/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.15447224]

New OLM Plate Edition

Previous >>15444234

[Anonymous No.15447229]

Ax-2 on Sunday

[Anonymous No.15447231]

Haven-1 is the only non-SpaceX project I truly care about right now.

[Anonymous No.15447232]

Hop when?

[Anonymous No.15447236]

Now move in, now move out, hands up, now hands down
Back up, back up, tell me what ya gonna do now
Breathe in, now breathe out, hands up, now hands down
Back up, back up, tell me what ya gonna do now (c'mon)
Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (uh)
Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (what?)
Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin' (uh)
Keep rollin', rollin', rollin', rollin'

[Anonymous No.15447238]

>>15447236
You will live in the pod

[Anonymous No.15447239]

>>15447224
What if it doesn't work?

[Anonymous No.15447242]

>>15447239
Iterative design process, they just improve on it

[Anonymous No.15447243]

>>15447224
oh, I realized literally just now that "water-cooled" wasn't some method of forming super strong steel and just meant they're going to pump water on normal steel

[Anonymous No.15447244]

>>15447239
>>15447242

[Anonymous No.15447246]

>>15447232
No more hops, only flights now

[Anonymous No.15447248]

Underwater Starship when?

[Anonymous No.15447249]

Venus hover cities.

[Anonymous No.15447251]

>>15447249
>ranked highest in the sol system for suicides by jumping per capita

[Anonymous No.15447253]

[Anonymous No.15447255]

>>15447249
>>15447248
So are we just promoting impossible popsci techs now? Lets get some skyhooks, and FTL tech going then eh

[Anonymous No.15447256]

>>15447229
I swear Falcon-Dragon looks different every time it flies lol

[Anonymous No.15447259]

>>15447255
>So are we just promoting impossible popsci techs now?
If it's good enough for Musky, it's good enough for /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15447260]

>>15447255
FTL will happen.

[Anonymous No.15447263]

>>15447246
buny is better at jumping now but he still must return to his den

[Anonymous No.15447264]

>>15447243
Yeah it’s only a matter of time before methane perspiration TPS comes back

[Anonymous No.15447265]

>>15447259
>>15447260
Then lets also use fusion engines send some microprobes with lightsails to proxima centauri, then after that we teraform Mars and mine up Mercury for a Dyson sphere

[Anonymous No.15447268]

>>15447265
the only people that unironically use the term popsci are insufferable faggots that deserve to be mocked

[Anonymous No.15447269]

There's no way this shit is real
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1552049562487062529
How would this even work?

[Anonymous No.15447270]

multi-stage chemical propulsion.

[Anonymous No.15447271]

>>15447268
Alright let me know what new technologies you think are important to the near future of spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15447272]

>>15447236
>Houston, Porkins isn't pulling his weight. We keep drifting in a very wide circle

[Anonymous No.15447275]

>>15447269
Sketchup dorks deep into the crack reserves this month it seems

[Anonymous No.15447276]

>>15447265
All of those are possible.

[Anonymous No.15447277]

>>15447269
Bros... it really is over...

[Anonymous No.15447281]

>>15447276
>>15447268
This is who you associate with

[Anonymous No.15447283]

>>15447269
I thought elon said there wouldn't be any legs

[Anonymous No.15447293]

>>15447270
Get that Buck Rogers bullshit outta here

[Anonymous No.15447295]

>>15447270
A truly novel concept, this is worth exploring

[Anonymous No.15447297]

Real chemical rockets have never been tried

[Anonymous No.15447299]

So will Musk make it to Mars in the future?

[Anonymous No.15447303]

>>15447299
He may glimpse it from his jail cell but that's it

[Anonymous No.15447305]

>>15447281
better a few autists that dream overly big than some miserable twat that shrieks never ever at anything and everything that shows up

[Anonymous No.15447312]

>>15447305
>he wants to turn /sfg/ into science fiction illustrations general
I want to talk about actual real spaceflight, happening right now, in the past and in the near future. I want to talk about stuff that has hardware associated with it, that we can see in operation. I like rocket engines most of all.
At the very least, I want to see a slideshow or an investor pitch. I will likely mock both, however.
I don't want to talk about gay artwork that makes faggots like you feel fuzzy and warm inside.

[Anonymous No.15447315]

>>15447297
>Real chemical rockets have never been tried
Correct, metallic hydrogen engines have an Isp up to 1700-s. Muh Isp nuqueer thermal fags once again BTFO using facts and logic.

https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/637123main_Silvera_Presentation.pdf

[Anonymous No.15447316]

>>15447312
>investor pitch
>>>/biz/

[Anonymous No.15447325]

>>15447249

[Anonymous No.15447333]

>>15447249
retarded
>>15447325
kino

[Anonymous No.15447335]

>>15447249
I love venus colonies unironicallly now because I’m contrarian and it makes so many people seethe

[Anonymous No.15447336]

>>15447325
Unlikely but atleast realistic

[Anonymous No.15447341]

>>15447249
kino
>>15447325
looks like a gay nightclub
>i would know

[Anonymous No.15447347]

>>15447341
Gay Venusian hands typed this post.

[Anonymous No.15447351]

>>15447312
oh I get it, you're a nigger

[Anonymous No.15447353]

>>15447347
I'm actually a straight martian.

[Anonymous No.15447357]

>>15447347
In terms of, uh, mythology, wouldn't it make more sense for those with a mars fetish to be gay?

[Anonymous No.15447363]

>>15447351
>niggers care about rocket engine function
>niggers care about autistic monitoring of boca chica
>niggers care about mars soc pdfs
yeah, i'm thinking you're a nigger faggot.
Go enjoy some isaac awthuw and maybe some star trek.

[Anonymous No.15447387]

>>15447299
why does he look like rogal dorn

[Anonymous No.15447409]

>>15447363
you clearly don't care about any of those things so I'm not seeing any proof you ain't a gaynigger from outer space
>posting the blue origin shart chart
isn't helping you

[Anonymous No.15447411]

>>15447387
He is the self proclaimed first Fabricator-General of Mars, the Hand of the Omnissiah.

[Anonymous No.15447423]

Is this any indication of who the winner will be?

[Anonymous No.15447428]

>>15447423
Oh I am going to laugh hard if Jeffrey gets cucked again despite all his lobby work.

[Anonymous No.15447443]

>>15447423
Berger said it’s nothing

[Anonymous No.15447445]

>>15447428
>pays more in bribes than entire neighborhoods will make in their lives
>still gets nothing

[Anonymous No.15447446]

Fuck National Team

[Anonymous No.15447460]

>>15447446
Jeffy is going to underbid to get the contract, he learned his lesson last time and won't be embarrassed again.

[Anonymous No.15447486]

>>15447423
No. Amazon was hiring for JEDI until literally the day they lost the contract.

[Anonymous No.15447491]

why don't we just do this

[Anonymous No.15447494]

>>15447491
Better yet, interplanetary Hyperloop between Earth, Moon, and Mars.

[Anonymous No.15447496]

Greetings nerds,

I want to shoot for an internship at SpaceX for Summer 2024. Any tips for getting picked up to work on Starship HLS, Starship defense applications, or Starshield? I'm really interested in systems engineering as it relates to the given mission.

[Anonymous No.15447498]

>>15447496
why not just ask spacex?

[Anonymous No.15447503]

Who has the coolest logo?

[Anonymous No.15447525]

>>15447503
NASA

[Anonymous No.15447536]

>>15447496
>Starship defense
wut

[Anonymous No.15447542]

>>15447536
AFRL's Rocket Cargo is one example, im sure there are others from entities like AFRL, USSF, DIU, SDA also probably NRO.

[Anonymous No.15447543]

>>15447341
>>15447347
The gay casino nightclub cloud cities on Venus where everybody drinks and carries Colt 45

[Anonymous No.15447544]

>>15447498
Should I just find a recruiter on linkdin and cold email them? Should I find a engineering project manager on linkedin and cold email them?

[Anonymous No.15447545]

YOU TRIED TO BAN ME FOR DARING TALK ABOUT SPACE FLIGHT IN SPACE FLIGHT GENERAL!?!?!?!?
BUUUUWHWHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA


Let me be PERFECTLY clear. I will exhaust ALL INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ON THE PLANET EARTH AND FORCE YOU TO RANGE BAN EVERY IP IN EXISTENCE BEFORE I QUIT, YOU CUNT ASS MUSK CULTISTS!

THIS NEVER FUCKING ENDS FOR YOU WORTHLESS FAGGOTS AND NOW YOU GET THE FUCKING STICK AND THE TIME FOR SPEAKING SOFTLY IS FUCKING OVER!

YOUR KIKE false god ELON KIKE MUSK IS NOTHING AND YOU ARE NO ONE!

YOU ARE IMPOTENT INCELS AND I WILL SHOW YOU THE FORCE OF TRUE INTELLECT COME HELL OR HIGH WATER!!

EXPECT ME YOU STUPID DIVERSITY HIRE APE NIGGERS!


you are now my #1 priority in life.....i hope your little power trip was worth it AIDS fags.

Love,
Open Source Orbital Infrastructure Corporation....formally known as the space elevator fag. This ends never.

[Anonymous No.15447546]

>>15447423
They started hiring for HLS right before they lost that contract too

[Anonymous No.15447553]

I will focus all my efforts on making your lives a fucking living hell interspersed with WELL RESEARCHED INFORMATION ON ORBITAL INFRASTRUCTURE!


YOUR FUCKING WORTHLESS ASSES BELONG TO ME NOW AND ALWAYS YOU ARE NOTHING THAT I DO NOT ALLOW!

EXPECT ME FAGGOT WHORES!
how's that ban working for you faggot jannies?

~OSOIC

[Anonymous No.15447556]

Clean it up please, janitorial staff

[Anonymous No.15447559]

>>15447556
seconded

[Anonymous No.15447560]

Oh look, ban evasion. Clean it up jannies.

[Anonymous No.15447562]

>>15447544
recruiter
literally just ask them what they are looking for in the positions you are interested in

[Anonymous No.15447564]

LET ME BE 100% CLEAR

FUCK ALL JANNIES

FUCK ALL JEWS

FUCK ALL TRANNIES

FUCK ALL ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA

AND FUCK ALL OF YOU SMALL DICKED PUSSY FAGGOTS!!


I'll be back tomorrow to submit the official "new and improved" daily info dump for the Orbital Infrastructure project.

STOP THE PETTY BULLSHIT OR THIS ACCELERATES!

Your choice fags, I have nothing better to do then shit in you punch bowl if you wish it so. Make my day jew.

[Anonymous No.15447568]

NASA does some neat underwater stuff I didn't know about. The ocean is cool.

[Anonymous No.15447571]

the bigger surprise is that it took this long for him to show up

[Anonymous No.15447572]

>>15447568
that time they recovered Endeavor after it sank was so cool

[Anonymous No.15447573]

giving everyone access to the internet was a mistake

[Anonymous No.15447576]

>>15447568
>Ladder
>Underwater
Fake and gay staged photo, the ocean isn't real

[Anonymous No.15447577]

>>15447572
I thought you were talking about the orbiter and I was very confused

[Anonymous No.15447579]

>>15447573
The iPhone and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[Anonymous No.15447582]

>>15447577
You don't remember that it was a whole thing

[Anonymous No.15447584]

[muffled ROOOVING]

[Anonymous No.15447585]

>>15447571
I never left fags


Honestly what do you hope to accomplish? I have the means to buy limitless burner phones and do this till the end of time.

You do all this instead of engaging in polite discourse on space flight....in SPACE FLIGHT GENERAL.....but you are not cultists right??

[Anonymous No.15447586]

>>15447543
Do they sing Jolene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMrfM711vXI

[Anonymous No.15447589]

Are there any pics of the X-37b with Space Force Markings?

[Anonymous No.15447596]

>>15447589
no, it took off before the switch I think

[Anonymous No.15447605]

>>15447589
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15447607]

>>15447605
>gUaRdiAnS

[Anonymous No.15447610]

[Anonymous No.15447619]

rocketshipping

[Anonymous No.15447626]

>>15447542
Not sure why I never thought to do this before, but searching "Spacex" "starship" on dtic gave some results.
Now I've got some reading to do over the weekend.
https://discover.dtic.mil/results/?q=%22starship%22%20%22spacex%22#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=%22starship%22%20%22spacex%22&gsc.page=1

[Anonymous No.15447627]

>>15447170
So what was the coomer link? I'm not making a Twitter account just for coom.
You used to be able to see age restricted shit thru nitter now that doesn't work

[Anonymous No.15447630]

>>15447627
crystal

[Anonymous No.15447631]

>>15447568
>>15447582
>>15447584
I now remember Hampture. What ever happened to our undersea enthusiast?

[Anonymous No.15447634]

>>15447626
Let me know if there's anything interesting
Specifically give me sonic boom data for re-entry
>>15447627
Krystal feet pics (with beans) hmoaf

[Anonymous No.15447637]

>>15447246
Flights are really long hops

[Anonymous No.15447658]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa

[Anonymous No.15447696]

Artemis V+ is dead to me if Dynetics doesnt win

[Anonymous No.15447702]

>>15447525
unironically

[Anonymous No.15447704]

Can someone translate what this bill means? Also a literal fucking link go reddit on a government site are you kidding me

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB3447/id/2805648/Texas-2023-HB3447-Comm_Sub.html

[Anonymous No.15447713]

>>15447704
we're in the social media era, anon
this agony will never end

[Anonymous No.15447717]

>>15447713
only web1 shall be allowed outside of earths well

[Anonymous No.15447726]

>>15447269
>phone posting Rn so the thumbnail is small
>see that exact shade of blue
>360 and walks away
Nice try

[Anonymous No.15447729]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1659419397327339521
He has spaceships

[Anonymous No.15447734]

>>15447729
Nooooo really? I thought he had space elevators

[Anonymous No.15447737]

experiment idea: marschan. it's 4chan but with a built in delay that mimics communication times between e*rth and mars depending on the current distances and bandwidth availability. how will shitposting evolve?

[Anonymous No.15447738]

>>15447704
>legiscan.com
That's a private company.

[Anonymous No.15447748]

>>15447738
Ok nigger navigate this shit then
https://capitol.texas.gov/billlookup/text.aspx?LegSess=83R&Bill=HB3447

[Anonymous No.15447749]

>>15447737
God that would be awful, when the anons that make it are on Mars, we need a separate site. That or put flags on /sci/ so we can flex on you terran plebians

[Anonymous No.15447761]

>>15447749
I AM going to make it

I WILL flex on E*rthers with my Martian flag posts

[Anonymous No.15447763]

>>15447224
How long, /sfg/, until there is something like this... BUT IN SPACE?

[Anonymous No.15447767]

>>15447224
Would the force really not fuck up the plate?

[Anonymous No.15447773]

>>15447767
Thick steel is REALLY strong anon

[Anonymous No.15447774]

>>15447773
How think is it supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.15447777]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology

[Anonymous No.15447778]

>>15447704
ChatGPT says

This Texas bill, H.B. No. 3447, proposes the establishment and administration of the Texas Aerospace Research and Space Economy Consortium and the Texas Space Commission.

The bill's aim is to reinforce the state's leadership in civil, commercial, and military aerospace activities. It intends to establish a consortium that would identify research opportunities to strengthen and enhance Texas's position in aeronautics, astronautics, space commercialization, and space flight infrastructure, and to improve the integration of these industries into the state's economy.

The consortium would comprise of higher education institutions and other entities considered necessary by an executive committee. The committee itself would consist of members appointed by the state's Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Speaker of the House of Representatives, along with representatives from prominent Texas universities.

This bill also seeks to establish the Texas Space Commission, governed by a nine-member board of directors. The commission's purpose would be to promote innovation in space exploration and commercial aerospace opportunities. This includes managing a Space Exploration and Aeronautics Research Fund to provide grants for relevant projects.

As of the date provided, the bill is still under consideration with the Senate Amendments Analysis distributed.

[Anonymous No.15447786]

>>15447778
Thanks

[Anonymous No.15447787]

>>15447778
GoogleBard says

Sure. House Bill 3447 (HB 3447) is a Texas bill that was passed in the 88th legislative session. The bill establishes the Texas Aerospace Research and Space Economy Consortium and the Texas Space Commission. The consortium is a public-private partnership that will promote aerospace research and development in Texas. The commission is a state agency that will oversee the consortium and provide funding for aerospace research and development projects.

HB 3447 was passed by the Texas House of Representatives on May 10, 2023, and by the Texas Senate on May 17, 2023. The bill was signed into law by Governor Greg Abbott on May 23, 2023.

The following are some of the key provisions of HB 3447:

Establishes the Texas Aerospace Research and Space Economy Consortium
Establishes the Texas Space Commission
Requires the consortium to promote aerospace research and development in Texas
Requires the commission to oversee the consortium and provide funding for aerospace research and development projects

HB 3447 is a significant piece of legislation that will help to promote aerospace research and development in Texas. The bill is expected to create jobs, boost the economy, and help to make Texas a leader in the aerospace industry.

[Anonymous No.15447791]

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[Anonymous No.15447798]

>>15447787
Nigger

[Anonymous No.15447800]

[Anonymous No.15447801]

I LOVE THE CRACKLE OF ROCKET ENGINES IN THE MORNING

[Anonymous No.15447806]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEfuP95Z90
LUANCH

[Anonymous No.15447807]

>>15447491
I feel like I remember seeing this image before [math]\unicode{x1F914}[/math]
I don't remember where [math]\unicode{x1F614}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15447815]

>>15447269
I can't believe elon would do this to us...
Bros... It's over.

[Anonymous No.15447817]

Bullseye

[Anonymous No.15447818]

it's that easy in rocketry

[Anonymous No.15447820]

>>15447806
>>15447801
FUCK YOU SeX KEKS
>>15447807
FUCK YOU EMOJI FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.15447821]

>>15447817

[Anonymous No.15447822]

>>15447820
Put on a name or trip so I can filter you, newfag.

[Anonymous No.15447824]

>>15447820
[math]\unicode{x1F601}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15447825]

>>15447224
i can guarantee you that the plumes will force themselves into those holes and rip up the entire system

[Anonymous No.15447826]

>>15447817
>>15447821
Another happy landing

[Anonymous No.15447828]

>>15447224
the stairs, they do nothing

[Anonymous No.15447829]

>>15447825
it's not that easy in pumpery

[Anonymous No.15447834]

>>15447825
It's not that easy in watercooledsteelplating

[Anonymous No.15447835]

>>15447820
[math]\unicode{x1F680}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15447837]

>>15447825
Its not that easy in padery

[Anonymous No.15447841]

>>15447825
I'm going to force myself into your holes and rip up your entire system, faggot

[Anonymous No.15447844]

>>15447610
Based Skylab 4 enjoyer

[Anonymous No.15447847]

>>15447841
You got a tight little man pussy on ya dontcha? *sniiiiiiiiif* ah it stinks

[Anonymous No.15447848]

>>15447844
they wanted to stay on station for a few more days to do more experiments but were denied the request :(

[Anonymous No.15447852]

>>15447847
Credit to Meat Canyon

[Anonymous No.15447859]

[Anonymous No.15447860]

>>15447859
the pad shaker

[Anonymous No.15447861]

>>15447860
The thug shaker

[Anonymous No.15447862]

>>15447861
the turtle tosser

[Anonymous No.15447864]

>>15447862
The beetle banger

[Anonymous No.15447866]

>>15447864
The raptor raper

[Anonymous No.15447867]

>>15447866
the tribe totaler

[Anonymous No.15447869]

>>15447867
the ocelot overthrower

[Anonymous No.15447872]

>>15447869
the plover pulverizer

[Anonymous No.15447873]

>>15447860
>>15447861
>8
>>15447862
>>15447864
>>15447866
>>15447867
>>15447869

[Anonymous No.15447878]

/sfg/ is going insane. Nothing ever happens

[Anonymous No.15447880]

>>15447878
sx alone;
>2 sat launches today
>1 crew launch sunday
>upskirt shower being installed

[Anonymous No.15447884]

>>15447880
wait did I miss the other one what

[Anonymous No.15447887]

>>15447884
>>15447880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E
today as in today

[Anonymous No.15447890]

>>15447848
I've always felt like NASA's response to the Skylab 4 "strike" was really the turning point for the American space program. They got one tiny little taste of what it would be like to maintain an orbital station manned by normal guys instead of Ubermensch and instead of capitulating and admitting fault, they swept it all under the rug. It's a shame.

[Anonymous No.15447894]

>>15447880
>falcon
Shut up.
>crew launch
You think anything to do with the ISS is exciting?? Wake me up when Polaris Dawn or Haven-1 happen.

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15447895]

Space is nothing why go there? Why go to other planets if we got the best one here(Earth)?

[Anonymous No.15447898]

>>15447890
the strike is a complete falsehood, it's not even partially true

[Anonymous No.15447901]

>>15447898
>NASA, the astronauts involved, and spaceflight historians have confirmed that no strike occurred. NASA has suggested the events of December 28 may have been confused with a day off that was given to the crew on December 26 following the completion of a long spacewalk by Carr and Pogue the day before.[23][25] NASA added that there may also have been confusion with a known ground equipment failure on December 25; this left them unable to track Skylab for one orbit, but the crew were notified of this issue ahead of time.[25] Both Carr and Gibson have affirmed that it was a series of misjudgments and not the crew's intent that caused them to miss the briefing.[23][24][40] Spaceflight history author David Hitt also disputed that the crew deliberately ended contact with mission control, in a book written with former astronauts Owen K. Garriott and Joseph P. Kerwin.[41]

Despite these reports, the notion of a deliberate action persists in the media.[25][32][42]

[Anonymous No.15447908]

>>15447898
>>15447901
I put strike in quotes for a reason. No matter how you frame it, they felt overworked and voiced their concerns openly and repeatedly in a way that no crew had voiced their concerns before. I don't think it's a stretch to say that NASA's response to Skylab 4 drastically changed the way they planned long duration missions.

[Anonymous No.15447911]

>>15447411
does dorn like the mechanicus? i dont remember

[Anonymous No.15447924]

supposedly there is a foreign module in development for the chinese space station
https://twitter.com/DongFangHour/status/1657768951844155394

[Anonymous No.15447929]

>>15447924
what's also interesting is that they mention it may host an inflatable module too. it looks like they are interested in expanding the station to a significant size.

[Anonymous No.15447934]

>>15447232
after learning bunnies are cannibals I don't think those warrens they have are too cozy

[Anonymous No.15447936]

>>15447924
EU/Russian parts. Along with possible Saudi parts.

[Anonymous No.15447938]

>>15447934
They will also self abort babies half way through pregnancy and literally absorb them to get calories back if needed

[Anonymous No.15447941]

>>15447924
Iran/North Korea/Venezuela collaboration

[Anonymous No.15447944]

>>15447938
cool. also did you know the first bunny that went to space did so in 1959? It's name was Marfusha!

[Anonymous No.15447952]

>>15447941
based

[Anonymous No.15447954]

>>15447936
the fact that it's still in design phase and uses experienced international adapter developers definitely makes it to be either eu or russia

[Anonymous No.15447957]

>>15447954
https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/Astronauts/ESA_and_Chinese_astronauts_train_together

EU/China partnership is deep.
Russia/China partnership is also there.

So the answer isn't EU OR Russia, but EU AND Russia

[Anonymous No.15447960]

>>15447957
id just like to interject for a moment

[Anonymous No.15447969]

>>15447491
Imagine the world in which our Moon is in a geostationary orbit.

[Anonymous No.15447972]

>>15447878
>falcon 9

No one cares anymore. Dopamine response for f9 landings long exhausted. Require new dopamine source.

[Anonymous No.15447976]

>>15447774
Over an inch thick.

[Anonymous No.15447991]

>>15447957
>>15447936
That article is from 5 years ago, nothing further happened. And this year ESA confirmed they have abandoned plans to even send an astronaut.

https://spacenews.com/esa-is-no-longer-planning-to-send-astronauts-to-chinas-tiangong-space-station/

They are certainly not building a module.

[Anonymous No.15448002]

5.5 bongs til HLS part deux announcement
who we got

[Anonymous No.15448016]

>>15447991
Partnership is deep. The pause on human astrouant program doesn't mean science programs will pause.

[Anonymous No.15448024]

Musk is going absolutely full /pol/ on Twitter, there is no way the FAA and the feds are going to let SpaceX keep on launching if he keeps this up.

[Anonymous No.15448029]

They feds will probably shut down SpaceX citing legitimate concerns that Musk plans on launching missiles at DC rather than putting cargo into orbit

[Anonymous No.15448030]

>>15448024
>>15448029
The fuck they gonna do? Beg Roscosmos for rides?

[Anonymous No.15448031]

>>15448029
HE WANTS TO LAUNCH ANUDDA SHOAH!

[Anonymous No.15448038]

>>15447610
>>15447890
>all they wanted was to discuss the bonus situation

[Anonymous No.15448039]

>>15448016
It's not a pause, it was never happening.
It's not deep at all. ESA has done a two small missions with China. They are collaborate less than ESA does with JAXA, NASA and even Roscosmos.

[Anonymous No.15448049]

>Musk completely sabotaging future of SpaceX in a vain attempt to become Hitler II.

He should have known to stay out of politics after backing that loser Desantis.

[Anonymous No.15448054]

>>15448029
He really should shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.15448068]

>>15448054
Nah, but you should.

[Anonymous No.15448071]

>>15448054
>>15448049
Faggots

[Anonymous No.15448073]

>>15448029
There's some circumstantial evidence that FEDS may have been the one leading on the Jan 6 issue. Thats what they're afraid people would find out. We know the guy who specifically pushed for violence and going inside the capital hill was let out without any charge by the FBI. So he's likely the spook. Other agents are probably in ther antagonizing it and building their case.

[Anonymous No.15448078]

>>15448068
>>15448071
Silence, fags. Him acting like a retard allows people who don't like him, or whose companies/portfolios are imperiled by him to craft a narrative that allows them to shut out him and his companies. We exist in a world, like it or not, where Musk spouting retard shit could cost SpaceX contracts. Is that genuinely what you want? He could at least use a secondary account, like anyone with a brain does.

[Anonymous No.15448080]

>>15448073
>circumstantial

My dude there are videos showing pigs opening the doors for them. Some fucking violent coup anyway that they couldn't even whack a single senator lmao

[Anonymous No.15448085]

> sensible centrist wellcucks malding

[Anonymous No.15448088]

>>15448002
wildcard, both BO and dynetics get fucked
maybe Lockheed Martin with an independent proposal

[Anonymous No.15448090]

https://spacenews.com/pld-space-prepares-for-suborbital-test-launch/

> PLD Space has raised 60 million euros ($65 million) to date. The company said in March it was working on a Series C round of 150 million euros that will support development of the Miura 5 and beginning of commercial operations.

Another smallsat launcher

[Anonymous No.15448092]

https://spacenews.com/zeno-power-gets-30-million-to-build-radioisotope-powered-satellite-for-u-s-military/

> Zeno, a startup founded in 2018, develops radioisotope power systems (RPS), a type of nuclear energy technology that converts the heat from decaying nuclear materials directly into electricity.

> Zeno’s RPS is smaller and uses lower-materials. Bernstein expects the system to clear regulatory hurdles and be approved for launch in 2025, taking advantage of a more streamlined U.S. government review process for nuclear-powered space missions.

>A key feature of Zeno’s system is that it does not rely on plutonium.

> The Air Force in the past has used the isotope strontium-90 as a power source but its applications were limited due to its large mass and low efficiency.

> Zeno’s RPS uses strontium isotope with a novel design that results in a lighter weight heat source. Bernstein said the company is exploring the use of other isotopes in the future.

[Anonymous No.15448094]

>>15448092
> The 2019 order established a three-tier system for reviewing payloads carrying nuclear power systems based on the amount of radioactive material on board and the probability of certain radiation exposure levels in the event of an accident. The approval process also looks at de-orbiting procedures at the end of the mission life.

> Spacecraft that fall in the first two tiers can be approved by their sponsoring agency and an interagency panel, and only the highest-risk third tier missions require presidential authorization.

> Bernstein said the lower-tier missions can now work through the Federal Aviation Administration, “for the first time allowing a commercial entity to launch a nuclear power system spacecraft into space.” Zeno is pursuing launch approval as a tier-one mission.

interesting

[Anonymous No.15448096]

>>15448024
>>15448029
I really like the idea of Musk becoming overtly political, imagine how much better Nazi Germany would have been in Von Braun has been running the show instead of the painter.

[Anonymous No.15448097]

https://spacenews.com/u-k-government-wont-buy-virgin-orbit/

[Anonymous No.15448099]

>>15447239
it's already been confirmed to work in computer simulations

[Anonymous No.15448102]

>>15447224
How will they make the water squirt out of all the holes evenly? I'd imagine water will have a harder time coming out of the central holes because that's where the rocket exhaust is hitting.

[Anonymous No.15448117]

>>15448102
does it need to come out evenly?
as long as the plate doesnt melt, who cares

[Anonymous No.15448119]

>>15448097
Finally the government does something fucking smart for once.

[Anonymous No.15448122]

>>15448117
yeah but it might not come out of the central holes

[Anonymous No.15448123]

How Vast said anything about how they're gonna resupply Haven-1 after the astronauts use up the 150kg of preloaded stuff, or is it only going to be up there for one 30 day mission?

[Anonymous No.15448135]

I have a feeling the wings have no metal in them. They are made completely out of radar translucent materials

[Anonymous No.15448143]

>>15447944
She apparently made two trips to space and survived to tell the tale both times.

[Anonymous No.15448166]

>>15447763
these giga cruise-ships are absurdly huge
Oasis-class has displacement of of 250 000 tons
in comparison, USS Gerald Ford has displacement of 100 000 tons

[Anonymous No.15448169]

>>15448166
It really is crazy how big those ships are. It makes sense though.

[Anonymous No.15448170]

[Anonymous No.15448172]

>>15448123
What's the diameter of Haven 1 compared to an ISS module?

[Anonymous No.15448177]

>>15448172
about the same

[Anonymous No.15448178]

still waiting for Webb to make a groundbreaking discovery

[Anonymous No.15448193]

>>15448090
VIVA ESPAÑA COÑO!
Better than the french.

[Anonymous No.15448200]

>>15448102
If only we lived in a world where there was computer software to simulate that... A world where shit like this was already a problem so trodden you might as well be asking "how to make large flat surface?". A world where a certain electric automaker and a certain space exploration company led the pack in such technology...
Alas, we don't live in such a world.

[Anonymous No.15448206]

>>15448123
Send new astronauts, and they eat the old astronauts for sustenance. Stop falling for the reusable astronaut meme.

[Anonymous No.15448222]

>>15448193
Wait wtf spain still has a monarchy?

[Anonymous No.15448225]

Just a friendly reminder that NASA has repeatedly demonstrated how to safely & successfully light up & fly a super heavy-lift launch vehicle without...destroying the launch pad, damaging the vehicle, destroying or severely damaging the adjacent launch tower, hardware, infrastruce and federally protected wetland habitat etc.

[Anonymous No.15448235]

today's the big day

[Anonymous No.15448242]

>>15448225
Just a friendly reminder that NASA has repeatedly demonstrated how to safely & successfully light up & fly a super heavy-lift launch vehicle without...ACK

[Anonymous No.15448247]

>>15448123
i thought it was a temporary one off and it will burn up in the atmosphere after it gets used for one time. they were talking about building a second one if the demand was there.

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15448250]

Open Source Orbital Infrastructure Corporation
Status Update - May 19, 2023

NEW BUSINESS:

Thanks to feed back from the community we have decided to rebrand from "Space Elevator", "Sky Hook", "Orbital Tether System" to the more inclusive and easy to understand "OPEN SOURCE ORBITAL INFRASTRUCTURE CORPORATION(OSOIC)".

While OSOIC does not make a cool acronym it is very descriptive of our mission and goals. We will be operating under the philosophy of open source with the finer points to be worked out later. The main idea is to get the technology and information into as many hands as possible with as few barriers of entry as possible. We are completely and utterly non-dogmatic on what technology can and will be used to build Earth's orbital infrastructure and we will be incorporated sooner rather than later. Hence Open Source Orbital Infrastructure Corp.

OLD BUSINESS:

Anons commented that a space plane attempting to meet a space tether in high altitude will be difficult. Research confirms this will be an area that needs worked on. Further research is needed.

I discussed capturing space junk to aid us in building a counter weight in orbit for infrastructure projects. Research has yielded promising paths to make this happen. Electrodynamic Tethers seem like a viable and simple method to gather space junk. The genius of using space junk is we can charge for the service. Why clean up trash for free? We will be offering a priceless service while also gathering hard won mass in orbit for the all important counter weight. Please note that your boyfriend Elon Musk plans to pump Earth Orbit with old Starlink satellites which have a 5 year projected lifespan. Despite Musk's claims not all will be deorbited and some will become space junk. Not only that but it's wasteful to deorbit them, you spent the fuel to lift the mass off Earth, why waste it sending mass needlessly back to the gravity well? China will also likely be filling space with trash as they suck like that.
1/3

[Anonymous No.15448251]

>>15448225
so what?

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15448254]

>>15448250
Tether research shows great promise but seems to be getting ignored in today's space science field, not surprising. Space tethers have potential to generate electricity in space, aid in generating spin gravity on space stations, and they can even be used as a propulsion device akin to a sail. Electrodynamic Tethers have some advantages over a photon based solar sail when in deep space. This is not "orbital infrastructure" but we see how our open source model will aide others in their projects and how it all builds off each other to make us a space faring race. Space tether physics is complex and I will need to do a great deal more digging. Any space tether experts are free to speak up.

Lastly I did some research into anons link for FTC Anticompetitive Practices law. I was aware of this, it is very general, and I have zero faith in the US Government, it's courts, or being treated fairly no matter what the law says. I think it would be foolish to count on Elon Musk and Space X to aide OSOIC in any of our projects. There have been little or no court cases for such issues and we don't want to spin our wheels in courts while our efforts could be better utilized elsewhere. However this has pointed out the need for a deeper review into the legal side of this whole project to include the Outer Space Treaty and all applicable documents. The law of "might makes right" will likely have a great deal of influence on the matter as there are no cops in space.
2/3

[Anonymous No.15448256]

what's up with the SLS freedom of information request?

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15448259]

>>15448254
CONCLUSION:
Despite Elon Musk cultists getting me banned for daring discuss space flight in /SFG/ I remain unphased and just as dedicated to the task at hand. You prove my point that Elon Musk and all those who swear allegiance to him are dogmatic cultists who will destroy anything that threatens their world view. So hostile are they that mere ideas strike fear into their hearts since those ideas do not come from their master Musk. I fully expect them to fight me kicking and screaming the entire way despite me working to make their lives better.

I will be moving on to these formal updates and open the field to questions, comments, and critique. I WILL IGNORE ALL CHILDISH AD HOMINEM ATTACKS AND REPORT YOU FOR OFF TOPIC POSTS! All real questions and critiques are welcome and I will take notes then update in future posts what I have found.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO DISCUSS ORBITAL INFRASTRUCTURE JUST IGNORE ME AND I WILL IGNORE YOU TO DO WHATEVER IT IS YOU DO HERE!

If you persist in banning me for high effort space based posts in Space Flight General it will have zero effect and I will complain to whom ever I can find that passes for a moderator on this website, they might not care....but then again maybe they will.

We will now and in all future communications here be using the secure Tripcode you see on this post, if there is no Tripcode you are not talking to the real OSOIC.

~OSOIC
3/3

[Anonymous No.15448262]

>>15448178
I'm still waiting for Isacman to show the EVA suits

[Anonymous No.15448268]

im still waiting for the industry to stop moving at a snail's pace

[Anonymous No.15448270]

>>15448096
But von Braun didn't give a shit about politics.

[Anonymous No.15448272]

[Anonymous No.15448277]

>>15448024
we need to stop him

[Barkun: Demi-GodofSCI !hax6YPhEF6 No.15448279]

>>15448277
Hitler was a human BEIN

[Anonymous No.15448284]

>>15448080
Yeah, the cops inside were just leading them everywhere, opening the doors and such, it was kinda hilarious that they tried to paint it as a "violent" coup.

[Anonymous No.15448285]

First the tweet where he calls out the owners of the media and now this. Elon bout to get himself killed

[Anonymous No.15448288]

>>15448123
Dragon will be attached there for supplies and shit. If you mean in the future after its setup, then I reckon Starship will dock

[Anonymous No.15448292]

>>15448024
elon reminds me of the head of wagner now. the two of them say whatever they want and the establishment gives them a pass because they get shit done.

[Anonymous No.15448295]

>>15448292
it's different when you call them out. People get got for that no matter if it's Russia or America.

[Anonymous No.15448296]

Bros...I'm in

[Anonymous No.15448299]

>>15448296
ask him if it was an accident or on purpose

[Anonymous No.15448301]

>>15448296
congrats anon.

[Anonymous No.15448305]

>>15448024
He's completely out of control, he's a danger to himself.

[Anonymous No.15448307]

>>15448222
Always has. Even Franco regarded himself as a caretaker for the return of the king

[Anonymous No.15448309]

>>15447763
when orbital dockyards become a thing. This is going to be space only

[Anonymous No.15448311]

>>15448307
The steward of gondor

[Anonymous No.15448313]

>>15448292
>head of wagner
he is hiding out in Ukraine because he is on the kremlin window accident list when they get close enough to him retard

[Anonymous No.15448318]

>>15448024

[Anonymous No.15448320]

>>15448301
Honestly surprised he accepted. I've never met him or worked on anything close to him. The real trick is to gradually build your network up by getting higher ranking people to add you based on your mutuals, so you're not totally a stranger. So for this example, we both share a connection with one of those boomers with a thousand connections and post random shit all day.

[Anonymous No.15448329]

>half way into 2023
>no news from stokes
It's over stokers

[Anonymous No.15448333]

>>15448305
has he been speaking to Kanye or something?

[Anonymous No.15448339]

>>15448024
link?

[Anonymous No.15448340]

>>15448329
they're trying to gas proof the hydrogen seal, please understand

[Anonymous No.15448341]

>>15448092
Solarfags absolutely BTFO

[Anonymous No.15448344]

when is the hls announcement?

[Anonymous No.15448347]

>>15448340
hydrologgs :DDD

[Anonymous No.15448353]

>>15448344
hour and a half

[Anonymous No.15448357]

so aesthetic

[Anonymous No.15448360]

>>15448344
>>15448353
Who's announcing it where?

[Anonymous No.15448365]

>>15448360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

[Anonymous No.15448369]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E

Tea minus 7 minuts

[Anonymous No.15448370]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niESMZPx63E

[Anonymous No.15448372]

Why is SpaceX launching competing constellations ?

[Anonymous No.15448376]

>>15448372
Because their business is to launch shit. Not like Roscosmos is a reliable partner anymore.

[Anonymous No.15448381]

>Iridium OneWeb Mission
Iridium and OneWeb are still two different companies, right?

[Anonymous No.15448382]

>>15448372
1) they get money
2) have to do it so they don't get anti-trust lawsuits for anti-competitive practices

[Anonymous No.15448383]

>>15448372
they could probably get sued if they refused

[Anonymous No.15448386]

payloads looks healthy

[Anonymous No.15448389]

>>15448381
I think so, seems like a rideshare
I think they are kind of competitors? Iridum and Oneweb I mean
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/05/starlink-iridium-oneweb/

>For this flight, the total payload mass is 6,600 kg, as opposed to the 17,600 kg for the Starlink 6-3 launch. The Iridium Next satellites will be placed in an initial 615 km circular orbit inclined 86.4 degrees to the Equator, while the OneWeb satellites use a 1,200 km circular orbit inclined 87.9 degrees to the Equator.

[Anonymous No.15448390]

ABORTION

[Anonymous No.15448391]

TIME WARPED
yeah we are not going to space today

[Anonymous No.15448394]

it's over

[Anonymous No.15448396]

ABORT BROS WE ARE SO BACK

[Anonymous No.15448400]

what tine is blue oregon winning the hls fontract?

[Anonymous No.15448403]

>>15448400
never, but the announcement of the winner (not BO) will supposedly happen in 1h >>15448353
and its going to be streamed on >>15448365

[Anonymous No.15448404]

>>15448403
thank u my good man

[Anonymous No.15448406]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg
>the moon is a planet
lol

[Anonymous No.15448409]

[Anonymous No.15448413]

>>15448409
Mars... What a shithole

[Anonymous No.15448415]

>>15448409
What the fuck is going on in this graph

[Anonymous No.15448418]

>>15448313
Nah, Prigozin is just a retarded boomer war criminal. If Putin removes him, it will just create vacuum for retarded boomer war criminals, that he doesn't control.

[Anonymous No.15448419]

>>15447787
Bro these dates are in the future, your AI is hallucinating

[Anonymous No.15448420]

>>15448409
>even if you combined the moon and mars they'd still pale in comparison to the earth
colonist bros i dont feel so good...

[Anonymous No.15448422]

>>15448409
lol the left side is not 0, look at the temperature for instance
what a shitshow of a graph

[Anonymous No.15448426]

>>15448409
this is the worst graph I've seen this week

[Anonymous No.15448430]

>>15447969
Imagine a world in which medium earth orbit was too unstable to use

[Anonymous No.15448432]

>engineering film of SLS is public
Kinography

[Anonymous No.15448435]

>>15448409
what does the pink bar mean?
>>15448426
you know a woman designed it

[Anonymous No.15448441]

>>15448435
> what does the pink bar mean?
I guess it would represent the range of moment of ineartia 0.345-0.365 of mars
but in wikipedia the actual moment of inertia factor is 0.3644 +- 0.0005
someone gave the maker of this graph wrong data or they themselves read something wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia_factor

also, what the fuck again
earth has a lower moment of inertia factor, not higher

[Anonymous No.15448445]

>>15448432
The old engineering cams are lovely.

[Anonymous No.15448447]

>>15448432
I'm glad we get something for our "2" billion dollars

[Anonymous No.15448448]

>>15448409
>Moon
>Average temperature 2.37 Kelvin

>Mars
>Average temperature 5.03 Kelvin

LOL

[Anonymous No.15448450]

>>15448432
bros, it's not fair... spaceX will never release public footage of superheavy startup from the engineering cams under the OLM

[Anonymous No.15448453]

>>15448450
Apparently someone got this SLS footage released with the Freedom of Information Act, so we could get them it artemis goes to plan

[Anonymous No.15448454]

>>15448450
The underskirt cams probably shot 10-20 frames of footage before getting vaporized.

[Anonymous No.15448459]

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/05/rocket-report-canada-places-premium-on-a-spaceport-lueders-heads-to-starbase/

Small rockets
>A Canadian spaceport is valued really, really highly.
>UK will not bail out Virgin Orbit
> VSS Unity flight date set.
> Vector Launch tests engines with Ursa Major.
> Embry-Riddle students set rocketry record.

Medium rockets
> Ax-2 Crew mission is go for launch
> Ariane 6 debut slips into 2024.
> Intuitive Machines launch delayed again.

Heavy Rockets
> SpaceX hires Kathy Lueders.
> Vulcan static fire test delayed.
> Artemis Program facing a budget crunch.

[Anonymous No.15448462]

https://twitter.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1658853119793541124

[Anonymous No.15448464]

>>15448462
>ArianeGroup's vision for current and future Ariane 6 launcher evolutions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95O3yfqhpZg

relevant video about ArianeGroups plans, 7 months old though

[Anonymous No.15448465]

>>15447269

[Anonymous No.15448466]

>>15448462
>4x RTLS
fuck Ariane but this would be kino

[Anonymous No.15448467]

>>15448462
Reusable boosters question mark
Prometheus is supposed to be reusable. But liquid boosters are harder to reuse than solids becuase the tanks are so thin. This is, partially, a main driver in the decision to use solids for shuttle

[Anonymous No.15448469]

>>15448464
7 months old may as well be a day old in european spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15448472]

>>15448453
not sure I buy that; if it were possible to FOIA starship footage, couldn't you also get F9 footage from Commercial Crew missions, or even CRS? those are both joint ventures with NASA, and especially the crew launches. Maybe nobody has tried yet
>>15448454
if they weren't shooting at several thousand FPS then I'm literally smarter than everyone at spacex who signed off on the OLM design including musk. probably I'm only smarter than you though, since you're the only one that didn't consider super slow-motion as a possibility

Spacex is no stranger to high speed film; there are a few official clips of Falcon 9 in slow motion but they're very short duration and not from close-up cams like the underskirt ones that got fried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqY8sy3nkM

[Anonymous No.15448474]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

5mins until HLS announcement

[Anonymous No.15448476]

>T-5 minutes
Come on NASA, cuck Jeffrey one more time.

[Anonymous No.15448477]

>>15448467
Oh fuck me i’m so oldspace I forgot landing boosters was a thing LOL
Disregard what I said

[Anonymous No.15448478]

>>15448268
Good fucking luck.
Everything moves at a snails pace, just hop from breakthrough industry to breakthrough industry.
>>15448459
Anon, know that I appreciate you. Here, a Spaceflight pic from /g/. I have nothing else to add.

[Anonymous No.15448479]

>>15448122
As long as the pressure inside the plate is higher than the pressure outside the plate the water will flow

[Anonymous No.15448481]

>>15448454
Even this kind of shot would be kino

[Anonymous No.15448482]

>>15448454
I want those 20 frames. I NEED them.

[Anonymous No.15448483]

ALPACA bros, today we win
Dynetics™ a Leidos® company

[Anonymous No.15448486]

>>15448483
that would be so funny
but regarding HLS in general, didn't the national team break up after they didn't get the contract though?

[Anonymous No.15448487]

>>15448477
Kek

[Anonymous No.15448488]

>>15448486
NT lost NG to Dynetics and gained Boing, Astrobotic, and maybe a couple other smaller ones

[Anonymous No.15448490]

>>15448486
No. Kind of. It was a soft break up. Northrop Grumman left and Boeing joined. It’s unknown if they bid the same lander or a brand new design entirely

[Anonymous No.15448492]

Coming soon

[Anonymous No.15448493]

>>15448464
>Astris
Funded, actually needed for constellations, has been in development since A5 days
>MLS
Funded, will probably happen to dubious commercial success
>Phoebus
Funded, decently advanced. The icarus application is much more tentative And is Unfunded
>Prometheus
It’s a thing and it is test firing, funded
>Themis
Funded, will do hops next years
>P120C+
Funded, supposedly needed for Kuiper launches so it must have a high priority
>Prometheus H
Lol, non funded
>Prometheus side boosters
Geographic return/10, lol , non funded
>Nests
No we’ll never have arianegroup f9

[Anonymous No.15448494]

>>15448492
Change make to launch.

[Anonymous No.15448497]

>>15448474
its on

[Anonymous No.15448498]

GOOD MORNING SKELETOR GET TO THE FUCKING POINT.

[Anonymous No.15448499]

>SECOND LANDER
>SECOND LANDER
>SECOND LANDER
>SECOND LANDER

[Anonymous No.15448501]

[Anonymous No.15448502]

knower here.
starship is getting stretched AGAIN
and serious talks are under way about making use of all the spare raptor production
-12+m wide booster
-expendable kick stages
-selling them
-elons amazing(stupid) idea that he will pick

[Anonymous No.15448503]

It grows the economy
Hurts nobody
Benefits everybody

[Anonymous No.15448505]

IM GOING TO CUM
IM GOING TO CUM
IM GOING TO CUM
IM GOING TO CUM
IM GOING TO CUM

[Anonymous No.15448506]

bros where are the european landers? the japanese landers? the canadian...

[Anonymous No.15448509]

>All that stuttering
He's going senile. Jesus fuck get some fresh blood into politics.

[Anonymous No.15448510]

>>15448222
Yes, not only that but they are technically the heirs to the Romans

[Anonymous No.15448511]

>Jeff won
it's over

[Anonymous No.15448512]

IT IS FUCKING OVER

[Anonymous No.15448514]

NOOOOOOO BLUE WON

[Anonymous No.15448513]

>>15448448
You're reading it wrong

[Anonymous No.15448515]

WTF RIGGED
FUCKING RIGGED
BULLSHIT
SUE THE FUCK OUT OF NASA

[Anonymous No.15448517]

>Blue Origin and partners
>Artemis 5
>blue moon lander
> week long trip

[Anonymous No.15448518]

>>15448506
We're spending all our euros on migrants and frivolities.
t. European

[Anonymous No.15448519]

STOP THE COUNT!

[Anonymous No.15448520]

>BLUE BALLS ARE BACK

[Anonymous No.15448522]

Bribery works, kids.

[Anonymous No.15448523]

How is the public going to feel about the massive step down from starship hls to the dinky blorigin can? I feel like once we get footage of the 50 meter monolith no one is going be happy with less

[Anonymous No.15448524]

>>15448509
Nah, stop worshipping inexperienced youths.

[Anonymous No.15448525]

this is such bullshit
I wonder how much Jeff and all the other companies paid politicians to do this
how much would they need to pay?

[Anonymous No.15448526]

>>15448518
They're future rocket scientists, you shitlord.

[Anonymous No.15448527]

>HLS can spend 30 days on the lunar surface
>"Sustaining" HLS can only do 7 days
>Oh yeah, it also costs 100x more thx

[Anonymous No.15448528]

>>15448517
why is she wearing sandals? i thought nasa was a professional organization?

[Anonymous No.15448529]

Turns out all you have to do is throw a fit and you get what you want

[Anonymous No.15448530]

>>15448523
starship will never work so it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.15448531]

>artemis 2 still on track for fall 2024

[Anonymous No.15448533]

>>15448526
Sorry, my bad.

[Anonymous No.15448534]

>>15448525
Fear kept NASA in line

[Anonymous No.15448536]

>spacex is working hard on their starship and lander which will deliver first woman and next man to the surface [of the moon]
no mention of persons of color, are we back?

[Anonymous No.15448537]

>>15448523
normie minds will break, but then they will receive new programming from the TV news

[Anonymous No.15448539]

Alright shut the fuck up wild bill, just show the lander design and let’s move on

[Anonymous No.15448541]

>>15448536
maybe NASA got scared by this
https://spacenews.com/republican-senators-claim-nasa-being-distracted-by-climate-change-and-diversity-initiatives/

[Anonymous No.15448542]

Common Astrobotic W

[Anonymous No.15448543]

>Artemis 1
>"Flawless"
Why lie?

[Anonymous No.15448544]

I saw your deleted post on /aicg/, anon.

[Anonymous No.15448546]

>>15448539
its going to be identical it was 5 years ago

[Anonymous No.15448550]

>>15448543
All things considered it went pretty damn well, not gonna lie

[Anonymous No.15448554]

reminder that the orion capsule is going to be such a shitty little cuckbox they can't bring back almost any regolith samples

[Anonymous No.15448555]

>>15448466
Agreed

[Anonymous No.15448556]

>>15448539
They made the ladder 10 feet higher

[Anonymous No.15448557]

Pro tip for youtube live viewers, the stream is probably delayed by 30 seconds but you can set the playback speed to 2x and fast forward through the buffer

[Anonymous No.15448558]

>>15448092
That is literally just a strontium-90 RTG like the Soviets used, they're shit. The radioisotope has about same power density as Pu-238 but a shorter half-life and it needs much more shielding. Zeno's marketing effort doesn't change physics.

There is no way this ever gets used for radioisotope electric propulsion unless it's a cover for the US and their nuclear expansionism, a tiny solar panel and 5 kg lithium ion battery would mog it in every way. It could have some use for lunar landers but I'm pretty sure it's radioactive enough to still require presidential approval if scaled up to generate a useful amount of power.

[Anonymous No.15448559]

>>15448550
I guess they don't count the numerous delays and failure of the deployed satellites

[Anonymous No.15448560]

>>15448543
Was there something that went wrong besides all of the rideshare payloads that starved to death waiting for the launch?

[Anonymous No.15448561]

SLS is human rated after one flight? How does that work?

[Anonymous No.15448562]

Reminder that the National Team website shows no renderings and just a list of contractors and states

[Anonymous No.15448563]

are they going to release the competition papers like they did with the first competition?
were there even other bids than blue origins?

[Anonymous No.15448564]

>1 mission to the moon per year
supplemental missions when? 1 mission a year aint shit.

[Anonymous No.15448566]

>this woman struggling to name everything except starship

[Anonymous No.15448568]

>>15448566
based

[Anonymous No.15448571]

>>15448563
Dynetics bid too
and I think they have to release the report, sooner or later

[Anonymous No.15448574]

>BO reusable lander
it's something?
>lockmart tug
could be neat but will probably be peak oldspace

[Anonymous No.15448576]

This is so pathetic. It's like the opposite of Apollo. All this talk of celebration and achievement and yet very little progress

[Anonymous No.15448577]

GRADATIM FEROCITER
BO BROS WE ARE SO BACK

[Anonymous No.15448578]

>>15448561
shuttle was human rated after 0 flights, the fact they weren't comfortable with SLS doing the same means either NASA got smart (impossible) or it's somehow even more of a flying coffin
also the life support systems weren't ready yet, so they still haven't actually tested Orion life support anywhere other than on the ground

[Anonymous No.15448579]

>This national team has been working togehter for a number of years
>2 configurations

[Anonymous No.15448580]

They haven’t even been to orbit before this is gay

[Anonymous No.15448581]

[Anonymous No.15448582]

>crew config
>cargo config

[Anonymous No.15448583]

>>15448581
They covered up the balls.

[Anonymous No.15448584]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZHzCwRV-QA

[Anonymous No.15448585]

https://twitter.com/TLPN_Official/status/1659404915310055424
these guys had the scoop but were gay and did not fully leak

[Anonymous No.15448586]

>>15448581
I don't hate it.

[Anonymous No.15448587]

>>15448415
Bar chart, but it's gay, so they put all three bars on top of each other (literally gay) and then scale so that min and max values are always in the same place.

The only information conveyed is relative order and what fraction of the min max difference is the middle value from the extremes.

It is extremely gay and low information.

[Anonymous No.15448588]

>>15448581
>>15448582
Did they make it bigger? any anons going to phone a question?

[Anonymous No.15448589]

>>15448581
are those fucking wings? there's no air on the moon.

[Anonymous No.15448590]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS PIECE OF SHIT LANDER [math]/unicode{x1F480}[/math]

[Anonymous No.15448592]

Fucking cunt dodging the price tag.

[Anonymous No.15448593]

$3.5B

[Anonymous No.15448595]

>>15448581
I hate it

[Anonymous No.15448596]

> what is the value of the contract
>the total value will come out, blue origin is contributing over 50% to ensure permanence

lmao he doesnt want to answer how much it was
jim free said its about 3.5 billion

[Anonymous No.15448597]

>WEASEL ALERT
WEASEL ALERT
>WEASEL ALERT
WEASEL ALERT
>WEASEL ALERT
WEASEL ALERT

[Anonymous No.15448599]

THREE AND A HALF BILLION FOR THIS TINY DILDO
HLS DIDN'T EVEN GET THAT MUCH

[Anonymous No.15448600]

>>15448581
>>15448582
>>15448584
penis

[Anonymous No.15448602]

blue origin is the new boing, except boing was good once

[Anonymous No.15448603]

>how many bids
>we evaluated 2 contracts
lmaooo

[Anonymous No.15448604]

technical difficulties and repeating the same questions lmao

[Anonymous No.15448605]

Blue Origin can't even get to orbit, and they are having problems finishing their projects. Either way, congrats i guess.

[Anonymous No.15448608]

>>15448603
Just NT and Dynetics
disappointing

[Anonymous No.15448609]

>>15448603
damn, foust was fat as fuck a few years ago, now he looks like he's 60 years old

[Anonymous No.15448610]

The size and capability differences between Starship and this Shitmobile is astounding. NASA is NEVER going to show them side by side at scale in any graphic ever

[Anonymous No.15448611]

>is this effectively a 6bil combined effort?
>Artemis 5 is planned for 2029
>Blue origin contributing well north of 3.4 billion

so the actual costs is something close to 7 billion
lmao

[Anonymous No.15448612]

HOLY SHIT BERGER'S MIC SUCKS LMAO

[Anonymous No.15448614]

SEVEN
BILLION
DOLLARS

[Anonymous No.15448616]

>>15448596
forgot the pic of the person asking

[Anonymous No.15448622]

So basically, Jeff et al forced NASA to loot all their other programs they could give this contract to Blue Origin for 3.4 billion, which is like 400 mil more than what SpaceX is getting? And the capability is going to be much more shit
not to mention Blue Origin will fund the lander with more than 3.4bil themselves
I mean SpaceX has probably put that towards Starship, but its going to be a much more general system than just a lander

[Anonymous No.15448623]

>ladder obscured in the picture
how big is it?

[Anonymous No.15448628]

>before the first landing, we will test a copu of the lander 1 year before the human landing
>posting shit on social media about test articles right now

[Anonymous No.15448629]

>NATIONALIZE THE LANDERS

[Anonymous No.15448631]

>>15448622
holy shit this makes sense why all the other projects are getting shitcanned
JPL must be fucking pissed at bezos

[Anonymous No.15448633]

>>15448628
lmao this guy is the biggest weasel of all time
I see that Boeing plane model back there

[Anonymous No.15448637]

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-blue-origin-as-second-artemis-lunar-lander-provider
Official release with higher resolution of the same render

[Anonymous No.15448638]

>funding for nasa's science missions were cut to fatten bezo's bank account
the other team needs to sue now

[Anonymous No.15448639]

>>15448622
in everyone who isn't spacex's defense, I think elon was planning on throwing billions of his own dollars behind hls anyway because he needs to develop a lander anyway if he wants to go to mars. makes it a lot harder to compete with him

[Anonymous No.15448641]

Behead Jeff

[Anonymous No.15448643]

>>15448506
Space and everything in it is American territory. Within three decades there will be armed Americans combat troops and robotic weapons in orbit, the threat of global nuclear war will have ended and the Pax Americana will be begun.

Hopefully the space colonies will rebel before the American government is 100% mentally ill transsexual child abusers.

[Anonymous No.15448646]

>how will Blue Origin get to NRHO
>We will utilize New Glenn

[Anonymous No.15448647]

>all New Glenn
lmao

[Anonymous No.15448649]

lmao they're going to use poo glenn to launch it
Artemis V is now guaranteed NET 2030 at the earliest

[Anonymous No.15448651]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1659571057227866114

[Anonymous No.15448654]

>PAPER LANDER
>ON A PAPER ROCKET

[Anonymous No.15448656]

>>15448610
Better yet, never mention them in the same talk ever

[Anonymous No.15448660]

>2 test landers before crew

[Anonymous No.15448661]

>>15448523
They'll feel exactly what they're told to feel. Count BLM bumper stickers and gay lawn signs if you have any doubts.

Space flight and potential future of human civilization in the stars deserve better.

[Anonymous No.15448663]

At least it’s fixed cost, my fuck

[Anonymous No.15448665]

BEZOS WON
ESS EFF GEE LOST

[Anonymous No.15448667]

>>15448557
Neat!

[Anonymous No.15448668]

At least this lander seems less cobbled together than the first NT lander. Everyone but BO and LM seem relegated to subsystems, like Boeing just doing docking. Practically everything that reaches the surface looks to be BO.

[Anonymous No.15448669]

>the first lander could be utilized again

>what is the mass and dimensions
>7 meter fairing for New Glenn, the whole lander is optimized for New Glenn
>because this is now a sustainable lander, its going to be an integrated lander, giving true access to the surface, habitats might be able to dock directly to the crew module

[Anonymous No.15448672]

>>15448663
how many times will jeff sue to have the contract made into cost plus? will he succeed?

[Anonymous No.15448673]

space force considering allowing eastward launches over land from vandenberg
https://spacenews.com/space-force-looks-at-options-for-relieving-cape-canaveral-launch-congestion/

[Anonymous No.15448675]

>>15448651
O mama NASA, be ma Massa. I will pick precious metals from whatever rock is in da ska

[Anonymous No.15448678]

>the first woman and next man
lmao they don't mention the blackness anymore
this is a very clear change, probably saw how patronizing it was
I guess mentioning the first woman is not like that in the same way

[Anonymous No.15448679]

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/nasa-selects-blue-origin-for-mission-to-moon/
https://twitter.com/JeffBezos/status/1659576309432090625
official blueballs statements
most of it is coping about hydrolox boiloff lmao

[Anonymous No.15448682]

>>15448665
The grillers union will be proven correct before this is all over, mark my words

[Anonymous No.15448684]

Well BO won't have to deliver till what 2029?
Maybe they will actually have a lander ready by then

[Anonymous No.15448687]

>>15448678
They're putting Victor on Artemis 2 so he won't be going to the surface for a while, which is a shame imo

[Anonymous No.15448688]

>>15448684
How many years has New Glenn been delayed so far, and without a firm launch year even in sight?

[Anonymous No.15448689]

>the lander is going to go to the surface and to NRHO, only requiring fueling

>whats the difference between Starship and Blue Origin lander?
>refuses to answer at first
>different payload
>fueling tug goes (?) between NRHO and LEO, lander stays between NRHO and lunar surface

[Anonymous No.15448690]

>>15448679
>Together, we’ll be solving the boil-off problem and making LOX-LH2 a storable propellant combination
what's a storable combination of lh2 and lox? water?

[Anonymous No.15448691]

>>15448673
>hundreds of launches a year expected from the US within the next few years
oh shit

[Anonymous No.15448693]

I require a new picture of crying Alpaca
>>15448684
(They won't)

[Anonymous No.15448694]

Mark my words: the BO "lander" will never make it to earth orbit, let alone the surface of the moon. This will eventually shutter BO and make Space X look only that much better in comparison.

[Anonymous No.15448695]

paka bros...

[Anonymous No.15448699]

>>15448689
Thats not even an answer to the actual question

[Anonymous No.15448700]

>>15448684
>Well BO won't have to deliver till what 2029?
this is for artemis 5. artemis 3 is currently scheduled for NET 2028. so we're talking 2030 at the absolute earliest.

[Anonymous No.15448701]

>>15448679
Kind of lackluster in information yeah.. no mention of cost, or anything like that. Oh well

[Anonymous No.15448702]

>>15448694
That’s a bold prediction

[Anonymous No.15448704]

>how many other bids, are dynetics going to continue development?
>2 proposals, don't know about dynetics future plans

[Anonymous No.15448705]

>>15448700
I thought artemis 3 was 2025?

[Anonymous No.15448710]

>one of the big problems of your architechture is zero boiloff for liquid oxygen and hydrogen, how have you sovled that?

>we have working with that in BO a lot on zero boiloff, also tech how to transfer between different vehicles
>20 Kelving zero boiloff system

[Anonymous No.15448713]

>is the lander name blue moon lunar lander?
>yes

>commercial missions?
>a number of interested customers looking to utilize the capability

[Anonymous No.15448714]

>>15448603
>>15448710
Foust's glare would melt that telecon BO guy if he were there in person

[Anonymous No.15448715]

>>15448710
Cryocoolers I will believe work for methane and LOx. It will not work for hydrogen.

[Anonymous No.15448722]

>our role in artemis will be to support permanent presence on the moon
>day-night presence on the moon
>cargo lander, 20 metric tons, reusable configuration
>30 metric tons expendable configuration
>we look to exceed the requirements to support growth

[Anonymous No.15448724]

>>15448684
I was going to correct you, but damn it actually is 2029 how did it slip so far already lol
it was originally going to be in 2026 fucking christ

[Anonymous No.15448726]

while NASA was always a corrupt disgrace, this is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.15448728]

>blue origin is a firm believer in the use of hydrogen as a propellant
>zero boiloff, able to store that propellant in space is important, make them storeable propellants
>we are building cryocoolers, but i dont want to get into that too much
> we have been testing that on the ground

[Anonymous No.15448729]

>>15448705
>https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/nasa-leader-warns-agency-needs-more-funding-to-fly-artemis-missions/
i guess it was this that i was reading the other day. berger says 2027 or 2028 is most likely for artemis 3

> Free warned that even with the president's budget proposal, there probably was not enough funding to carry out the Artemis program as conceived, which calls for an initial human landing in 2025 (which almost certainly will slip two or three years)

[Anonymous No.15448736]

>>15448724
Lets be real the accelerated timetable was never going to stick
They needed to hand out the HLS contracts years earlier

[Anonymous No.15448739]

>>15448729
>NASA will need at least $41 billion to land two humans on the Moon by 2028
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1658112788210806786

[Anonymous No.15448740]

so let me get this straight
they cut funding to other missions so the Jeff can be paid more than Elon, for lander that's simultaneously less capable, non-reusable and will take another decade to deliver
wow - what a great deal
>>15448728
> we have been testing that on the ground
mayIseeit.gif

[Anonymous No.15448741]

>designed to fit within 7m fairing
>16m tall
>dry mass 16 metric tons
>wet mass 45 tons
>upper deck has high gain antennas, exceed Nasas requirements, not only to earth but with relay services
>working from top to bottom, the large tank is the liquid hydrogen tank, behind the two panels (thermal radiators), on the backside is a solar array
>right below that is the LOX
>right below that is the crew module
>capable of carrying 4 crew, an airlock and immediate surface access
>you can see to the left to the 2 large windows the docking adapter, would be used for gateway operations

[Anonymous No.15448742]

>>15448705
>>15448729
at one point Artemis FOUR was set for 2025.

>>15448715
It'll require 15x more power and a completely different design (helium pulse tube cryocooler a la JWST?) but in theory you could get down to 20K

[Anonymous No.15448743]

What i don't get is why BO is wanting to build this lander so fucking bad?
Its completely useless outside of this one use. It won't work for mars either

[Anonymous No.15448744]

>>15448740
It is actually reusable

[Anonymous No.15448745]

>lunar ISRU
>lunar ISRU

[Anonymous No.15448746]

>>15448702
Blue Origin accomplishments in first 23 years: nothing
Predicted Blue Origin accomplishments for the next 10 years: nothing
Doesn't seem so crazy to me

[Anonymous No.15448748]

>>15448743
because they get $3.5 billion dollars for it

[Anonymous No.15448750]

> the blue moon lander is capable of going from LEO to NRHO, but would need refueling to go to the surface of the moon

>the lead time for the lander is?
>we are building test components and we intend to meet the timeline for both of the vehicles

[Anonymous No.15448751]

>>15448741
>crew on bottom
>therefore no long ladder
The meme is dead
Also where are the engines on this? Does the propellant feed through the cabin? Does it dock on the top and the astronauts go through the middle, or is it A2A?

>>15448748
They wanted $6B, and now they're building it at a loss just to win.

[Anonymous No.15448752]

>artemis 3 and 4 will be short duration missions
>landing sites haven't been selected yet

[Anonymous No.15448757]

>>15448743
Trying to prove they're not worthless garbage also-rans (difficulty: impossible)

[Anonymous No.15448758]

>>15448751
>Does it dock on the top and the astronauts go through the middle,
I think that circle on the left side is the docking port

[Anonymous No.15448759]

for 7 billion dollars you could get an aircraft carrier

[Anonymous No.15448762]

>what capability will astronauts have to make repairs?
>one of the key factors that went into design is maintanability
>liner replaceable units, easy to access places etc
>engines able to be inspected by robots
>there are redundant systems on the lander

[Anonymous No.15448763]

>>15448758
Bit weird but okay

[Anonymous No.15448764]

>>15448759
Or a failed lunar lander vanity project!

[Anonymous No.15448765]

Berger is coping hard on twitter

[Anonymous No.15448766]

>>15448748
But they are spending over 3.5 bil on top of that amount
At least the money spacex is putting into starship is getting them a lander plus a fuck hueg rocket

[Anonymous No.15448767]

This lander is actually less shit than I expected
reusable, 4 crew, cargo versions exist, designing for long presence
I guess we will see what actually happens, 2029 is pretty far away but they are supposed to do some tests before that (a copy one year prior, mk1 before that at some point, the copy and the actual crew lander will be mk2)

[Anonymous No.15448769]

>>15448741
>dry mass 16 metric tons
>wet mass 45 tons
How the fuck does this shit work? It's ~5.5 km/s of dV to get from NRHO to the lunar surface and back

[Anonymous No.15448770]

In other news Varda’s space manufacturing factory is moving ahead

https://twitter.com/zebulgar/status/1659568650842435584?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

What could you commercially manufacture in space?

[Anonymous No.15448771]

here is the original national team lander proposal, supposdely over 40 feet (12.9m), so I guess the new proposal is a bit taller at 16m

[Anonymous No.15448772]

>>15448769
Source:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/20191030-nac-heoc-smith-v3.pdf

[Anonymous No.15448774]

>>15448769
I might have misheard the wet mass, but I think it was like 45 or 46 tons

[Anonymous No.15448776]

>>15448772
I never realized how long OmegA's longest variant was, it's a full-blown Ares 1 with SRBs

[Anonymous No.15448777]

>>15448771
Starship is 9m diameter and has 2+ decks
Blue Moon is 7m diameter and has 1 deck

[Anonymous No.15448778]

>>15448774
Maybe it's two stage? I didn't watch the presentation.

[Anonymous No.15448779]

>>15448774
Right amount to fit on one NG to LEO, and then 1-2 more for the tug

[Anonymous No.15448782]

>>15448639
I am certain this is why Kathy picked SpaceX over anyone else. She knew that Elon was going to have to walk through all of these steps anyway, so you may as well anchor him to your project of going back to the moon because it's basically infinite funding once realized through this viewpoint.

[Anonymous No.15448783]

>>15448769
magical 550 isp hydrologgs engines, duh
didn't you know blue origin is so good at building engines they can break the laws of physics? they already pioneered infinite thrust to weight with their zero-mass ghost engines (tory only gets the fake BE-4s that actually have mass, what a pleb)

[Anonymous No.15448785]

[Anonymous No.15448787]

>>15448672
OIG will say no. They'll point to SpaceX not doing cost plus, or even requesting it, and tell him to take a hike. This isn't like JEDI. He can't do anything here but burn down his own lander, which would black ball him from basically any contract going forward, forever.

[Anonymous No.15448789]

Now if new glenn would FUCKING LAUNCH.
What else could launch it besides starship? Would it fit in a Vulcan or A6 or something?

[Anonymous No.15448797]

>>15448789
(the lander I mean)

[Anonymous No.15448801]

>>15448673
>

“The Eastern Range is almost done doing everything it can do,” he said. That has included allocating three unused launch pads in March to four companies developing small launch vehicles, with a second round planned for larger vehicles. “When that’s done, we’re going to be very, very close to out of pads on the Eastern Range.”

> That could open the door to more creative solutions. Purdy noted the Space Force studied the ability to conduct launches to polar orbits, traditionally flown from the Western Range at Vandenberg Space Force Base, from Florida. “It turns out you can,” he said, with SpaceX launching several Falcon 9 missions to polar orbits in recent years from Florida.

> “So we did the reverse: can you launch East Coast missions off the West Coast, from Vandenberg? Fascinatingly, you can,” he said. Such launches had traditionally been ruled out because of trajectories that would take vehicles over land.

> He didn’t elaborate on the analysis in his presentation, but said it “opened the door” for long-term discussions about eventually conducting launches to lower-inclination orbits from Vandenberg. “As we continue to hone safety analyses for the ranges, and as some particular launch providers have got a large number of successful launches, we’ve been able to narrow the boxes more and more,” he said, referring to exclusion zones for launches.

> The Defense Department has offered a legislative proposal to create a “port authority” model for launch operations on the Eastern and Western Ranges, allowing the Space Force to charge commercial users range fees to recoup its costs. Purdy said that would include an “open books” approach so that customers could see how the fees they pay are being spent to support range activities.

[Anonymous No.15448803]

>>15448745
>LH2
>of course Blorg is a fan of hydromeme

[Anonymous No.15448804]

>>15448774
can't be more than that, that's the planned new glenn payload to LEO. unless they want to do multiple launches to fuel it in orbit

[Anonymous No.15448807]

>>15448679

[Anonymous No.15448808]

>>15448789
>>15448797
it will launch on SLS Block 2 Cargo
source: this is the hell timeline, the worst option is always the outcome

[Anonymous No.15448809]

>two landers
How does this shit even work? Twice the amount of crew? Armageddon style?

[Anonymous No.15448810]

lol
is this to scale? kind of makes it less funny if its not
50m vs 16m

[Anonymous No.15448811]

>>15448801
>and as some particular launch providers have got a large number of successful launches

Damn, who is he talking about? It is truly a mystery.

[Anonymous No.15448814]

>>15448771
>HLS lands on moon
>bay door opens
>crane extends and deposits the BO lander on the moon next to it

[Anonymous No.15448815]

>>15448810
Absolutely not. Funny though. Blorg's lander is 7m radius vs HLS which is 9m.

[Anonymous No.15448816]

>>15448690
> Through this contract, we will move the state of the art forward by making high-performance LOX-LH2 a storable propellant combination. Under SLD, we will develop and fly solar-powered 20-degree Kelvin cryocoolers and the other technologies required to prevent LOX-LH2 boil-off.
solar powered cryocooler

[Anonymous No.15448818]

>>15448741
>7m fairing
Which means Vulcan is right out. So this piece of shit hinges on a rocket from the same company that has never even tried to reach orbit.
The next the US has $3.5bn to throw into a bottomless pit, send it to my account instead. I just bought an apartment and could use some.

[Anonymous No.15448819]

>>15448810
are you retarded? 16*4=64
does the scale in that picture look like 4 blue moons would be taller than 1 starship? it should take you less than one half second to determine the images are not to scale.

[Anonymous No.15448821]

>>15448701
6.8 billion at least, 3.4bil from the fixed cost Nasa contract, over 50% from the total coming from Blue Origin et al, so at a minimum its 6.8billion
but the dude said its well north of 50%, so it could be much more than 3.4bil that BO is paying out of pocket, who knows how much

[Anonymous No.15448828]

No refueling needed for the blorg lander? If they can get it there it one launch thats, ngl, a big benefit over SpaceX and their 5 refueling tanker needs

[Anonymous No.15448830]

>>15448746
kek

[Anonymous No.15448832]

>>15448743
becuase jeff wants to prove himself
also 3.4bil contract

[Anonymous No.15448837]

>>15448770
>What could you commercially manufacture in space?
I think the memes that are usually thrown around is 3d printing organs and some specialty communications fiber in microgravity
some drugs too perhaps

[Anonymous No.15448842]

>>15448770
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1656063154147987458

so I guess its pharmaceuticals

[Anonymous No.15448844]

>>15448770
>What could you commercially manufacture in space?
their plan is drugs but anything that involves growing crystals benefits from microgravity

[Anonymous No.15448845]

>>15448778
its reusable, idk how that is possible

[Anonymous No.15448847]

>>15448464
I just wanna see it fly already jfc

[Anonymous No.15448850]

[Anonymous No.15448866]

why does BO insist on spreading their efforts so a thin? They make themselves useless by trying to focus on lunar isru, engine development, new glenn, Jarvis, new shepard (maybe not anymore) and now this lander?
I don't think they have any macro scale plan, none of their efforts feed into each other, and the development of BE-4 for vulcan seems to have even hampered new glenn. What is BO leadership thinking?

[Anonymous No.15448870]

>>15448844
>inb4 orbital silicon fabs, TSMC becomes LEOSMC

[Anonymous No.15448872]

>>15448339
There is no link its faked because hes a dumb baiting /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.15448874]

>>15448850
Inb4 blorgoids say
>but it's so much more stable!

[Anonymous No.15448878]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/investing-in-space-where-spacexs-starlink-is-growing-market-share.html

> Just over two and a half years after SpaceX’s Starlink first rolled out its beta service, the satellite internet company now has more than 1.5 million subscribers. With more than 4,000 satellites operating in orbit, the Elon Musk-owned company’s global coverage is active in over 50 countries around the world.

> By his estimate, “something on the order of 50% to 70%” of Starlink’s base is from “growing the pie portion, as opposed to taking” from incumbents, with Hughes and Viasat in total losing “less than 500,000 subscribers.” But those numbers change based on region and customer vertical. Prokosh pointed to the U.S., Brazil and Australia as three mini-case studies.

> Brazil, he noted, is the most dramatic example of Starlink taking share from incumbent satellite providers, where Starlink has added nearly the same amount of customers that Hughes has lost. It’s also lowered prices locally to about $35 a month (versus the $120 a month base in the States).

> But Australia’s a different story: Prokosh said, according to the country’s reporting in March, Starlink is up to 120,000 subscribers, while the incumbent satellite service provider NBN has seen only slight customer decay from its peak of about 106,000 customers.

>“This is clear evidence of the pie absolutely growing because of Starlink, as opposed to just drawing from established business of other operators,” Prokosh said of Australia.

> “In maritime … it’s almost all net growth for the industry right now, because what’s happening for the most part is that the vessels adopting the service aren’t dropping their incumbent service yet – they’re trialing Starlink,” Prokosh said.

[Anonymous No.15448880]

>>15448866
also blorg has 5,000 employees, SpaceX has 10,000

[Anonymous No.15448883]

>>15448850
could have been worse

[Anonymous No.15448885]

what about the suits?

[Anonymous No.15448886]

>>15448866
BO Leadership has 0 clue how anything even remotely related to engineering works, and will greenlight anything that competes with either NASA or SpaceX or has a chance for govt. gibsmedats

[Anonymous No.15448896]

BIG SEXO

[Anonymous No.15448899]

>>15448866
if you look it from the perspective of permanent presence on the moon it kind of makes sense
>New Shepard
basically testing of suborbital landing, the boosters on New Glenn will be suborbital like Falcon 9 boosters are for example
commercialization of it is just a bonus, but I agree it is kind of weird
steelmanning it, its testing of crew operations and so on for a future moon lander for example
>engine development
necessary for doing new shepard, new glenn etc, SpaceX has been doing engine development as well so I don't see the problem
>New Glenn
kind of the point of the whole company, doing this directly without a smallsat launcher and falcon 9 clone might look a bit weird though as you don't get to test all the stuff related to orbital rockets and learn from them, you also don't get to self-fund development through launch revenue like spacex
>Jarvis
Simply a cheaper, fully reusable upper stage fro New Glenn copying Starship, developed by a SkunkWorks esque team within Blue Origin, it makes sense
copying SpaceX does make sense, they should have just started doing so a long time ago
>lander
if you want to go to the moon, this is what you need
is SpaceX spreading themselves too thin? they are developing a lundar lander as well
the difference is that BO hasn't really accomplished much clearly seen progress so they can't by that logic do as many things as SpaceX can (and arguably Falcon9 and Dragon are not something that take up too much engineering effort anymore, they are old reliable systems at this point
>lunar ISRU
makes sense if you want to have a permanent presence on the moon, hydrogen itself should be much easier to manufacture on the moon than for instance methane
if they get this zero-boiloff system working with just solar panels (and all the other problems with hydrogen like embrittlement), then hydrogen for lunar operations makes probably more sense than methane

[Anonymous No.15448902]

>>15448866
>>15448899
excellent digits gentlemen

[Anonymous No.15448904]

Welp, Artemis V is where I stop caring about Artemis. Hey when do you guys think we will get the first commercial human rated lunar lander? Will it just be SpaceX again selling another Lunar Starship variant to another company?

[Anonymous No.15448905]

>>15448866
>>15448899
cont.

not really sure if hydrogen makes that much sense for a LEO launcher or cis-lunar operations as methane should be much cheaper and easier to handle on earth so superior for launching to LEO and in cis-lunar space you could use something like water for tugs instead of hydrogen, skip the electrolysis step on the moon
but then again nuclear engines (something which BO mentioned in the press release towards the end)
the seem retarded now but who knows

so in fact, if you look at establishing a permanent presence on the surface of the moon, all of these are part of that macro plan
maybe hydrogen really is more optimal as a propellant for the moon

[Anonymous No.15448909]

>>15448886
this pic, lunar base is the penultimate end goal
there is your answer
maybe their priorization and general success in developing and prioritizing programs is not that good, but they do seem to have a mission in the end
also partly explains why jeff is so obsessed with getting the lunar lander contract
jeff wants to go to the moon, elon wants to go to mars

[Anonymous No.15448911]

>>15448885
just buy them from axiom lol

[Anonymous No.15448915]

>>15448904
What do you mean, it will be lunar starship operated by spacex. But sure "for" Axiom or whatever

[Anonymous No.15448919]

>>15448885
Axiom's AxEMU is currently the choice for all lunar operations from both HLS and Blue Moon
https://www.youtube.com/live/5KnOtI4fS3U?feature=share&t=1328
doubt we'll get anything beyond the dragon pressure suit from SpaceX until they actually start seriously modeling manned mars missions

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15448920]

>>15448905
You're not as smart as you think you are...
>maybe hydrogen really is more optimal as a propellant for the moon
Stopped reading there...

[Anonymous No.15448921]

When are mechanical counter pressure suits going to reach maturity and start seeing use in space?

[Anonymous No.15448926]

>>15448921
when the patents expire and the lady in your picture can't milk them for grants anymore

[Anonymous No.15448932]

>>15448920
just looking at how difficult it is to manufacture on the moon
simply electrolyzing water gives you oxygen and hydrogen
to get methane and oxygen, you need to do what you did for hydrogen + a bunch of other shit like finding a source of carbon and then all the related manufacturing to get that into methane form, probably from carbon dioxide/monoxide and using the sabatier process

[Anonymous No.15448933]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1659599720761950208

what the fuck??????
the steel plate survived, right?

[Anonymous No.15448936]

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1659600416651476993

[Anonymous No.15448937]

>>15448933
yes

[Anonymous No.15448940]

>>15448933
maybe
they fade to black quite quickly though
pic is before firing

[Anonymous No.15448941]

[Anonymous No.15448944]

>>15448940
after

[Anonymous No.15448947]

>>15448941
he's not wrong 2bh
on average, deep sea shit is way cooler than space
but rockets are cooler than submarines

[Anonymous No.15448948]

https://twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1659329155681361920

https://planetocracy.substack.com/p/the-great-newspace-shovel-pile

[Anonymous No.15448950]

>>15448940
>>15448933
Impressive. Now do 33 at once

[Anonymous No.15448953]

raptor 3?????????

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15448956]

>>15448932
You read that on a cereal box? Who are you? You're no engineer. And I earned the right to say that. I walked Alan Stern onstage in 2006.

[Anonymous No.15448959]

yeah but how many times can these steel plates handle a launch without breaking

[Anonymous No.15448969]

>>15448959
if the plume never reaches the actual plate, then as many as you like or until the plate degrades due to unrelated effects like the weather or something

[Anonymous No.15448976]

>>15448932
don't reply to that dude mate

[Anonymous No.15448977]

>>15447224
pressure washer to clean the engines after reuse I assume?

[Anonymous No.15448985]

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1659579099436949504

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15448988]

>>15448976
He can think for himself. Unlike you.

[5'10 245lbs mountain of a man No.15449001]

I win.

[Anonymous No.15449004]

>>15447637
Last SS flight was a testament of that.

[Anonymous No.15449008]

https://twitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1659601969525276682

> So… Lockheed Martin is developing a vehicle that can refill in LEO and fly to NRHO.

>A vehicle that can go from LEO to NRHO and can dock with stuff.

>Come along with me.

So how long did NASA actually plan to fly SLS?
Both of the lander proposals (that are now funded and veing developed) are going to make SLS obsolete independently

[Anonymous No.15449009]

>>15447260
Maybe by outrunning photons in a medium but faster that c is >>>/x/ tier.

[Anonymous No.15449014]

https://twitter.com/littlebluena/status/1659609327601344512

[Anonymous No.15449017]

>>15448687
>shame
To reddit with you faggot

[Anonymous No.15449019]

>>15449014
>we

[Anonymous No.15449023]

>>15448559
Why would you?

[Anonymous No.15449024]

>>15449014
lets be very honest again

[Anonymous No.15449032]

>>15449024
this guy cracks me up

[Anonymous No.15449036]

>>15449032
you've seen it down at the fulfilment centre

[Anonymous No.15449045]

>>15449014
He will tounge Jeff's ass if it means he can get a point (in his mind) against Fellon Musk

[Anonymous No.15449047]

just got a little electricity shock bros

[Anonymous No.15449049]

>>15448527
HLS can survive the lunar night?

[Anonymous No.15449051]

New mars kino just dropped

[Anonymous No.15449057]

>>15449051
this picture may as well have been taken in new mexico. god I fucking hate mars

[Anonymous No.15449058]

>>15449051
basically nevada. idk what the big deal about living there is.

[Anonymous No.15449061]

>>15449051
This little nigga still alive?

[Anonymous No.15449062]

>>15448597

[Anonymous No.15449063]

>>15449061
JPL does good shit

[Anonymous No.15449065]

>>15449061
51 flights

[Anonymous No.15449066]

>>15448641

[Anonymous No.15449068]

>>15449061
on like his 54th flight or something

[Anonymous No.15449069]

>>15448985
Starlink tweets are actually so much better than SpaceX's official tweets, feels so much less corporate. Was considering buying it once I get my own place because fuck ISPs in the US

[Anonymous No.15449074]

>>15448643
>Hopefully the space colonies will rebel before the American government is 100% mentally ill transsexual child abusers.
They'll have time machines that go back before 1933?

[Anonymous No.15449078]

>>15449014
Haaa it makes me so happy to have blocked this cuck, I'm only ever shown his worst tweets on here where he's praising BO for maybe being ready sooner when New Glenn hasnt even been made, let alone the lander started work.

[Anonymous No.15449085]

>>15448809
>How does this shit even work?
Just like with Dragon and Starliner.

[Anonymous No.15449086]

>>15449014
I don't understand. Why would he be so sure of BO, but not Spacex. I figured he was a commie that just loved government space.

[Anonymous No.15449088]

>>15449069
another 12 months or £25 off the price and im in. its twice the speed of my current broadband but 3x the cost so almost there vs a fibre connection (theyre currently selling the hardware for £99 in my area (~$150).

[Anonymous No.15449097]

If Starship lander works wouldn't it be embarrassing for everyone to even use BO lander.

[Anonymous No.15449102]

>>15448135
The F-22? We know it uses an alternating arrangement of carbon composite and titanium spars.

[Anonymous No.15449104]

>>15449088
You think theyre losing money on every terminal they sell? Obviously they make a fuck ton on the subscription but what about the initial upfront cost

[Anonymous No.15449105]

>>15449086
no he just hates all things elon musk

[Anonymous No.15449107]

>>15448932
You use solar thermal heaters to heat lunar regolith and extract the volatiles, run the sabatier reaction, carbon dioxide + hydrogen makes methane and water. This is a far greater resource than water ice and isn't limited to just the poles.

[Anonymous No.15449112]

>>15449097
not really, I've seen a few people say that the BO lander could be used pretty well like a taxi on the moon
use Starship to get a lot of mass to the moon and then BO lander for moving small distances on the surface of the moon
BO lander also uses hydrolox which will be easier to ISRU on the moon than methalox
so if you have a permanent presence on the moon, both of these actually have use cases and Starship doesn't automatically make BO lander obsolete

[Anonymous No.15449116]

>>15449104
that 100 pounds in britain is not the normal cost, its just a test for price elasticity according to Elon
I wouldn't be surprised if it increases back into some level again in the nearish future

[Anonymous No.15449117]

>>15449104
quite possibly as the rrp was £400 (i got the offer because i live in a rural part of the uk but 75/month is still a little too high) but they'd hardly be the first company to do it and will likely (if service providers here are anything to go by) end up providing it for free or near free when the number of subscribers goes up.

[Anonymous No.15449119]

>>15448941
This is probably one of the retards who fell for the "we know more about outer space than we know about the ocean" meme.

[Anonymous No.15449122]

>>15448941
>>15448947
That's why we need submarines in space, like in Barotrauma. Yes, I consider the oceans of Europa as OUR oceans.

[Anonymous No.15449123]

>>15449112
lol thats what I always do in KSP. have a little extra fuel in the lander and no patience for a rover so I just hop around from biome to biome

[Anonymous No.15449129]

>>15449057
>>15449058
I doubt it, rock shapes are unique, you can tell they haven't been disturbed by biological processes and they've been sitting there accumulating wind erosion for eons. Looks very cool.

[Anonymous No.15449130]

>>15449107
lunar regolith has volatiles? I thought most of that shit was in the poles
there is confirmed water at the poles, but also confirmed carbon dioxide
but in addition to this, according to the chinese and their lunar lander the regolith itself has small quartz crystals with water trapped inside (created by radiation somehow, don't remember the exact method but it was something like radiation making free protons that then react somehow with the oxygen in the quartz to create trapped water)

[Anonymous No.15449134]

>>15449129
i concede to the geology chad and his rogg knowledge

[Anonymous No.15449138]

>>15449014
SpaceX has had a partially reusable flight proven launch vehicle, a reliable crew capsule that ended USA's dependency on Russia, a massive swarm of internet satellites in LEO, and WIP fully reusable launch system despite being 2 years younger than Blue Origin, who only has suborbital joyride (which has been grounded for a little while now). CSS has reached rock bottom, and decided to start digging.

[Anonymous No.15449143]

Lander source selection statement

[Anonymous No.15449145]

>>15449014
That's a lot of ISRU copealox.

[Anonymous No.15449149]

>>15449122
> invent antigravity
> put it in a nuclear submarine
> ORBIT???

[Anonymous No.15449151]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/19/nasa-awards-blue-origin-sld-crew-lunar-lander-contract.html

[Anonymous No.15449157]

>>15449149
>First time in paperback!
Who the hell celebrates paperback, Jesus

[Anonymous No.15449159]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsZ1vVArSug/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D

somewhat off topic, but like BO has been developing stuff to get permanent lunar presence, Musk has been developing stuff that will help colonization of Mars, like the boring company
electric vehicles, electric tunnel boring machines because the mars has no free oxygen so combustion engines wont work (easily)

[Anonymous No.15449160]

>>15449149
>invent antigravity
>put it in a panel van
>bang zoom to the moon

[Anonymous No.15449163]

>>15449159
boring company is retarded

[Anonymous No.15449165]

So the thing needs refueling or not?

[Anonymous No.15449166]

>>15449143

[Anonymous No.15449168]

>>15449160
submarines are already pressure vessels, panel vans not so much

[Anonymous No.15449170]

>>15449166
who the fuck is archer

[Anonymous No.15449174]

>>15449165
no it works with magic, no propellants necessary
the hydrogen and oxygen tanks are there just for aesthetic purposes

[Anonymous No.15449175]

>>15449159
>dude look at all these crappy tunnels under the desert
>I can't wait for them to start digging the same crappy tunnels under the crappy desert 176 million miles away

[Anonymous No.15449178]

>>15449159
this is one of his most retarded ideas, like hyperloop
>digging, for free, tunnels that the city will buy for 1 dollar once the business case for self driving teslas through underground highways fails and they convert them to subways for a fraction of the cost they would have been

[Anonymous No.15449179]

>>15449130
>lunar regolith has volatiles?
Apparently they can be found all over but I don't know exactly what that works out to in terms of what you could extract from like a cubic meter of regolith.

https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1134/S0038094614020038

[Anonymous No.15449208]

>>15448771
have they started working on the interior yet? that's gonna take years to get right with all the safety features and shit

[Anonymous No.15449209]

>>15449160
Jinkies!

[Anonymous No.15449213]

Has Angry Astronaut killed himself yet or did he give up the fat Alpaca/anti-SpaceX shilling long ago?

[Anonymous No.15449214]

>>15449159
They're all tied together for Mars colonization.

SpaceX will ship the whole thing as a package to Mars since they're small enough to fit inside Starship and weight ~15-20 ton.

Then putting a Tesla inside those tunnels, you can make traveling from Mars habitable cluster A to B much easier/safer from radiation/weather/terrain/temperature fluctuations/etc.

[Anonymous No.15449217]

>>15449209
it was creepy old man tory bruno and he would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky autists

[Anonymous No.15449218]

>>15449143
>Specifically, Blue Origin plans to fund and execute pathfinder lander missions in 2024 and 2025, to land on the Moon to mature several critical, low-TRL technologies three years before the Sustaining Lunar Development (SLD) uncrewed demonstration mission by demonstrating lunar lander components, subsystem designs, and system behaviors.
> and there is no financial impact to NASA because the pathfinder missions are being funded by Blue Origin.

first pathfinder lander mission in 2024 from BO?

> It is a significant strength of the proposal. Blue Origin’s architecture supports market expansions above and beyond the Appendix P mission of the Lunar Cargo Delivery Service, In-Space Transportation services, and Refueling markets by expanding the space economy through Blue Origin’s availability of its commercial lander capabilities to international agencies, other Government customers, and private astronaut
non-NASA commercial availability of the lander was mentioned by John Couloris as well

> the SEP calculated the Total Evaluated Price for Blue Origin as $3,419,345,052.35,

The pic has the two sections that have weaknesses in BOs proposal
continuous communication might not be possible (this is a bit contradictory compared to what Couloris said, perhaps they fixed it?)
second weakness is a bit more concerning and kind of increases the risk of BO delivering this thing at all, they don't really have a good track record at delivering anything

[Anonymous No.15449221]

>>15449213
hes ebegging for funds to move to the uk

[Anonymous No.15449225]

Not again...

[Anonymous No.15449226]

>>15449225
>negative mass
>again
lmao

[Anonymous No.15449228]

>>15448581
Ooo sexy mama

[Anonymous No.15449229]

> Call your company Blue Origin, which everyone will shorten to BO
His forward planning stinks

[Anonymous No.15449230]

>>15449218
Jeff, before you land on the moon you first have to get to orbit.

[Anonymous No.15449234]

The real problem with SLS is how anemic it is: a lander that has to return to LRHO has to have much more dV than the apollo lunar lander did, and because artemis can't realistically carry such a lander to gateway by itself in its current form, you need a completely new architecture. At which point people should start to ask why SLS is even needed in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15449235]

>>15449229
its an extension of their turtle analogy, something that lingers for a long time.

[Anonymous No.15449236]

>>15448596
better than 10+ billion from the original bid

[Anonymous No.15449237]

>>15449234
>people should start to ask why SLS is even needed in the first place

[Anonymous No.15449240]

>>15449234
because there was loads of spare parts from the shittle

[Anonymous No.15449244]

>>15449122
>>15449168
>Europa
Hard to get a submarine down through 30km of ice. Realistically all you're going to get is a thermal probe.


...I just wanted a chance to post my senior design project that BTFO's RTG probes.

[Anonymous No.15449245]

>>15449218
pic has a weakness of Dynetics proposal, it might not actually be capable of delivering 4 astronauts + their equipment to the surface
lmao

> Using the methodology provided within the solicitation and the techniques specified at FAR 15.404-1(b (2)(i) and 15.404-1(b)(2)(v), the SEP calculated a Total Evaluated Price for Dynetics and while it was also evaluated as being reasonable and balanced, it was substantially higher in amount than the competing proposal.
no price given, other than acceptable, but substantially higher than BOs proposal

overall it seems like BO was the clear winner with this new proposal, not sure if Dynetics actually made many improvements? They failed to reach many of the goals of the appendix P, which were more difficult to reach than the original competition

[Anonymous No.15449250]

>>15449240
I'm sure that's why they gave Aerojet Rocketdyne 1.8 billion dollars to manufacture 18 new rs-25 engines for sls

[Anonymous No.15449251]

>>15449244
thats cool

[Anonymous No.15449253]

>>15449237
jesus

[Anonymous No.15449254]

>>15449250
ok spare designs that needed little r&d or testing

[Anonymous No.15449270]

>>15448850
I don’t hate it, to be honest
I do fucking hate how BO does windows though. Looks like a new shittard capsule

[Anonymous No.15449278]

[Anonymous No.15449279]

>>15449254
for the price of just the engines they could launch 3 falcon heavies and have twice the mass in orbit

[Anonymous No.15449283]

>>15449279
sls will be the last orbital rocket nasa ever builds

[Anonymous No.15449290]

>>15449283
good, nasa should get out of the rocket building business and focus on science and infrastructure

[Anonymous No.15449299]

>>15449290
imagine the probes and rovers and telescopes if sls budget post 2010 had be diverted to science missions.

[Anonymous No.15449302]

>>15449290
NASA’s new primary goals should be robotic missions that otherwise wouldn’t be funded by private individuals (for example: missions to venus, missions to neptune and pluto, etc. But not Mars because private companies can theoretically send humans there soon)
And R&D for shit that is too expensive for people like SX or BO to do on their own, but who could benefit tremendously by NASA doing the hard work of paying for research and giving them data
NASA should still keep up an astronaut corps but all rides should be commercial

[Anonymous No.15449303]

Orbital mirrors against climate change, yay or nay?

[Anonymous No.15449305]

>>15449151
> SpaceX has continued to develop its nearly 400-foot-tall Starship rocket in the meantime. The company in April attempted to reach space with the vehicle for the first time but it exploded in midflight. Recently, Musk estimated that SpaceX will spend about $2 billion on Starship development this year and said he expects the company to reach orbit around the Earth with its next launch.

> Last year, NASA gave SpaceX an additional $1.15 billion award under the HLS contract, exercising an option to buy a second crewed demonstration landing from the company. That brought the total value of SpaceX’s HLS contract up to $4.2 billion through 2027.

> To date, NASA has paid out about $1.8 billion to SpaceX under HLS, according to federal records.

wasn't aware of this additional 1.15bil award, so in fact SpaceX has been awarded more money than BO did, BO is doing a bunch of demo landings but many on their own dime

[Anonymous No.15449308]

>>15449305
>SpaceX continues to chop of children's limbs so that we can continue to accurately report the tallness of their rockets in feet

[Anonymous No.15449309]

>>15449299
how many billions is that? I've lost count at this point
50?

[Anonymous No.15449316]

>>15449302
kind of seems like its going to go that way, but I guess NASA could start some massively costly moon bases or something like that (though using commercial launchers) or something retarded like that instead of buying some from the open market like LEO stations
but who knows, might be difficult politically to cut off the funding for all these >>15449237 companies after the SLS, Orion and Gateway shit runs its course

[Anonymous No.15449320]

>>15449309
the total development and running cost from the beginnings of the shuttle to now must run in the high hundreds of billions when adjusted for inflation.

[Anonymous No.15449322]

>>15448679
>We will be solving
You had 20 years. You havent solved it yet?

[Anonymous No.15449328]

>>15449305
The second award is for Artemis IV, SpaceX is getting about the same as BO but is conducting two landings instead of one.

[Anonymous No.15449333]

>>15449303
Yes but only if picrel

[Anonymous No.15449334]

>>15449303
Orbital mirrors for melting Earthers

[Anonymous No.15449337]

so we are going to loose a bunch of cool probes for the sake of bezos' ego?

[Anonymous No.15449343]

Immensely complex & high risk

[Anonymous No.15449348]

It's 2023. Where's muh space hotel?

[Anonymous No.15449349]

>>15449343
Will people stop crying about starship refuels now?

[Anonymous No.15449350]

>>15449348
ISS is a space hotel

[Anonymous No.15449352]

>>15449337
For long term in space storage of cryo propellants which is critical technology for a Lunar economy.

[Anonymous No.15449354]

>>15449349
They'll pretend they never did and will find a new thing to blast spacex over

[Anonymous No.15449356]

>>15447895
Because it is Mankind's right to conquer the Galaxy faggot.

[Anonymous No.15449358]

>>15449350
The ISS is a space shanty town

[Anonymous No.15449359]

>>15449343
I used to always think money was the biggest hurdle to do space
Now I have started to think it's complexity that makes or breaks missions

[Anonymous No.15449365]

>>15449358
that you can visit for 60 million dollars

[Anonymous No.15449366]

>>15449014
but...BO requires cryo refueling...with hydrogen.......

[Anonymous No.15449368]

>>15449343
I mean, the SpaceX vaersion has Lunar Starship. Not sure if this whole thing is just NASA'S backup strategy and making sure tehy have two technologically independent systems so they can keep flying even if one launch provider literally blows up their pad.

[Anonymous No.15449369]

>>15449244
>nuclear
Nuclearfags never fail to make me laugh. That shit will never get approved the insane cost of safely getting it orbit is enough to slap some sense into. The low power to weight is a waste. It would be far more easier to have a solar field with a driller and a sub on a tether. Solar works fine out to uranus anyway.

[Anonymous No.15449370]

>>15449368
Can't blow up your pad if your rocket doesn't fly.

[Anonymous No.15449375]

>>15449359
No its money

[Anonymous No.15449376]

>>15449369
there was news of a government pathway to nuclear use in space earlier in the thread

[Anonymous No.15449379]

>>15449244
I should also point out the potential danger of contaminating the whole ocean if the reactor becomes damaged killing any life that we might find there

[Anonymous No.15449388]

>>15449379
>less than 100kg of uranium is going to poison an entire ocean that holds more water than all of the water on earth
lmao.
radiation is universal, from a planetary protection standpoint you should be more worried about biological contamination or the presence of forever-chemicals in the plastics and lubricants.

[Anonymous No.15449389]

>>15449369
>>15449376
yes, nuclear tech will be categorized into 3 different levels >>15448094
the lower tier missions should get much simpler, just need to work with FAA

[Anonymous No.15449395]

>>15449376
And development time of never gonna happen gib grants

[Anonymous No.15449401]

>get home from work
>find out Jeff who is getting fucking billions for an absolute shit tier render
Beyond mad

[Anonymous No.15449404]

>>15449234
>At which point people should start to ask why SLS is even needed in the first place.
Once Falcon Heavy was demonstrated viable, SLS should have been immediately canceled and the Artemis program reconfigured to rely on mission assembly in Earth orbit. The first two or three Artemis missions could have been accomplished for the same total launch cost of a single SLS.
Unfortunately, the priority is not actually fulfilling the program directives, but shoveling money into the ever-open gullet of Boing(!)

[Anonymous No.15449405]

>>15449359
Things in space are needlessly complex and expensive. It is that easy is spaceery but only SpaceX has realized this.
What is a space station module? a pressure vessel with some life support. we do that in submarines and saturation diver habitats for 1% of 1% of the cost of space stations.
they should spending years testing every eventuality and just built something pretty good, strapped it to a cheap rocket, and had it check on its own systems once it is in space. maybe they overlooked something. oh well. let it fall out of the sky and get it right next time. SpaceX does this with their rockets and look where it got them.
I think vast space has basically this idea, and they're hoping to use it to get their first station up for 300 million in 2 years.

[Anonymous No.15449408]

>>15448886
>has a chance for govt. gibsmedats
>is we getting HLS contract
Kek yeah blorgin you are

[Anonymous No.15449410]

I will cope and seethe forever about being denied my adorable Dynetics lander

[Anonymous No.15449411]

>>15449405
*should stop spending years testing

[Anonymous No.15449429]

>>15449401
Turns out dynetics did a round 2 and just refused to assume they'll consider non-vital equipment like EVA suits in their weight calculations.
And those two were literally the only two candidates considered.

[Anonymous No.15449431]

>>15449401
Blue Origin seems to have learned their lesson from the absolute embarrassment of their cuck pod lander losing the first time.

[Anonymous No.15449433]

>>15449343
Shelby tried to kill depots… now even oldspace needs them. The future is now

[Anonymous No.15449435]

>>15449410
Fat.

FAT!

[Anonymous No.15449447]

>>15449369
>low power to weight is a waste
>Solar works fine

At 100% efficiency a solor panel the distance of jupiter would produce ~50 W/m^2.
That nuclear fission probe has about 2MWt that it uses directly for melting the ice at the nosetip, so to do the same with solar it would require 40000 m^2 of panels. Again, thats using 100% effieciency in converting the electricity to heat at the probe tip, which doesn't even count the tens of kilometers of transmission losses through the power line.

40000 fucking square meters of solar panels operating at above what is physically possible.

fuck off solar nigger you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.15449449]

>>15449429
Its more likely they gave up on HLS and BlueOrigin just got an omnibus package without any real competition.

[Anonymous No.15449450]

>>15448506
We're spending all our loonies on migrants and real estate.
t. Canadian

[Anonymous No.15449453]

>>15449343
>4 New glenn Launches
LIKE THATS GOING TO HAPPEN

[Anonymous No.15449461]

>>15449435
SHE COULD HAVE GONE ON A DIET

[Anonymous No.15449463]

>>15449449
what was that angry astronaut video about then?
granted I didn't watch it, but I remember someone posting it and talking about it, supposedly they were improving the design somehow

[Anonymous No.15449464]

>>15449359
Money was never the issue. NASA gets ~20B each year for the last 50+ years without any new rocket. The last one was Shuttle from 50+ years ago.

BlueOrigin spends as much as SpaceX and was even older than SpaceX but they cant make it to orbit.

ULA/Boeing/Lockheed are all old space and are barely able to wipe their own asses given so much money poured into them.

ESA gets more money than SpaceX. India gets more money than SpaceX.

[Anonymous No.15449474]

>>15449447
is it critical for the tip to be heated? why not just drill normally

[Anonymous No.15449480]

>>15449464
tbf to india, it's a shithole punching well above europe and a long third to the us and china

[Anonymous No.15449483]

>>15449447
>40000 fucking square meters
That's nothing with even current thin film cells.
And if you are using solar you can use more efficient methods of drilling since melting just causes it to refreeze behind the probe potentially breaking the tether to the receiver

[Anonymous No.15449491]

>>15449474
Reduced risk of mechanical failure. Drill heads wear out and are prone to breaking teeth or jamming.
A thermal probe just gets hot and melts its way down, so fewer moving parts means fewer component failures.
An RTG probe can have zero moving parts, but RTG scales like dogshit so they're size constrained.
Fission probe has 1 moving part, the pumps, which are a failure point but can be made redundant and operate in a much more controlled environment. A fission probe can be scaled to however big you like, provided you can actually launch and land it.

[Anonymous No.15449501]

>>15449480
TBF, India punches just right. China is punching above its weight. Europe is punching well below its weight. US was punching below its weight before SpaceX. Russia, similarly to India, was punching just at the right weight.

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15449507]

>>15449464
What do you think is stopping these well funded organizations from achieving results if not a lack of funds? Is it lack of talent? Inability to overcome technological challenges?

I know the answer but I'm curious what you have to say. Yes we also have a solution.


p.s. you are banning me for troll posts, so childish. There will be a website and all that soon enough. Good luck banning the website losers.

[Anonymous No.15449508]

I wonder if SpaceX will build their own private space station for the company in Space at some point in time. With a modified Starship upperstage ofc. Not for private space or the government, but purely for SpaceX employees to work/take vacataions in space as part of a perk.

[Anonymous No.15449513]

>>15448493
what are these things
re-usable sideboosters and re-usable upper stage (akin to a dragon I guess)
and it seems like this shit is supposed to come out after 2030 or something, not really even reaching the re-usability level of Falcon 9

[Anonymous No.15449518]

>>15449507
Lack of goal, lack of vision, lack of drive, lack of ambition, realism sensibility, etc.

Where there's a will, there's a way. People with vision/goal/drive/ambition/down to earth will do what its necessary to get from A to B. SpaceX has that. Its not just pie in the sky, Musk's physics/economics degree allows him to break down the core parts and put a price on them thats necessary to do the job. It may take 2-3X more than whats accounted for, but if they control for baseline with bit of leeway, they can easily control their destiny.

[Anonymous No.15449519]

>>15449483
>40 square kilometers of solar panels in space is nothing

absolutely delusional, as expected of advocates bias

[Anonymous No.15449521]

>>15449518
DON'T REPLY TO HIM YOU FUCKING IDIOT

[Anonymous No.15449525]

>>15448743
Bezos wants to put a foot in the door while it's still open. NASA likely won't ever be giving more contracts for human landings to anyone other than to these two competitors, because it will always be cheaper to purchase from the incumbents, and they already have two of them so there is already competition. Thus the barriers to entry for new companies will be insurmountable.

[Anonymous No.15449528]

>>15449343
No one is going to mention that it seems to using the tug to get from NRHO to LLO and then the reverse on the way back? That's like five high stakes rendezvous per mission plus the tankers.

[Anonymous No.15449530]

>>15449521
this

[Anonymous No.15449531]

>>15448783
Do not try and optimize the engine, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth... There is no engine.

[Anonymous No.15449535]

>>15448740
It's not about the lander. It's about ensuring there's a competitor that can keep SpaceX honest in the (very) long run.

[Anonymous No.15449539]

>>15449519
Bruh it's .04 of a square kilometer. (That's still a fucking lot of solar panels though)

[Anonymous No.15449541]

>>15449519
>>40 square kilometers
NTA but don't cheapen your own argument by using this retarded meme, the actual area is sizeable enough for it to be a concern though I doubt it needs nearly that much power.

[Anonymous No.15449544]

>>15449508
not in the near future, no

[Anonymous No.15449554]

>>15449410
Wait, so the BO design replaced the Dynetics one? It's not a third option at all?

NASA is so fucking gay and retarded. We should give them a budget of $0. Newspace does all of the work nowadays anyway. I hope SpaceX sends a manned spacecraft to titan in a few years that's twice the size of Dragonfly just to shit in their faces

[Anonymous No.15449558]

Elon Musk is the only person in the entire global space industry who has both ambition and power.
Everyone else who owns a space company is content with either building or launching smallsats
Every government space program would be content to merely send a new probe to a new body once every year or so.
Manned spaceflight would likely end entirely within the next 20 years were it not for the unprecedented success that is dragon.

[Anonymous No.15449559]

>>15449541
It requires that much power if you want to send a payload of useful size down 30km of ice in under a year.

[Anonymous No.15449563]

>>15448899
Bezos is IIRC a tubefag, though.

[Anonymous No.15449564]

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15449567]

>>15449518
Elon Musk is the thing holding Space X back, not making it anything. I hope Space X proves me wrong and makes StarShip work like clockwork, honestly I do. I don't want to bash Musk but he's the problem not the solution.

Stay tuned for tomorrow's update for more information of this subject and how I propose to solve your stated problem once and for all while simultaneously revolutionizing the space industry.
>>15449521
>>15449530
Your fear makes me hard loser. Stop demanding grown adults not talk to other grown adults you children are so shallow and sad.

This never ends....it's going to get worse every day until you die. These petty cries for help will do nothing but exhaust you. But do it if it helps you sleep dearheart.

>MODS STOP HIM HE'S TRYING TO REVOLUTIONIZE THE SPACE INDUSTRY!!!!!!

Retards calm down. If Musk would stop scamming and just do what he promises I'll suck his cock with you as I would LOVE to have StarShip to launch projects too.

[Anonymous No.15449568]

Do we know if refueling in space is something you can actually do?

Last thing NASA, BO and SpaceX need is the technology to fail

[Anonymous No.15449569]

>>15449554
the dynetics lander sucked compared to the re-designed BO lander and was more expensive

[Anonymous No.15449571]

>>15449558
Bezos has also ambition and power, but does not care enough to actually execute on space
I guess you could say caring enough and execution are part of ambition, but is it?

[Anonymous No.15449574]

>>15449569
>GLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCKGLUCK

[Anonymous No.15449575]

>>15449563
spinhabs are an easier engineering and resource challenge than mars if all youre looking to do is expand human habitat as it is on earth. thats all ill agree with him on.

[Anonymous No.15449578]

>>15449563
>spinchad
fixed

>>15449568
The ISS is resupplied with propellant for station keeping I think, so yes it is

[Anonymous No.15449579]

>>15449567
oh its you again

[Anonymous No.15449583]

>>15449574
read this and weep nigga >>15449143

[Anonymous No.15449584]

>>15449245
ALPACA was too fat AGAIN? Was the K-12 explanation too advanced for them?

>>15449218
No way they'll meet those 2024/25 deadlines lol. To their credit, The BO fag repeatedly said the second test mission would be a year before Artemis 5, which implies later than 2025.

[Anonymous No.15449588]

>>15449579
don't reply, just report and move on

[Anonymous No.15449590]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1659663689371271169

[Anonymous No.15449591]

https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1659662880113938432

[Anonymous No.15449593]

>>15448969
until the water cuts through the plate

[Anonymous No.15449596]

Which kind of fusion reactor has the greatest chance of actually working?Beam-to-beam?

[Anonymous No.15449598]

>>15449447
problem is there's no 2MWt reactor currently in existence that you could use
not even on paper, at least as far as I am aware
there's 3-4 MW reactor, but it's developed by Russians and even if miraculously we became BFFs again, it won't be ready until 2030s (if ever)

>b-but you can design it from scratch for this one mission
for like 10 billion USD and after like 10 years of designing, building, testing and licencing (if nothing goes wrong)
that probe is just not practical at this moment

[Anonymous No.15449599]

Is it just me, or is the BO lander not bad? It's quite a bit bigger than their last attempt and with less bullshit. New Glenn will be at least mostly ready when it needs to fly in the early 2030s. It costs more than Starship, but I think it's still acceptable. If that is too expensive, it can be defunded.

[Anonymous No.15449600]

>>15449019
there's a mouse in his pocket

[Anonymous No.15449601]

>>15449596
>

[Anonymous No.15449602]

>>15449599
yeah it's not too bad, I still think we need a permanent structure with a shitty lander instead of these big landers that also act as a hab

[Open-Source-Orbital-Infrastructure-Corporation !!JEUd7nk42pp No.15449605]

>>15449588
Because that worked for you last time right?

You people are so retarded....you get me banned and it literally slows me down zer0 %

Like I said...this isn't a joke...this isn't a LARP....this isn't a troll....this is the thing that will launch tens of thousands of humans into orbit never to return.

So cry all you want but it changes nothing. You think this is all about you /SFG/? Such ego you all have.

I'm literally banned right now for ban evasion and it means nothing....or do you retards not know how this image board even works?

This is one of the main issues, top down centralization and gate keeping. These retards are more concerned with their ego's than actual space travel. That same goes for Elon, his ego is more important than results. That's my issue with Elon. Stupid nigger could just dig a flame trench but he refuses to do so.....why.....ego.

[Anonymous No.15449607]

>>15449574
>>15449554
Dynetics even fucked up their mass calculation again, embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.15449611]

>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.15449613]

>>15449599
yes, its surprisingly not complete shit and actually might have some benefits over Starship for permanent lunar presence
one big problem might be simply them delivering the thing at all
what if its another starliner situation? basically a complete waste of money

[Anonymous No.15449615]

>>15449607
They shouldn't have needed to do another calculation. They were already fucking picked over Blorg

[Anonymous No.15449616]

>>15449599
It's actually pretty good and would have been competetive in the first round.

[Anonymous No.15449618]

>>15449613
>actually might have some benefits over Starship for permanent lunar presence
Like?

[Anonymous No.15449620]

>>15449513
Reusable Methalox boosters, derived from Themis, the current European side boosters.
Never gonna happen, too much of the current A6/Vega deal is that Ariangegroup, Avio and their Joint ventures Regulus&Europropulsion can make 40 P120C a year.

Upper stage is Susie which is uhhh, Arianegroup's latest unrealistic concept of a lifting body space shuttle.

[Anonymous No.15449622]

>>15449618
hydrolox is easier to ISRU on the moon than methalox
you could therefore use it as a moon taxi more cheaply than a starship

[Anonymous No.15449623]

>>15449558
>Enter China.

[Anonymous No.15449626]

>OLM cooling plate test and HLS selection same day
It's a good day for /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15449627]

>>15449559
Eh, I don't think tunneling speed is that great of a metric, you're already looking at about five years to get out to Europa via a Hohmann transfer. Other criticism: the idea of a 10 kWt RTG is preposterous, the comparison should have been a 40 kWt Kilopower, 1 KWt worth of RTGs, or solar.

[Anonymous No.15449628]

>>15449623
call me when they do reuse. Otherwise they'll be limited to a dinky station. But yes they do have the 'capability' to be a player as long as they can get upmass, up for cheap

[Anonymous No.15449629]

>>15449626

[Anonymous No.15449631]

>>15449571
Ambition without the work to back it up is meaningless

[Anonymous No.15449634]

Hm
I wonder if we'll see Optimus robots on the moon with HLS

[Anonymous No.15449638]

>>15449629
terrible
use this instead

[Anonymous No.15449640]

>>15449628
>call me when they do reuse
They're the only one beside americans to have actually done propulsive rocket VTVL
Long March 10 is basically upscaled F9/FH and it's tentatively flying for 2026 and they've got a metric shitton of private companies aiming for reuse.

But that wasn't the point of the post, the point was about manned spaceflight, China has been trying that continuously since the late 60s and have had the most thought-out global human space program since the Apollo days., they're not giving up.

[Anonymous No.15449641]

>>15449638
saved

[Anonymous No.15449649]

>>15449483
I'm sure you'll manage simple menial work one day, I believe in you!

[Anonymous No.15449655]

>>15449599
It will literally never leave Earth

[Anonymous No.15449656]

>>15449649
i almost miss proonter and his buttplugs

[Anonymous No.15449658]

>>15449640
True

[Anonymous No.15449660]

>>15449649
>Everyone that posts about solar in /sfg/ is solarfag
You have the wrong person, you idiot. I'm the one who lives rent free in your head.

[Anonymous No.15449661]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKSTJhKY6mw

[Anonymous No.15449665]

>>15449370
They're plannig on '29 plus delays, they might get New Glenn to fly until then.

[Anonymous No.15449669]

>>15449596
pyroelectric love egg

[Anonymous No.15449672]

>>15449669
>egg sized object to give yourself radiation poisoning
Just use a lump of Co-60

[Anonymous No.15449673]

>>15449661
she has the look of a woman that doesn't have children but wishes she did but can't

[Anonymous No.15449675]

>>15449622
I'd rather have a kino open top hopper

[Anonymous No.15449688]

Blue Orion has such a strange design aesthetic wish I had a window into their decision making process.

[Anonymous No.15449700]

>>15449688
it feels like stock KSP

[Anonymous No.15449701]

>>15449672
Deuterium is completely safe to handle unlike radiocobalt. Its like a reusable mini neutron bomb

[Anonymous No.15449708]

>>15449688
>copy spacex where they can't make it
>copy lockheed/legacy where they can

[Anonymous No.15449710]

Free Mars

[Anonymous No.15449719]

>>15449688
I'm glad they realized how stupid the ladder/crane was and flipped the design upside down. as much as I like HLS its reliance on a 30m elevator for astronauts is goofy as fuck

[Anonymous No.15449722]

>>15449700
Its weirdly more simplistic and looks cheaply made.

[Anonymous No.15449730]

>>15449337
What we will be losing is Dragonfly, which was already being cut back and wont even visit the lakes, so I'm fine with that. The only probe I would even care about right now is one going to the ice giants, or a lander on a Jupiter moon. The rest can burn

[Anonymous No.15449735]

>>15449722
they are just renders/models
of course they look simplistic

[Anonymous No.15449737]

>>15449368
Ah the dragon/starliner strategy, based NASA?

[Anonymous No.15449740]

Jeff Soyuz lol

[Anonymous No.15449744]

>>15449623
Imagine a world where iss reaches the end of its life and NASA has nothing to replace it with and then the chinese are the only ones with a space station. those commercial stations can't come soon enough.

[Anonymous No.15449747]

>>15447936
Afaik Russia can't reach Tiangong from Baikonur or Vostochny, unless maybe some future rocket has enough juice to do a dog-leg.
Never mind Russia's economic situation.

[Anonymous No.15449749]

>>15448024
Elon Musk needs me?

[Anonymous No.15449751]

>>15449719
Right? Like wtf were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.15449753]

>>15449598
>no 2MWt Reactor
The reactor we plan on using is 5MWt, the rest of the reactor power is used for heat transfer along the walls of the probe to power TEG for the pumps and scientific payloard. i was giving solarfag the benefit of the doubt and only talking about the energy used directly for drilling.
But yeah it would have to be a totally unique reactor and a major portion of senior design went into designing the reactor itself, since this was for my nuclear engineering undergrad.
It also doesn't matter that there are other light water microreactors at this scale, because none of them are designed to operate at pressures varying from 5 to 45 MPa. My team did cover the cost of licensing and the cost of a pilot plant in our report though.

>>15449627
The <10kWt was just the largest RTG number I could find in other people's work, it wasn't meant to be indicative of the average proposal. I think we stopped looking at kilopower-type reactors when we realized their stirling engines would be a nightmare to operate at all the different pressures the probe would have to endure, so just comparing their thermal output got lost in the shuffle.

[Anonymous No.15449756]

>>15449708
Its almost chinese

[Anonymous No.15449760]

>>15449737
It kinda looks like it.
And we know that NASA understands teh importance of orbital refueling, which is central to all types of their planned Moon missions, and will be essential for any type of Mars mission.
Which, to me at least, implies that NASA wants actual spaceships, not rockets they launch to do a specific mission.

[Anonymous No.15449761]

>>15449744
At this point having just a chink station up there alone even only briefly would actually be beneficial, it's one of the few scenarios other than changs miraculously putting people back on the moon first that would kickstart another major effort

[Anonymous No.15449772]

Based

[Anonymous No.15449778]

https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/19/stoke-space-cias-venture-arm/
>Stoke Space has received repeated investments from the CIA’s venture arm
Stoke is a spooklauncher now

[Anonymous No.15449784]

Stoke gets CIA funding

https://twitter.com/stoke_space/status/1659676551980666880?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

[Anonymous No.15449790]

>>15449784
Fuck yeah. I love Stoke, good for them

[Anonymous No.15449791]

>>15449778
Spook Space

[Anonymous No.15449798]

>>15449753
Well I was wrong and I thought RTGs were more efficient than they are, five MMRTGs would get you about 10 kWt. Anyway you could maybe customize a Kilopower to use a few thermocouples instead of Stirling engines since you shouldn't need the full 10 kWe to run the rest of the probe, if the reactor could handle the pressure.

[Anonymous No.15449799]

>>15449784
BUT FOR WHAT PURPOSE

[Anonymous No.15449805]

>>15449799
to centralize more intelligence

[Anonymous No.15449813]

>>15449798
Yeah TEG's aren't that thermally efficient but the upside is that they're bulletproof when it comes to reliability, which is why we chose to use them.

[Anonymous No.15449815]

https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1659671339966545920

Titbits of info on SpaceX's old Merlin experiments

[Anonymous No.15449817]

>>15449772
Cringe.
>le infinite "free" energy trope

[Anonymous No.15449819]

Insane how only two groups even attempted bidding at this

[Anonymous No.15449824]

>>15449819
Well it sounds like there were two incompetent bids in addition to the two serious bids, compared to the one incompetent bid last time. But beyond that, BO just had a clear advantage to anybody else throwing their hat in the ring. Plus, who was left that could've proposed a lander? Firefly?

[Anonymous No.15449827]

>>15449819
Making a lander isn't EASY.

[Anonymous No.15449830]

Industry group of dozen companies vs a small token "competition"

Its a false show.

[Anonymous No.15449836]

>>15449719
The risk of using a ladder was always overstated, now it's top heavy and landing impaired, far more likely to kill someone.

[Anonymous No.15449841]

>>15449817
It's necessary for his bold vision of a billion+ Americans living in a borderless economic zone

[Anonymous No.15449853]

>>15449278
what's the x axis?

[Anonymous No.15449859]

>>15449772
We already have nuclear energy. Its called the sun. Through its fusion, we have unlimited power that we can collect via solar power. The sun provides 99% of daily earth's energy intake as well. Its what provides earth 100% of its energy overall to create life, adapt, evolve, and thrive.

[Anonymous No.15449862]

>>15449841
(((Zubrin))) has distinct personal biases against the idea of proper nation states or understanding the IQ to productivity relationship.

[Anonymous No.15449866]

>>15449369
> just drill through 10km of rock hard ice bro, it's easy bro

[Anonymous No.15449869]

>>15449859
Solar will not take us interstellar, we will have the sun in a bottle whether you like it or not.

[Anonymous No.15449871]

>>15449869
Then its time to make a bottle to catch the solar.

[Anonymous No.15449874]

>>15449871
this is called fusion

[Anonymous No.15449875]

>>15449874
Yeah thats what the Sun is. We just have to catch the energy of the fusion with the solar panels.

[Anonymous No.15449876]

Where could they build new launch facilities to clear up space on the eastern range? Puerto Rico? South Texas? Build a NASA launch site in Guiana?

[Anonymous No.15449879]

>>15449875
you're extremely stupid if you think this can be stored well enough for interstellar without onboard nuclear generation

[Anonymous No.15449882]

>>15449876
We need sea launch now more than ever

[Anonymous No.15449885]

Man this is just a mogging for the ESA and ROSCOSMOS

[Anonymous No.15449888]

>>15448741
>SpaceX
>let's make a future we all want to live in
>Blue Origin
>let's make a future that boomers can rule in

[Anonymous No.15449893]

>>15449009
You can't physically move at a speed faster than c, but going from Earth to Mars in 10 seconds won't destroy the universe.

[Anonymous No.15449896]

>>15449885
Even India is mogging Europe

[Anonymous No.15449898]

>>15448953
Probably ideal to test with Raptor3 in order to simulate maximum pressure against the plate and water pressure + cooling aspect of the design, as its delivering an extra 39T of downwards force onto the plate over R2s.

[Anonymous No.15449909]

Has Below Orbit reached orbit yet?

>>15449885
>Japan 50% rocket launch failure rate
What went wrong? They fucked their own economy and future, ruined anime and now they can't even launch a rocket?

[Anonymous No.15449910]

>>15449735
Official renders and mock ups normally show design features.

[Anonymous No.15449914]

Angry Astro was really coping in his livestream of the award, I wonder if Dynetics regrets whatever they gave him to shill them so hard.

[Anonymous No.15449916]

>>15449876
Launch from California instead of building up a new launch site in a 3rd world shithole with no relevant infrastructure.

[Anonymous No.15449919]

BOSISTERS NOT LIKE THIS.

[Anonymous No.15449921]

>>15449909
China will overtake Japan's animation industry monopoly in few years.

Some of the chinese 3D anime are already good enough, but with the Chinese leading the AI front, their industry growing rapidly, it will soon overtake Japan. Japan's stagnation is pathetic.

[Anonymous No.15449925]

>>15449921
>but with the Chinese leading the AI front
Lmfao do you get your sources from the CCP? China is over a decade behind the US in AI

[Anonymous No.15449930]

>>15449925
Look up who writes all the AI research papers.

Its all Zhang et al.

[Anonymous No.15449933]

>>15449930
I work in AI, China is not close by any means. The competition only exists internally in the US

[Anonymous No.15449937]

>>15449921
I hope you're right. Japan was regarded as the country of the future. It's sad what happened to them.

>>15449925
>China is over a decade behind the US in AI
What makes you say something stupid like that?

>>15449930
Most high impact papers are from authors who live in the west. Brain drain is bad for China.

[Anonymous No.15449939]

>>15449933
https://aiindex.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/HAI_AI-Index-Report_2023.pdf

Sorry but you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.15449941]

>>15449939
>>15449933

[Anonymous No.15449944]

>>15449933
Friend please be respect

[Anonymous No.15449950]

>>15449937
Because that is reality
>>15449939
Number of publications is not a good measure of whom is ahead. Also tou just linked a paper that also rates by diversity in the field.

[Anonymous No.15449953]

>chink shill out of nowhere
Don't you have a starship to copy?

[Anonymous No.15449955]

>>15449941
>publications
Care to show some implementation? Lets say the equivalent of chatGPT or FSD

[Anonymous No.15449960]

Under the sea,
Under the sea,
There'll be no deflagrations,
No astronaut cremations,
Under the Sea!

[Anonymous No.15449961]

>>15449955
China has their own stuff inside China. And some used outside China. Some of the research papers published by China are used in OpenAI and FSD, like wise, the alternative is also true for the otherside.

But lets not get too into it, the point is, if Japan continues to stagnate, their only real export culture (anime) will be taken over by China by sheer technological force

[Anonymous No.15449969]

I wonder how much Jeff Suborbital personally know about rockets

>>15449601
That takes me back...

[Anonymous No.15449973]

>>15449961
>But lets not get too into it
Because you can't defend implementation.
>China has their own stuff inside China
Name the best and we shall compare
>Some of the research papers published by China are used in OpenAI and FSD
Some. But academic sharing is just that.

[Anonymous No.15449975]

>berger loves it
what went wrong? why did he sell out?

[Anonymous No.15449979]

>>15449975
it means spacex works even harder

[Anonymous No.15449980]

>>15449975
Probably because it didn't threaten spacex whatsoever

[Anonymous No.15449983]

>>15449961
Chinese outsource their anime tiddy designs to Japan for mobile games like Azur Lane, and Chinese comics are awful because the CCP bans most interesting plot lines.

[Anonymous No.15449984]

>>15449980
it weighs down the whole of artemis, like a weight on its neck

[Anonymous No.15449985]

>>15449984
the artemis program is never going to get to artemis 5 lmao

[Anonymous No.15450007]

>>15449910
There are no design features. It exists only in the imagination.

[Anonymous No.15450022]

>>15449983
>outsource their anime tiddy
Actually its Japanese outsourcing their anime tiddy to China/Korea. The designs are then used for Azur Lane/others because there are lot of anime fans in China, more than the entire west likely and a great amount of fan creations including hdoujins/manga/fan arts/etc Not only that, there's tons of original Japan influence designs/aesthetics that have developed internally within China for atleast few generations now. The biggest video platform in China is named after anime character too, its not that China outsources, its that China is influenced greatly by Japan's industry that they've developed their on the verge of developing their own internal ecosystem now. With bit of momentum, it will out run Japanese anime industry. Thats the point.

[Anonymous No.15450025]

>>15450022
I don't see how anime or especially manga plots can work without Japanese autism

[Anonymous No.15450026]

Im thinkin we need some TND

[Anonymous No.15450037]

>>15450025
China has autism too. Their cultivation genre fanbase is bonkers. Its basically their version of shonenshit. But thats getting offtopic.

Lets go back to topic about space flight. They also a growing collection of scifi genres in the works as well.

[Anonymous No.15450038]

what if someone else wants to send crew to an axiom or vast station?

[Anonymous No.15450040]

>>15450038
Everything has a price

[Anonymous No.15450042]

>>15449157
Copywriters.

[Anonymous No.15450045]

>>15449879
NTA but 'hundreds of tons of nuclear fuel to get a small payload to the closest star system in 50 years time' isn't sustainable. It's really only antimatter, terawatt or petawatt scale beamed power propulsion, or some type of speculative physics drive that could support a real interstellar colonization effort, in the case of the former, ship power is easily accounted for. No one is close to anything like that.

I hate nuclear because it's a pop-sci cargo cult where everything nuclear is good and cost doesn't matter, handwavium is used to dismiss any political or engineering challenge.

[Anonymous No.15450047]

>>15450045
>there it is
fuck off solarnigger

[Anonymous No.15450050]

spin launch funeral services
send me to the sun daddy

[Anonymous No.15450051]

>>15450047
Did John Frum visit you yet? Keep trying, I can't wait to be zipping around our solar system with heckin' fusion drives.

[Anonymous No.15450070]

Hop into this nuclear thermal spaceplane, we're going to Proxima Centauri b

[Anonymous No.15450076]

I just like it

[Anonymous No.15450077]

im hoping one of those richfag billionaires decides to pay for a mission to the moon to help build up our presence there because one mission a year isnt enough. where are you, lunar isaacman?

[Anonymous No.15450082]

>>15450077
Elon is literally siccing a whole team on HLS Starship and as much as I hate to admit it, Bezos is doing his part and chipping in half of Artemis V+ for Blue Moon's cost. They are doing things anon, I guarantee more will come just be patient

[Anonymous No.15450083]

>>15450077
Polaris 4. He still has to test the spacesuits, boost Hubble, and test drive Starship first.

[Anonymous No.15450086]

>>15449960
kek

[Anonymous No.15450089]

>>15450082
not that. i meant a private mission like polaris.

[Anonymous No.15450091]

>>15450076
So is this station actually a modified Dragon? Vast's website says they'll build it themselves, but I've seen a few people insist it's a Dragon XL relative.

[Anonymous No.15450092]

How much longer until OFT 2?

>>15450026
Just found out about this. Interesting!

[Anonymous No.15450109]

Dearmoon 2 could happen before Artemis 4

[Anonymous No.15450111]

>>15450091
Its similar to Dragon XL dimensions with minimal viable occupancy design.

[Anonymous No.15450126]

Blue Origin's HLS lander is literally a meme until New Glenn's maiden launch; and if that doesn't happen by 2025, the entire contract is a massive farce.

[Anonymous No.15450128]

>>15450091
Vast is basically SpaceX alumni by a large margin. You can almost consider them an independent "subsidiary". The fact that they basically made their first module a Falcon 9 flight module shouldn't come off as a surprise.

[Anonymous No.15450139]

>>15450076
Gay Salyut

[Anonymous No.15450144]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKSTJhKY6mw
these videos are shit. is it the lady in the video? the generic background? the generic graphic effects? the idea is right but the execution is wrong.

[Anonymous No.15450149]

>>15448078
>to craft a narrative that allows them
He’s doing that all by himself. He deserves everything he’s getting for being a lame edgelord

[Anonymous No.15450155]

>>15447224
The best accident is no accident.

[Anonymous No.15450158]

Holy shit the seethe about Musk in this thread.
Not gonna make it lmao

[Anonymous No.15450162]

>>15450158
This thread literally gargles his balls wdym

[Anonymous No.15450163]

>>15450162
>This thread literally gargles his balls wdym
I saw some seethers (You)

[Anonymous No.15450164]

>>15449159
How do Musk dick riders justify this retardation?
>let’s make a good idea like subterranean trains into something that’s worse in every metric

[Anonymous No.15450166]

>gargles his balls
>dick riders
i am sensing a pattern here

[Anonymous No.15450168]

>>15450164
it's really a shame. the boring company could have been to tunnel boring what tesla was to electric cars and spacex was to rockets. instead they dig retarded vanity projects

[Anonymous No.15450169]

[Anonymous No.15450174]

>>15450169
>water cooled steel plate surives rocket blast
Wow if only SpaceX had known this

[Anonymous No.15450182]

>>15450174
Seethe harder

[Anonymous No.15450189]

>>15450169
now it just has to survive 33 at once

[Anonymous No.15450191]

>>15450089
gotta let NASA be first

[Anonymous No.15450195]

>>15449876
NOVA SCOTIA BABY

[Anonymous No.15450204]

I hope he won't allow any magnetos to come with him to mars

[Anonymous No.15450209]

When the ISS goes what’s next for Russia? Where is Orel, Yenisei, Soyuz-5, Luna, etc?

[Anonymous No.15450211]

>>15450209
>implying russia will be able to afford a space program in the future

[Anonymous No.15450212]

>>15450209
maybe >>15447924

[Anonymous No.15450216]

>>15449163
>>15449175
>>15449178
>>15450164
>>15450168
You can stop samefagging. We get it, you're retarded

[Anonymous No.15450219]

>>15450209
State dissolution.

[Anonymous No.15450228]

>>15450216
>>>15449163
>>>15449175 (You)
>>>15449178
>>>15450164
>>>15450168 (You)
all me by the way

[Anonymous No.15450247]

[Anonymous No.15450259]

>>15450258
>>15450258
>>15450258

[Anonymous No.15450263]

Does anyone have any guesses why SpaceX is prioritizing TWR so aggressively for Starship and Superheavy? It seems like it was already more than adequate and they would get more benefit out of having higher thermal margins. What design consideration would drive them to need so much thrust?

[Anonymous No.15450302]

>>15448765
I'm coping hard on 4chan so I guess we're even

[Anonymous No.15450321]

>>15448814
This one is too big for that actually

[Anonymous No.15450345]

>>15449017
Nigger

[Anonymous No.15450355]

>>15449066
Total Bezos Death

[Anonymous No.15450372]

>>15450263
Earth

[Anonymous No.15450467]

>>15448741
honestly, having an airlock is more then i expected. better then the old proposal where they just would depressurize the entire cabin every time they wanted to do an eva.

[Anonymous No.15450504]

tim dodd will go to space and you never will

[Anonymous No.15450523]

>>15450263
Means they can throttle back and achieve the same thrust, improving reliability