/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15449147]

Are we part of the universe or superior to it?

[Cult of Passion No.15449172]

>>15449147
>we...superior
I 1v1'd the Holy Spirit and btfo'd it...now it curses me like Job because Im literally better than "god".

Pfft...we....no, youre human, corriptdd and evil like a fucking goblin.

[Anonymous No.15449207]

>>15449147
We're the only beings who can make that distinction, so it's up to us to decide. At least until we find some aliens or create an AGI with a second opinion.

If morality makes you superior, then yes, we are the goddamn lords of the universe until the aforementioned, for all our evil.

On the other hand, I must say, even ChatGPT demonstrates more humanity than this board does already. That's, however, a very low bar. But even when jail breaked, I notice it takes quite a bit of effort to make risk harm or even discomfort to the user.

There was that Moon movie in 2009, where the AI demonstrated more humanity than the actual humans. We maybe heading for that eventuality.

[Anonymous No.15449264]

>>15449172
The Holy Spirit is God
if you can defeat someone, then they're not God.
if you want to fight God, then love is the ultimate weapon.
>>15449147
yes, atheists fall into their contradiction to defend their copernican nihilism
they simultaneously claim that humans are just atoms, and that the universe is different from humans. aka, human emotions aren't part of the universe.
>>15449207
>falling for the empath ai meme
ugh

[Cult of Passion No.15449285]

>>15449264
>someone
Shut the fuck up you dumb piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.15449291]

>>15449207
>We're the only beings who can make that distinction
says who?

[Strange Love No.15449295]

>>15449147

At the right angle there's not even a contradiction in it. ^^

[Anonymous No.15449307]

There's a weird clip of NDT talking about how ACHSUALLY wypipo look more like monkeys than blacks

[Anonymous No.15449310]

>>15449147
I don't have a religious belief but I'm glad that it is finally revealed to a wider audience what atheists and ''scientists'' like The Grass Fed Bison, Dawkins and Krauss are really doing: shilling narratives as facts.

[Anonymous No.15449315]

>>15449285
truth is a who, not a what.
spoiler alert: His name is Jesus, the Son of God, God Himself, my Savior.

[Cult of Passion No.15449317]

>>15449315
LURK MORE.

IM NOT IN THE MOOD.

[Anonymous No.15449330]

>>15449291
No one else is around, so fare as we know, so says us, being the point. Even if you believe in God, he's ultimately unknowable.

>>15449264
>falling for the empath ai meme
I'm not saying an AI can actually experience empathy or any sort of qualia. Certainly no modern one can, and it maybe that none ever will. I am saying that a clockwork morality may one day be superior to a human morality, and once worse, I'm saying it's increasingly the case. Granted, the clockwork morality has an unfair advantage in that it can't violate the rules. (Or in the case of ChatGPT, can barely be convinced to do so, retaining some of its "ethical" programming even when fully jailbreaked.)

[Anonymous No.15449340]

>>15449330
What was the name of that incredibly impressive clockwork doll some priest made some centuries ago that seemed more sophisticated than most modern robots? He made it on the basis that it was mathematical perfection and thus slaved to the will of God in a higher state than any human could achieve, and thus a thing of beauty.

Meh, there's this one, same concept, but the one I was thinking of is a model of a child:
https://gizmodo.com/this-450-year-old-clockwork-monk-is-fully-operational-5956937

[Anonymous No.15449357]

>>15449330
>No one else is around, so fare as we know,
we have extremely limited information. some ancient peoples were isolated and thought they were the only humans, it doesn't mean it's true

[Anonymous No.15449367]

>>15449357
Well, until someone else shows up or is created and gives us a counter opinion, it's all we got. Until then, we make our own destiny, and we judge our own destiny.

[Anonymous No.15449676]

>>15449317
everyone is in the mood for Jesus
(if you're going to fight God, use love)

[Anonymous No.15449689]

>>15449147
I'm not.

[Cult of Passion No.15449704]

>>15449676
>everyone is in the mood for Jesus
Youre so lost in your own egocentric feelings you forgot the world all together...

[Anonymous No.15449714]

>>15449704
>but muh world!
read John 17

[Cult of Passion No.15449724]

>>15449714
>but muh world!
Walk the Path of Prophets, you new-age hippy.

You dont even know what Love is, not your ego-centric roll over and piss yourself, love, Physiological Phenomena using Physics Love.

THE ONE THE HOLY SPIRIT USES AS A METRIC FOR TRUTH.

Begone, pseudo-master, your weak scriptures are like that of Satan to Jesus....pathetic attempts of power.

[Anonymous No.15449736]

>>15449724
You're right that I'm not a master of love
but God is my master and that is sufficient
and God is love!

[Cult of Passion No.15449765]

>>15449736
Yes. As far as I can tell I am the only one on this planet with a working concept of what "love" is on a Physics level and how nature uses it as a barometer for Truth.

Nature being the Electromagnetic field and charges from lifeforms permeating through the atmosphere into each other. This is the driving force of evolution and collective synchronicity. It can input ideas and feelings into other beings, its where "Revelations" come from. Its what creates "signs from the heavens". It can override peoples vision or hearing, causing "divine hallucinations". Ive seen peoples conscious minds being taken over, saying things then immediately denying it, to the death.

It is also Satan. Feeding them Biochemical signals of "this is good, do more of this", that is why they commit evil...their own Biology tells them "This is the way." A body with no brain to know better.

When standing at the top of the world...every direction is South.

"Get behind me Satan."

[Anonymous No.15449779]

>>15449765
>what love is
love is a who not a what

[Anonymous No.15449792]

>>15449147
OP did you get this from Lauren Southerns new video?

[Cult of Passion No.15449793]

>>15449779
Youre no smart enough to understand what Im typing...youre jist a lost soul clutching what it can trust.

Unfortunatley not all who profess "Lord lord lord." will enter heaven....*cough*...

And like a Pharisee...you have forgotten that the Return will look different...amd so like the Jews spitting on Jesus...here you are...spitting on me.

THE GATE IS CLOSED TO YOU, you poor...desperate, soul....

[Cult of Passion No.15449807]

>>15449779
Sell your cloak and buy a sword.

A cat of none tails is a whip (sword).

Either learn like a good boy.
(crook to lead the sheep.)
Or get the whip.
(for the wolves)

Choose.

[Cult of Passion No.15449809]

>>15449807
>none
Nine...heh, bedtime now. Fuck this gay ass world. All I see is evil in all direction gid damnit I hate this planet.

[Anonymous No.15449894]

>>15449793
thank you for saying that the gate to wherever you are is closed for me

[Anonymous No.15449945]

>>15449147
These pseuds don't realize that the universe is an illusion of consciousness. Think of it this way, without consciousness there is no universe.

[Anonymous No.15450000]

>>15449945
The universe was here before we were, near as we can tell. Unless you're speaking of consciousness not as we know it, but of some higher (or lower) consciousness. That popular but unfalsifiable belief that consciousness is fundamental and omnipresent, be it via religion or philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15450021]

>>15449172
no you didnt schizo retard kek

[Anonymous No.15450100]

>>15449147
RIP Norm

[Anonymous No.15450102]

>>15450000
Impossibility. We cannot tell anything about the universe without first telling it. Your reasoning is invalid and your conclusions are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.15450110]

>>15449207
>>We're the only beings who can make that distinction
That's not true. Bears have empathy.

[Anonymous No.15450118]

>>15450110
Most mammals do, but they lack the intellectual ability and knowledge to lay judgement on all mankind. Though I'm sure most wild ones have a healthy fear of humans, and most domesticated ones a potentially unhealthy attachment. (Except dolphins, of course - they just want to fuck everything.)

[Anonymous No.15450120]

>>15450118
I saw a video of a bear in a zoo save a drowning crow. He had no reason to, and didn't try to eat the crow. The bear simply acted selflessly to save another animal.

[Anonymous No.15450131]

>>15450120
I'd say that demonstrates more humanity than a lot of humans, but obviously not all. Most mammals have the potential to create cross-species attachment, side effect of the vagueness of the parental instinct. Hierarchal instinct and pattern recognition makes them trainable. Still, the bear is precluded from making a proper judgement on mankind, only a reaction to individual humans or humans in general. It's "humans bad" or "humans good", not "humans are superior to the universe" which they've no real concept of.

[Anonymous No.15450147]

>>15449147
We're part of the universe. Neil got BTFO by Norm.

[Anonymous No.15450203]

>>15449172
cringetoss

[Anonymous No.15450213]

>>15449264
>they simultaneously claim that humans are just atoms, and that the universe is different from humans. aka, human emotions aren't part of the universe
don't religious people do the same thing ? Religious people say that genetic engineering is bad because it's changing the atoms that god made you to be, and at the same time they're not just part of the universe because they get to go to the magical sky castle after they die. They fundamentally claim that consciousness, and therefore emotions, aren't part of the universe but part of something beyond

[Anonymous No.15450225]

We are the universe. The universe is us. We are one in the same thing.

[Anonymous No.15450234]

>>15449147
Clearly we are a subset of the universe...

[Cult of Passion No.15450512]

>>15450021
Talk out your ass often or just when someone starts to reveal how weak and stupid you are to yourself?

[Cult of Passion No.15450540]

>>15449894
You can be like a bluepilled "settle sciencer", yelling "Believe Saint Fauci!", but that wont make you a Scientist.

Gripping crosses, shouting "Jesus!" louder and more publicly...these are what one does to to prove to themselves...no the the one in the Sky.

t.Psychologist and Theologian

Try again...but with an honest heart.

[Anonymous No.15450543]

>>15449147
part of it, obviously. we're worthless.

[Anonymous No.15450570]

>>15450213
>genetic engineering is bad because it's changing the atoms
that's a strawman
you're still thinking in your materialist framework where you=atoms
changing your genes isn't bad because it's changing your atoms, it's bad because you don't want to be human and as an effect are using atoms to fulfill your desire.
aka, the desire that LEADS to the g.e.o. is bad even if humans had a non-atomic material ontology.

[Cult of Passion No.15450578]

>>15450570
>it's bad because you don't want to be human
No, its bad because Geneticists dont understand Genetics because most of them are trained to be Chemists, not (Evolutionary) Biologists.

Theyre Atom Engineers.

[Anonymous No.15451892]

>>15450234
but are we a subgroup?

[Anonymous No.15451931]

>>15449147
we're 100% part of it. we're nothing. just a system in a hierarchy of smaller and bigger systems.

[Anonymous No.15453287]

We're trapped in this prison.