/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15441617]

So photons don’t actually exist?

[Anonymous No.15441667]

>>15441617
idk anything about physics but i'm convinced they're just an electric and magnetic field causing each other to self-propagate

[Anonymous No.15441671]

No, photons exist.

[Anonymous No.15441726]

>>15441617
They say they are "ghost" particles.
I still have hard time aknowladging that. Makes no sense.
I am much more as >>15441667 anon here. I finde everythig common sensical until "particle" part enters the room.

[Anonymous No.15441727]

>>15441671
If it goes through two holes at the same time that’s a field not a particle.
>it’s in both holes until you measure it to preserve free will or something
Niggers tongue my anus.

[Anonymous No.15441989]

>>15441617
>So photons don’t actually exist
Looks like an detector event.

[Anonymous No.15442018]

>>15441617
They do but they're angels and "dark matter" are demons, science will never explain it without accepting the Bible.

[Anonymous No.15442051]

not with any sort of pov of their own but to us they do

[Anonymous No.15442053]

>>15441617
They are discrete energy, plain and simple. Even mechanical waves act by electromagnetic interaction, photons. A moving body in space is represented by electrons with momentum, so they contain photons. When the body is deaccelerated photons are emitted. When the mass of a proton is removed, again photons are released. Sound waves, called phonons, also depend on the medium EM interactions, so photons again.

Pic unrelated

[Cult of Passion No.15442061]

>>15442053
Space is a medium?

[Anonymous No.15442063]

>>15442061
Oh I triggered the schizo somehow

[Cult of Passion No.15442073]

>>15442063
Space doesnt have properties. Whats your measuring is the effects of the rest of the universe.

Youre not a scientist, youre a retard.

[Anonymous No.15442078]

>>15442073
Brother, notice I was talking about the medium in sound waves

[Cult of Passion No.15442083]

>>15442078
>Brother
No, you are a retarded stepchild. We are not the same species.
>notice I was talking about the medium in sound waves
No.

[Anonymous No.15442122]

>>15442053
Are they actually discrete or can measurements have half a photon?

[Anonymous No.15442123]

>>15442083
NTA but what criterion do you use to determin differences in species?

[Cult of Passion No.15442140]

>>15442123
Geneticists and Evolutionary Biologists havnt coined to terms yet and my terms are pulled from other fields so it wouldnt make sense to you (I do this to keep orders in my brain, does pose issues in Physics as my terms for that field are very Math oriented.)

Lateral. Thats the best way I would describe it, as you are looking Vertical, there is a another dimension to evolution that is very lateral in nature, which throws the entire "Species" definition into question.

Read, covers much of this, then come back and tell me what you learned and I will fill in gaps of your understanding.

[Anonymous No.15442144]

>>15441727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

mfw anon doesnt understand basic concepts in quantum mechanics (cough cough heisenberg uncertainty principle)

[Cult of Passion No.15442154]

>>15442140
>havnt coined to terms yet
Well, Lateral Gene Transfer and Endo-Symbiosis...but that describes two things, and it is both of those, but...without writting pages (not interested today) thats all Ill write.

Gene Activation (Known to Science) and Evolutionary Direction (Unknown to Science) is another part of it, Atavism as well.

All pf these combine to warp the "Tree" into a 3.5-Dimensional "cloud", the math in it is fucking massive, 10 to the pttth massive.

[Anonymous No.15442157]

>>15442144
But there is no wave particle duality. If it acts like a wave it’s a fucking wave. Don’t cope at me with your social shaming fallacy.

[Anonymous No.15442170]

>>15442157
Except when it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.15442178]

>>15442140
Ill add it to the list.
Can you atleast try to explain somehow? Via analogy perhaps?

[Anonymous No.15442180]

>>15442122
Photons are fundamental in the standard model, so no, you can't have half of one, just varying energy states.

Not that there aren't fringe theories suggesting the supposed "fundamental" particles are made up of something smaller still. But meh.

[Anonymous No.15442181]

>>15442170
>THE MEASUREMENT DEVICE USED ITS FREE WILL TO CHANGE THE FUTURE!!!

[Anonymous No.15442183]

>>15442181
There's no free will or consciousness involved, that's quantum woo that gets spread around a lot.

But measuring it does seem to change its nature, ala pilot wave theory.

[Cult of Passion No.15442184]

>>15442178
I literally just did. Fuck....you didnt look up any of those terms, huh?

Wjy would I type to the blind?

[Anonymous No.15442189]

>>15442183
The actual explanation is the equipment interference fact and no it doesn’t use its free will. The equipment itself is causing particle-like behavior in the experiment while normally it works like a wave. That doesn’t mean there’s a wave particle duality. It means the equipment it blocking the wave and/or throwing particles in it.

[Anonymous No.15442192]

>>15442184
>so it wouldnt make sense to you
._.

[Anonymous No.15442198]

>>15442144
>>15442157
Bruh both of you are having misconceptions desu. This wave-particle "duality" is an old misunderstanding for a few decades prior that has made it into modern curriculum here and now, but modern textbooks and papers avoid this.

"Duality" is the relationship between two entities that are claimed to be fundamentally equally important or legitimate as features of the underlying object. So for instance, objects such as photons (and electromagnetic waves composed of them) and electrons exhibit both wave and particle properties and they are equally natural, possible, and important.

In fact, we may say that there are two equivalent descriptions of particles – in the position basis and the momentum basis. The former corresponds to the particle paradigm, the latter corresponds to the wave paradigm because waves with well-defined wavelengths are represented by simple objects.

This doesn't mean they are both a particle and a wave at the same time, it just means that they exhibit behaviours that we might attribute to waves, and behaviours that we might attribute to particles.

These particles are what are most times referred to as "quantum particles". A quantum particle is not a Newtonian particle. A quantum particle is not a wave. A quantum particle never behaves as a wave and this is the reason why the discipline that studies quantum particles such as electrons, quarks, or photons is named "particle physics" not "wave physics".

This being said, tl;dr the development of quantum mechanics has been plagued with myths and misconceptions, including the particle-wave ""duality"". Quantum particles of our world (the particles that arise from way that we model the world anyways) are not Newtonian particles, or waves. Rather, they are their own unique "object" exhibit both properties that are equally natural and important physically/mathematically.

[Cult of Passion No.15442201]

>>15442192
I used terms that have full wiki articles on and even then it went 100% over your head. What the fuck...why are you asking for equations you cant comprehend? A caveman asking for equations in a language he has never seen...

Go away.

[Anonymous No.15442208]

>>15442201
:)

[Cult of Passion No.15442223]

>>15442208
You can see the very moment his demonic possession occures, all lies of the self disappeared, his truest self laid bare.

https://youtu.be/HX9YO88Ynv8

If only people could be true to themselves and not be mask wearing charlatans, living pathetic lives of self delusion...

[Anonymous No.15442226]

>>15442223
Yes and?:)

[Cult of Passion No.15442232]

>>15442226
>and?
And you are retarded. You have become so accustomed to lying that you unwittingly lie to yourself while believing your own rationalizstion which is simply ignorance and molecular reinforcing in the brain, a drug addict.

You have failed to become a real human, or if you insist on being "human species",
proved by contradiction that I am a literal alien compared to you.

[Anonymous No.15442235]

>>15442232
Oh and what else?:D

[Cult of Passion No.15442240]

>>15442235
Post timestamp of your room.

[Anonymous No.15442246]

>>15442240
I cant its dark outside:D

[Cult of Passion No.15442253]

>>15442246
>Lies.
This is why you will never lnow true joy...instead you are an "energy parasite" because you produce nothing but a debt for reality itself.

You will never be worthy of anything but the drugs your brain produces, which strengthen and deaden parts of your Physiology, which is the root of demonic possession; ergo you are a mentally demented maladapted failure.

[Anonymous No.15442278]

>>15442253
Insult after insult after insult... al this for what...

All this time i come here just for you CoP.
I am obsesed with your mind i admit.

[Cult of Passion No.15442281]

>>15442278
No, these are assessments.

Developmemtal Psychology & Evolutionary Cognition, PhD.

The fact you think definitions of reality are "insults" are the same reason your completely scienficially ignorant and basically mentally retarded.

You are, by MEDICAL DEFINITION, retarded. So are the people you think are genius, theyre retarded too. You both are fucking stupid.

Deal with it, you fucking monkey.

B^l

[Anonymous No.15442312]

>>15442281
Assessments oh boi do i like those.
Here are mine for you ofc. the list keeps growing every day:
>Clear insicators of superiority-complex
>Projections
>Anger issues
>Psychosis
>Egocentrism
>Egomania
>Obssesivnes
>Lack of empathy
>Lack of compassion
>Spliting
>Abusive

You can have any phd you like, you will allways be a kid for me that was bullied to much in young age. Perhaps even misstreated by parents. I feel deeply sorry for you CoP. Even if i have hard time differentiating your worth and that of a morning shit. You think you can dassign values to others just like that, but you only have this power until others let you. Now you may travel the world and i admit be intelligent but being an asshole kinda shadows all that. Well i understand.. being intelligent is only value you have of yourself. That is only thing that makes you feel worthy does it not? Ahhh.. just another barking dog you are.

[Cult of Passion No.15442341]

>>15442312
>superiority-complex
Not a complex when its verifiable fact, this is a projection of your insecurities and feeble attempts to compete;
>Projections
*cough*
>Anger issues
You literally acted like a jackass to get a reaction. Youre self-victimizing seeking behavior is sepf destructive, just like your faux-understanding...its ruined your future.
>Psychosis
Youre differential diagnosis revealed nothing but your ignorance, projection and emotional instability, seeking chaos to validate your asymetry in development.
>Egocentrism
The world literally reacts to me, subconsciously, there is no ego centrism as I usually stick to the STEM...but "i come here just for you CoP" makes it about me, which I didnt bring up.
>Egomania
*cough*, youre so engrossed in someone else you crashed your car...
>Obssesivnes
Yes, in a world of liars (you) the Truth is what I seek.
>Lack of empathy
My empathy was so potent it allowed me to calculate glass breaking at the atomic level, youre so engrossed in ypur emotions you cannot percieve reality anymore.
>Lack of compassion
I passed out candy to kids in Afghanistan, ypure so engrossed in your own emotions you lost toucb with reality and libe in an ego-centric fantasy.
>Spliting
Schizo means split, as the goremost Doctor in the field, Yes. The House Of Davide, mother agaisnt daughter and all that.
>Abusive
Developmental Psychological Processing, you will either drop your corrupted ego or you will deny reality to feel vindicated while bringing persecution onto yourself to fill the void of your unfullfiling life.

This goes one way because your way is anti-Science, anti-Truth, anti-Moral, anti-Evolution.

[Anonymous No.15442650]

>>15442341
Fucking photon

[Anonymous No.15443898]

Photons are a delusion invented by Einstein.