/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15450258]

WE ARE GOING (with Blue Origin) ver

previous >>15447224

[Anonymous No.15450269]

>>15450258
>$6Bn lander
>only can afford 3 windows

And Bezos made a presentation, with a straight face, about building giant O'Neil Cylinders at Lagrange points. I'm stunned. At a complete loss of words.

[Anonymous No.15450279]

>>15450269
as a casual, explain why this is bad or dumb

[Anonymous No.15450282]

[Anonymous No.15450288]

>>15450258
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually

[Anonymous No.15450291]

>>15450258
The more competition the better
>GPTDAH

[Anonymous No.15450295]

>>15450279
Well, they're supposed to land this thing with crew in 2030 on the Moon. By 2030, technology will have progressed to the point where you can take the power of a RTX 4090 and put it into the power envelope, heat envelope, and size envelope, of the phone on your desk. Material science in kind will have advanced considerably. We'll be reaching around 30-40% market saturation of EVs across the entire planet. Its highly likely that we'll have achieved EV planes for <500mi flights and at scale; with preliminary stages of EV cargo vessels across the ocean. There's a 0.1% chance we'll have cracked the last missing puzzle piece for fusion and have energy generated and being captured from such reactors, if truly achieved.

And against all those absolutely incredibly modern advancements, you have thing thing. A 7 meter wide tuna can with hydromeme tanks on top of it. This pushes no real boundaries. Its a bigger version of the same lander aesthetic that took man to the moon in the 1950s and 60s. It's a design that looks and feels largely unchanged in close to 70-80 years. If you show this to vs HLS Starship to a group of elementary and middle school kids, this looks like any other random render that any one of them using Stable Diffusion or Midjourney can spin up in a matter of minutes.

It has no charisma and by 2030, the world will have gotten used to Starships flying on a routine basis; to orbit, to the Moon, and potentially also have witnessed them land on Mars. Against THAT backdrop, you'll have this land on the Moon.

The lander, visually, is the equivalent of being given a participation trophy for showing up to a game that's already been won, with the opposing team already having packed their bags and gone home, and the star quarterback gotten a crowning ovation, pictures with the trophy for winning the game, and is now at a party with all his friends; probably balls deep in several of the hottest cheerleaders from school.

[Anonymous No.15450297]

>>15450282
>You can see the RS-25 exhaust plumes
Radical.

[Anonymous No.15450298]

>>15450269
$7bn
Delivered by a rocket that does not exist from a company that has never even reached orbit, let alone tried to.

[Anonymous No.15450301]

>>15450258
woahh, a suborbital trip all the way to the Moon, that will be quite the reentry

[Anonymous No.15450307]

Is it possible for vast to launch their space station in August 2025? Seems like a

[Anonymous No.15450308]

>>15450288
Why do you guys always say Demigod? Mars was a god.

[Anonymous No.15450315]

>>15450295
>phone sized 4090 by 2030
lmao no
We need borderline magic superconductors to pack that much juice into a space that small without melting the fucking thing
that's a lot of heat being generated and not nearly enough surface area to get rid of it
there's a reason why cards are getting girthier and girthier in lockstep with their power

[Anonymous No.15450318]

>>15450282
The amount of hours of engineering footage NASA put up for download is insane

[Anonymous No.15450323]

>>15450307
is it possible for *some company* to make a space station module in two years? yes, undoubtedly. vast specifically? I have no idea. What they have going for them is a guy in charge with a lot of money to throw at the project, so they can probably get one prototype up before they have to find a source of income.

[Anonymous No.15450325]

>>15450315
Man, I remember owning an 8800 and thinking cards could never get bigger than that. Now I have a 4090 and it barely fits inside of my full-sized case, and I needed to put a reinforcing bar on the case to keep it from sagging.

[Anonymous No.15450330]

>>15450298

They have seven years to:

>reach orbit using a never flown before orbital class booster that is 2m radius smaller than the Starship
>have to build their own OLM stack at SLC 41 or other pads
>have to build the entire infrastructure and logistics arms for at scale fuel supply of MethalOx and HydrolOx for first and second stage
>have to do it at least 3-4 times in a row to receive NASA and NSSL certification
>have to land that booster without RUD
>have to apparently land the second stage tanker as well as per HLS CONOPS (FUCKING LOL)
>have to demonstrate HydrolOx storage in space; which requires invention of a new generation of deep space cryocoolers that also will successfully dissipate heat
>have to demonstrate docking in space
>have to demonstrate refueling in space
>have to demonstrate a minimum of Falcon 9 levels of reusability by 2027 for eventual 2030 mission to the moon
>have to conduct an uncrewed demo mission to the moon with payload only delivery to surface and back to orbit
>have to conduct a second crew demo mission to receive certification and future contracts

Basically, they have to recreate the entire CRS/CCS and Falcon 9 Block 5 program from scratch in 7 years with a Starship class architecture. OH AND, share flights of the New Glenn booster with their contractual obligations for Orbital Reef; OH AND, deliver on BE-4 engines for Vulcan Centaur contractual obligations while working to deliver HLS as well.

I'm sorry, what.

[Anonymous No.15450333]

Is this realistic?

Will there be this much demand for space stations that we need to have hundreds in space?

No way tourism could become cheap for an middle-upper middle class person

[Anonymous No.15450334]

>>15450258
WE ARE GOING (to be late)
WE ARE GOING (over budget)

[Anonymous No.15450335]

>>15450330
It's Starliner 2.0, only from a company that has never delivered anything but a carnival ride for the terminally rich and bored.
I am not holding up hope.

[Anonymous No.15450349]

>>15450315

If Nvidia keeps doing 20% gains generation over generation at a rate of 18 months between each new GPU SKU to market, in 7 years we'll have had roughly 4.5 more generations of GPUs. Top of the line phones have a battery of around 5-6000mAh, which translates to 18.5W of power output. In 4.5 generations of GPU advancements and power benefits from smaller dies, more efficient designs, and better materials, its more than likely to achieve at least a 4070 to 4080 performance envelope within the same form factor as a modern day phone. I'll concede that 4090 is too outlandish, but 4070-4080 is more than achievable. But the point ultimately is that the degree of compute and overall advancement across all STEM fields is such, that the lander by and large does not integrate with the level of technology and expectation society will have by the end of the decade vs today.

The probability of reaching 500W/kg for battery technologies by 2025-2026 is moderate and by 2027-2028 is high. This means that the probability that we'll have flying cars as an actual thing by 2030 is highly probable. So, against that backdrop, flying a "modernized" Apollo moon lander style human landing system to the moon is uninspired as fuck. Its boomer shit.

[Anonymous No.15450350]

>Error: Your image contains an embedded file.
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>Error: Your image contains an embedded file.
;_;

[Anonymous No.15450351]

Axiom station is baller

[Anonymous No.15450352]

>>15450335
I'm honestly pissed by the fact that NASA cannibalized money from many different really interesting science projects and missions to come up with the funds to give Bezos the money he wanted for the 4-5Bn he's burned on BO thus far without much major progress beyond building massive fucking factories that don't seem to do anything but give out congressional handjobs.

[Anonymous No.15450359]

Reminder that ULA once proposed to launch 2 shuttles a year into 2017 for 1.5 billion a year

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna41397955

[Anonymous No.15450361]

>>15450359
Think of the JOOOOBS

[Anonymous No.15450362]

[Anonymous No.15450370]

>>15450351
Looks like trash, wake me up when Haven-1 progress is announced

[Anonymous No.15450375]

[Anonymous No.15450378]

What’s the news with Astroforge?


They launched an asteroid mining tech demonstrator mission this month and we have heard nothing from them

[Anonymous No.15450380]

>>15450308
I believe the idea is to personally go posthuman and become something more than human but less than an omnipotent god. If there are a few of these they might struggle for power to ensure their own survival, thus demigod war.

[Anonymous No.15450381]

>>15450378
Are you really asking for progress updates from an asteroid mining company? Those wont even be financially viable for another 4-5 decades MINIMUM.

[Anonymous No.15450383]

>>15450330
The so-called lander will never leave Earth.

[Anonymous No.15450388]

>>15450381
Okay, but when will they deliver space-smelted precious metals to Earth orbit? Two weeks? Three?

[Anonymous No.15450389]

>>15450388
Take a guess

[Anonymous No.15450395]

Can’t believe Northrop’s space station concept is basically based on Cygnus lol

[Anonymous No.15450402]

And I just realized, will we even have enough crewed craft to justify having 5 different commercial space stations? Don’t think there’s enough Dragons and Starliners for that

[Anonymous No.15450405]

>>15450395
I hope VAST succeeds and just starts dunking on the rest of the industry. Building out a giant 8-10 module chain long station that rotates on its axes at Moon's gravity would be legit.

[Anonymous No.15450411]

>>15450402

[Anonymous No.15450413]

>>15450405
Vast will be to space stations what SpaceX is to spacelaunch, mark my words. They will be a power duo at minimum until Elon becomes a geriatric. If he has an intelligent successor take over, then they may well dominate Lunar and Martian space stationry

[Anonymous No.15450414]

[Anonymous No.15450416]

>>15450308
Not talking about Mars

[Anonymous No.15450418]

>>15450416
Kys anti-Mars tranny

[Anonymous No.15450419]

>>15450418
u wot m8

[Anonymous No.15450423]

>Berger is dunking on Rocketdyne now
Holy shit, everyone in the space industry is gonna hate him for speaking truth

[Anonymous No.15450428]

>>15450423
Aerojew Shekeldyne hasn't flown a clean sheet engine design to orbit since STS-1.

[Anonymous No.15450429]

[Anonymous No.15450431]

>>15450429
>skittleposting
We dont like your kind round here boy.

[Anonymous No.15450433]

>>15450330
How about we just realize that humans are not that valuable and start risking them more. It's not like we are lacking in Astronaut candidates.

[Anonymous No.15450435]

>>15450429
>less than half the thrust of Starship
what a tiny weak rocket

[Anonymous No.15450436]

>>15450435
Its....

[Anonymous No.15450441]

>>15450349
If the RFID tag on my single serving box of cereal doesn't have more compute on it than the moon lander did I will eat my spoon.

[Anonymous No.15450444]

>>15450315
I mean, flagship smartphones have 1050 tier GPUs in them at 1/10th the wattage. 4090 is a stretch, but close to it is not unreasonable, scale up to a tablet or handheld and it's within the realm of possibility

[Anonymous No.15450448]

transistors were a mistake

[Anonymous No.15450451]

capacitors were a mistake

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450453]

Bros I'm so upset... I was at Wendys earlier browsing /sfg/, and the manager walked by and saw I was browsing 4 channel on their wifi. He told me that this website supports ant trans and even racist rehtoric. I tried to tell him that I was browsing a blue board and that it is the only place with solid genuine discussion on current spaceflight. He told me that I wasn't as smart as I thought I was. I tried to respond, but realized he was probably right, and couldn't respond without sounding mad. He wasn't even saying I wasn't smart. He was criticizing my self perception. It was just rude, and made me wonder if he even meant I could possibly be smarter than I thought I was. It was an ink blot of a statement and I felt like a real jerk for responding negatively...

[Anonymous No.15450454]

diodes were a mistake

[Anonymous No.15450455]

>>15450429
That's some gorgeous footage. Thanks for posting all these engineering film snips, Anon

[Anonymous No.15450460]

AI written messages were a mistake

[Anonymous No.15450461]

>>15450455
np bro :)

[Anonymous No.15450470]

>>15450461
from the thumbnail it looks like a girl in a bikini

[Anonymous No.15450482]

[Anonymous No.15450492]

That's it from me.
g'night /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15450494]

>>15450315
How do carbon nanotubes factor into this?

[Anonymous No.15450508]

tim dodd will go to space and you never will

[Anonymous No.15450509]

>>15450413
>dozens of spingrav stations
God that's going to be kino. Wish I could work on one.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450510]

I want to slurp loads of hot cum in zero gravity. It doesn't even have to be in zero gravity... I just have an uncontrollable urge to engage in homosexual copulation. I want to be emotionally abused by hot navy officers. Until I finally relent and present my rear orifice. And they take their time on my. Pounding my ass into submission. Blasting hot globules of excrement... Painting my insides with wretched slurry. To be a whore, who's only objective is to be a meat husk play thing... I love space, I love technology.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450518]

>>15450510
That poster isn't me...

[Anonymous No.15450534]

>>15450470
coomers get the rope

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450542]

>>15450534
How does your post advance the discussion of spaceflight? Are you trying to cultivate a joy filled friendly environment, where you can joke around? You think humor is a needed thing here? If I wanted a joke I would read your autobiography. I reported your post.

[Anonymous No.15450544]

>>15450351
this makes sense in a dragon world but in a starship world... they're going to have to switch it up

[Anonymous No.15450549]

apparently blue origin's lander is an upgraded version of rockwell's 1972 design...

[Anonymous No.15450552]

[Anonymous No.15450554]

>>15450509
Spingrav will only be used as dormitories to mitigate long term effects of weightlessness. They will be working in 0G the entire rest of the day, because why would you need only 1G in space when the entire point is to be in 0G

[Anonymous No.15450555]

>>15450552
this is going to get naughty

[Anonymous No.15450557]

>>15450554
access to infinite sized vacuum chamber

[Anonymous No.15450558]

>>15450554
Imagine spending all that energy just to slip the surly bonds, just to put them right back on.
Gravitational Stockholm syndrome

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450563]

>>15450557
I got one for you right here...

[Anonymous No.15450566]

>>15450558
0g probably gets old very fast. daily routines like shitting, showering and eating are now really fucking annoying and complex.

[Anonymous No.15450568]

>>15450566
This, also if you dont like it just ask Vast to set it to Mars gravity or somethin. All it takes is a little angular deceleration

[Anonymous No.15450569]

>>15450568
you'll always have 0g at the centre of your station for work that requires it or recreation. but i want to sit down and eat off a plate not squirt paste into my mouth from a bag then shit paste back into a bag later.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450571]

>>15450569
Ill shit some paste into your mouth in 1G

[Anonymous No.15450572]

we obviously need 10g stations so people can get a dbz level workout

[Anonymous No.15450582]

>>15450572
The gains stations will be real.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450588]

>>15450571
I'm pretty sure this poster is not me...

[Anonymous No.15450595]

will a solar flare really kill people on gateway/the moon or is that scifi? for all mankind had a scene where the astronaut on the moon almost died during a solar flare.

[Anonymous No.15450596]

God I hate namefags

[Anonymous No.15450598]

>>15450568
No can do. NASA policy is only to test 1g and zero-g. In fact it'll be forbidden even to stop halfway up the ladder heading up to the hub.

[Anonymous No.15450601]

>>15450333
By the 2040s, with starship, its certainly very possible. Depends on if nuclear war happens or the US economy completely shits the bed and we collapse lol. If that doesn't happen its likely.

[Anonymous No.15450602]

>>15450598
>NASA
This is Vast you dumb nigger, its not even launching on a NASA vehicle

[Anonymous No.15450603]

leo stations are the first thing, next up is cruise liners to the moon

[Anonymous No.15450605]

>>15450413
Don't forget gravitics or whatever they're called. They seem competent as well and have hardware.

[Anonymous No.15450606]

artificial luxury planets that tour the galaxy, going from one touristy solar system to another. passenger numbers in the 10s of millions.

[Anonymous No.15450609]

>>15450606
And fusion engines and light sails and antimatter generators and FTL travel and O'Neil cylinders and Dyson spheres and black hole generators and so much more pop sci mind mush!

[Anonymous No.15450615]

>>15450602
NASA has jurisdiction overall cislunar space, same as the FAA has jurisdiction over the entire atmosphere.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450618]

>>15450596
I forgave you. Thought you might save me a sup a' water...

[Anonymous No.15450623]

>>15450269
its a first step, I'm much more optimistic about BO after this design was unveiled, but yes there is a pretty big possibility that this goes nowhere
New Glenn needs to fly

[Anonymous No.15450626]

>>15450615
>the US owns the moon and the atmosphere
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.15450630]

>>15450623
So pigs need to fly?

[Anonymous No.15450631]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1659786616637116417

[Anonymous No.15450635]

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1659597462577852417

[Anonymous No.15450641]

>>15450635

[Anonymous No.15450644]

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1659759831262326784

[Anonymous No.15450647]

>>15450630
I know there is a lot of memeing around here and BO doesnt have much visible progress, but they don't tend to talk about their progress either so who knows
maybe they actually launch something in the next few years
I hope they do

[Anonymous No.15450651]

>>15450626
You disagree? Substantiate your claims.

[Anonymous No.15450654]

>>15450647
>they don't tend to talk about their progress
I wonder why lmao

[Anonymous No.15450663]

>>15450644
sls is a bottleneck, thats why we need others to do their own lunar missions along with nasa. few can afford such a thing, but it might be a regular thing in the 2030s if starship works out.

[Anonymous No.15450665]

landing on the moon (or any gravity well) is a meme

[Anonymous No.15450671]

>>15450330
Holy moly. They are fucked.

[Anonymous No.15450672]

>>15450665
Personally I just don't believe in 'gravity'.
You fell down a well and can't get back up? Quit bitching and climb retard.

[Anonymous No.15450673]

>>15450644
There was one episode of Star Trek that really got to me
They were on this planet where AI would distribute all resources including Medicine, and it would give preferential treatment to the higher class citizens and mostly ignore the lower class ones
So the doctor tried to convince their medical staff to give to the lower class, he eventually managed to do so by telling them something like the following:
Have you noticed how the AI continues to lower the amount of resources you receive over time? That eventually all your medical resources will run out and you too will have nothing left to treat anyone? If you give away your Medicine, the AI will realize there is a shortage
Perhaps the same could be said about the SLS, if the SLS is cut simply because it's a behemoth that is no longer needed, then will NASA ever be able to justify such large budgetary expenses ever again?

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450674]

To plan is to listen to them. To listen is to plan on you. To act is.

[Anonymous No.15450676]

>>15450672
the only thing pl*nets are good for is being strip mined by robots to build out the swarm

[Anonymous No.15450710]

>>15450549
50 year old design, lmao

[Anonymous No.15450711]

>>15450330
When you put it like this, it almost seems like an intentional effort to embarrass Beñoz. I wonder if the contracts provide for suing Blorigin into the ground with armies of federal lawyers once none of the requirements are met.

[Anonymous No.15450732]

>>15450711
Sadly, it's only an exercise in pork barrel politics.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450737]

I am a raging homosexual who greatly enjoys the feeling of a huge cock throbbing inside my mouth, releasing its salty, fragrant ejaculate down my throat.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450739]

>>15450674
"And I can tell the month by Orion" , he spoke. And I can tell Orion by language. For if it's cold he's probobly in the south. When it's warm I never look to the sky. So I know not the location. I see the sky, but I don't look. Or at least that's what they told me. At least...

[Anonymous No.15450759]

https://twitter.com/fakecarlsagan/status/1659714445415784449

I wonder if he is actually mentally ill?

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15450760]

>>15450737
Verry close approximate. However I would never bring up fragrant topics.

[Anonymous No.15450764]

https://twitter.com/Saphira123456/status/1659817784749031424

lmao

[Anonymous No.15450767]

>>15450759
Fanaticism makes fools of everyone, whether they're for something or against it.

[Anonymous No.15450770]

>>15450759
https://twitter.com/C_S_Skeptic/status/1659704058788323329/photo/1

the thread in question, the pic I posted was posted by blue origin over 3 years ago
kind of weird that CSS doesn't even bother to watch the unveil event

[Anonymous No.15450774]

>>15450759
He's not in it for space. He's in it because he hates Musk.

[Anonymous No.15450802]

>>15450764
starlink? all the commercial contacts?

[Anonymous No.15450804]

>>15450764
The fucking salt, man.

[Anonymous No.15450841]

>>15450764
What the fuck is this bot even saying?

[Anonymous No.15450858]

we AIN'T going
space's cancelled anons
hope you like your green pastures and blue oceans cause that's all you gonna get

[Anonymous No.15450862]

what's the most hype thing besides starship? artemis? spacex on mars? space stations?

[Anonymous No.15450865]

>>15450862
ftl research
they just keep it hush-hush cause they won't be taken seriously until there's concrete results

[Anonymous No.15450867]

>>15450759
>>15450764
Yes we know there is a bottomless pit of literally-who idiots on twitter, we don't need more screen caps of them.
>even CSS is completely sane in comparison
wew lad

[Anonymous No.15450881]

>>15450764
Isn't Spacex pretty much the only space company that actually makes worthwhile money outside of government contracts?

[Anonymous No.15450883]

>>15450711
I'm fairly sure someone like bezos would have his lawyers make airtight contracts that would let them run off with the money if blue origin shits the bed.

[Anonymous No.15450898]

>>15450572
Those wouldn't have to be in space. You could use modified carnival rides for this on earth right now.

[Anonymous No.15450908]

>>15450770
The earth is flat and stationary with a dome. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive, and neither are you.

[Anonymous No.15450916]

>>15450881
probably, SpaceX is basically the only company that does anything relevant in the first place

[Anonymous No.15450928]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IXMMqPE3Tk

[Anonymous No.15450968]

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1659671339966545920

[Anonymous No.15450999]

>>15450423
The Falcon 9 book is gonna be lit

[Anonymous No.15451000]

>>15450764

[Anonymous No.15451002]

Are they really serious about this? What if Starship doesn't work out as intended?

[Anonymous No.15451019]

Wait lmfao it’s literally called the Blue Moon lander

[Anonymous No.15451032]

It occasionally lands?

[Anonymous No.15451033]

>>15450968
wtf I like the launch plate now

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451054]

Open Source Orbital Infrastructure Corporation Status Update
May 20,2023

Current issues in the Space Industry:

Anons report the industry moves "at a snail's pace". Many rocket engines and rocket companies are currently in operation but all basically working on the same thing while accomplishing little. While small innovations are made in this area it's slow and very expensive. Inefficient old technology.

Anons complain of slow launch tempo, proposed 1 mission to moon per year, no more....maybe less. This is a very very slow launch tempo and will in the long run accomplish nothing short of a few photo op missions. Humans will never become "space faring" under this model.

Large bottlenecks exist in the innovation, funding, philosophy, and corporate management of the current Space Industry. This has resulted in extreme stagnation in the field to the point we are just "shuffling the chairs on the Titanic". Projects are constantly pushed back and meet with failures. This speed and level of progress will see the first human colony ship leave Earth circa 2140 not 2040.

The Space Flight industry suffers from delusion and corruption from the top down. A very small number of people with a very small number of ideas are propped up by "crony capitalism" and massive propaganda machines to reach their own personal egotistical goals. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are currently in a dick measuring contest to get to the moon and they get to do it with tax payer money. Worse than wasting money they waste valuable time we can never get back. We should be building space stations in Earth Orbit not wasting time on the Moon and Mars.
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[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451056]

>>15451054
This is a prime example of "elite projection"
>Elite projection is the belief, among relatively fortunate and influential people, that what those people find convenient or attractive is good for the society as a whole. Once you learn to recognize this simple mistake, you see it everywhere. It is perhaps the single most comprehensive barrier to prosperous, just, and liberating cities. https://humantransit.org/2017/07/the-dangers-of-elite-projection.html

The elites of our world are crafting the space industry to suit their wishes and whims, not the needs of humanity. Like kings of old it's their world and we are all just living in it. Like I always say, you'll die in the gravity well following these tyrants.

SOLUTIONS:

What I have described above is a highly centralized corrupt system that is riddled with progress stopping bottlenecks.

What I propose is the complete opposite, in every imaginable way! We must abandon centralization of knowledge, power, and funding in all aspects. Decentralization will allow the Space Industry to accelerate exponentially and yes will be likely to yield the first human space colony in the coming decades instead of the next century. The old NASA model of government funding is dead, the new model of billionaire space companies is dying on the vine, the solution is a DECENTRALIZED NASA with no requirements to join......except cold hard cash.

There is no free lunch in physics and so there is no free ride to space. We will need money, and near limitless piles of it to be honest. We will need more money than Elon Musk has, we will need more money than the US government would ever dare spend on space. But how will we do this? Seems impossible does it not? It is not.
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[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451058]

>>15451056
Via the Blockchain we can solve a LARGE portion of all the bottlenecks I've outlined above. I will not go into detail about the computer science portion here but the idea is sound and needs more planning of course. However we can use a "governance token" to control the decentralized space industry. The token will be bought for say $1,000 each. A single token will allow you a single vote in the new corporation. Want to invest $10,000? You get ten votes. Elon Musk wants to buy a million votes for $1 billion cash? GREAT, don't care, I'll take his money and we will still have billions of tokens left to sell. Let me be very clear that ANYONE with the money will be allowed to buy into the corporation and PARTICIPATE in the governance of the corporation. While we will not cap how many votes someone has we will not allow selling of tokens, you are to buy in on a "one way basis" and have "no expectation of profit". A process will exist to transfer the token upon your death but nothing else. We are not communists who think people who pay less deserve more benefit.

Yes Elon Musk may own a million tokens but the country of India can own ten million, maybe the country of India is in agreement about issue X and Elon Musk disagrees, let the votes fall where they may and let the hive mind choose. This is the beauty of OSOCI Corp. We will operate as a massive hive mind spanning all of humanity. I, your humble author will not make choices, the world will. There will be close to 10 billion tokens made, sold for about $1,000 USD each. This yields a budget of $10 trillion for this company. In one stroke we have now created the largest collective intelligence and largest collective pocket book in human history. Our only goal will be to get as many humans into space as possible. The entire corporation will be focused on everyday humans and not billionaires. We are creating a pure meritocracy that guarantees success. 3/4

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451062]

>>15451058
The hive mind will punish anything short of success quickly and without mercy, as it should be.

All token holders will also be allowed and encouraged to contribute knowledge and work to the project. We will harness the power of 8 billion monkeys typing on 8 billion keyboards to create wonders the world has never seen. We will combine the pockets of those 8 billion monkeys to pay for it. This is no less the the entire mobilization of the human race to get into space.....if you think the token won't sell out instantly you are too stupid to live. It will sell out and then some, everyone will join. This is how humans colonize space, not on the back of a billionaire but with a tower of people that stretches to Heaven itself.

This is a very complex idea and I can't go into it too much more with out writing an essay but rest assured the blockchain portion will be a huge undertaking in and of itself.

As always questions, concerns, critiques, and whatever is welcome.

See you later Space Cowboys,
~OSOIC

[Anonymous No.15451071]

tl;dr

[Anonymous No.15451074]

/sfg/ newspaper when?

[Anonymous No.15451075]

>>15451074
4ass quarterly

[Anonymous No.15451078]

to that anon who was trying to 3d print a rocket engine:
have you considered pic rel as an alternative?

[Anonymous No.15451080]

>>15450968
Steel Chads, we simply cannot stop winning

[Anonymous No.15451091]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/blue-origin-wins-pivotal-nasa-contract-to-develop-a-second-lunar-lander/

nothing new, but a good summary of the announcement with context if you didn't read the last thread or watch the announcement

[Anonymous No.15451103]

https://spacenews.com/nasa-selects-blue-origin-to-develop-second-artemis-lunar-lander/

Fousts take, again nothing new but some stuff that wasn't mentioned in the arstechnica announcement (like 20 and 30 ton cargo versions of the lander) and some more context about why this competition was a thing in the first place

> Both SpaceX’s Starship and Blue Origin’s Blue Moon will eventually compete for missions after Artemis 5 under services contracts, an arrangement similar to what NASA uses for cargo and crew missions to the space station. At the announcement, Jim Free, NASA associate administrator for exploration systems development, said the agency was just starting planning for how it will acquire landers for those later missions.
something that I missed actually, even though kind of obvious

[Anonymous No.15451107]

>>15451074
the daily scrub

[Anonymous No.15451112]

https://spacenews.com/technical-strengths-and-lower-cost-led-nasa-to-select-blue-origin-lander/

Summary of the source selection statement

[Anonymous No.15451115]

I will never get over how the circumcised MVac looks it's just not natural vacuum optimized nozzles should be BIG and GIRTHY

[Anonymous No.15451117]

stubby MVac nozzle
I wonder how much money they save by doing this

[Anonymous No.15451124]

>>15450673
NASA is already dead, mate. They just don't know it yet. The future of space flight and exploitation is private. Even if all of humanity unites under a one species interstellar empire, those ships are still getting built by private companies.

[Anonymous No.15451138]

Someone in mission control has a smooth voice

[Anonymous No.15451146]

>>15451074
must have biweekly release schedule

[Anonymous No.15451148]

>>15451058
You have a very childish view on how to world works. "Elites" are not the handful of tech billionaires that you can read about in forbes. Also in your theoretical retarded cashocracy the country that owns the money printers to the world reserve currency just buys a 51% stake and owns all of space. I swear to god crypto bros are the most obnoxious faggots ever. Not everything needs to be on the blockchain, and no having a government based on how much fiat money you have is not smart or meritocratic.

[Anonymous No.15451158]

we were doing so well, and (You) had to ruin it.
kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15451159]

>wagner is now in full control of bakhmut
now that mercenaries are making a comeback, are we gong to see colonies ran by quasi-government corporations like it was in the 17th-19th centuries? they were known for fielding powerful armies that could conquer cities and countries.

[Anonymous No.15451162]

>>15451159
>>wagner is now in full control of bakhmut
may i see it?

[Anonymous No.15451165]

Houston, the Cape, Alabama, Boca Chica…
Dixie Land is the powerhouse of US space
https://youtu.be/u8L4ZZ1fweE

[Anonymous No.15451168]

>>15451148
>the country that owns the money printers to the world reserve currency just buys a 51% stake and owns all of space
Not if the Code of Conduct forbids it

[Anonymous No.15451170]

>>15451165
Kek true

[Anonymous No.15451174]

>>15451159
Maybe. Corporations were good for extracting raw materials from colonies and sending them back to the homeland, but I really don't think that that's a viable business model for space settlement due to the expense involved in shipping stuff back. Honestly, it's extremely hard to predict how people will govern themselves in space: it's likely that in the initial stages they will simply use the law of their home countries and send people back to earth if they are a liability to the colony, but I would expect that would change as a colony grows.

[Anonymous No.15451177]

>>15451112
>lower cost
heh

[Anonymous No.15451182]

So boys, Starship 2030 launch plausible or too fast?

[Anonymous No.15451184]

>>15451174
>due to the expense involved in shipping stuff back
99% of the expense is in shipping things to the resource you want to exploit. Shipping stuff back is super cheap once the infrastructure is in place. You just nudge it towards earth and gravity does most of the work.

[Anonymous No.15451187]

>>15450330
Why is reusability a requirement for the Artemis contract?

[Anonymous No.15451188]

>>15451184
If you're in earth orbit, sure. This isn't the case for anywhere else though.

[Anonymous No.15451191]

>>15451188
and even then, it's still a bit more than can be qualified as a 'nudge'.

[Anonymous No.15451194]

>>15451177
lower cost than dynetics alpaca, the other contender

[Anonymous No.15451195]

>>15450295
If they get the cryocooler working I will be genuinely impressed but it doesn't explain why they chose to do that instead of just use methane or propane like a normal person

[Anonymous No.15451197]

>>15451182
wtf are you talking about, its going to go orbital in like a month or two

[Anonymous No.15451199]

>>15451187
because why not? the point is permanent presence

[Anonymous No.15451201]

>>15451159
wrong board?

[Anonymous No.15451203]

>>15451195
ease of ISRU on the moon

[Anonymous No.15451204]

>>15451188
escaping the Earth gravity well is by far the most difficult and costly part. If you're somewhere in the asteroid belt or whatever, you could put yourself on Earth intercept with a moderately strong rubber band.

[Anonymous No.15451205]

>>15451197
lol
They couldn't even ignite their stage 2 engines, and are developing new engines now....
Tiles still don't work

[Anonymous No.15451215]

>>15451204
Descending a gravity well actually takes a lot of dV if you're in orbit farther out. Much, Much more than a rubber band. I think you've taken the well analogy too literally, it's not really like that.

[Anonymous No.15451223]

all this BO crap, and nobody cares about the successful OneWeb and Iridium Falcon 9 mission this morning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crdFx4HiSFw

[Anonymous No.15451224]

>>15451223
call me when their companies merge

[Anonymous No.15451227]

>>15450635
also
https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1659668952891670528
>The difference was SpaceX was never getting a chance previously. They were being boxed out in favor of established and more expensive incumbents. With HLS there was a competition and the lowest cost bid already was awarded. Now there was another competition and another winner. This is not about being a SpaceX fan. It is about ensuring the overall Artemis program has the funding for multiple lunar landings and not wasteful government spending. I don't want there to be another 50+ years before humans are walking on the moon again. There is one vehicle funded to take astronauts to the moon and it costs over 4B per launch!. Do we really think there will be a highway of traffic going to the moon on Orion to necessitate two very different lunar landers? IMHO, the goal should be to drive efficiency and frequency out of the existing vendors, not tack on more when there is barely the demand to satisfy the current vehicles.

[Anonymous No.15451233]

>>15451148
don't reply

[Anonymous No.15451237]

>>15451203
There's plenty of carbon in the moon

[Anonymous No.15451239]

>>15451223
ROUTINE
I woke up and caught it landing at least.

[Anonymous No.15451243]

>>15451215
He needs to remember that we are all beholden to the great well in the sky, the giver of light and holder of mass, Sol

[Anonymous No.15451244]

>>15451233
Just report, his schizo rambling got him banned already when he wasn't wearing a trip
Not sure how you admit to ban evading and don't get clapped immediately

[Anonymous No.15451247]

>>15451237
still much more complicated to manufacture methane or hydrocarbons compared to just breaking apart water (which you would need to do anyway to get oxygen and hydrogen for the hydrocarbons)
the extra complexity would increase the cost, I guess it might be too early to tell
but if BO gets some semi-simple system solar powered cryocooler working that isn't broken down too quickly (and the tanks etc aren't either by hydrogen embrittlement), then using hydrogen for moon operations might be cheaper than methane
I guess we will find out, it might make sense to manufacture methane on the moon as well and then use that to refill Starships for Mars missions instead of sending it from the earth and I saw some paper about moon ISRU economics previously posted here that argued that even if ISRU propellants are more expensive than earth sent ones, it might still be make sense to buy some or all of them from the moon due to comparative advantage
i.e. its more profitable to send satellite and similar payload up with the launch capability instead of just propellants
so ISRU propellants don't have to be strictly cheaper necessarily

[Anonymous No.15451254]

mmmm messiers


>>15451244
/sci/ is lightly moderated.

[Anonymous No.15451261]

>>15450330
i would fuck that chick raw

[Anonymous No.15451263]

>>15451112
>technical strengths

[Anonymous No.15451265]

>>15451215
only if you want to get back quickly
the slow boat might take a decade, but that doesn't really matter if it puts you over your profit margin

[Anonymous No.15451266]

>>15451265
time is the highest cost you idiot...

[Anonymous No.15451267]

>>15451148
don't feed the schizo

[Anonymous No.15451270]

Nuclear-powered spinning

[Anonymous No.15451271]

>>15451266
in the meantime you're making money off speculators via market manipulation

[Anonymous No.15451273]

what happens when we see a catastrophic event on a commercial station where 3 people die or whatever? government clamp down? It WILL happen

[Anonymous No.15451275]

>>15451273
Oh the humanity!
Anyway.

[Anonymous No.15451276]

>>15451273
Hopefully it doesn’t happen until there are 20+ commercial stations and 500+ people in space. It which point it will be sad but akin to people dying in a helicopter crash; the technology is too established to completely shut it down.

[Anonymous No.15451277]

>>15451275
actually but yet. Space is still for the brave

[Anonymous No.15451278]

>>15450282
>>15450318
>>15450350
>>15450362
>>etc
Where at these at? I can't seem to find them

[Anonymous No.15451279]

>>15451273
it will be the first time in recorded history humans have died in accidents and will lead to a total ban on structures of any kind or anything that spins (wheels, bearings etc)

[Anonymous No.15451284]

>>15451278
Got the links from the description under this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl5yQ6RX_eE

[Anonymous No.15451285]

>Annapura
>20% fatality rate
>'eh, it comes with the hobby'
but HQ video feeds of people being sucked out of airlocks with the audio of their screaming slowly fading as the air pressure decreases will be different for the public

[Anonymous No.15451291]

>>15451284
Thank you anon

[Anonymous No.15451306]

>>15450605
Gravitics, like VAST, is also a lot of SpaceX alumni. That's the "moat" Elon has created via Tesla and SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.15451309]

>>15450549
>>15450710

FUCKING CALLED IT:>>15450295

[Anonymous No.15451312]

>1961 + 62
>there is still no way to go to space without sitting on top of a skyscraper sized bomb
>nobody expects this to change for centuries

[Anonymous No.15451319]

>>15451312
Just found out about the laws of physics.... damn that shit sucks.

[Anonymous No.15451322]

Rocket Lab capsule wen?

[Anonymous No.15451328]

>>15451322
Archimedes hasn't even static fired yet LMAO.
You're about 5 years too early.

[Anonymous No.15451329]

>>15451312
all you have to do is either reduce gravity or remove the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15451333]

>>15450881
they effectively monopolized the commercial sat market by siphoning off the vatnik part. Now them throwing a hissy fit with the advent of the war sealed their coffin. Everybody else left are only surviving because of vested national interests that dont give a fuck about cost effectivness like Ariane

[Anonymous No.15451344]

>>15451187

Because NASA wants the architecture developed for the moon to be morphic for Mars. Starship is that architecture, hence the single source contract until Bezos got buttblasted and used his political connections to get BO the second contract. BO's HLS element can't scale beyond the moon. Starship architecture is designed FOR MARS, but INCIDENTALLY, can easily be morphed to suit the Moon. 90% of the entire tech and design stack that goes into Mars also works basically for literally anywhere in the solar system except Venus.

Starship is to JPL what Blue Origin is to Boeing's Starliner; and it shows. Starship at full stack and connected, even with TVC failure and half a dozen raptors still burning, did 4 full rotations while falling THROUGH the atmosphere back to the Earth and survived just fine until torsion stresses overruled the structural integrity of the vehicle. Starship is overengineered autism to Mars.

That's why NASA "went rogue" and why politicians have been livid about it since. They aimed for the stars and got everything they could ever ask for, for once in their lifetime since the Apollo era. NASA wants to basically just be able to sign contracts the same way a satellite maker signs contracts for Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy flights for crew and science missions to Moon, Mars, Enceladus, Titan, Pluto, Ceres, etc. Plus with the way SpaceX is designing the Starship missions, the probability of a single ship traveling long distances is going to be impossible. Any crew flight will always be accompanied by several cargo flights in support of TO a destination. This means that massive over-redundancy on the mission is guaranteed--and that's in addition to the 100T of drymass cargo that the crew vessel, itself, can carry.

Elon said "I want 1M people on Mars before I die. So we're going to build something that lets us put 100T of cargo on Mars with up to 100 people onboard." SpaceX wants to launch small villages each time; NASA WANTS that to succeed.

[Anonymous No.15451353]

>>15451344
>with up to 100 people onboard
It's not big enough. You can take that many people on a P2P flight or maybe a direct moon landing.

[Anonymous No.15451359]

https://twitter.com/DJSnM/status/1659924324835532800

[Anonymous No.15451363]

>>15451148
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY!
As I stated we welcome ALL CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUES SO WE CAN IMPROVE!

I've been involved with BTC since before you could buy two pizzas with it. I know how crypto works better than you fren. I will be building this on a robust and well proven existing blockchain that I won't name yet.

I PERSONALLY WILL BE IN POSSESSION OF 51% OF ALL OUTSTANDING TOKENS!!!

I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE...EVER! I WILL TAKE A VOW OF POVERTY AND LIVE STREAM MYSELF LIVING LIKE A POOR IF NEED BE! I care nothing for money, lobster, women, gold, or power. I will ride the bus with niggers and shop at Walmart from my own separate funds. I can not be bribed or tempted. I will defend myself if need be as well.

The tokens will be slow rolled over a period of perhaps ten years. batches will be released every month or so, the price will never change($1000). I personally will oversee the fair distribution of tokens. If I see fit I might even give a few away for free to slum kids in India or baby nigger kids in Africa. I will play the role of "Benevolent Dictator" which historically has been very successful with the proper tyrant. This is opposed to your current non-benevolent dictator model, elites like Musk and Bezos or just the US Fag Force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship

No one group will be able to gain a majority control and even if they try to kill me, a dead man switch will activate distributing the tokens at random to the most poor and down trodden brown people on this planet. I will hold the voting majority hostage and we will facilitate the token sales in as fair a manner as humanity possible. Like I stated the blockchain portion of this is complex and vast to say the least. It will be a grand undertaking but once the rules are made public billions will see a chance to get into the space game. I anticipate it being the largest "to-do" of the century. fr fr no cap

>>15451233
>>15451267
fags

[Anonymous No.15451368]

>>15451359
https://twitter.com/ValsAerospace/status/1659642417828511744

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451370]

>>15451363
Tripcode not working?

[Anonymous No.15451371]

>>15451368
https://twitter.com/Spaceman510/status/1659645618308915223

[Anonymous No.15451373]

>>15451359
It needs to max out at 46 tons because even on paper new glenn can't lift more than that. Unless they want to send it up dry and have the tug fuel it, which I know they're planning on doing for refueling later.

[Anonymous No.15451375]

>>15451353
Like, I said; up to 100, and more importantly the metaphor of launching small villages. Each long distance mission is essentially a village. <100 is a hamlet, >100 is a village. Mars is expected to have dozens if not hundreds of Starships launched per window with complimenting cargo vessels. If we assume that each Starship will max out at say 25 people (for interest of safety), and SpaceX launches 10 of these to Moon or Mars in a single mission, that's 250 people. That's a village. NASA wants that to succeed. Because you're in kind also launching 10 mobile habs to your target destination AND launching 1000T of dry mass payload + 150/200T~ x however many cargo starships to the same location.

You can then, relative to contract, scale that up and down as needed. Let's assume NASA wants to do a moon mission where they want to launch 25 people but want to minimize potential loss of life to 5 per. This means SpaceX will have to launch 5 Starships to the Moon. 5x5 = 25. So now, as per this mission, NASA has effectively launched 25 people to the Moon, put 5 mobile habs on its surface, AND put an additional ~400T of cargo on its surface. Nothing anyone else does, will compare to the insane capability that is; unless they 1-up Starship itself. Which, given how greedy and without vision most other launchers are, I don't see that happening this century.

[Anonymous No.15451378]

>>15451368
>valerie

[Anonymous No.15451381]

https://twitter.com/amrothos/status/1659688265937453058

> My next question is how the solar panel(s) will look. I mocked this up, but very little info was given during the event.

[Anonymous No.15451383]

>>15451368
>>15451371
Until the engine fails and kills everyone onboard, because its not an inert and directed system unlike a solid rocket motor.

>>15451381
>2 windows
>2030

Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.15451384]

>>15451378
like a quarter of space twitter seems to be trannies or spergs of another persuasion

[Anonymous No.15451385]

>>15451247
It's not that easy in cryocoolery

[Anonymous No.15451388]

>>15451384
>twitter
theres your problem

[Anonymous No.15451389]

MAKE A FUCKING MOONBASE ALREADY

[Anonymous No.15451391]

>>15451383
the 2 windows thing is just this dudes guess, in fact I might have heard its actually 3 windows
those 2 identical docking ports are also a guess that I don't think is strictly supported by what is known
one of them is shown in the actual artist illustration and the other way to get out is through an airlock, which is probably more like a normal door? why would it be a docking adapter thing instead of a door with a ladder

[Anonymous No.15451395]

>>15451391
just look at the OP pic of the thread. official renders have 3 windows on the visible side alone. for all we know it has 6 or 8

[Anonymous No.15451403]

>>15451237
There isn't.
It's about density.
The amount of water density is even questionable for propellant ISRU purposes.

[Anonymous No.15451410]

>>15451395
oh yeah the small one

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/bluemoon_nasa_option_2023-05-19_01.29.31_0.jpg

[Anonymous No.15451416]

>>15451381
Supposedly a dedicated lunar lander presentation was planned “after the second lander was chosen” so I think that’s on its way. They will probably go in-depth about the designs of lunar SS and BM

[Anonymous No.15451421]

>>15451410
right, and this is only one angle of a render of a pre-production design. pic rel is generous but my point is that saying "hur dur 3 windows 2030" is disingenuous given how little we know

[Anonymous No.15451423]

>>15451389
be cool to one day look at the moon and see a dot of light from a city.
We have to figure out a way to colonize other places eventually, or we die when this star and planet dies.

[Anonymous No.15451422]

>>15451353
Wrong. 100 people is a bit cramped for Mars but is easily doable for the week transit to the moon. For an hour point to point on earth you're looking at something like 700 people

[Anonymous No.15451425]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQnL6s2oQA8

[Anonymous No.15451428]

>>15451174
There was already a similar situation in the US's various "wild wests" and actual colonies.

In the Wild West model actual day to day self defense is left to individuals, some number of infamous criminals are captured by a combat troops or individual sheriffs and marshals. The law is only applied rarely by judges representing the distant national government.

In the colonial model, a military or civilian governor enforces laws passed by the mother country and otherwise acts with complete freedom in the daily government of the colony. Military force regularly is used to keep order.

The first scenario is a consequence of centralized control being difficult and the second is a consequence of strong central control.

Other models are possible, of course. An interesting example is the merchant federations of the Chinese in 18th century Borneo. They were outside of territory of the government they would have considered legitimate and needed to defend themselves against attacks and control by foreigners, so they banded together.

[Anonymous No.15451431]

>>15451421
>window on bottom to assist with landing
Don't be retarded, anon.

[Anonymous No.15451432]

>>15451431
I refuse

[Anonymous No.15451438]

thank you

[Anonymous No.15451442]

>>15451403
Just gotta find those juicy ore veins

[Anonymous No.15451454]

>>15451422
>point to point on earth
Never happening with vtovl

[Anonymous No.15451461]

Starship will not be flying humans any time soon, likely never.
Even if you look past the fact that there's no easy way to integrate a launch escape system into it, the stage separation and landing procedures are so unorthodox that humans are not going to be allowed in it during either maneuver, even after several successful demonstrations.
Once it's in space it's another story. HLS and stations are fine. even mars landing is if it doesn't try to do a belly flop.

[Anonymous No.15451463]

>>15451421
There's the window into the fuel tanks as well to check fuel status

[Anonymous No.15451465]

>>15451461
0/10 opinion
Feel free to never post again

Musk wants to get it human rated, has already gotten a human rating, and is willing to spend billions to do it again.

[Anonymous No.15451482]

>>15451461
>launch escape system
You don't need that for cargo launches

[Anonymous No.15451484]

>>15451461
>cars will never transport people, look at how quickly they go, its unnatural

[Anonymous No.15451498]

>>15451461
>there's no easy way to integrate a launch escape system into it
Just eject an escape capsule sideways

[Anonymous No.15451503]

>>15451482
nope. which is why it will do just fine taking cargo places.
look, don't get me wrong. having a cheap superheavy lift launch vehicle is going to be great. but posters here act like once it's up and running it will be the only rocket used for literally anything for the next 20 years until musk himself comes up with something better because noone else can compete.

[Anonymous No.15451505]

>>15451484
>if you go more than thirty miles an hour it will surely suck the air out of your lungs!

[Anonymous No.15451509]

>>15451498
True, anon's lack of imagination does not make a crisis for Elon.

[Anonymous No.15451510]

>>15451461
>>15451503
Cope harder. There is nothing stopping them from adding 3 pushers onto the booster.
There is nothing stopping them from adding fuel margin and flipping earlier during descent.
It is the way it is because they expect it to be fine.

[Anonymous No.15451516]

Daily reminder that Elon is ayypilled

[Anonymous No.15451517]

>>15451503
This is exactly what I think. Nobody is even close to spacex right now, unless you think that BO can actually pull ahead with Jarvis (unlikely). It's not like the starship design will stay as it is, they will likely make small improvements over the years and variants for specialized tasks. Even if somebody finds a way to use hydrogen fuel in a reusable vehicle (not refurbishable) starship will probably still get used for mars.

[Anonymous No.15451525]

>>15451516
what is this from?
clearly the all hands meeting was bullshit waste of time

[Anonymous No.15451528]

>>15451525
its from the lawsuit filing against elon and twitter by their former employees lol

[Anonymous No.15451533]

https://youtu.be/eQ-o1xMqjsY
beautifol voice and girl

[Anonymous No.15451536]

>>15451533
I love her mouse cursor

[Anonymous No.15451537]

>>15451533
thats a pretty good voice changer

[Anonymous No.15451543]

https://twitter.com/dandillondev/status/1659768695626014721

https://twitter.com/dandillondev/status/1659776284015366144

interview with babylon bee coming out at some point soon I guess

[Anonymous No.15451545]

>>15451543
https://twitter.com/dandillondev/status/1659786187392045056

[Anonymous No.15451548]

I can already imagine all the old space companies rubbing their hands together after this selection.
They are going to scam Jeff out of his entire fortune.

[Anonymous No.15451550]

[Anonymous No.15451554]

>>15451550
sort of want but the worm is still better for the cyberpunk 80s aesthetic

[Anonymous No.15451580]

rare Saturn V Shuttle concept!

[Anonymous No.15451594]

[Anonymous No.15451602]

Rockets.

FWOOOOOSH

[Anonymous No.15451603]

>>15451516
Meetings are bs, just set a 20 min limit to all meetings and people will stop talking about their stupid fishing trips or the fucking ayylmaos

[Anonymous No.15451610]

Ah so that's why it's been so shit lately. Someone is advertising this general on other boards, again.

[Anonymous No.15451613]

>>15451610
where? and who?

[Anonymous No.15451619]

>>15451610
(You)

[Anonymous No.15451620]

>>15451613
The collagefag. This >>15451610 is also him

[Anonymous No.15451622]

>>15451620

[Anonymous No.15451627]

>>15451622
do you keep a catalogue of all his deleted posts? i remember quite a few of those.

[Anonymous No.15451628]

>>15451461
i used to make posts like this but then i grew up

[Anonymous No.15451630]

>>15451622
That's only one of his two IPs in that thread.
/sfg/ is literally a single schizophrenic person

[Anonymous No.15451631]

>>15451630
Its (You)

[Anonymous No.15451632]

>>15451627
I'm not that obsessed, I just saved this particularly egregious moment for posterity, or in case he ever returns.

[Anonymous No.15451633]

>>15451533
hey gorgeous

[Anonymous No.15451635]

Whats the current progress on the S25 static fire, and how many steel plates have gone in? I do wanna see that static fire desu

[Anonymous No.15451636]

clear(ly a man)

[Anonymous No.15451640]

(iac for spaceflight)

[Anonymous No.15451642]

>>15451635
Bidet starship-Chan when?

[Anonymous No.15451643]

I say we beg NSA to install backdoors into every phone and ensure that we can tie any one person to all their devices, and we can ensure permanent bans with no possibility of ban evasions. Ever

[Anonymous No.15451644]

>>15451635
*steam explodes*

[Anonymous No.15451645]

>>15451635
well anon, let me just send my drone over so I can check, be back in a sec.

[Anonymous No.15451648]

[Anonymous No.15451653]

>>15451002
It's all fake, all of it.

[Anonymous No.15451655]

>/pol/ and /x/ brainrot
very dangerous combination
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/filename/1680602236136995/image/s5AStMBUJAb57aY_j9blvw/

[Anonymous No.15451657]

>>15451635
Wanna see the starship (slut) girl get a shower up her coochie coo

[Anonymous No.15451660]

>>15451635
they are still digging and installing pile foundations around an under the OLM, not all of steel structures have arrived either and they need to dig around for the water piping which is supposedly a bit difficult as this is a retrofit

[Anonymous No.15451679]

>>15451550
wow, this new ▲Λλ design is awesome

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451683]

>>15451363
Whats the deal with deleting my post fags? If it's because you think I was shilling some shit coin I could understand that. I wasn't. It's not done yet so I can't shill and I won't need to shill it here either way once it's done. So in retrospect I could see why that could upset you.
>>15451148
Just so you know I answered your question and the faggots of /SFG/ deleted it. I will own 51% of the tokens at launch and slow drip them myself for zero profits. I will not vote or participate.

You petty tyrants can't stop me and the more you try the more fun it is to come back. NO I'M NOT TRYING TO GET YOUR SHEKELS /SFG/.

So sad the lot of you dickless losers. Truly it is. Maybe it was such a good idea you couldn't let the plebs read it lest your master Musk lose all his power??? No worries, I'll be back.

[Anonymous No.15451690]

>>15451655
it's sad.

[Anonymous No.15451707]

I just wish we could be left alone and have fun talking about spaceflight. Seems thats too much to ask sadly...

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15451708]

>>15451683
No worries, your attacks just make me stronger. I didn't know about this /sci/ archive till you forced me to track down my own post, now I know so you see every attack you're actually helping me. THANKS!

/sci/ archive for anyone who needs it for any reason. Feel free to look up my post and know what faggot Musk Cultists don't want you to know. Like I said good luck banning and deleting the website once it goes live here soon.

>>/

[Anonymous No.15451719]

>>15451707
mass internet access was a mistake

[Anonymous No.15451723]

your posts have nothing to do with spaceflight anymore, before they were retarded and shit but at least had a small connection to the topic
now you are talking about crypto, whining about /sfg/, absolutely retarded

[Anonymous No.15451725]

>>15451723
it's a kid probably, just ignore and report

[Anonymous No.15451726]

>>15451719
It really was. The internet was much cooler when normalfags were still too dumb to use microsoft word's many shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.15451729]

if helium-3 is a meme, what resources can be gathered on the moon?

[Anonymous No.15451732]

>>15451729
nothing it's a shithole that is close enough to urf that it's useless trying to make your own stuff

[Anonymous No.15451733]

space flight general

[Anonymous No.15451738]

What space station company is /sfg/ riding with? Ive got Vast, they are realistic about their future and are being taken seriously by SpaceX. Once they become launch the first commercial space station, they will have investors begging to put their money in. Surviving just two years until its built is the only issue, but its a small module to start and they have a billionaire funding them, so I'm not too worried even if a recession hits

[Anonymous No.15451743]

>>15451729
Anon already said it, nothing. There is only one reason to go there, have a base to use it for gravity sling shots, and even then its not necessary. SpaceX is going direct to Mars on Starship

[Anonymous No.15451744]

>>15451729
Water ice is a big one.
There's probably also various metal ores since the moon IS, in essence, just bits of Thea and Earth fused into a round body.

[Anonymous No.15451746]

>>15450258
Ladderbros...

[Anonymous No.15451748]

Holy fucking kino

[Anonymous No.15451751]

>>15451729
I always figured lunar metals and gemstones could be very valuable. Diamonds are already a meme, they are just marketed to be expensive, I bet precious stones mined from the moon could be an ultra luxury product. Metals too, imagine a limited edition Rolex made out of diamonds and metal mined from the lunar surface? Shut would be expensive and the use case of lunar materials in luxury goods could justify mining operations in the moon

[Anonymous No.15451754]

>>15450258
if this thing won, what were the other entries?

[Anonymous No.15451756]

>>15451754
starship (which was already chosen earlier) and la creatura masso negativa

[Anonymous No.15451758]

>>15451751
Are you the lunar gemstone fag? Your ideas are shit

[Anonymous No.15451768]

>>15451751
Expensive watches with diamonds are not a big business at all.

[Anonymous No.15451772]

>>15451729
Mainly stuff that can be used in space or on the moon at a lower cost than bringing it up from Urf's well. We know we can get water (and thus hydrogen and oxygen), and we can make bricks out of regolith. If there's some carbon there too, that would be great.
Really we have almost no idea what's there, we really even don't know how deep the regolith dust is before you hit bedrock.

[Anonymous No.15451773]

>>15451751
the absolute state of space resourcefags

[Anonymous No.15451782]

>>15451772
This space resources cannot be profitable to earth unless launch costs go extremely low.
They will be profitable to people living in space only.

[Anonymous No.15451783]

>>15451773
There is no reason to go other than avoid mass extinction, sell tickets, sell land, sell hotel rooms, and just a few things to be produced in 0G.

[Anonymous No.15451785]

Defund Dragonfly

[Anonymous No.15451787]

>>15451729
if you just need a fuckton of mass is space and it doesn't matter what that mass is made of, it makes some sense to gather it on the moon. the original designs for the stanford torus had it gather regolith on the moon to use as radiation shielding.

[Anonymous No.15451788]

>>15451783
Once people live there you can produce and sell all the things you do on earth.
There is economic pressure then.
What is needed is an initial population of people who go because they want to.
Of which there exist plenty for the right ticket cost.

[Anonymous No.15451790]

>>15451782
>cannot be profitable to earth
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
And we literally don't fucking even know anything about what's up there other than the first few inches of dust and rocks.

[Anonymous No.15451792]

>>15451729
>if helium-3 is a meme
why? Because some edgy contrarian faggots said it is? It is a very rare isotope on urf

[Anonymous No.15451794]

>>15451788
Forgot about this but yeah, if a self sustaining colony exists then the founders and controllers have taxes to look forward to for economic incentive, but that takes a while.

[Anonymous No.15451795]

>>15451792
It's just as rare on the moon.

[Anonymous No.15451796]

Starliner is too good looking of a spacecraft to be so shit

[Anonymous No.15451799]

>>15451796
>good looking

[Anonymous No.15451802]

>>15451792
Helium-3 is a meme because fusion is a memetech. It also takes waaay too much money to develop everything needed to extract it and it's also very hard to get a sizeable quantity. So to review, the tech that wants to use it isnt ready for another couple decades (if that), the cost to develop anything to mine the shit is absurdly high, it is extremely low density and hard to extract allot of, the infrastructure to even get there still isnt ready, and there is very low demand. All in all shapes up for a horrible economic venture that wont be profitable until ALL of these obstacles have already been overcome for whatever startup is planning it.

[Anonymous No.15451807]

>>15451796
Oldfags have been brainwashed by oldspace, even when they accept that SpaceX is infinetly better they still subconciously cling to their old masters

[Anonymous No.15451809]

>>15451729
moon pies

[Anonymous No.15451811]

Today I will remind them.

[Anonymous No.15451813]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1660012919344513024

even musk shits on the cryptoschizo

[Anonymous No.15451815]

>r/spacelaunchsystem

do people really?

[Anonymous No.15451816]

go back

[Anonymous No.15451819]

>>15451815
gb2r

[Anonymous No.15451820]

>>15451454
It works for earth to LEO as well if you can keep the trip time under a few hours

[Anonymous No.15451831]

>>15451792
Helium-3 fusion power is even more speculative than regular old D-T fusion. That and you'd have to strip mine a lot of moon before it would be profitable, if it ever could be.

[Anonymous No.15451833]

>>15451815
SLS would be a perfectly fine rocket if it weren't for all the issues. at least she's pretty

[Anonymous No.15451836]

>>15451729
Aluminum, titanium, silicon, oxygen. Steel. I'm sure there's more but we haven't gotten any really good geological surveys out yet looking for ore.

[Anonymous No.15451837]

>>15451833
>>15451815
Samefag r*dditor

[Anonymous No.15451840]

>>15451836
>lets pay for a whole fucking two way rocket launch to ship just a few tons of common metals for earth on the moon back to earth
Great plan

[Anonymous No.15451841]

>>15451837

[Anonymous No.15451843]

>>15451738
Vast is Axiom light and nimble mode enabled. There's some advantage to do viable minimum product.

[Anonymous No.15451844]

>>15451840
its cheaper to launch shit from the moon to leo than from earth to leo

[Anonymous No.15451846]

>>15451840
>ship just a few tons of common metals for earth on the moon back to earth
nobody said this wellcuck

[Anonymous No.15451847]

>>15451840
The resources will be exclusively used on the moon you absolute retard

[Anonymous No.15451848]

>>15451840
Yeah that shit ain't really coming back to earth, processed metals might be cheaper shipped off Luna than from Terra for Lagrange point autism by otherwise I don't see the point.
You could probably set up a business scamming billionaires for Lunar granite countertops and desks though

[Anonymous No.15451849]

>>15451844
It’s cheaper to built any meaningful hardware on earth compared to the moon though

[Anonymous No.15451850]

>>15451836
>titanium
Processed in a vacuum so no oxides or nitrides then welded by electron beams. Finally Ti will be used everywhere

[Anonymous No.15451851]

>vast ceo is a crypto retard (apparently infamous on /biz/)
>presidents career is pic related
im not so sure on vast

[Anonymous No.15451852]

>>15451849
Yeah but big structural members are just the cheapest starting point

[Anonymous No.15451856]

>>15451844
not right now it isn't, theoretically it might be due to less dV needed but you need infrastructure on the moon which is very expensive

[Anonymous No.15451858]

>>15451848
>You could probably set up a business scamming billionaires for Lunar granite countertops and desks though
not scalable and not sustainable

[Anonymous No.15451859]

>>15451851
Could you give me his name?

[Anonymous No.15451861]

>>15451851
compare this with chris thompson (SpaceX's second ever employee)
>>15451859
Max Haot, Jeb Mccaleb is the crypto retard

[Anonymous No.15451865]

>>15451858
Step 2 of a multipart plan that ends with me blowing a big hole in the AI transhumanist cult living under the surface with a really big revolver

[Anonymous No.15451866]

>still talking about shipping lunar resources anywhere
Not happening and not the point of the question.
What part of "in situ" do you not understand?

[Anonymous No.15451867]

>>15450269
Who knows if this thing will ever take shape, but I do like the idea of a small-medium size lander in addition to Starship. Though I think ALPACA had more potential.
The smaller lander can do scouting and exploration, and perhaps land ahead of Starship to prep a landing site. Then Starship can be reserved more for bringing heavy cargo and such. Of course it all depends on what the actual final costs are of each vehicle.

[Anonymous No.15451873]

>>15451841
Liar

[Anonymous No.15451886]

>>15451867
>ALPACA had more potential.
at least jeffrey wasnt breaking the laws of physics

[Anonymous No.15451889]

>>15451886
>4.5km/s delta-v to go to and from nrho

[Anonymous No.15451894]

[Anonymous No.15451899]

>>15451851
website for sport events, livestreaming, camera for livestreaming
no aerospace experience, no manufacturing experience at all? software is engineering I guess and that is the where elon made his money at first, but this is quite a peculiar CV for the president vs for example gwynne shotwell as a president of SpaceX

Gwynnes CV before becoming the president at SpaceX on the other hand:

>86 Chrysler managment training program
>86-88 MS in applied mathematics
>88 The Aerospace Corporation (thermal analysis) both space systems and managment
>98 Microcosm inc director of space systems, responsible for business development
>2002 SpaceX, business development
>2008 SpaceX, president

Shouldn't an aerospace company president have at least some aerospace experience?

[Anonymous No.15451902]

>>15451899
>>15451851
TO BE FAIR he was president at launcher, and that did manage to launch something (even if it was a failure)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launcher_(company)

[Anonymous No.15451903]

>>15451861
oh he was the founder and ceo of launcher
it makes way more sense why he is the president
why wasn't that on the CV?

https://twitter.com/maxhaot
https://twitter.com/launcher

[Anonymous No.15451906]

>>15451796
>Starliner is too good looking of a spacecraft

[Anonymous No.15451908]

>>15451796
>>15451799

[Anonymous No.15451914]

>>15451851
>>15451903
>>15451902

2017 he founded Launcher, for some reason not mentioned there, also explains what he did between 2017 and 2019 before starting Mevo
maybe it was in stealth mode before being acquired by vast in 2023 and thus not mentioned?

[Anonymous No.15451918]

>>15451886
I was referring more to the basic concept rather than the exact design. I know there were some outstanding problems to solve with it.
Just the fact that it can place it's payload so close to the surface has some significant benefits, versus needing an elevator or a flight of stairs to get out.

[Anonymous No.15451922]

reminder that starship is only the size of a small boat

[Anonymous No.15451923]

https://twitter.com/maxhaot/status/1658318499771736065

looking through his twitter, seems to like rockets

[Anonymous No.15451927]

>>15451923
https://twitter.com/maxhaot/status/1647815351386750977

> Checking out with @JedMcCaleb the biggest rocket humans ever built which @vast will need for our Starship class space stations. (thanks @johnkrausphotos for the photo)

so is McCaleb as he is willing to fund all this I guess
I would say its still too early to tell
Even Isaacmans backround is in starting a payments company, that hasn't really stopped him from doing space stuff

[Anonymous No.15451928]

I mean elon was an early web weirdo with no space background

[Anonymous No.15451930]

>>15451748
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1660025122156158978

[Anonymous No.15451932]

Northrop my beloved

[Anonymous No.15451933]

>>15450759
>Go through his twitter feed
>Literally every single post is about Tesla/SpaceX/Elon

[Anonymous No.15451935]

>>15451932
when do we find out who wins the space station contract?

[Anonymous No.15451936]

>>15451813
>Musk follows dumb roastiecons
pain

[Anonymous No.15451944]

>>15451936
lmao

[Anonymous No.15451957]

>starship launched a month ago
>elon said 4-8 weeks for the next launch
TICK
TOCK

[Anonymous No.15451962]

>>15451957
they have a permit to launch as soon as june 15th

[Anonymous No.15451963]

>>15451957
>a 2 month estimate... means it takes more than one month?

[Anonymous No.15451970]

>>15451796
It doesn’t look good on an Atlas V but yeah I think it looks pretty. Fuck everyone else, just because it’s oldspace doesn’t mean it can at least he aesthetically pleasing

[Anonymous No.15451998]

>>15451957
Steel plates are literally already going in dumb fuck, pad will be ready and theyre static firing S25 very soon. They are on track to launch as they said.

[Anonymous No.15451999]

>>15451970
It isnt aesthetically pleasing, its an ugly piece of metal junk, even if SpaceX made it we would all call it as such

[Anonymous No.15452002]

>>15451922
It's the size of a medium boat

[Anonymous No.15452003]

>>15451998
The water system will take longer.

[Anonymous No.15452028]

>>15451998
Oh sweetie, aren't you forgetting about someone?

[Anonymous No.15452034]

>>15452028
federal space administration when?

[Anonymous No.15452058]

>>15452034
When Trump gets in

[Anonymous No.15452072]

>>15452034
Can we drop the administration, let's do a different ending, a happy ending if you will

[Anonymous No.15452117]

>>15452028

[Anonymous No.15452132]

[Anonymous No.15452147]

>>15451796
Is it made out of wet newspaper?

[Anonymous No.15452150]

>>15452117
NOAA

[Anonymous No.15452153]

>>15452117
The myth of "consensual" SLS
Oldspace Profiteers: I consent
Wholly Owned Senators: I consent
Taxpayers: I don't

[Anonymous No.15452156]

>>15452058
refer to >>15451811

[Anonymous No.15452158]

>>15452156
imagine being such a loser that even Donald Trump finds you too cringe to associate with

[Anonymous No.15452163]

>>15452158
Is that you CSS?

[Anonymous No.15452166]

Gonna be having some updates soon

[Anonymous No.15452167]

Soon

[Anonymous No.15452168]

>>15452158
What did i do to donald trump to deserve this?

[Anonymous No.15452171]

>>15452167
>down in starbase
i thought it was at masseys

[Anonymous No.15452172]

Oh so my boss said BM is a taurus design with BE-7s in the middle. Lol

[Anonymous No.15452178]

>>15452171
It's been moved.
Masseys is not ready for static fire

[Anonymous No.15452179]

why wouldnt a skyhook work?

NO IM NOT SKYHOOK SCHIZO, IM GENUINELY CURIOUS

[Anonymous No.15452181]

spinlaunched skyhook

[Anonymous No.15452185]

>>15452179
BECAUSE THEY JUST WOULDNT OKAY!!

[Anonymous No.15452186]

>>15452179
What is a skyhook, you fuckers have been talking about it for like 4 days now and I’ve just been ignoring the general for the sake of my sanity

[Anonymous No.15452190]

>>15452179
>skyhook

[Anonymous No.15452193]

>>15452179
Just read this
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2016/ph240/wee2/docs/391Grant.pdf

[Anonymous No.15452196]

>>15452158
Yeah, I would hate to be a trillionaire who fucks whoever he wants and is single-handedly changing the course of human history. What a loser!

[Anonymous No.15452197]

>>15452172
Jeff's doughnut of death

[Anonymous No.15452199]

>>15452186
There is a couple different suggestions, one is to have a horizontal space elevator that slowly rises into space from the ground, which could for example take maglevs
A few others are literal hooks that are orbiting earth while dipping far enough into the atmosphere that they can physically hook and reel a ramjet or something
Honestly I haven't read much into it, it confuses me and I don't get it.
Why not just build an elevator?
Here is another shared commonality between them, they all cost a hundred trillion dollars to make

[Anonymous No.15452200]

>>15452172
For the record I’m laughing but I don’t think it’s the worst design. Just sort of silly. Hope we see mock-ups soon, might make a trip to JSC in a few weeks to see if they have training hardware

[Anonymous No.15452201]

Staging

>>>/trash/56572817

[Anonymous No.15452208]

Depotfags, are time is near

[Anonymous No.15452212]

>>15452208
>are

[Anonymous No.15452216]

>>15452201
disappointing how low the bar is for furry art

[Anonymous No.15452217]

>>15452201
Finally a good op post!

[Anonymous No.15452225]

Australia gets a launch site agreement (like we have with NZ and Brazil). Finally Biden does something everyone can agree on.

https://twitter.com/AusSpaceAgency/status/1660070178137448449

[Anonymous No.15452228]

>>15452225
Isn't that pretty risky with how much chinese influence there is in Australia?

[Anonymous No.15452229]

>>15452201
Holy moly

[Anonymous No.15452230]

>>15452228
The point of such agreements is that it certifies they have protections against that in place. It's a guarantee of no forced tech transfer.

[Anonymous No.15452235]

>>15452225
Stralian Starships let’s go

[Anonymous No.15452237]

>>15451729
Titanium and Iron for shipbuilding.
Carbon for steelmaking would need to be imported.

[Anonymous No.15452239]

>>15450295
>the equivalent of being given a participation trophy for showing up

Actually, to use a more pertinent sports metaphor, the overrated pitcher just got a humiliating tap on the shoulder and is being escorted to the bench. NASA officially claims the Blue Origin lander is needed for Artemis V...it's actually for Artemis III.

Starship failed its audition. But keep the Falcons coming.

[Anonymous No.15452240]

>>15452186
In simple terms, it's a space elevator that doesn't reach all the way to the ground.

[Anonymous No.15452246]

>>15451783
With the right setup, all space industry can be based on the moon. Instead of launching satellites from Earth, they'll be built on and launched from the moon.

[Anonymous No.15452269]

>>15451848
>Luna
>Terra

[Anonymous No.15452271]

>>15451836
>Steel
Needs carbon

[Anonymous No.15452273]

Elon lied. he will never do another starship twitter space.

[Anonymous No.15452278]

you need to stop dropping the fucking popsci image for the slightest opportunity

[Anonymous No.15452281]

>>15452278
It's some 15 year old kid who doesn't understand the payload of the joke, only that it gets a reaction.

[Anonymous No.15452284]

>>15452278
>you need to stop dropping the fucking popsci image for the slightest opportunity

[Anonymous No.15452285]

pretty pathetic

[Anonymous No.15452286]

>>15452281
>>15452278
It's the same humorless tool who keeps dropping it over and over again, so I've just filtered it out already.

[Anonymous No.15452291]

they see me rollin'
they matchin' spin to enter the docking bay

[Anonymous No.15452298]

>>15452239
delusional. also self insert fail ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.15452299]

>>15452291
This post made me laugh out loud. Haters goingna hate B^)

[Anonymous No.15452302]

>>15452225
Holy shit Joe just go bald already

[Anonymous No.15452316]

>>15452278
It's transitioned into mocking the lack of vision of reflexive sceptics

[Anonymous No.15452321]

>>15452225
Aussie here
Can we haz starship lease naow?

[Anonymous No.15452328]

>>15452302
*go die

>>15452321
If Astra was still around that'd be most likely. Maybe hobbitlab?

[Anonymous No.15452332]

>>15452225
>brazil
Uh should they still share with them now that a commie chink supporter is running the country?

[Anonymous No.15452333]

>>15452332
Biden is also a chink supporter.

[Anonymous No.15452343]

>>15452332
saving the rainforest > going to space every time

[Anonymous No.15452352]

[Anonymous No.15452355]

[Anonymous No.15452358]

[Anonymous No.15452363]

ILRS vs Artemis Accords is the new space race

[Anonymous No.15452364]

[Anonymous No.15452374]

>>15452363
I will not visit the BRICS station, I like living.

[Anonymous No.15452379]

Blank posting should be banned

[Anonymous No.15452381]

[Anonymous No.15452382]

[Anonymous No.15452396]

>>15452316
it lasted all of 2 threads before it was driven into the ground

[Anonymous No.15452401]

>>15452396
That slow for you?

[Anonymous No.15452414]

>>15452172
The dream lives on

[Anonymous No.15452416]

>>15452381
>geography of the solar system
>(geo)graphy

[Anonymous No.15452421]

>>15452416
solargraphy?

[Anonymous No.15452427]

>>15452421
Death to soilar and word filters

[Anonymous No.15452439]

[Anonymous No.15452445]

>>15452439

[Anonymous No.15452448]

>>15452381
What defines the deep space boundary?

[Anonymous No.15452450]

>>15451368

[Anonymous No.15452455]

>>15451729
Rare earth metals

[Anonymous No.15452470]

>>15452179
On a fresh KSP save they work fine, although actually docking with one and getting dragged to orbit is an unsolved problem, but I do not want a giant cable spinning around in a VERY busy LEO

[Anonymous No.15452473]

>>15452269
That's the name of the rocks my dude
>>15452271
There are noncarbon steels.

[Anonymous No.15452474]

>>15451729
Who fucking knows. We sent a couple of guys up there with shitty excuses for shovels and had the bring back a little bit of the top regolith several man's ages ago.

[Anonymous No.15452478]

>>15452473
>noncarbon steels
No, steel is an alloy of iron (and other metals) with carbon to strengthen it. You'll find plenty of metallic alloys without carbon, but they're not Steel.

[Anonymous No.15452479]

>>15452448
You're no longer in a keplerian orbit and are now doing the 2.5 body problem, which does actually have solutions

[Anonymous No.15452480]

>>15452478
Nigger. Any alloy of iron that isn't shit is called steel and you'll just need to learn to live with that

[Anonymous No.15452482]

>>15452480
You know fucking nothing. Just close the thread.
Have a final (you) on the way out.

[Anonymous No.15452486]

>>15452448
Its McDowells chart from
https://www.planet4589.org/space/deepcat/ems.html
he defines the DSB as the radius of a circular orbit of period 1/4th the Moons

[Anonymous No.15452490]

>>15452478
pretty sure stainless steel doesn't need carbon

[Anonymous No.15452494]

>>15452343
TRFD

[Anonymous No.15452495]

>>15451850
Vacuum is only available temporarily until we terraform the Moon

[Anonymous No.15452496]

>>15452482
Ah that's true. You're still a nigger even if I'm wrong. Thought for sure there were a few types of stainless with almost no carbon...
Anyway steel is less than 1% carbon by weight, shouldn't be that hard to find carbon in the moon.

[Anonymous No.15452499]

>>15452480
Not him, but what about Alnico

[Anonymous No.15452514]

>>15452496
Titanium plus iron is even better

[Anonymous No.15452523]

>>15452490
You may want to recheck your sources. Protip: It ain't steel unless it's got carbon in it.

[Anonymous No.15452530]

You WILL live in the airbed
>Large scale anchored pressure structure. The low pressure structure allows for the existence of the lake and eventually surface life forms. The structure covers a smaller Earth pressure habitat seen in the foreground.
https://marspedia.org/Paraterraforming

[Anonymous No.15452534]

>>15450295
I'm so glad these problems solve themselves, sit back and relax folks

[Anonymous No.15452535]

>>15452523
wow look at that the most common stainless steel has no minimum carbon content and a maximum of 0.08%

[Anonymous No.15452536]

>>15452535
I'm retarded and highlighted the wrong > < symbol, 304l less than 0.03

[Anonymous No.15452538]

>>15452535
>has no minimum carbon content
It stops being steel once that carbon content drops to 0 though.

[Anonymous No.15452539]

>>15452535
Ok smart guy, why don't you make your "stainless steel" with nothing but cast-iron, chromium, and nickel, and see how it goes.

[Anonymous No.15452540]

>>15452499
>magnet alloy
Interesting, does it have useful mechanical properties or is it only good for magnets
>>15452514
I'm sure there's plenty of bomb-ass alloys that can be created from the elemental composition of bulk moonrock

[Anonymous No.15452542]

This makes me want to call up my old teachers and get their opinions

[Anonymous No.15452543]

>>15452539
>cast iron
No. Electrolytic iron.

[Anonymous No.15452550]

Curious about the business model of Axiom commercial missions,

How is it funded, what is the mission, how does axiom profit is spacex gets paid 50 mill for the launch?

[Anonymous No.15452551]

The best part is no part. Since carbon is a part of steel, Starship should be made of cast iron. Imagine how badass that would look.

[Anonymous No.15452561]

https://twitter.com/SFGSpacePorn/status/1658937908894613506
wtf we have an official twitter now?

[Anonymous No.15452563]

cast iron worked for the victorians, it'll work for us

[Anonymous No.15452565]

>>15452551
You need a decent amount of bronze and copper for that steam punk aesthetic. I'm thinking lox cooled glass bell nozzles to really sell it.

[Anonymous No.15452569]

>>15452561
gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

[Anonymous No.15452574]

>>15452561
wholesome

[Anonymous No.15452580]

>>15452574
Roddit niggur

[Anonymous No.15452583]

>>15452551
Oh my god she's so fucking cure I just want to kiss and cuddle her

[Anonymous No.15452584]

>>15452427
Go a single day without using energy from the Sun, you won't, pussy.

[Anonymous No.15452585]

>>15452584
does that count energy already in my body?

[Anonymous No.15452586]

>>15452584
Hmmmmm nuglear

[Anonymous No.15452587]

>>15452585
No but you can't eat anything grown with sunlight, can't use fossil fuels or renewable energy, and you have to tunnel deeply underground so you're not benefiting from its heating effect.

[Anonymous No.15452588]

After literally three seconds of thought, I deduced that there are only three sources of energy that are not from solar fusion:
Geothermal
Nuclear
Tidal

[Anonymous No.15452589]

explain this
>>15451451

[Anonymous No.15452591]

>>15452588
geothermal is from tidal forces from the sun
same with tidal
nuclear is solar byproducts

[Anonymous No.15452593]

>>15452591
Tides are produced by the moon.
Geothermal is leftover heat from the Earth's formation, and nuclear fission in the Earth.
>nuclear is solar byproducts
wat

[Anonymous No.15452595]

>>15452589
Moe anthropomorphization is a universal thing, you can't escape it. Cursed to gaze at the childlike visages your suppressed internalized pedophilia and cute aggression cause you to lash out in blind, idiot anger
>>15452591
You are big retard and also what this guy said: >>15452593

[Anonymous No.15452597]

>>15452593
where do you think all that material came from to make earth you big dumb idiot

[Anonymous No.15452598]

>>15452593
Tides are produced by both the Sun and the Moon, also the ocean would be frozen solid without it.

[Anonymous No.15452600]

>>15452597
Not from Sol

[Anonymous No.15452603]

>>15452597
If you're attempting to have a conversation with someone there's no need to be mean and insult the other one.

[Anonymous No.15452606]

>>15452593
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/uranium-resources/the-cosmic-origins-of-uranium

[Anonymous No.15452610]

God I fucking hate Terrans.

[Anonymous No.15452613]

>>15452610
>t. the Zerg Overmind

[Anonymous No.15452615]

>>15452610
Yet you are a Terran, how curious!

[Anonymous No.15452623]

>>15452615

[Anonymous No.15452628]

Im taking back my (You)

[Anonymous No.15452638]

>>15451851
I TOLD YOU losers that it was a scam, but NOOOOO, you just loved the SPIIIIIN TOOO DAMN MUCH.
I will laugh when 2024 comes and goes, I already have some very juicy Vast hopium stored on my hard drive.

[Anonymous No.15452641]

we have spaceships to get us get us to space, the moon, and mars. now all we need is more destinations.

[Anonymous No.15452645]

>>15452225
>Australia gets a launch site agreement

It's Phantom Space by the way, launching from Arnhem Space Centre on the north coast.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/phantom-space-corporation-selects-arnhem-space-centre-for-new-dedicated-launch-site-301802415.html

[Anonymous No.15452648]

>>15452641
May I introduce you to the solar system?

[Anonymous No.15452652]

Why wouldn't it work?
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/magnetoshell-aerocapture-for-manned-missions-and-planetary-deep-space-orbiters/

[Anonymous No.15452660]

>>15452641
If old space weren't a bunch of crooked retards futilely trying to push out SpaceX for a future Mars mission, they would be looking at a SEP mission to Mercury leveraging the technology on Gateway.

[Anonymous No.15452662]

>>15452648
i meant space stations and colonies

[Anonymous No.15452665]

Could you build a giant mirror or lens in LEO or MEO that focuses the Sun’s light like a giant magnifying glass as a weapon

[Anonymous No.15452667]

>>15452665
Holy fuck your brain is absolute mush. Gb2r

[Anonymous No.15452668]

>>15452665
yes
its why space-based solar power is going to be highly monitored and regulated

[Anonymous No.15452679]

>>15452665
i couldn't personally no.

[Anonymous No.15452696]

>>15452665
>t. Gustav Graves

[Anonymous No.15452703]

>>15452696
Ni-

[Anonymous No.15452713]

>>15452665
Yes

[Anonymous No.15452738]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekFE2RxBMI

Ax-2 in 10h

[Anonymous No.15452746]

>>15452738
trenchbros, we're back

[Anonymous No.15452759]

flame diverters as a service

[Anonymous No.15452761]

https://spacenews.com/agencies-studying-safety-issues-of-lox-methane-launch-vehicles/

> At a May 15 meeting of the Federal Aviation Administration’s Commercial Space Transportation Advisory Group (COMSTAC), FAA officials described efforts that are underway to understand the explosive effects of that propellant combination in the event of a launch accident.

> That propellant combination has been used on two launches of American vehicles to date: Relativity Space’s Terran 1 on March 22 and SpaceX’s Starship April 20. It will also be used on engines that will power Relativity’s larger Terran R as well as Blue Origin’s New Glenn, Rocket Lab’s Neutron and United Launch Alliance’s Vulcan Centaur.

> Companies are attracted to liquid oxygen (LOX) and methane since it offers a higher specific impulse, a measure of efficiency, and burns cleaner than LOX and kerosene, noted Brian Rushforth, the manager of the innovation division in the FAA’s commercial space transportation office. But, there’s little information about the explosive potential of that propellant combination.

> “We just don’t know the yield of the explosive enough from the FAA perspective, so that’s why we’re conducting experiments,” he said at the COMSTAC meeting. The concern is that both LOX and methane are miscible, meaning that they readily mix together, increasing its explosive potential.

[Anonymous No.15452764]

>>15452761

[Anonymous No.15452770]

>>15452761
Why do they constantly scheme for excuses to create more regulations?

[Anonymous No.15452781]

how do we stop them?

[Anonymous No.15452786]

[Anonymous No.15452791]

[Anonymous No.15452793]

>>15452551
>Make rocket out of cast iron
>Fill it with oxidizer
>crumbles into a pile of rust

[Anonymous No.15452794]

>>15452791
Kys faggot ur art is shit

[Anonymous No.15452797]

>>15452584
Not him but I work on submarines, fuck sunlight and fuck surface dwellers desu

[Anonymous No.15452798]

>>15452797
extremely based.

[Anonymous No.15452799]

>>15452321
Will this also mean that I can work at SpaceX? Or Oldspace if I wanted to?

[Anonymous No.15452800]

>>15452794
thanks for the (You)
It isn't my art, albeit.

[Anonymous No.15452804]

>>15452797
In my headcannon submariners are all gonna be paid millions of dollars to work in spin hab stations because they're already train to work in confined and isolated spaces

[Anonymous No.15452805]

>>15452793
doesn't it make is a hybrid FeLOx?

[Anonymous No.15452806]

reminder that Terry A. Davis chose Elon Musk to be one of his high priests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aidWkN4YooU

[Anonymous No.15452807]

>>15452800
Absolutely seething, brags about getting a (You) to compensate.YWN be an artist

[Anonymous No.15452808]

>>15452807
I hope you like this instead

[Anonymous No.15452809]

>>15452805
Turns into FeO, which is only a good oxidizer for certain things, such as an additive for solids.

[Anonymous No.15452811]

>>15452808
wtf is that real? how did he do that?

[Anonymous No.15452815]

>>15452811
This is on Venus, ignore the blue its lens flare or something

[Anonymous No.15452820]

>>15452804
First time I visited a sub it was under maintenance with all the cables and pipes everywhere, legit felt like I just wandered onto the ISS, highly recommended

[Anonymous No.15452822]

>>15452805
Thermic lance rocket?

[Anonymous No.15452823]

>>15452804
you're going to make it anon. wagmi.

[Anonymous No.15452824]

Actual fucking twitter ad. Not giving these bastards free advertisement but first time it was semi relevant to me

[Anonymous No.15452829]

>>15452823
Based Vast poster

[Anonymous No.15452833]

I want to go there...

[Anonymous No.15452836]

>>15452833
Go to Utah

[Anonymous No.15452838]

>>15452833
best thing about ss is both spinsisters and well dwellers can both live their dreams (and more)

[Anonymous No.15452843]

>>15452833
Could you even feel this? What if you stepped into one?

[Anonymous No.15452845]

>>15452781

[Anonymous No.15452846]

>>15452843
i imagine it would be like a very slight breeze on earth. the vast planet wide dust "storms" are annoying for your solar but not destructive in any way.

[Anonymous No.15452849]

>>15452806
The trust of a schizo is valuable beyond measure, this is the greatest endorsement of Musk I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.15452850]

>>15452843
They don't even phase you on earth unless it's a big one like from the meme
Your eyes are gonna be full of sand thou

[Anonymous No.15452855]

>>15452850
Fat nigger

[Anonymous No.15452861]

When will we send the first nigger to Mars?

[Anonymous No.15452875]

>>15452806

[Anonymous No.15452909]

https://spacenews.com/space-force-looks-at-options-for-relieving-cape-canaveral-launch-congestion/

>“So we did the reverse: can you launch East Coast missions off the West Coast, from Vandenberg? Fascinatingly, you can,” he said. Such launches had traditionally been ruled out because of trajectories that would take vehicles over land.

>He didn’t elaborate on the analysis in his presentation, but said it “opened the door” for long-term discussions about eventually conducting launches to lower-inclination orbits from Vandenberg. “As we continue to hone safety analyses for the ranges, and as some particular launch providers have got a large number of successful launches, we’ve been able to narrow the boxes more and more,” he said, referring to exclusion zones for launches.

Looks like Falcon 9 launches over terrain might be on the menu.

[Anonymous No.15452933]

with so many raptors why doesn't spacex make a fat starship? 12m or 16m or something?

[Anonymous No.15452936]

>>15452861
idk, but I'm confident that to send more than a few mulattos, you'll need to force them.
Mars will just be too harsh and difficult to live on for a long while: niggers will say "wypipo so dumb, living on mars and dying" and they just won't go unless they get gibs, and even then they'll want to return eventually.

[Anonymous No.15452939]

>>15452936
then whities will be banned from mars since no diversity

[Anonymous No.15452941]

>>15452936
>blacks can't into colonization
tell me what this flag means anon.

[Anonymous No.15452944]

this black guy has already and will achieve more in space than you ever will.

[Anonymous No.15452945]

>>15452824
Do the tribe people who own the Spongebob IP know that someone is using it for advertising? That can't be a licensed use.

[Anonymous No.15452950]

>>15452850
protip: the word is "faze"

[Anonymous No.15452952]

>>15452950

[Anonymous No.15452953]

>>15452909
Vandenberg launches with RTLS at KSC when?

[Anonymous No.15452957]

>>15452944
Glover's cool, but he looks about as black as Obama, maybe even a little less.

[Anonymous No.15452958]

>>15452957
what's your point

[Anonymous No.15452963]

>>15452909
not happening, too many population centers if the rocket fails.

[Anonymous No.15452972]

>>15452963
expendable civilians

[Anonymous No.15452982]

>>15452953
The downrange landing area might be in Nevada somewhere, or even possibly still in California

[Anonymous No.15452996]

>>15452982
>Nevada
Doubtful that it would be at a higher latitude for an eastward launch. Also the RTLS profile needs an oh-shit water landing if something goes wrong. Lake Mead has been getting a bit low lately.

[Anonymous No.15453006]

>>15452941
Nigs shipped to the west african coast and dumped there

[Anonymous No.15453007]

>>15452833
Fake. The sky on Mars is red, as everyone knows.

[Anonymous No.15453009]

>>15452963
>What is FTS?

[Anonymous No.15453014]

>>15453009
It makes big bits into little bits. It does not make the little bits vanish; only being over water can do that.

[Anonymous No.15453018]

>>15452941
liberia is a massive failure

[Anonymous No.15453034]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1660240180211531777

[Anonymous No.15453041]

Okay this actually seems doable, there's fucking nothing between here and Vandenberg

[Anonymous No.15453073]

>>15453041
>Area 51 landing

[Anonymous No.15453078]

>>15452565
Use copper aerospikes for the engines and use cast iron propellant tanks since iron doesn't suffer from hydrogen embrittlement.

[Anonymous No.15453100]

Bing AI just designed a rocket/ship better than Starship

[Anonymous No.15453112]

>>15453100
>spaceplane
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.15453126]

Perun powerpoint kino on space militarisation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xl0C6K2Nug

[Anonymous No.15453167]

Thread has staged.

Ignition:
>>15453165
>>15453165
>>15453165

[Anonymous No.15453168]

>>15453073
No, this is just on the other side of the Colorado River from Cottonwood Cove, only barely not in the playable area of Fallout New Vegas.

[Anonymous No.15453171]

>>15453078
Iron hydride blows ass as a structural material mostly because it isn't a stable phase. The hydrogen penetrates and then leaves unevenly which fucks up pure iron

It'll work if you can keep it saturated but you can't