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Modern medicine has its myths like "humors" as well, for example the long standing myth that depression is caused by an imbalance of serotonin. To this day doctors prescribe SSRIs to "treat" the imbalance of serotonin, which have been statistically shown in placebo studies to have zero effect on depression, yet they still prescribe them. It's just as mythological as humoric imbalances.

>> No.15448303

>>15448297
>It's just as mythological as humoric imbalances.
Nobody ever got filthy rich balancing humours, and the practitioners who did it actually believed that it worked. No doctor with an IQ over 100 (so excluding most psychiatrists) actually believes that antidepressants help.

>> No.15448348

>>15448297
>To this day doctors prescribe SSRIs to "treat" the imbalance of serotonin
No they prescribe SSRIs to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin which should in practice make good things feel better, why do you talk out of your ass when you haven't worked in medicine or don't know how things work.

>> No.15448358

>>15448348
>No they prescribe SSRIs to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin which should in practice make good things feel better
The word you want is not "practice," it's "theory." In the theory of fucking morons who don't even study calculus in their training, serotonin would have that effect. In the theory of anyone who uses their head for more than a hatrack, dynamical systems aren't that simple and doctors should be shot for their gross incompetence.

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>>15448358
LOL you are retarded as fuck, if you want to know how powerful extra serotonin can be do some MDMA, they don't call it "ecstasy" for nothing, SSRIs are simply extremely toned down to prevent serotonin syndrome and/or addiction, their effect varies because not everyone is "depressed" in the same way, I think antidepressants and antipsychotics should be reserved for some more extreme cases, most people are just incapable of acting on logic and rely on emotion, which is bad when your subconscious is constantly feeding you garbage, in which case you don't need antidepressants but to simply stop being a whiny bitch and realize the wonder of this universe and your potential in it

>> No.15448548

>>15448387
Any antidepressants come close to mdma?
Feels like I got punched in the chest really hard all day every day.

>> No.15448635

>>15448548
No, absolutely not and probably for good reason, that shit feels fantastic but can also be very dangerous like all drugs and the potential for addiction is too great

>> No.15448652

>>15448387
>has no understanding of dynamical systems
Dumbass, a system's response to an isolated instance of a novel stimulus is not predictive of the system's response to a permanent addition of the same stimulus. Keep taking MDMA every day for years, as SSRIs are prescribed, then come back and tell me it has the same effect years later.

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>>15448652
Except your comparison is bad since you're comparing a single ml of vodka with a truck full of moonshine, antidepressants are not prescribed for several years and most people do not take them for that long for precisely that reason, your brain gets used to it, which is also why there's a significant danger in falling back to your old depressive habits after you get off them, since now you're getting less serotonin than you did on SSRIs. Like I said, I don't think pills should be given to everyone, most people could get away with just excercising some more-than-average critical thinking and applying logic to their situation instead of looking at everything through a monochromatic lens, but I can't simply deny that these things don't have their applications when there is much evidence to prove otherwise, if you have an issue with medical institutions haphazardly prescribing pills to everyone you should take it up with them, but you shouldn't shit on the method that has been shown to work.

>> No.15448717

>>15448297
Modern medicine is a very lucrative racket, and tax funding doesn't change that, it just assures profit and hardens their monopoly.

>> No.15448732

>>15448709
>more-than-average critical thinking
but that's how you realize how boring and stupid you and your close ones are and that everything non-trivial you think (for yourself) is stupid and likely wrong and that you'll just have to go through life larping as someone who actually thinks he knows what he's talking about or be a weird skeptical weirdo

>> No.15448812

>>15448709
>you're comparing
Wasn't my comparison.
>antidepressants are not prescribed for several years
Yeah that's bullshit. Prescribing guidelines call for changing the particular antidepressant used once efficacy begins to wane, but that's still multi-year antidepressant therapy, and also presumes that the prescriber in question can be bothered to monitor for efficacy.

>> No.15448822

>>15448297
Some other myths: "saturated fat causes heart disease", "ldl cholesterol is bad", "parasites", "MTOR/fasting", etc

>> No.15448857

>>15448652

>a system's response to an isolated instance of a novel stimulus is not predictive of the system's response to a permanent addition of the same stimulus

Bingo. You're merely fucking with the sensitivity of the pathways and cell surface receptor levels / receptor recycling in even more catastrophic ways.