College Degree Thread

[Anonymous No.15454770]

What degrees are still worth it in 2023? All the old tier lists look comical in today’s climate

[Anonymous No.15454774]

Kek gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

[Anonymous No.15454777]

Imagine thinking comp sci majors jacking off to hypothetical turing machines is more useful than condensed matter physicists working on new kinds of transistors.

[Anonymous No.15454778]

>>15454774
Unironically it’s not bait. Back when 4chan had college degree threads in 2011 house prices were half of what they are now, now a single income earner can’t afford a home outside of a few career fields.

Software development exploded in size, scope, and pay. Compensation in medicine exploded, nurses got travel nursing, finance has exploded, engineering has completely stagnated in pay (it’s still 60k for entry level, same as 2011). Things have changed big time in a decade.

[Anonymous No.15454793]

>>15454770
I thought compsci got ruined by AI?

[Anonymous No.15454800]

>>15454778
Software development is not comp sci. Anyone with a STEM degree could get a software development job with a trivial amount of work.

[Anonymous No.15454822]

>>15454770
>its another comp sci major thinking he is special episode

Have fun not pooing in the loo Sanjay.

[Anonymous No.15454873]

>>15454793
AI can't even emulate undergraduate cs problems properly. I spent 20 minutes trying to get chat gpt to create a valid parse tree for pushdown automata cause i was lazy and it failed every single time. Same for undergrad data structures and algos problems. Shit is a meme.

[Anonymous No.15454877]

>>15454770
>What degrees are still worth it in 2023?
The one you're willing to do because you're interested in the subject and intend to work hard and get a job or go into further study. Picking a degree subject solely from some list is going to end in misery (more misery than studying something you enjoy).

[Anonymous No.15454878]

>>15454770
This but put CS in God Tier, Aerospace Eng in Good Tier (they make more than EEs), and put Math in Unbelievable Tier because they're way smarter than any CS degree holder plus can do whatever they do better plus can also work in quant finance as well as tech.

[Anonymous No.15454880]

>>15454878
>plus can do whatever they do better plus can also work in quant finance as well as tech.
They can, but most will not have the time to learn programming especially if they're not doing applied math.

[Anonymous No.15454883]

Finished an undergrad biochem degree. Got a job in biochemical manufacturing. Pay is not too great, but am able to have at least some fun in the city. You'll need to move to a biotech hub if you want to get any money out of this and you will never be all that wealthy. Might consider some type of technical sales, management, or field applications job. It's basically suicide tier if you aren't in the right area

[Anonymous No.15454884]

>>15454880
>They can, but most will not have the time to learn programming especially if they're not doing applied math.
And the average CSer isn't going to take the time required to grind leetcode to get that FAGMAN job either. The majority of CS degrees don't go to big tech, so we're not really talking about the average here, but the upper quartile or higher of each degree cohort.

[Anonymous No.15454887]

>>15454880
But by all means put Applied Math in Unbelievable Tier and Pure Math in Shit Tier, kek

[Anonymous No.15454994]

>>15454770
optometry

[Anonymous No.15455013]

>>15454770
The answer is always "whatever pays the most for the least work"

[Anonymous No.15455026]

>>15454770
All of them are in the shit tier now desu

[Anonymous No.15455029]

>>15454770
>Mech E
>Shit Tier

lol, lmao even.

[Anonymous No.15455046]

>>15454873
But nobody pays for these things. You get paid to build the millionth web app with angular/react/vue and Java, not that text book shit you were talking about.

[Anonymous No.15455585]

>>15454770
The only ones left standing will be the ones with practical knowledge and skills. When the rubber hits the road - all of the service gigs will go *poop*

[Anonymous No.15455646]

Is math actually a meme or is it alright if i don't feel like studying compsci at school

[Anonymous No.15455661]

>>15454770
Who in CS has written a useful paper since the 70s?

[Anonymous No.15455972]

>>15455661
No one. Then it's fair to say that CS is close to 100% garbage, in terms of the underlying math?

[Anonymous No.15456360]

>>15455661
Who cares. It's all about the Money.

[Anonymous No.15456373]

>>15454770
EE is a better base for AI and computer science than even CS though. If you don't understand the underlying hardware how can you hope to do as well as someone who can
>inb4 just abstract it away
Abstraction only goes so far, understanding the underlying components is still immensely useful. Plus you can use online resources to build a portfolio and show you are just as good at the abstracted stuff as a CS major

[Anonymous No.15456422]

>>15455661
Hmm.. greedy layerwise pretraining? DDPM? Surely those count for something, as does the bitcoin paper even though the end result sucks, and all kinds of general crypto and qc papers.
But I don't think that's the right criterion anyway, you should really be counting, at minimum, actual products from each discipline. This can include 'advancement of science' (then it's virtually all CS across all disciplines, having started around the 70's and 80's and accelerated tremendously around 2000 even in conservative fields, supplanting math and physics which used to offer the same kind of 'acceleration' of the basic science), or outright product (e.g. the web browser and the operating system and the deep learning algorithm reading your cheque at the bank).
Of course, other criteria like >>15456360 are valid options, too.
>>15455646
Complete meme, except stats which mathfags don't consider to be math anyway.

[Anonymous No.15456424]

>>15456373
There is 0 EE in any Ai whatsoever. Not even in the development of the frameworks (which is not even part of AI). This isn't the year 1940 where you had to make hardware for everything. Even people who work on shit like cudnn don't have any EE knowledge.

[Anonymous No.15456465]

>>15454770
Isn't a CS degree just a gloried trades degree kek. Be sigma like me and do an applied math major, applied statistics major and a CS minor. Anything else is not accounting for our new ai future.

[Anonymous No.15456470]

>>15454777
>condensed matter physicists working on new kinds of transistors.
Ahahah fucking retard.
No one in the CM groups is working on fucking transistors.
They're all bullshitting their metamaterials and superconductivity bullshit

[Anonymous No.15456558]

>>15454778
>Software development exploded in size, scope, and pay
most people are not going to be getting the fagman salaries
the field is over saturated asf

>>15456424
there's a lot of EEs in embedded which is the direction AI is going

[Anonymous No.15456561]

>>15456558
Don't post about topics you don't even have the faintest clue about, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.15456590]

>>15454877
this, I am studying Civil because I want to build physical things that last beyond my lifetime. I'll be paid enough to live quite comfortably while doing stuff that I love and I hope to be productive well beyond retirement age

[Anonymous No.15456622]

>>15456590
>I'll be paid enough to live quite comfortably
Anon, I...
Don't use google to look up numbers or you might have a heart attack.

[Anonymous No.15456625]

>>15456590
>I want to build physical things that last beyond my lifetime
have children, raise them properly, make sure that they have children as well, if you live long enough help out with your grandchildren and their grandchildren too

[Anonymous No.15456630]

>>15454800
> Software development is not comp sci.
True
> Anyone with a STEM degree could get a software development job
True, and that is why modern software is bloated, slow, and sucks gigabytes of RAM like it is nothing.

[Anonymous No.15456637]

>>15454800
> Anyone with a STEM degree could get a software development job with a trivial amount of work.
Not at all. Physicunts and mathfags are notorious for being bar none the worst programmers in all of existence. not a single one of them can program even the most basic shit without fucking up in terrible ways completely impossible to fathom to mere mortals. Their most carefully built software only works in debug mode on a 32-bit windows xp install because it relies on such deep levels of undefined behavior and platform-specific fuckery that it break if you even so much as write to a file on the machine dedicated to it. It's also completely unreadable and unportable.

[Anonymous No.15456720]

>>15456630
yes but all this is changing now, thankfully there's a huge shake out happening and all the incompetent devs are being forced out of the industry
the days of new grads getting 220k TC packages are now a distant pipe dream
it's over for you if you're not already in a fagman, the market has shifted and you missed the bus
the field is over saturated and only people with experience or new grads with serious talent will be getting in from now on

>>15456637
>Physicunts and mathfags are notorious for being bar none the worst programmers in all of existence
This is true. They know how to stitch together a few python libraries but they write absolute dogshit spagetti code and have no concept of long term maintainability. They're also terrified of c++ and refuse to use anything other than their beloved python

[Anonymous No.15456793]

>>15456720
>They're also terrified of c++ and refuse to use anything other than their beloved python
In my field they exclusively use C. It's a nightmare, the code accesses uninitialized elements everywhere expecting them to be 0 (because that's how it is with their very specific compiler with debug flags), single letter names for literally everything, abominations like a,b,c,d,e,f,g=fn(z,x,a,c,d,b) (note the reused variables), all kinds of fucked up f calls g calls f calls e calls j calls f shit all over the place... usually the code also only works on one specific input, for example only matrices of size 20x20 (despite accepting a parameter to set the size).

[bodhi No.15456815]

>>15456793
malloc()

[Anonymous No.15456831]

>>15456815
They barely know how to malloc, always assume malloc zeros stuff out, and when they do things like matrices, they end up doing jagged arrays instead of actual matrices.

[Anonymous No.15456837]

>>15456630
>True, and that is why modern software is bloated, slow, and sucks gigabytes of RAM like it is nothing
The phrase "what intel giveth microsoft taketh away" predates this website by a decade. Wirth's law is not a result of low-quality engineers. It's a reality of the fact that another gigabyte of RAM costs $10 but paying an dev to optimize software for an hour costs $50+.

[Anonymous No.15456847]

>>15454880
>but most will not have the time to learn programming
No halfway decent, modern mathematics program doesn't teach you programming along the way. Not a single one. And I don't just mean learning shit like LaTeX, mathematica, or MATLAB. I'm talking hard-requirements of learning languages with intentional memory management, design of algorithms and data structures, etc.

[Anonymous No.15456854]

>>15456847
I genuinely don't know a single math program that has mandatory programming classes. I know there are electives with matlab and R (sometimes python) depending on discipline, but that's as far as I've seen them go.

[Anonymous No.15456859]

>>15456720
Can confirm, working on a fairly large experiment this summer and any code I've seen has been horrendous. Funniest parts are that most of it is Python 2.6 (not even 2.7), and one of the scripts could only be run on one of their servers because a library had a bugfix, only on there apparently. The script was pretty small so I just re-wrote it in python 3.

[Anonymous No.15456933]

>>15454770
A few years ago I'd advocate for Economics on good tier. But the profession has really gone downhill in the recent years.

[Anonymous No.15456937]

>>15456933
Economics has always been shit both as a profession and for remuneration. You want finance for money.

[Anonymous No.15456943]

>>15456937
Micro theory is pretty solid. Too bad only a minority of the profession actually care about it. Most people in micro are reg moneys or macro pesudoscience. Finance is a bit better because they take micro theory more seriously.

[Anonymous No.15456947]

>>15456943
>most people in micro are reg monkeys and macro is a pseudoscience
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.15456948]

>>15454884
if you're going off the upper quartile then econ should be in s tier and finance should be lower. The top schools don't offer finance degrees so all the ppl going into elite finance/consulting jobs take econ and make the most

[Anonymous No.15456957]

>>15456424
Bro u r retarded. for AI to influence anything directly in the real world, say drive a car, you need sensors and actuators. You’re already deep in embedded systems and control engineering at this point. Kys

[Anonymous No.15456959]

>>15456948
l-lol?

[Anonymous No.15456960]

>>15456957
Unironically take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15456979]

>>15454770
Can someone circle what applies to 90-100iq brainlets?
>t. 95iq

[Anonymous No.15456985]

>>15454770
Best you can do is nursing or accounting, rest would be somewhere in the shit and suicide tiers (but not all of them, some are there because they're very hard yet have no job prospects).
You could also do pre-med (to full med) but you would need to be rich and/or connected for this since that's how that game works.
Also I hear nursing is not as easy as it was 10 years ago but I don't know how true that is.

[Anonymous No.15456992]

>>15456985
Oops, meant for >>15456979

[Anonymous No.15457081]

>>15454770
All depends on your friends and contacts. In a shitty country like mine, you can earn much money if you make the right friendships in the political science faculty.

[Anonymous No.15457222]

>>15456943
>>15456947
Not sure if you're referring to the state of academic research, but applied micro is far from dead, it's just more fragmented as econ grads develop specializations in particular markets (e.g. labor, property, health, digital) or maybe particular industries.
Such specializations exist precisely because the general theory, as elaborated in the textbook you've posted, needs to be heavily fine-tuned before it can be applied to those markets (though you're right that most of the fine-tuning takes the form of reg monkeying around). In any case, there will be perennial demand for these kinds of roles (with the compensation to match), even if these jobholders may not necessarily title themselves as "economists".

[Anonymous No.15457318]

>>15456847
I know someone doing pure mathematics at Cambridge and they don't learn any programming. They use MATLAB. That's it.

[Anonymous No.15457415]

I studied CS because it was fun and easy. Now my goal is to find a job with a $40k salary. Not easy though.

[Anonymous No.15457421]

>>15454770
I always laugh out loud when glorified trade school engineers are considered top tier scientists.

[Anonymous No.15457432]

>>15454770
>elem education
what is wrong with this?
>huge demand
>union job
>good salary in some places
>3 months off
>white collar
>low stress
>actually impacts the world

[Anonymous No.15457435]

>>15454770
All of them and none of them. It depends on how skilled you are. For now, most professional degrees are still worth it to get.

As you have realised by now only CS is relatively healthy while the rest of STEM is extremely oversaturated. However, that doesn't mean you will be the poor, unemployed one. If you have natural talent and you work hard then you will make it with any degree.

[Anonymous No.15457569]

>>15456985
Wow, this dude unironically said accounting is best, in the age of ai automation

[Anonymous No.15457610]

>>15457222
What I mean is the explosion of cutenomics and econ twitter trying to push woke agendas with empirical papers that are basically p-hacking with little to no theory behind it (but can still get published because they corroborate with certain world views).

[Anonymous No.15457611]

>>15454770
CS was already oversaturated 5 years ago and I can't even imagine how oversaturated it is now lol

[Anonymous No.15457613]

>>15454770
>What degrees are still worth it in 2023?
none

[Anonymous No.15457619]

>>15457613
but what about gate keepers gate keeping

[Anonymous No.15457629]

>>15457619
they don't want to admit they wasted a ton of time, energy and money on something that in no way justifies the investment, so they seek external validation by trying to artificially raise the value of it to others and make it seem more attractive than it is
basically a ponzi scheme

[Anonymous No.15457643]

>>15456720
>They're also terrified of c++ and refuse to use anything other than their beloved python
Imagine calling someone a bad programmer and then recommending C++ over Python to scientists.

[Anonymous No.15457646]

>>15457415
If you can't find a high paying job with a CS degree then you're honestly an idiot. Not even memeing

[Anonymous No.15457662]

>>15457569
Stop being tech and science illiterate.

[Anonymous No.15457672]

>>15457643
He's somewhat saying the opposite: that they are such bad programmers they would never dare touch c++, rather than that they should use c++ over python. I.e. it is because they don't touch c++ that they're bad, not because they're bad that they should(n't) touch c++.
Many scientific applications require as much performance as you can get. I myself just got done rewriting a python program for this purpose, bringing runtime down from 28 hours to just 3.5 hours despite also taking the opportunity to register every signal generated by the experiment instead of keeping only ~0.1% as was done previously (this means my version is actually bottlenecked by disk and network speed). The kicker is that since it's designed for those soientists, it's actually written in python (not just with python bindings, the core code is python). I just used tools and libraries they accept (numpy, numba, sqlite, correctly implemented multiprocessing), and better algorithms to achieve this. I can probably get another 30m-1h off if I rewrote the whole thing in C and hand-wrote some AVX code.
During this work, I ended up uncovering that the core algorithm implementation had severe bugs so it was basically outputting random results for any signal longer than ~10 samples, it just wasn't caught because those extra samples only have a meaningful impact in 10% of cases.
It was impossible to tell just by reading the code because the whole thing was an unreadable mess of spaghetti, but tests to check the reimplementation was identical allowed discovering this.

If they weren't so bad at programming, the program would have been c++, and I could have rewritten it also in c++, and I wouldn't have had to be a contortionist to get it to run fast. If they weren't such crap programmers, such egregious bugs would have been readily observable because of no spaghetti, at minimum.

This is best case. Usually they do far worse.

[Anonymous No.15457850]

>>15454770
Applied math is in unbelievable tier, 'nuff said

[Anonymous No.15458030]

>>15457646
nah it's just fucking autism bro I had a 4.0 GPA but I can't fucking talk to the women interviewing me

[Anonymous No.15458344]

>>15457662
> SoPE bEinG a PoOpyHEad

How is this a /sci board, yet folk don't know about basic fallacies.

[Anonymous No.15459214]

>>15457569
The anon asked for something a brainlet can do? He didn't ask for something that won't be obsolete in a few years. Best bet is probably trades for brainlets.

[Anonymous No.15459537]

>>15457646
lol. lmao even.
There's no jobs and there haven't been any for years. Tens of thousands of extremely talented capable software engineers are out of work and competing for scraps.

Here's the redpill. "learn2code" was a lie. One colossal stinking lie. They shilled that meme so hard for well over a decade and fooled every tom, dick, jane, pajeet, and chang to enroll in cs, self teach or join a bootcamp for their chance at easy money. The labor pool was summarily flooded by an avalanche of garbage tier trash that quite frankly never stood a chance. The thing is the candidate pool was so vast that it wasn't before long that the fraction of a fraction of a percent of these newcomers who were actually talented began to in absolute numbers outnumbered the available positions by 10, 20, then 50 times. The tech industry at this point began deliberately overhiring with all that cheap low interest rate fake money until about a year ago when they decided it was the most opportune time to pull the market and begin their campaign of mass layoffs and carnage. Now all these recently fired engineers are desperately scrambling to take whatever job they can get even if it means a 50% paycut so they can keep making payments on their teslas and their 2bd 1bth 1400sqft bungalow built in 1970 they paid $3.5million for in Cupertino. The goal all along was to collapse the high tech salaries by flooding the market with cheap labor. It's a tale as old as time. In a few years software engineers will be paid the same wages as every other stemcuck profession, that is to say they'll be paid shit.

[Anonymous No.15459674]

>>15454770
is this true?
>t. comp sci chad that codes audio apps (not a webshitter)

[Anonymous No.15459733]

>>15459537
based.
I've never understood the normie curse of "lifestyle inflation" and honestly fuck them. People get high paying jobs and immediately start taking on loans thinking the gravy train will last forever. If I was paid double, I'd be using every extra penny to increase my wealth not my fucking debts. Fuck normalfags.

[Anonymous No.15460039]

>>15457672
This. That's why I use for bioinformatics R where most packages are written in C and then compiled when you install it. Especially if you have 3gb big data frames it comes very handy plus that most operations on matrix or arrays run over blas or openblas.

[Anonymous No.15460324]

>>15454770
Here, I will correct this for you. I do not know why any living person thinks that finance is better than economics. Straight up, people who major in econ go deeper into finance than actual finance majors.

[Anonymous No.15460335]

>>15457850
>Applied math is in unbelievable tier, 'nuff said
lol. The amount of people who asked me "are you going to be a math teacher". No. Fuck any sort of math track. Come on. Do not be dumb.

[Anonymous No.15460363]

>>15454770
>chemistry
>sui tier
It’s true. My only option now is graduate school, and my only option from there is working for pfizer to make a measly 200k as a research head, or go to law school and become a chemical patent attourney make a gorillion dollars, but only when I’m 74.

I’m just gonna go to flight school and be a pilot instead.
>14 on 14 off schedule
>free flights to anywhere in the world
>can live in any city and commute
>good pay at major airlines (6 figure starting FO, average 300k for senior captains)
>good bennies, pension
>top gun larp
>can bush pilot meme for a few years*

Only downsides are
>skin cancer
>terries
>*might get eaten by a bear

[Anonymous No.15460366]

>>15460363
Oh yeah I’m also trying to get into med school for those fat remote radiology stacks but I doubt it will happen

[Anonymous No.15460416]

I've been a geologist for 13 years. It's fucking gay and I essentially work my ass off for a fast food manager salary

[Anonymous No.15460472]

>>15460363
Bro, just focus on one single thing. Get off all social media, turn off the entire world and their fuckass thoughts and pursue whatever you want. Not for happiness, but to become a god. That is the only thing worth chasing. The only way to achieve fulfillment is too work all of the time towards something that matters. You will not even have the time to feel emotions. I did this, and I am happy as hell. I fuck whoever I want out of anger and just grind. I do nothing else besides work. Nothing else, barley even post anywhere. This is the right path their is no doubt in my head and I am 26 and I am a legitimate millionaire. Not even kidding. My mom never stops bragging about her and every pussy I grew up with is jealous of me. I feel amazing. Like a god. This is attainable, go for it. Double down one thing and you will not fail. I will grant you a portion of my strength just to show you that you can achieve what ever you wany. You are the world. Do not let weak-willed vermin niggers dismantle your stride.

[Anonymous No.15460538]

>>15460363
Joever? So like, it never ends?
No, please make it stop.

[Anonymous No.15460699]

>>15460472
based

[Anonymous No.15460771]

>>15456933
>>15456943
>>15457222
>>15457610
im working on my ms in cs but i was planning on going back after the ms and going for a ba in econ because i find the subject to be very fascinating- yes, im a retard, ive known this for years. anyway, i was hoping to land a job that mixes both cs and econ topics but other than quants (more math focused, not theory), i couldn't find anything. any suggestions?

i wish there was a general or thread for econ enthusiasts. biz was that place for sliver of time until stocks and crypto took over. now, theory based threads are extremely few and far between.

[Anonymous No.15461131]

>>15460363

Aspiring Chemfag here, got my A.S. but after looking at ghastly prospects am having second thoughts.

I'm thinking of switching to C.S. and then maybe if I want to go to grad school I can branch into Comp Chem

[Anonymous No.15461163]

EE is the best

[Anonymous No.15461165]

Where does industrial and manufacturing engineering fit, bros?

[Anonymous No.15461170]

>>15461163
Yes sers, EE is the best.

[Anonymous No.15461172]

>>15461170
Sers are busy getting your CS jobs

[Anonymous No.15461174]

>>15461172
I've seen some currycels here and there going for EE, but yeah you're right about them mostly doing CS.

[Anonymous No.15461207]

My high school GPA ended up abysmal. About C average. Is it impossible to go to a good college now? I regret not being a straight A student and regret being a fucking lazy retard throughout school. Is it too late to turn it all around?

[Anonymous No.15461223]

>>15461207
underage b&

[Anonymous No.15461260]

>>15461207
Enroll in a community college with potential to transfer to a big name school and work your ass off for a 4.0. That's pretty much your last shot.

[Anonymous No.15461326]

>>15455046
>You get paid to build the millionth web app with angular/react/vue and Java, not that text book shit you were talking about.
Which is anything but computer science.

[Anonymous No.15461330]

>>15457432
Another Plus:
>Tons of baddies studying it
back in uni there was a famous party thrown by the elementary education faculty of the neighbor university. Went there with the boys, we were literally the only guys in a party of 80+ girls.
Needless to say we were to autistic and didnt talk to a single one but still, it's the thought that counts

[Anonymous No.15461339]

>>15454770
I'm an actuary. I can't see you from where I'm standing.

[Anonymous No.15461347]

>>15461165
Industrial Engineering is just Business Administration with an "industry"-heavy theme. They study theoretical "machines" and "processes" along with lots of stuff about quality standards, social responsibility, etc. Industrial engineers should ideally be able to detect potential profit points and seek to maximize them by minimizing risks, but in practice, they usually just record production and economic data on a spreadsheet and make nice-looking presentations about good figs.
On the other hand, Manufacturing Engineering usually involves knowing about manufacturing processes, and may entail having a good foundation in industrial plant design, knowing about manufacturing tools, their capabilities, and being able to make sure operators can carry out various types of manufacturing tasks with high precision. Manufacturing engineers can suggest the use of electronic devices that can aid in the process of transporting, manufacturing (cutting/welding/joining/etc.), and inspecting goods. Unlike industrial engineers, manufacturing engineers are expected to have a strong background in mathematics, physics, chemistry, and engineering design, and may be selected from people with other engineering degrees, such as mechanical, chemical, or mechatronics engineering.

Neither one is a particularly high-paying job, as far as engineering-related occupations go.

[Anonymous No.15461373]

>>15454793
AI helps most with boilerplate and is quicker to explain the usage of well known library functions than reading the documentation.

That said, its super useful and way better than google.

[Anonymous No.15461728]

I just want money

[Anonymous No.15461813]

>>15456422
REAL statistics (like Fisher's Design of Experiments) has almost no math beyond the high school level. The mathematical statistics stuff is completely useless.

[Anonymous No.15461843]

I am studying Russian and Slavic languages. Very comfy would recommend. Don't follow the money

[Anonymous No.15461874]

>>15454793
Its much more of a helpful tool..less of a replace you tool. Its not smart enough by a lot yet.

[Anonymous No.15461877]

>>15454793
???
it’s compsci that’s building AI

[Anonymous No.15461878]

>>15461813
>REAL statistics (like Fisher's Design of Experiments) has almost no math beyond the high school level. The mathematical statistics stuff is completely useless.
logistic regression, cooks distance, gaussian, binomial, poisson, binary classification, optimal; cut-off, train/test splits, finding the lowest min average mse, AIC/BIC, pseudo r-squared . This is all shit you have to know beyond high school. No, you lying bitch. Shut up. Such a stupid lying pathetic larp. There is absolute no way you can get a job in statistics if you do not know logistic regression.

[Anonymous No.15461879]

>>15461373
i still refuse to use it out of toglodytism

[Anonymous No.15461940]

>>15461878
>logistic regression, gaussian, binomial, poisson, binary classification, pseudo r-squared
High school math

Besides, you seem to be under the impression you actually need to know all the math behind it to get a job. Well, no you don't. You just need to know which button to press in STATA. I can bet your ass average 6 figure earning data scientist doesn't know how to integrate [math] e^{itX} [/math].

That's money covered. Now when it comes to making ACTUAL good USE of statistics, you need to be a field man who understand experiments; who understand where assumptions lie and and where they fail; you need to understand how your experimental unit thinks/works. No le heckin measure theory is going to help you with that. All the math is for snobby academics who do pointless research in things that aren't going to be applied until at least a few centuries after their death.

[Anonymous No.15461971]

>>15461940
Stata is underrated as hell. I will give you that. It’s excel for regressions.

[Anonymous No.15461976]

>>15461940
Yeah, I do agree actually. The most you have to know is up to logistic regression and the hardest math needed for that is maybe matrix/linear algebra. I agree with you. Unless someone wants to be a turbo fag and run all of it through python.

[Anonymous No.15461984]

>>15461940
Extremely based. I said take back that hateful shit I said. I was around a bunch of data scientist snobs who were taking way too much math. And running csv files through python and making life harder for themselves. You brought up stata and that app does litterally everything. People make Data Science sound 1000 times harder. I said almost the exact things you said for years. And I was manipulated by snobby brainlets. You are right. Blessed.

[Anonymous No.15462041]

>>15461984
Good on you for agreeing. In truth, real statistics is done by biologists, chemists, agriculturalists, etc., clinical trials and all that. You don't need that much math for that; it's more about trying to figure out how experiments can go wrong. Pretty much for anything except medicine, you can have a large number of trials and everything will approach normal distribution anyway. So all the complicated stuff is pointless except perhaps in medicine.

[Anonymous No.15462055]

>>15454770
Compsci retards and engineers are beyond saving. If you enjoy spending your undergrad near suicide worrying about your pedigree go nuts.

[Anonymous No.15462064]

>>15462041
I don’t know if it is just me, but “Data Scientists” are the most pretentious people I’ve ever met. They insist on doing absolutely everything in python and they go on the CS route for things that are extremely simple. Is this just me who thinks this? Machine learning on the statistics route is not that broad at all. And a lot of them should focus on SQL more than python.

[Anonymous No.15462146]

>>15454770
Starting cse any advice?

[Anonymous No.15462286]

>>15456847
Pretty much all of them allow you to count several CS classes towards the major. If you're in the US you can take classes in whatever the fuck you want anyway. It's really not that hard to find the space in your schedule

[Anonymous No.15462306]

>>15454887
>>15454880
The difference is like 2 or 3 classes. What a retarded sentiment.

[Anonymous No.15462431]

>>15454793
AI doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.15463311]

>learn to code

[Anonymous No.15463591]

>>15454800
>Software development is not comp sci
>chemical engineering is not chemistry
>mining engineering is not geology
Software development is software development but software development uses and applies the principles of computer science and most professional software developers hold a degree in computer science

>Anyone with a STEM degree could get a software development job with a trivial amount of work
Lmao, no. If this was true then there would be more non-cs developers than there are because it pays triple what STEM jobs pay, but it's a rarity. The only non-cs majors I've seen with any frequency have been electrical engineers who managed to crawl their way out firmware engineering and one guy who held a phd in physics but had a background in HPC.

[Anonymous No.15464373]

what pays the most?

[Anonymous No.15464380]

>>15454778
Reminder that women working is a trick played by government & corporations to lower the price of labor by half, by doubling the supply of said labor.

[Anonymous No.15464384]

>>15456590
>paid enough to live quite comfortably
More than half the price of research is labor. What counts as comfortable increases each year, both due to the greed of those whos wage it is, and the kike filth in government defacing the value of the dollar by printing more.

The day we hang everyone who works for central banks, will be a joyous one.

[Anonymous No.15464672]

>>15462146
Get plenty of sleep and exercise and eat a healthy diet. Party twice a week but no more.

[Anonymous No.15465316]

>>15454770
Why do you guys only feel validated when you put down others? I have a degree in Geology and I work as a geologist. Good luck getting raw materials for your hardware without us. Good luck getting your petroleum without us. Without geologists society collapses back to the stone age.

Why do you guys make everything a competition? Legit question. Are you compensating for a small penis or something?

[Anonymous No.15465321]

>>15454793
All compsci that isn't AI is ruined. AI is so impactful that it's changing everything right now and every institution is scrambling to find AI guys

[Anonymous No.15465325]

>>15465316
> Good luck getting raw materials for your hardware without us. Good luck getting your petroleum without us.
Don’t you mean good luck getting raw materials without the child slave miners? The people doesn’t need you!

[Anonymous No.15465337]

>>15454770
>be me
>phys major
>work in parapsychology
>get paid 40k a year without even having my degree

[Anonymous No.15465343]

>>15465325
I'm afraid to have to ask because I can't believe anyone could be so dumb but where do the child slave miners know where to go without the geologists?

[Anonymous No.15465350]

>>15454800
>>15456630
>>15456720
>>15456793
>>15456847
So is learning at least some elementary level computer science and/or programming skills a a necessity for navigating STEM nowadays? I graduated with molecular bio and have basically been unemployed for close to a year now. I get ghosted on all my applications.

[Anonymous No.15465490]

>>15465343
>Man see rock
>Man see it shiny
>Man tell child slave to dig the ground
>Man see more rock
>Man tell more slave children to dig the ground to get more shiny rock

[Anonymous No.15465508]

>>15465343
Yeah dude I'm sure there's geologists telling the child slave minders to dig in a place. That seems like a respectable job.

[Anonymous No.15466199]

>>15454770
can confirm
>t. bachelor's in physics

[Anonymous No.15466287]

Undergraduate is useless on its own. You will learn the bare minimum basics of academic knowledge which has 0 industry applications. You should worry about building useful skills not put all your eggs in a major

[Anonymous No.15466596]

>>15461172
actually they are busy being replaced by AI consultants in call centers

[Anonymous No.15466617]

>>15465343
the ghosts of their ancestors tell them where the shiny rock is

[Anonymous No.15466622]

>>15465490
So your solution to getting rid of geologists is to create new geologists.

Brilliant argument there champ.

[Anonymous No.15467011]

>>15454770
>What degrees are still worth it in 2023?
Math at the top. Everything else below. Also,
>physics below finance
is a joke I hope. Hedge funds will hire physics grad over finance any day. Furthermore, off-topic (not science).

[Anonymous No.15467015]

>>15454770
BME is growing and biostatistics/informatics majors are unbelievably well-paid; wouldn't discount those two.

The name of the institution also matters; for example MIT bioengineers are in good hands, while UC Davis CS majors might as well start the onlyfans

[Anonymous No.15467019]

>>15465350
get an IT cert and do a github project

[Anonymous No.15467066]

>>15460771
There's definitely space for mixing CS with econ. ML, simulations in macro/finance, agent based models, game theory, auctions, etc.
As for a place to talk about, there's economics job rumors.

[Anonymous No.15467828]

>>15467066
was hoping to land a job that mixes both cs and econ topics but other than quants (more math focused, not theory), i couldn't find anything. any suggestions?
a software engineer role at a company in the crypto space

[Anonymous No.15467871]

>>15466287
Med here. I got lucky with a number of MD professors during pre-med who wrote their exams in detail dense clinical case study fashion for med micro, physiology, endocrinology, etc. Very good preparation for med school.

[Anonymous No.15468592]

>trades
>nursing
>military
Is this the best trio if you can't into academics?

[Anonymous No.15468634]

>>15454770
>pre-med

Pre-med and pre-law are both considered substandard degrees, even for getting into med or law school. People with these degrees are often seen as not having a legitimate interest in med or law. Typically people get these sort of degrees if they're not actually interest in medicine or the biosciences, and they just want to get into med school. A lot of these people end up going to second tier med schools or law schools, that basically function as diploma mills, and these degrees are almost worthless if you are actually looking for a serious career in medicine. If you just want to be a physician at Kaiser Permanente or some shitty small town hospital, they're fine, but if you are genuinely looking to be a serious doctor, a pre-med degree from a professional school or an online degree program is not gonna cut it. People serious about medicine typically have undergrad degrees in biology or chemistry

[Anonymous No.15468650]

>>15454770
>>15468634
>>15467871

Going into pre-med or pre-law instead of something like biology or philosophy, respectively, is the medicine/law equivalent of getting a degree in something like "information systems" or "systems administration" or "software design", instead of getting an actual degree in computer science.

[Anonymous No.15468777]

>>15454770
>engineer top tier
Nothing but glorified trade school. They are auto mechanics just slightly smarter.

[Anonymous No.15468790]

>>15468634
>Pre-med
>Not interested in medicine
Is this a joke? All of my classes I got As purely because of an interest in medicine.

[Anonymous No.15469569]

>>15456948
wake me up when i get paid the same amount as an AI engineer

>>15460324
why the fuck is EE/CE/AE in unbelievable tier

t. EE

[Anonymous No.15469575]

>>15468592
Or do the 3: military nurse with an additional trade (such as welding or performing maintenance on medical equipment)

[Anonymous No.15469582]

>>15469575
not bad actually

[Anonymous No.15470281]

Wagecucking is a deadend. A "good career" will pay just enough to keep you fed, clothed and housed but not enough to build any meaningful wealth.

[Anonymous No.15471309]

>>15468634
>having a legitimate interest in med or law
Almost nobody is genuinely interested in these. People choose these fields because they think it will make them money. Most lawyers make nothing. Medicine actually will make some money, but at the cost of 15+ years of your life. Given the opportunity cost and time wasted, its a terrible investment.

[Anonymous No.15471338]

>>15454770
Probably not CS anymore. bubble peaked in 2020 because of Covid but really the entire industry will never be the same.

It will still exist and have high paying roles but its going the way of IT in the 90s/2000s. You used to be able to get a 70K a year IT job with just a cert and PC skills were actually seen as a thing you would put on your application.

Nowadays the fields still exists in its niches but the tech got simpler and it became less valuable. Coding will just end up being the same just another skill set that you pair with other stuff and that can get you employed in some niche fields

[Anonymous No.15471570]

>>15469575
Is this a thing? I'm a new grad nurse trying to escape bedside

[Anonymous No.15473516]

>>15467019
qrd? Where's the best places to get IT certs and how difficult are github projects?

[Anonymous No.15473530]

>>15465337
If there's something strange
In your neighborhood
Who you gonna call?

[Anonymous No.15473535]

Let's say i'm a brainlet and I wouldn't be able to get a degree unless it's in basketweaving or some other bullshit that's a waste of money.
What path should I go with that's actually valuable? Trades? Certifications?

[Anonymous No.15473562]

>>15473535
get a degree in believing in yourself

[Anonymous No.15473579]

>>15473535
Computer science

[Anonymous No.15473582]

>>15473562
Ironically or unironically?
>>15473579
Remember, I'm a brainlet. I did the lrn2code and it was a massive flop for me.

[Anonymous No.15473615]

>>15471338
makes sense. so what to do then?

[Anonymous No.15473643]

>>15473582
i mean idk anything about you. But I wouldn't be so quick to write off getting a degree. Some real dumb ass motherfuckers get degrees. And idk what lrn2code is but someone I know who is crazy good at math and has a double math + engineering degree is also a horrendous coder.

[Anonymous No.15473773]

>>15454770
u cant spell computer science without cope LMAO

[Anonymous No.15474104]

>>15454770
>be finance major, accounting minor
>also working on programming, CS skills, and my software portfolio

Is this a good combo? I'd like to eventually weasel my way into being CFO at a tech startup.

[Anonymous No.15474280]

>>15473615
If you got a passion for coding still do it. But if you just are in it for the money you need to pair it with something else.

You can still make it into a career it just isn't nearly what it was just like IT still exists today but you can't just take a cert and jump into it.

[Anonymous No.15474638]

>>15473643
i will give you a qrd on me then
>failed all classes beyond the 6th grade in AMERICAN SCHOOOL (excluding maybe history)
>have trouble writing coherent & grammatically correct sentences (struggling now even)
>my sat score was in the 3 digits
Ya it's that bad. I just lurk here hoping that some high IQ rubs off on me.

[Anonymous No.15475088]

CS is below shit tier
- me, a webshitter

[Anonymous No.15475201]

I am pursuing a history degree.

I'll sell honeynuts on the highway in Trinidad before I take another STEM course, idk how ya'll do it

[Anonymous No.15475205]

>>15475201
I could also be a paranormal grifter, or a homeless comedian. These jobs will not be automated anytime soon

[Anonymous No.15475207]

Where are the rest of my microbiology and biotech fags at?

[Anonymous No.15475226]

>>15454770
Material Science
Nuclear Engineering
^ Those two need to be near the top, ngl

[Anonymous No.15476510]

Let’s face it, stem is the new arts degree. It’s over.

[Anonymous No.15476667]

>>15454770
Bruh, my sister is in English studies or something like that. Is she doomed?

[Anonymous No.15476682]

>>15475207
here>>15465350 if you didn't read my post. Currently trying to find out about more tech/programming certs that I can pair with my microbio degree so that I can make myself more employable. Or transition to tech all together. I hate being a wagie living paycheck to paycheck.

[Anonymous No.15477534]

>>15476682
>I hate being a wagie living paycheck to paycheck
we're all gonna make it

[Anonymous No.15478711]

test

[Anonymous No.15480555]

Engineering got shacked by the Jews by keeping pumping students into STEM making wage stagnant. Now only high paying field left is meme Software "Engineering" cucking where you get paid 500k TC for being a braindead code monkey 6 hours per day. This is even more than the nigger tier med school where you learn to be a retard for 14 hours a day and memorize stupid shit regurgitated by PhD candidates who need to publish for their PhD. Meanwhile a solid state physicist makes 70k per year. This system reward stupid retards obeying commands from the Jews.

[Anonymous No.15480564]

The only way to make good money with my PhD in Physics/Engineering would be going into Finance..fuck you all, I'm not selling out helping the Jews in their conquering of the world and turning it into a gentile hell hole.

[Anonymous No.15482206]

>>15454770
Electrical Engineering bros...we made it...barely...