a;
2°) "(x,y) = (a,b)":= x+b = y + a;
3°) "(x, y) <= (a,b)":= (x,y) < (a,b) or (x,y) = (a,b)
4°) "(x,y)+ (a,b)":= (x+y, a+b)
5°) "(x,y) - (a,b)":= (x+b, y+a)
6°) " - (a,b)":= (0,0) - (a,b) (:= (b,a))
7°) "(x,y)*(a,b):= (x*a+y*b, x*b+y*a )"
In additions of these, you may use the further abreviations "n" instead of (n,0) if no confusion may arise.
It is easy to check that
(i) for every positive numbers p,q, there is r such that (p,q)= (r,0) or (p,q) = (0,r) (i.e. with the conventions above, (p,q)= r or (p,q) = -r)
(ii) 1 - (-1) = 2 (i.e. (1,0) - (0,1) = (1+1,0) = (2,0))
(iii) (-1) * (-1) = 1 (for another controversial property: in fact (0,1)*(0,1) = (0*0+1*1, 0*1+1*0) = (1,0)).

[Anonymous No.15464830]

>>15462448
jewish lie.

[Anonymous No.15464865]

>>15464830
>wahh wahh I don't know how to save up money and when I refused to pay the money I borrowed they took my house
sneed more goy, we're coming for your mother's ashes next week faggot

[Anonymous No.15464868]

>>15464865
showing your true colors i see. you'll get your comeuppance sooner rather than later.

[Anonymous No.15465084]

Who taught you math?

[Anonymous No.15465097]

>>15462321
>Your "apple" fixation is retarded because negative numbers don't exist.
>what is debt

[Anonymous No.15465107]

>>15463872
anon |a-b| is the distance between a and b your question makes no sense

[Anonymous No.15465188]

>>15462158
Now imagine that
1- ixi

[Anonymous No.15465259]

>>15465107
it does though

[Anonymous No.15465278]

>>15462158
Just think of the minus sign as a direction indicator.
Negative numbers are babies first vectors. A negative number is just a positive number that went into the opposite direction from the arbitrary origin (0).

x + 2 means "move forward by 2 units."
x - 2 means "move in the opposite direction of forward by 2 units."
x - (-2) means "move in the opposite direction of the opposite direction of forward by 2 units."

The opposite of the opposite of forward is forward. So you are moving forward.

[Anonymous No.15465322]

>>15465278
>The opposite of the opposite of forward is forward.
No, the forward of forward is forward

[Anonymous No.15465456]

>>15465322
But then who was phone?

[Anonymous No.15465473]

Best to think of numbers 1, 2, 3 etc as vectors going from the origin, 0, to the number, so 5 is really the vector from 0 to 5, i.e. 0->5. Then multiplying scales the vector, so multiplying by 2 will give the vector 0->10. Finally multiplying by -1 rotates the vector 180 degrees to point in the opposite direction, hence 0->-10 or -10. When you add, you add the vectors together.

It makes more sense in complex numbers because multiplying by i rotates the number by 90 degrees. i * i = -1, and that rotates 180 degrees. Another i and you have -i which rotates 270 degrees, one more i and you have 1, which rotates 360 degrees or none at all.

HTH

[Anonymous No.15465584]

>>15462158
> +
we start with facing the right direction
> 1
go right by 1 unit
> -
change direction (facing left)
> -
change direction (facing right again)
> 1
go right by 1 unit

We went in the right direction 2 times, the answer is 2. Basically >>15465473

[Anonymous No.15465634]

>>15462158
negative means reverse
-1 is "reverse 1"
-(-1) is "reverse the reverse 1", or "undo the reverse 1" if something was (x-1) after I reversed 1 from x, something is x after undo the reverse 1 from x


unless you have another explanation of what to reverse/undo a reversal means

[Anonymous No.15465770]

Jesus Christ... the replies in this thread, summer started early this year

[Anonymous No.15465782]

>>15462158
I prefer to chainsaw morons like you in half, to save the planet.

[Anonymous No.15465896]

>>15465770
Express your criticisms in words, anon.
We talked about your tantrums before.

[Anonymous No.15465911]

>>15462161
>second grade
When do negatives actually get introduced? It's after second grade isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15466174]

Someone refute this >>15462166

[Anonymous No.15466272]

>>15462166
>>15466174
>Then you have left (+1-)
>which is just 1
no it's not nigger. you literally removed the minus sign for no reason. "+ 1 -" isn't a thing. The minus is an operation, it doesn't belong to the 1.

[Anonymous No.15466280]

>>15466272
Thats the leftover part after you do parenthesis doe

[Anonymous No.15466324]

>>15466280
no it's not.
>1 - (-1)
to explain in retard terms:
(-1) is a value that you subtract from 1
what happens when you ADD -1 to something? let's see
>2 + (-1) = 1
it's just a regular - operation
then, by using that exact same logic, by SUBTRACTING -1 from something is doing the opposite. what is the opposite of removing 1? adding 1.
I really tried dumbing it down to the furthest possible level, if you can't grasp this there's genuinely no way to save you

[Anonymous No.15466348]

>>15466272
seething redditor

[Anonymous No.15466351]

>>15466324
While you are at it, why negative times negative is positive but positive times positive is not negative

[Anonymous No.15466370]

>>15466348
>reddit = someone who graps basic arithmetic
>>15466351
when you multiply 1 by 1, you get 1 (obviously right, since it's just one of itself)
when you multiply 1 by -1, you get the opposite of that; you get *minus* one of itself.
Use that same logic when doing -1 * -1. You get the opposite of -1, which is 1.

[Anonymous No.15466388]

>>15466370
Lets not mix them yet
If N x N = P then P x P should = N
N x P and P x N is ??? before we solve the first one

[Anonymous No.15466981]

>>15466388
What?

[Anonymous No.15467113]

>>15462158
holy shit how retarded is everyone?
-(-1) means -1 * (-1) which is inverse of minus one, which is 1 and because it's positive you have the 1 on the left plus the one on the right. How fucking hard is it to figure this out?

[Anonymous No.15467121]

>>15467113
See>>15463282

[Anonymous No.15467319]

>>15462284

Tl;Dr: "I had one apple. I then took one apple away from my friend. Now I have two."

The problem is that there are two different kinds of operators here. There are single object operators and double object operators.

The symbols '+' and '-' can play two roles. When put in front of a single number, they represent an orientation.

(+2) = Positive 2
(-3) = Negative 3

You might ask, "What does that even mean?" One way of looking at it would be that positive apples represents the number of apples you have, and negative apples represents the number of apples your friend has.

So,
+3 = I have three apples.
-2 = My friend has two apples.

But, because '+' and '-' are playing double roles, what happens when they are two object operators?

For example:
(+1) + (+2) = +3

What does this mean? Well, let the operators mean the following phrases:
'+' = "was given"
'-' = "was taken away"

So, when you get a phrase like:
(+3) - (+2)= +1

You can say, "I had three apples. Then, two apples were taken away from me. Now, I only have one."

But, numerically, this is equivalent to saying:
(+3) + (-2) = +1

Which is the sentence, "I had three apples. My friend was given two of those apples. I now only have one."

So, for the sentence:
(+1) - (-1) = +2, you can change this to

"I had one apple. I then took one apple away from my friend. Now I have two."

Without understanding the difference between single object operators and double object operators, things can get confusing.

[Anonymous No.15467654]

>>15462158
Explain to me what 1 - 1 would be, then.
How can it both be that 1 - 1 = 1 - (-1)
Shouldn't there be a difference, since none of the values is 0?
Why do you just dispense with some extra information?
Please explain your logic.

[Anonymous No.15468126]

>>15467654
I personally think that stuff like 1 - (-1) is just gibberish and is only made to confuse everyone, values are either positive or negative and they behaves accordingly however you solve them; lets say 9 and -9, you can do them in whatever order and they will just equal to 0

[Anonymous No.15468438]

>>15468126
Bruh read 2 posts up

[Anonymous No.15468574]

>>15462158
STEP ONE STEP FORWARD THEN STEP ONE STEP BACKWARDS, BACKWARDS

[Anonymous No.15468597]

>>15462158
>Logically it makes sense to equal to 0
Then your sense of logic is broken, and you need to fix it.

[Anonymous No.15468609]

you are a child in a perfectly flat zen sandbox

0 represents the flat sand
1 symbolizes a sand castle you have built, it is above 0 (flat sand)
-1 (negative one) symbolizes a hole you've dug in the sand, it is below 0 (flat sand)
- (minus) by itself means "the opposite of" whatever follows

thus
1 - (-1) = 2
translates into natural speech as:
>a sandcastle and the opposite of a hole is two sandcastles

[Anonymous No.15468611]

>>15468609
also you could clear up this confusion by revisiting kindergarten math and learning negative numbers before learning subtraction

[Anonymous No.15468717]

>>15462158
1-x = 1+(-x)
1-(-1)=1+(1)=1+1=2

[Anonymous No.15468733]

>>15462158
>1 - (-1)
>1 + (-1)*(-1)
>1 + 1
>2

[Anonymous No.15469049]

>>15468609

[Anonymous No.15469134]

>>15462220
Andrew Tate mathematics

[Anonymous No.15469180]

Guys please what the fuck are you doing.

[Anonymous No.15469296]

>>15468126
I am >>15467654, just wanted to say that while I strongly disagree with his particular example I can actually respect that position. It explained a certain form of logic for me.

[Anonymous No.15470590]

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