/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.15410355]

I don't understand this reusable boosters meme edition
Previous: >>15407668

[Anonymous No.15410360]

There's space for all of us :)

[Anonymous No.15410361]

well poisoning by talking about scifi shit general

[Anonymous No.15410363]

[Anonymous No.15410374]

Hell yeah I love Star Ship
But the Ship is spelled ef oh ex

[Anonymous No.15410373]

Don't say anything I disagree with in this thread or else...

[Anonymous No.15410390]

>Starship will go the way of N1
This take is all over the place now.
It's really retarded. There's no reason to expect it to not work at least as well as the shuttle.
SpaceX is not about to run out of money and Elon is not about to cancel the program so what would even stop it?

[Anonymous No.15410393]

>Starship
>isn't a star made into a ship
>doesn't ship stars
Join my class action lawsuit against SpaceX and their false advertising. If you spent hours of your time waiting for it to launch, you could be entitled to damages

[Anonymous No.15410395]

curious, how many anons in sfg actually work in the aerospace industry/are studying aerospace engineering or other related fields?

[Anonymous No.15410398]

>dance floor moved to the pad

[Anonymous No.15410399]

>>15410360
inside starship's payload bay if rendered into a fine paste

[Anonymous No.15410406]

>>15410395
There are a few of us.
>there is overlap between this group, 4ASS, and the memetech/schizotech enthusiasts

[Anonymous No.15410407]

>>15410390
I think these people are just faggots.
They can't even imagine what it's like to toil through failure so assume it cannot happen even if the incentives are aligned for it happen and there's no physical nor financial reason it couldn't happen.

[Anonymous No.15410424]

meanwhile, OUR QUEEN
https://twitter.com/v_wyche/status/1652468860056944641
>Congratulations to Gwynne Shotwell, President and COO of @SpaceX, for receiving the foundation’s most prestigious award, the National Space Trophy. The award has been given out annually since 1987 to an outstanding American who has made major contributions to our nation's space program.

[Anonymous No.15410426]

>spacex labeled the locations where each individual section of starship waits for assembly
autists everywhere cheer

[Anonymous No.15410429]

>>15410424

[Anonymous No.15410431]

>>15410390
These people don't matter, but now you know how it felt to watch actual important people in the space industry delude themselves for 10 years about Falcon 9.

Any day now Musk would get bored. Any day now the scheme would be exposed. Any day now they would run out of money because the government subsidies would stop. Any day now they'd suffer a mission failure. Any day now they'd somehow run out of boosters. Any day now Shelby would stop them.

[Anonymous No.15410432]

>>15410429
cope, orbitlet

[Anonymous No.15410433]

>>15410426
This is the work of a systems engineer, or a production engineer. Or some super specific field of engineering
Pure tism, but I love it

[Anonymous No.15410435]

>>15410390
>>15410431
i just remember EARTHERS will be stuck on earth for theri entire lives while i get to hang out on mars

[Anonymous No.15410437]

What’s more pathetic, SLS or Blue Origin
My vote is BO

[Anonymous No.15410439]

>>15410437
SLS launched and orion got to the moon

[Anonymous No.15410442]

>>15410395
I got a chance to intern in the industry a few years ago. Now I'm finally about to graduate and have been interviewing with some space companies. I really really hope I manage to get in.

[Anonymous No.15410445]

>>15410437
YENISEI

[Anonymous No.15410447]

>>15410431
Important people in the space industry are still deluding themselves about Falcon 9

[Anonymous No.15410454]

>>15410447
*impotent

[Anonymous No.15410456]

>>15410447
Nah, they're just coping now. Tory just spits vapid bylines about ULA. Whatever Germ is in charge of Ariane now just talks about how 6 is going to turn the company around. Everyone else has gone bankrupt or seethes by trying to sue SpaceX. Even Ballast is being forced to say nice things about the company now, even if Biden is still pretending that the company, and Musk as an individual, doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.15410457]

>>15410390
if you think it's bad now wait until the second one blows up or burns up on reentry

[Anonymous No.15410462]

>>15410457
If it just crashes on reentry while trying to land no one will say anything because everyone knows that it is just a matter of time at this point.

[Anonymous No.15410463]

>>15410435
>i get to hang out on mars
Whether or not a Mars colony exists, you'll be stuck on Earth with the rest of the riff-raff.

[Anonymous No.15410466]

>>15410462
What's going to happen is it will be torn apart on reentry and some idiots will go around posting pictures of stainless steel sheets in the ocean and cry about the poor fish. The same people that have never thought about space until last week

[Anonymous No.15410467]

>>15410435
>while i get to hang out on mars
YWNGTS

[Anonymous No.15410469]

>>15410463
>>15410467
>yes, demoralize ze mazzes
>no one shall escape ze gravity vell

[Anonymous No.15410476]

>>15410469
>no one shall escape ze gravity vell
People will, just not the ones that post that kind of drivel here.

[Anonymous No.15410477]

>>15410435
>i get to hang out on mars

[Anonymous No.15410489]

>>15410395
I'm a highschool drop out. Not that you asked.

[Anonymous No.15410491]

>>15410445
Kek the image

[Anonymous No.15410524]

>>15410437
SLS actually launched. BO has yet to launch any actual payloads/get into orbit. That said SLS was mostly built on ancient, proven technology just in a different configuration. Even the RJ-25's that the next few missions are going to use are refurbished leftover engines from STS. And while BO hasn't launched shit, they are actually (finally) delivering engines.

[Anonymous No.15410536]

>>15410395
I'm a meager stick-wiggler

[Anonymous No.15410548]

[Anonymous No.15410551]

[Anonymous No.15410556]

>>15410429
>Outstanding contributions
How many palms did he grease and how many cocks were sucked for that "award"?

[Anonymous No.15410559]

>>15410361
For me it's StarWars directed by Wes Anderson

https://twitter.com/CuriousRefuge/status/1652412004626497536

[Anonymous No.15410578]

>>15410395
went to university for aerospace. made good grades but dropped out due to autism

[Anonymous No.15410583]

remember that doomer article after the first FH flight saying how billions of flights had to be diverted? lol

[Anonymous No.15410587]

>>15410583
THE CAPE HAS FALLEN
BILLIONS OF FLIGHTS MUST DIVERT

[Anonymous No.15410588]

>>15410524
>And while BO hasn't launched shit, they are actually (finally) delivering engines.
...booster engines, which will not reach orbit.

[Anonymous No.15410592]

>>15410588
I meant "first stage" engines, it doesn't matter whether they're mains or boosters.

[Anonymous No.15410593]

>>15410583
I was under the impression that SpaceX themselves initially felt that they made a mistake with Falcon Heavy due to it taking away from Starship efforts

[Anonymous No.15410605]

>>15410593
I have explained this before, and I wish I could just copy and paste the post but I can't find it. Basically though, in Elon's eyes, FH was a mistake because of all the time and money that went into it just so they could compete for launch contracts that ultimately wouldn't amount to much, and (by the time FH launched) wouldn't need FH in most cases because of the improvements made to F9.

[Anonymous No.15410607]

[Anonymous No.15410609]

>>15410607
XD

[Anonymous No.15410610]

>>15410395
I write boring non aerospace related software at a midsize aerospace company

[Anonymous No.15410614]

Okay, a man-rated Falcon Heavy isn't going to happen, but could a fully expended Falcon Heavy put a cargo Dragon into a into a TLI trajectory?

[Anonymous No.15410615]

>>15410607
>MartyMcFlyPointingAtTV.jpg

[Anonymous No.15410617]

>>15410395
I used to work at an AEROspace company, now I make DoD shit, but I've been browsing aeroSPACE openings again recently

[Anonymous No.15410618]

>>15410615
are they really recycling articles now

[Anonymous No.15410619]

>>15410614
aren't they using FH to launch the first parts of gateway to the moon?

[Anonymous No.15410620]

>>15410614
Anon... Dragon XL. Please.

[Anonymous No.15410622]

>>15410619
If I knew, I wouldn't be asking.

[Anonymous No.15410623]

>>15410622
google says yes
https://www.space.com/spacex-falcon-heavy-to-launch-nasa-lunar-gateway-modules

[Anonymous No.15410625]

>>15410620
I do like the idea of Cargo filled Dragons waiting patiently on the moons surface for our manned missions to land and put the material to use.

[Anonymous No.15410626]

>>15410614
I think so, Viasat-3 is ~6400 kg and it was put into GEO which is like 800 m/s more delta-v than a TLI
>>15410623
PPE and HALO will be injected in a much lower orbit and then spiral out under its electric propulsion

[Anonymous No.15410628]

>>15410625
i got news for you

[Anonymous No.15410634]

>>15410628
Why is HLS white but all of SpaceX’s renders show a silver metallic Starship landing on the Moon?

[Anonymous No.15410636]

>>15410625
No, I mean that the Dragon XL module is being sent to the moon with FH.

[Anonymous No.15410638]

>>15410634
They do?

[Anonymous No.15410639]

>>15410634
better pr for nasa

[Anonymous No.15410642]

>>15410628
We could launch the Silver? Dragons now, rather than wait however long HLS may take.

[Anonymous No.15410647]

>>15410634
White reflects more heat than Silver does.

[Anonymous No.15410650]

>>15410647
So will the Mars starships also be white?

[Anonymous No.15410652]

>>15410620
Eh, Dragon XL doesn't need to carry crew or reenter, it must have a better mass fraction than Crew Dragon and substantially better performance

[Anonymous No.15410654]

>>15410652
You literally asked about Cargo Dragon. That is precisely what Dragon XL is, but bigger.

[Anonymous No.15410657]

>>15410650
No, because they will be covered in tiles like you see now. The reason why HLS doesn't have tiles is because it isn't going to go back to Earth, and it doesn't require them when leaving Earth.

[Anonymous No.15410659]

>>15410650
Dunno. It would depend on whether or not excess heating is a problem.
It does matter, here on Earth anyway, at a previous employer's place I saw 15 degree C differences in internal ambient temps between a white enclosure and a light gray one.

[Anonymous No.15410660]

>>15410657
So you’re saying, in other words:
If HLS happened to have tiles it could be raw stainless steel
Correct me if I’m wrong

[Anonymous No.15410663]

>>15410654
That wasn't me and I disagree that Dragon XL is just a bigger Dragon, which is fundamentally designed around carrying crew and returning from orbit despite that they have an unmanned variant.

[Anonymous No.15410664]

>>15410660
Yes. Mars doesn't get all that hot. It gets really fucking cold though.

[Anonymous No.15410666]

>>15410664
Is that more to do with the distance from the sun, or the difference between “literally zero atmosphere” and “basically a vacuum, but still an atmosphere”?
(hopefully this question makes sense)

[Anonymous No.15410669]

>>15410666
I have very little insight into the causes and effects of Mars' atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.15410671]

>>15410666
It's both, plus Mars doesn't have as much internal heat as Earth does, which is why all the volcanoes are extinct and there's no magnetic field (which also explains the thin atmosphere).

[Anonymous No.15410695]

Reminder

[Anonymous No.15410700]

>>15410695
Yes. The superior habitat

[Anonymous No.15410702]

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1653096136230465536
>Rep Eric Sorenson (D-IL), the new Ranking Member of the House SS&T space sbcmt, and Rep Brandon Williams (R-NY) are introducing the DOE and NASA Interagency Research Coordination Act that allows the two agencies to work together w/o congressional approval.

[Anonymous No.15410706]

>>15410702
Is NASA capable enough to work without authorization/mandates these days?

[Anonymous No.15410708]

Okay but imagine the insanity of a timeline where Blue Origin goes from ‘nothing’ to ‘nuclear engines in orbit’. 100% probability of it going up on a Vulcan or New Glenn

[Anonymous No.15410710]

>>15410708
Why does the government trust anyone besides spacex or boeing/lockheed to handle nuclear material lmao. Imagine some astra-tier nuclear failure from some literal who company

[Anonymous No.15410719]

>>15410708
I would say no chance in hell, but Bezos does have the ability to dump infinite money into it. So it's a maybe

[Anonymous No.15410721]

>>15410702
It will be disastrous for NASA if they go down this path, they should not be the face of developing a technology that has virtually no civilian use despite how much old space has their hooks into them. It also has little military use but will serve to provoke tensions and lead to much better forms of nuclear propulsion getting banned.
>>15410710
The reactor won't get turned on until it reaches space so a failed launch isn't of grave consequence but there is still the fact that you can deorbit them over your enemies and cause nuclear fallout.

[Anonymous No.15410724]

>>15410721
Kek imagine blue origin losing a reactor core and it breaking up over china or canada or something

[Anonymous No.15410728]

>>15410426
left top and bottom are out of line...

[Anonymous No.15410738]

>>15410721
>It also has little military use

The military is extremely interested in nuclear propulsion for Cislunar space.

[Anonymous No.15410743]

what key system must you check when performing a translunar injection to cislunar space?

[Anonymous No.15410745]

>>15410743
All of them?

[Anonymous No.15410749]

>>15410743
stir the tanks

[Anonymous No.15410750]

> WeiFenHangYu (微分航宇), a startup manufacturing spacecraft deploying mechanisms, supply structures of stacking and deploying Starlink-like flat-panel satellites

https://twitter.com/cnspaceflight/status/1653203732702826496?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

[Anonymous No.15410752]

>>15410743
the nuclear harpoons

[Anonymous No.15410755]

>>15410750
The one on the left is just a photoshopped set of handgun magazines.

[Anonymous No.15410764]

>>15410738
The military is interested in a bunch of dumb shit that most of their leadership don't understand, so what? Non-pulsed solid core nuclear thermal does not offer significantly more delta-v than chemical to the point where it could be of much use tactically, worse is the danger posed to crew, poor reliability, the high cost, and the political nightmare that will be any incident where a ship is destroyed.

It serves no purpose than to line the pockets of old space and if you didn't have nuclear autism you wouldn't go out of your way to run defense for them.

[Anonymous No.15410769]

>>15410390
Well, it's obvious how that came to be.
People who don't really care about spaceflight hear that Starship has many engine like <russian thing>. People know russian thing bad. People conclude Starship bad.

[Anonymous No.15410770]

>>15410764
>he thinks there will be crew in space warfare

[Anonymous No.15410774]

>>15410764
>crew
>doubled delta-V isn't meaningful
The entire point is unmanned spacefighters to go screaming around cislunar space zapping chinksats and vodkasats with an occasional fuelup in LEO or LLO, and a bimodal reactor for self power and to feed offensive lasers. Starship is poorly suited to that mission compared to LH2 based NTP.

[Anonymous No.15410775]

>>15410750
you would think that somehow a country with a billion people would learn to make something unique eventually

[Anonymous No.15410776]

>>15410770
Shhhh, don't say that, you might anger the muskrats who think humans will actually have a place in space exploration instead of robots taking over even more than now.

[Anonymous No.15410777]

>>15410775
Not enough freedom in China for that

[Anonymous No.15410782]

>>15410395
Also an Aerospace Engineer. I am aero, but I know classmates that have worked for SpaceX, or on the starliner team (both have bailed to other projects). I also know a guy who works on satellite hardware for Grumman.

[Anonymous No.15410783]

>>15410618
They repeat certain themed articles whenever something relevant happens IRL.

For example, every mass shooting in Burgeristan gets this
>'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

[Anonymous No.15410791]

>>15410775
I'm convinced that it's a product of their insanely competitive education system. It produces millions of people who are incredibly good at absorbing and regurgitating information without being able to have an original creative thought to save their lives.

[Anonymous No.15410797]

>>15410791
That's my biggest worry in making higher education free for those who can test into it.

[Anonymous No.15410801]

>>15410770
Initially, yes, because the military doesn't understand space or what they should be prioritizing.
>>15410774
>doubled delta-V
Except this would only be true if it had the same mass fraction as chemical, which is an impossibility, and you're ignoring that a simple kick stage would give it more delta-v than a single stage NTR. Also you're ignoring that they could have many more ships placed closer to the action without the absurd cost of nuclear thermal, which would be a greater benefit for surveillance.
>screaming around cislunar space zapping chinksats and vodkasats with an occasional fuelup in LEO or LLO, and a bimodal reactor for self power and to feed offensive lasers
You do realize that is an act of war and that the consequence of such an engagement means nothing compared to the hot war that will follow, right? Where is that shitty Robert DeNiro poster when I need him?

[Anonymous No.15410803]

>>15410791
It's also a deeper cultural thing. Chinese business culture guarantees unless you pay through the nose for top quality stuff your materials will be shit, perhaps literally. Their face culture punishes public failures, and experimentation relies on freedom to fail and try again. Finally, the CCP has tentacles in every company in China, so if your company might potentially inconvenience them it will never be allowed to exist at all.

[Anonymous No.15410806]

>>15410783
>Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
yeah, the other ones have knife attacks and fist fights, or just thugs with guns anyway

[Anonymous No.15410809]

>>15410801
There is no need for crewed warships in space. The extra mass added by life support systems and the logistics that resupply would add would never be worth it. It's not like a computer can't do orbital calculations

[Anonymous No.15410813]

>>15410801
>a kick stage
That's ONE maneuver. NTP with orbital depots is about naval style extended patrols.
>same mass fraction as chemical which is impossible
NTP spacecraft designs with mass ratios of 4:1-5:1 have been around for decades, which matches a refueled Starship.
>a bloo bloo bloo act of war
Gee whiz we'd better tell the Pentagon deploying a weapons system might be an act of war! You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.15410814]

>>15410764
>Non-pulsed solid core nuclear thermal does not offer significantly more delta-v than chemical

trollface.jpg

[Anonymous No.15410819]

>>15410775
Their EVs are unique, and very good.

[Anonymous No.15410820]

>>15410819
They're stolen Tesla tech with new bodywork.

[Anonymous No.15410821]

>>15410806
You're right; and you're wrong. Line up homicides per capita or non-fatal assaults per capita, then see how things align.

[Anonymous No.15410822]

>>15410820
Show me a battery-swapping Tesla

[Anonymous No.15410823]

>>15410822
All of them? None of the batteries are permanently attached to the chassis.

[Anonymous No.15410827]

>>15410806
Because some drunken bar crawl is comparable to a mass shooting, lol

[Anonymous No.15410831]

>>15410823
https://youtu.be/P3WjZzO8w3A?t=75
Teslas can't do this

[Anonymous No.15410833]

>>15410827
The vast majority of mass shootings in the US are ghetto nogs shooting at each other. White Americans have a homicide rate on par with western Europeans.

[Anonymous No.15410835]

>>15410813
>That's ONE maneuver. NTP with orbital depots is about naval style extended patrols.
If you had orbital depots, the kick stage would be used until it had barely enough propellant to autonomously return for fueling. Simple, effective, cheap.
>NTP spacecraft designs with mass ratios of 4:1-5:1 have been around for decades, which matches a refueled Starship
Disingenuous even if true, Starship is designed to take off from Earth, reach space, and return and it has a worse mass fraction than any hypothetical chemical ship serving the same purpose as your dumb sci-fi influenced fantasies. Hydrolox ships are another possibility you ignore, solid core does not have double the delta-v as chemical and literally every proposed mission has proven this.
>Gee whiz we'd better tell the Pentagon deploying a weapons system might be an act of war! You fucking retard.
At least you now admit that they wouldn't be of any real use, unless you're stating that they're going to start a war over something so trivial like a spy sat. Keep sucking that old space dick, faggot

[Anonymous No.15410836]

It's an improvement...

[Anonymous No.15410838]

>>15410835
>unless you're stating that they're going to start a war over something so trivial like a spy sat
You do understand that the point of having weapons is deterrence right? Why do we have aircraft carriers? Why do we have long range bombers?

[Anonymous No.15410842]

>>15410836
More jobs / district metric

[Anonymous No.15410844]

>>15410831
Kind of unrelated but I checked and the latest NIO SUV has 1000kms of range, wtf

[Anonymous No.15410847]

>>15410836
The original design was way better, unironically

[Anonymous No.15410848]

>>15410833
>look up random mass shootings
>none of them are gang violence but innocent bystanders getting killed in schools and various public places
I mean your defense was laughable in the first place but it's not even true wwwww

[Anonymous No.15410852]

>>15410809
There is no need for manned fighter jets, tell the military that and while you're at it tell them that there are a bunch of other ideas they refuse to let go of that are dumb and antiquated.
>>15410838
Your claim implies that NTRs are necessary for such a weapon platform when obviously that isn't the case and other types of spacecraft would have higher payload fractions for weapons/defenses. I hope you're getting paid for this.

[Anonymous No.15410851]

>>15410848
You didn't actually look up shooting statistics in the US.e

[Anonymous No.15410854]

>>15410852
>There is no need for manned fighter jets

There is a very real possibility that the F-35 will be the last traditionally crewed fighter for the USAF.

[Anonymous No.15410855]

>>15410835
You’re gay whining about weapons and war is retarded and borderline thirdy.

[Anonymous No.15410857]

>>15410852
They are literally working on phasing out manned aircraft. What is loyal wingman? What is NGAD? What is the CBARS? Did you think this was possible twenty years ago?
Also
>Fighter jets
Proves you don’t know what youre talking about.

[Anonymous No.15410858]

>>15410821
something something thirteen something, uhh
... population... skin. demographics.

[Anonymous No.15410861]

>>15410851
I never claimed I did, nigga. I checked a random sample of the ones covered by onion. That sample size was already bigger than many countries' entire history of mass shootings combined.

It's truly is hilarious that they're such a mundane fact of life to you that they're only statistics at this point lmao
Anywhere civilized something like a mass shooting is a rare statistical anomaly, not average Tuesday.

[Anonymous No.15410862]

spacex will have more employees than nasa by the end of the decade

[Anonymous No.15410863]

>>15410854
I agree, but the point the military will mismanage resources based on structural dogma which is inherent in their organization. You have a bunch of people leading Space Force that probably don't even know what delta-v means and they're being influenced by defense contractors who want nothing more than for them to focus their efforts on spacecraft that even the most feverous autist in /sfg/ can't come up with a good use case for. Manned NTR gunships are a real possibility.
>>15410857
>gatekeeping
None of that disputes what I said unless you think they couldn't have done it earlier.
>>15410855
Not an argument, you concede

[Anonymous No.15410866]

>>15410863
>guy who doesn’t know anything about military thinks military is retarded
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.15410870]

>>15410863
They probably could have done it at best 5, maybe 10 years earlier. Maybe. Again, you weren’t even aware these things existed. Whining about gatekeeping makes you look like a child which I think you probably are. If you don’t know anything about a topic why speak like you are not only an authority figure but like everyone who actually works in the field is retarded? Must be a teenager thing

[Anonymous No.15410873]

>>15410866
>Guy who lists acronyms he had to Google pretends that the military isn't retarded despite proven track record of it
Many such cases.
>>15410870
>They probably could have done it at best 5, maybe 10 years earlier.
Based on what? Your opinion? It's irrelevant, they haven't actually transitioned to unmanned aircraft and you're gatekeeping over nothing. Hell I know someone who worked on XQ-58.
>everyone who actually works in the field is retarded?
Get a real job, I know the military welcomes trannies with open arms but you're still a welfare queen.

[Anonymous No.15410876]

>>15410873
>gatekeeping
>my uncle works at Nintendo

[Anonymous No.15410883]

>>15410876
Yes, some people do work at Kratos but what specifically is your job? I think you're probably a NEET who spends all day on /k/ and spergs out when he hears someone say fighter jets. Cut off your already near nonexistent balls and you can be as accomplished as these women.

[Anonymous No.15410886]

>>15410827
He's probably talking about incidents like the one in Brazil recently where some psycho killed 4 schoolkids with a machete; I think it even happened around the same time as the Nashville shooting (but received little to no coverage in US news, of course).

[Anonymous No.15410891]

>>15410831
Teslas also dont have fat milkies like this nicaraguan chick I'm banging

[Anonymous No.15410894]

>>15410891
>he doesn't have full self-milking

[Anonymous No.15410896]

>>15410844
It exists same way Roadster 2 exists (it doesnt)

[Anonymous No.15410904]

>>15410836
>Destination: Mars, asteroids
>whoops never mind it's just a moon capsule again

[Anonymous No.15410906]

>>15410861
>by onion
You're both brown and retarded. Never post here again.

[Anonymous No.15410907]

>>15410896
It's coming out next month
And anyways they have sedans with 1000km range as well

[Anonymous No.15410908]

>>15410836
This is frightening

[Anonymous No.15410910]

>>15410907
Yeah plaid+ came out too and where is it now? fact is, you manufacture/sell more cars at lower range, as Tesla well understands. NIO will too

[Anonymous No.15410914]

>>15410886
There was another one just like this some years ago. Of course it isn't to the scale of a shooting, but I've heard of many nasty fights in my school, and in my college once someone was stabbed to death in a bathroom due to relationship issues.
My point there was that school violence isn't caused by gun ownership, but libs exploit the shootings as a way to get what they want anyway.

[Anonymous No.15410916]

remember when sierra was talking about leaving dreamchaser's cargo module in orbit as an unmanned space station/platform? they had some interest from the government too. i wonder why they opted to not launch it solo instead of waiting for dreamchaser to be finished. dreamchaser is taking forever, who knows when it will go to space. pic related, dreamchaser and it's cargo module.
https://www.americaspace.com/2020/07/17/snc-shooting-star-wins-contract-for-unmanned-orbital-outpost/

[Anonymous No.15410918]

>>15410910
I don't think Teslas are doomed in China or anything like that, I'm just impressed by big number

[Anonymous No.15410919]

>>15410916
If they withhold the Shooting Star until Dream Chaser is ready they guarantee the government won't kill Dream Chaser.

[Anonymous No.15410921]

>>15410919
seems plausible...though i figured they might make enough money from shooting star to get dreamchaser funded

[Anonymous No.15410922]

>>15410918
Are you drunk? I'm not making any judgements on Tesla or NIO, I'm saying either of them make more money by selling smaller battery packs

[Anonymous No.15410923]

>>15410435
>EARTHERS will be stuck on earth
They will be stuck in the garden of eden while every off worlder will have their bones and heart damaged beyond repair to ever return to earth by low or no gravity

[Anonymous No.15410929]

>>15410695
How tall would it have to be for there to be enough radiation protection from the air?

[Anonymous No.15410932]

>>15410894
I'll gladly milk her manually if you get what i'm sayin

[Anonymous No.15410942]

>>15410929
depends on what you mean by enough radiation protection.
for some people enough will be just sleeping in a shielded house and otherwise no protection at all. you'll survive

[Anonymous No.15410943]

>>15410929
About 100km

[Anonymous No.15410949]

>>15410695
You wouldn't need support columns, just steel cable tethers. The air pressure will hold it up.

[Anonymous No.15410951]

clear says she will do a collab with scott manley once she can speak English #1

[Anonymous No.15410952]

>>15410831
Do retards like you have short term memory loss?
Tesla did it first and faster, but was discontinued just as that will be.
China being a decade behind as usual
https://youtu.be/6_XEv2f_Uhw

[Anonymous No.15410956]

>>15410949
Those are tethers in the image.

[Anonymous No.15410964]

>>15410695
Is it possible to make this so safe/durable that a bomb going off wouldnt cause the entire thing to depressurize?

[Anonymous No.15410965]

>>15410964
Distance is the best armor. Cover a major crater with these things and make them 2km high.

[Anonymous No.15410967]

>>15410965
sounds impractical

[Anonymous No.15410969]

>>15410964
Yeah have two layers. One like half a kilometer above the other.
Also if they're very huge even a large hole will not depressurize fast enough to kill you.
Just need to make sure it is perfectly ripstop.

[Anonymous No.15410972]

>>15410967
The whole point of this design is absurd scale. Small habs can be tunnels or proonted.

[Anonymous No.15410973]

>>15410605
and he was right I think?
6 missions done now, does the capability existing give any benefits to SpaceX other than getting the revenue from those 6 missions?
Musk wanted to stop the programme, Shotwell and I guess other convinced him to continue with it
Musk isn't afraid to just stop something even if it has a lot of engineering and money put into it if it turns out some other path is better, such as dropping carbon fibre for starship and going with steel instead

[Anonymous No.15410977]

>>15410973
Yup Falcon Heavy is cool and stopping it now that it's flying more than once a year would be a mistake cause it's making money but back then it was absolutely the right call.

[Anonymous No.15410988]

>>15410973
FH will probably be worth it for SpaceX in the end, since it has several interesting and/or prestigious payloads coming up, like Psyche, Europa Clipper, the VIPER rover, the first few modules for Gateway (along with resupply missions to it), and the Roman telescope. Some of those are a few years away so it's possible they could have been manifested on Starship launches in an alternate world where FH was cancelled, but that could involve more delays.

[Anonymous No.15411001]

>>15410831
yeah because it doesnt make sense, fast charging is enough

[Anonymous No.15411002]

>>15410775
There is no shame in copying SpaceX if you can do it. Trying and not being able would be embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.15411004]

God you guys, anyone here wanna DP Jessica Kirsh with me? Holy fuck what a cockslut

[Anonymous No.15411009]

>>15411004
Put the strapon down, Jessie.

[Anonymous No.15411014]

>>15411009
Jessie would make a good dominatrix

[Anonymous No.15411017]

>>15410395
Retail wagie on minimum wage here

[Anonymous No.15411018]

>>15410393
But it is technically made of stars, anon. Get it together.

[Anonymous No.15411032]

>>15410836
>Mars, asteroids

[Anonymous No.15411043]

>>15410393
Starliner is even more embarrassing
only Dream Chaser is aptly named

[Anonymous No.15411051]

>>15410965
>>15410969
How many missions would it take to transport all that from Earth?

[Anonymous No.15411055]

>dude nuclear thermal has double the delta-v lmao
Reminder Eager ripped this argument to shreds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHx-UgDMTlI

[Anonymous No.15411064]

>>15411055
Is there a single regime where it makes sense? Also isnt the reason they suck due to companies not allowed to use highly enriched uranium?

[Anonymous No.15411069]

>>15411064
The nuclear thermal engine in that comparison uses 93% enriched uranium

[Anonymous No.15411072]

>>15411069
Ah piss...what do we do now?

[Anonymous No.15411077]

>>15411072
Solar thermal.

[Anonymous No.15411079]

>>15411055
tl;dw, what did he base the engine t/w ratio on?

[Anonymous No.15411080]

>>15411072
100% enriched.

[Anonymous No.15411082]

>>15411077
isnt that low thrust? How the fuck can we get high thrust high isp low dry+wet mass? do we really gotta wait for fusion?

[Anonymous No.15411084]

>>15411080
>>15411072
More serious answer, figure out how to build lighter nuclear engines. I can't be arsed to watch the video at this hour but I wholly expect to find out he went with NERVA specs, and getting much better thrust to weight ratios compared to that baseline is trivial.

[Anonymous No.15411085]

>>15411082
NSWR

[Anonymous No.15411090]

>>15411072
Nuclear thermal is just a very middling type of propulsion until you get up to very advanced designs that are pulsed, like nuclear lightbulbs and open-cycle gas core are way beyond solid core but they still have less Isp than some ion thrusters. Granted they have much more thrust but it's not that much of a boon when it comes to interplanetary transit where you can throost for months at a time and everything within cislunar space can be done by chemical so you really have to dig to find any rational use case for them.
>>15411079
It's from the SNRE which was going to be used as an upper stage on the Space Shuttle and unmanned rockets. It's only 3,250 kg and you can imagine that if they miraculously made it much lighter NTP would still suck

[Anonymous No.15411093]

>>15411085
you cant be...are you MAD?

[Anonymous No.15411095]

>>15411090
>Nuclear thermal is just a very middling type of propulsion until you get up to very advanced designs that are pulsed, like nuclear lightbulbs and open-cycle gas core are way beyond solid core but they still have less Isp than some ion thrusters. Granted they have much more thrust but it's not that much of a boon when it comes to interplanetary transit where you can throost for months at a time and everything within cislunar space can be done by chemical so you really have to dig to find any rational use case for them.

The thrust levels out of ion engines are so terrible that the benefits of ion engines for efficiency are wasted and nullified for lost time in anything that doesn't go to the outer solar system.

[Anonymous No.15411096]

>>15411095
works fine for starlink

[Anonymous No.15411102]

>>15411096
Starlink's delta-V requirements are more or less driven entirely by raising and lowering its orbit. The shifting of satellites into other spots is just taking advantage of the rotation of the Earth versus altitude.

[Anonymous No.15411104]

>>15411102
Adding to this, the actual size and required impulse of those burns is really low.

[Anonymous No.15411107]

>>15411095
Not really, with high enough alpha you can have transits much faster than chemical or nuclear thermal to any other planet. It would be difficult to achieve with nuclear but quite plausible with advanced solar utilizing ROSA or power sails. Of course if we are strictly speaking nuclear than non-hybrid nuclear electric mogs the fuck out out nuclear thermal for anywhere that is not Mars or Venus. Nuclear thermal would especially struggle on a mission to low Mercury orbit.

[Anonymous No.15411118]

>>15411055
the empty mass of centaur upper stage
M_centaur_without_engines = M_cwe = 1946kg
M_payload = 8000kg

M_empty = M_cwe + M_engine + M_payload
I'm assuming
M_total = M_empty + M_propellant

if you assume M_engine = 0 (not sure what was assumed in the video or pic related) and use the same propellant mass, ISP, you get ln(M_total/M_empty) = 0.34
and a dV = 3044
not great

too lazy to do the calculation for pic in >>15411055, but what would the comparison be really? a bit lighter upper stage in total weight than a conventional centaur, but much larger volume

Is the problem really the weight of the engines?

[Anonymous No.15411119]

>>15411118
wrong pic, this shows the dV too

[Anonymous No.15411125]

>>15410836
Apollo CSM: can return >100kg moonrocks from LLO
Orion: uhhh
>“We haven’t conceded that it’s zero back on Orion yet, we just don’t know what the capability will be,” he said. However, he also said there may be the need to study alternative mechanisms for getting samples back, such as a robotic sample return vehicle delivered to the moon on a CLPS lander.
>The threshold amount of 26 kilograms of samples is only slightly more than the 22 kilograms returned by Apollo 11 during a single two-hour moonwalk. Apollo 17 returned about 110 kilograms collected during three lunar excursions.
https://spacenews.com/artemis-missions-face-sample-return-crunch/

[Anonymous No.15411126]

>>15411119
So go slap in 20,000 kilograms of LH2 + tankage instead, then. You can naively calculate a propellant vs tankage mass fraction of like 80/20 so figure an engine mass + 4000 kilograms of structures and 16,000 kilograms of LH2. If you're not volume limited it's a far from ambitious design.

[Anonymous No.15411131]

>>15411118
I'm half awake but my math has >>15411055 without the nuclear engine as gaining ~1,200 m/s of dV which isn't that good. We can't sugar coat this

[Anonymous No.15411140]

>>1541112

[Anonymous No.15411153]

>>15411090
>so you really have to dig to find any rational use case for them.
NTP is the only feasible interplanetary propulsion for manned missions as of now.
Not only because of the much better dV, but because of their greater reliability when it comes to re-ignitions (with pardon of the nasty and cancerous hypergolic propellants).

[Anonymous No.15411158]

>>15411153
>much better dV
>greater reliability
lmaooo
not that much better dV, and reliability has yet to be proven
you also have negatives like working with nuclear stuff which will slow everything down and make it more costly due to regulations (whether they should be like they are now is irrelevant if you want to start developing a system *now*)
and the crew has to ride next to the nuclear engine which is an extra risk
NTP is shit

[Anonymous No.15411160]

>>15411084
He did the case for NTP a favor by choosing that engine, the DoE design requirement for a modern nuclear thermal engine is 55 kN of thrust and a 2,500 kg target mass of just the reactor, with an upper threshold mass of 3,500 kg. The RL-10 is twice the thrust and 131 kg.
>>15411153
I can't tell if this is bait, nuclear engines have been notoriously unreliable in testing and have never been demonstrated in space, you're crazy if you think they would produce a safer transit than a methalox engine like Raptor which is undergoing extensive testing for lunar missions

[Anonymous No.15411161]

>india still hasnt unfucked itself
cmon india, south korea is passing you up now

[Anonymous No.15411166]

>>15411153
You should email SpaceX and tell them the engines for their mars rocket aren't going to be feasible for getting there

[Anonymous No.15411168]

>>15411153
Also Starship can aerocapture into a Mars orbit without firing its engines, the other designs can't and would use a separate chemical lander which would be subject to your claims on poor reliability

[Anonymous No.15411178]

was watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJTAaNkHv0M
(probably posted here or the previous thread) and it occured to me, is hullo salty about starship somewhat due to not getting selected for dearMoon?
EverydayAstronaut was, but he wasn't
EverydayAstronaut has also done numerous starbase tours with Elon personally and was even the co-host on the twitter spaces
Everyday Astronaut did the first tour at starbase in summer 2021 and the second in spring 2022
the dearMoon crew was announced in december 2022

its good to have people making content for other stuff even if its oldspace, perhaps hullo going to a tour in a ULA factory instead of watching Starship launch gets him some better access to oldspace, idk

[Anonymous No.15411188]

https://spacenews.com/the-next-space-race-starts-at-our-spaceports/

> In a recent article, “Cape Congestion: World’s busiest spaceport stretched to its limits” (Jeff Foust, March 24), SpaceNews wrote about various factors impacting Cape Canaveral and U.S. spaceports in general. There is no doubt that the commercial launch has experienced phenomenal growth over the last decade. The number of orbital-capable launch firms has leaped from a couple to more than a dozen, and the cadence of U.S. orbital launches has moved from monthly to weekly, with this trend accelerating upward on a non-linear curve. That is good news for satellite operators, the broader commercial space industry, and the U.S. government. NASA, NRO, and Space Force can do more for less in a highly competitive market. However, as multiple new rockets move towards testing and some to operations, America’s limited number of coastal spaceports have become the choke point. We must increase the productivity of our existing launch sites in a non-linear fashion to keep up.
https://spacenews.com/cape-congestion-worlds-busiest-spaceport-stretched-to-its-limits/

> • Federally backed commercial spaceports require a financial model that enables bond issuances for installation modernization and the ability to self-sustain based on service fees. The establishment of a federal corporation is a means to do this.

> • Setting basic standards for launch commodity delivery, handling, and launcher interfaces will introduce spaceport operations efficiencies. For this, consider the establishment of a Launch Complex “X” (LC-X) for industry and government to share in standards development. Cape Canaveral may be an ideal location for LC-X.

Cape Canaveral about to become a completely commercial launch location? With something equivalent to standardized shipping containers for delivering shit to space

[Anonymous No.15411198]

>>15411178
Estronaut's full time job is to attend launches/make SpaceX content so obviously the physical proximity will grant him more access and connections. Manley is just some apple employee who lives in the bay area and makes youtube videos as a hobby. Also it doesn't seem like he even likes Elon as a person whereas EDA is a diehard fanboy and replyguy. I remember EDA saying a while back that he never wants to go to space so maybe Elon or someone at SpaceX mentioned the opportunity for dearmoon which is why he changed his mind.

[Anonymous No.15411201]

>>15411178
lol hullo was at astras spacetech day

[Anonymous No.15411205]

>>15410437
At least BO has the ambition to do things better than they used to be

[Anonymous No.15411207]

[Anonymous No.15411212]

>>15411178
He said he failed to apply in time. Why would he be salty about that.
ThinkerCon wasn't just an ULA themed event even if they visited ULA. A lot of big science / education youtubers were there. There never is a guarantee of a rocket launch especially of an experimental one.
Salty about Estronaut access? You'd have to ask him, I doubt he wants to take on an unaffiliated PR role for SpaceX, which is closer to what Tim is.

[Anonymous No.15411213]

>Gases that were far better infrared absorbers than everyday CFCs had been discovered, and theory suggested that even better supergreenhouse gases might be possible. (Unsurprisingly, not much research goes into making better greenhouse gases. But a handful of theorists find such ideas interesting.) Better still, these new gases were much less susceptible to UV, and might last in the Martian atmosphere for thousands of years. It was possible that a remarkably effective supergreenhouse could be maintained through the production of just a few hundred thousand tons of supergreenhouse gas every year. There would be no need for the mass production of solar sails at asteroid factories; a dozen chemical plants and a few large mines would do fine. If Mars has fluorine resources comparable to the Earth’s, it would be possible to keep this up for thousands of years; geochemists suspect Mars may in fact be significantly richer in fluorine than the Earth is.

[Anonymous No.15411215]

>>15410437
At least BO has the ambition to do things better than they used to be done and use new technology

[Anonymous No.15411216]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInP4k499bo

[Anonymous No.15411217]

>>15411178
hullo recently got to tour the testing area blorgin and ULA are renting, where the vulcan centaur upper stage test tank shidded and farted itself to death

[Anonymous No.15411225]

>>15411213
>Source
>I asked GPT to make up a story about supergreenhouse gasses

[Anonymous No.15411235]

>>15411225
Source is Mapping Mars by Oliver Morton

[Anonymous No.15411238]

>>15411212
What an unflattering picture honestly, reminds me of that unfortunate picture I got for the magazine I was put in. Guh, thank god its wiped from the internet

[Anonymous No.15411240]

>>15411216
its as simple as filling it with gravel, I knew it
fuck doomers

[Anonymous No.15411241]

>>15411213
It does have some research around it but I agree it can be quite useful, I am afraid that it's just purely speculation or hope coping without ever being really feasible on a grand scale.
You know, I saw that they were doing cloud seeding with silver iodine in the US to try to force more rain, I'd like to say that Silver Iodine is a toxic compound. And while mars doesn't exactly have anything to posion, I'd be afraid of the attempt to create an atmosphere ends up creating one that is deadly to humans. Although maybe the goal never was to create a breathable atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15411243]

>>15411240
Good coal of them to fill it properly with gravel rather than just putting sand back in

[Anonymous No.15411251]

Wow; /sfg/ was a popular thread on the 4Chan front page.

[Anonymous No.15411253]

>>15411235
Literal pop science book
You know they can just write anything they want
It doesn't have to be correct

[Anonymous No.15411254]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXtnh1fWPLY

[Anonymous No.15411260]

>>15411253
this image isn't as funny as some of the older /sfg/ overused memes
I miss the adam sandler "what if you had a GUN" poster; will FAA delaying starship over FTS issues will bring him back?

[Anonymous No.15411281]

>>>/wsg/5074198

[Anonymous No.15411289]

Analysis of Starship Failure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_BJG-lZxTE

[Anonymous No.15411321]

[Anonymous No.15411324]

>>15410886
>>15410914
Jesus Christ lmao
Do you... do you even realize you are being more comical than what the onion could possibly hope to be? Oh yeah, there was a big stabbing. And a secod one only years ago. This is totally comparable to a stream of monthly if not weekly mass shootings over a decade! What causes a total brain shutdown like this in individuals of otherwise average intellect?

Take a moment to consider that you had to seriously compare US to a third world cunt like Brazil in the first place, and US ends up being much worse in the comparison. Outlook not good.

>>15410906
>retarded
Peak irony. No doubt you are incapable of following a replychain or forming a cogent thought, but you might have other talents so I'll spoonfeed you a bit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27No_Way_to_Prevent_This,%27_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens?useskin=vector

[Anonymous No.15411328]

>>15411324
talk about spaceflight or leave, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15411338]

Reminder:
>Interstellar travel is impossible
>Planetary terraformation is impossible
>Space habitats of any type are impossible
>Humans cannot survive in the cosmic void
>Any type of gene editing that'll help them do so is impossible
>Biological immortality is impossible
>Advanced nanotech is impossible
>Strong A.I. is impossible
>Fusion/antimatter reactors are impossible
>Mind ''uploading'' is impossible
>Physical, traversable wormholes are science fiction
>Alien life is a pipe dream
>You WILL die on this rock.

[Anonymous No.15411344]

>>15411338
>trust me bro

[Anonymous No.15411345]

>>15411324
fuck off already jesus

[Anonymous No.15411346]

>>15411338
You can still settle mars with all that being true. Doesn't really matter since all of that is scifi speculation anyway.

[Anonymous No.15411350]

>>15411344
>B-BUT MUH HOPES AND DREAMS
kek reddit-tier juveline sci-fi cope

[Anonymous No.15411354]

>>15411324
Why don't we just ban mass shootings?

[Anonymous No.15411355]

>>15411338
>

[Anonymous No.15411360]

>>15411328
>>15411345
Not an argument.
Furthermore, you're not even being good lolcows anymore.
Terrible posts.

You have every reason to be upset but you need to direct that butthurt into something useful instead of shooting the messenger.
Man, imagine if Elon Musk got killed in a spree shooting. That would change the tone around here real quick lol

>>15411354
Funny how well that works in literally every other country of the world.

[Anonymous No.15411364]

>>15411360
I do not care if some people get killed, The government should not be the only ones with guns.

[Anonymous No.15411370]

>>15411360
Go be a nigger somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.15411378]

>>15411360
its not an argument, talking about mass shootings is just completely off topic
just fuck off or talk about spaceflight

[Anonymous No.15411379]

>>15411360
I'll agree with you if the state is also prohibited from having guns.

[Anonymous No.15411390]

>>15411360
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15411395]

>>15411350
ok

[Anonymous No.15411396]

>>15411215
>BO
>Ambition
Those ambitions are long gone. They're an oldspace engine supplier now.

[Anonymous No.15411402]

>>15411215
Such as?

[Anonymous No.15411406]

>>15411216
>>15411240
It really is that easy.
Thundercucks BTFOd once again, will they ever get tired?

[Anonymous No.15411409]

>>15411346
>dat tiny sun
What an abomination. Venus better

[Anonymous No.15411412]

>>15411364
>>15411379
Wait, what the hell? Who said anything about banning private firearms ownership? lol you are rapidly going down the paranoid schizo rabbithole

This is genuinely fascinating. /sci/ isn't among the dumbest 4chan boards nor personally attached to the issue like /k/, yet some people completely lose any drop of rationality around a topic like this. How? Why?

[Anonymous No.15411413]

>>15411409
At least you can actually see the sun on mars.

[Anonymous No.15411414]

>>15411346
Blue sunset is so unwholesome

[Anonymous No.15411422]

>>15411409
Imagine having such a tiny sun that a moonlet like Phobos can mog it. Ghastly.

[Anonymous No.15411426]

>>15411409
>>15411414
idk I like it. Tiny blue sun is cool.

[Anonymous No.15411431]

https://spacenews.com/court-approves-plans-for-virgin-orbit-bankruptcy-sale/

> “We continue to make important progress and remain focused on positioning the company to complete our sale process to the benefit of all stakeholders,” Dan Hart, chief executive of Virgin Orbit, said in a statement last month. “We remain committed to working with our investors and creditors throughout this process to achieve an optimal outcome for everyone.”

> For some, like Hart, that optimal outcome would be a sale of the entire company to a new owner who would continue operations. Virgin Orbit, with a minimal staff of about 100 employees after the company laid off most of its workforce in late March, is continuing preparations for a LauncherOne return to flight later this year. The company said April 19 that it had completed the investigation into the failed LauncherOne mission in January, confirming that a dislodged fuel filter caused the rocket’s upper stage to shut down prematurely.

still not clear if virgin orbit is actually going to get dissolved and stop existing as a company (assets sold separately to different bidders) or bought wholesale by some bidder and then continue working under new ownership

[Anonymous No.15411434]

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1653105159483056128

> A look at the last 6 months' 40 Falcon launches:

[Anonymous No.15411444]

>>15411434
Starlink is now paying for itself so the whole operation should be very profitable at this point, wish I could see some numbers on How much is left over after RND and re-investments, how much is spent on those as well

[Anonymous No.15411452]

>>15411444
>Starlink is now paying for itself
[Citation needed]

How big is its userbase already?
Last I checked even the end-user terminals are sold at a huge loss, nevermind expanding the satellite constellation.

[Anonymous No.15411463]

>>15411452
I think they passed 1 million a while back, the current costs of user terminals are unknown, could be at-cost right now
but yeah I doubt its profitable yet if you take amortization of the constellation and development into account

[Anonymous No.15411466]

>>15411346
>>15411409
Can you stare directly at the Sun on Mars?

[Anonymous No.15411468]

>UAE astronaut on the iss conducted a spacewalk
its just embarrassing for other countries at this point that tiny countries are making huge gains in spaceflight while big ones like india and russia are falling further behind

[Anonymous No.15411477]

>>15411468
How does one guy buying a seat to the ISS entail "huge gains in spaceflight"?

[Anonymous No.15411478]

if falcon 9 can send a dragon into space then can falcon heavy send 3 dragons?

[Anonymous No.15411484]

>>15410618
Expendable articles

[Anonymous No.15411488]

>>15411477
At least they're willing to stump up the cash for astronauts, it means that they will almost certainly do the same when Starship is working

[Anonymous No.15411491]

>>15411478
Dragon XL

[Anonymous No.15411493]

>>15411414
Urf mentality

[Anonymous No.15411506]

>>15411466
It would be extremely bright

[Anonymous No.15411507]

https://www.space.com/2587-tourism-update-jeff-bezos-spaceship-plans-revealed.html

[Anonymous No.15411513]

>>15411466
Nah you gotta go to neptune for that

[Anonymous No.15411516]

>>15411507
And here we are 17 years later with no progress beyond this

[Anonymous No.15411517]

>>15411507
>2006: The majority of facility construction
>2007-2009: Continued flight testing of prototype vehicles
>2010 and beyond: Commercial operations
And people mock Elon Time

[Anonymous No.15411526]

I just aced my fucking physics exam after studying on 3 hours of sleep IGMI bros. ME aerospace focus is tough, hopefully I can work at SX one day. How’s /sfg/‘s morning btw? Any Starship news?

[Anonymous No.15411537]

>>15410390
People are use to oldspace, oldspace doesn't launch unless they think it'll be a success. The only other major rocketry program to launch just to collect flight data with no expectation of success was the USSRs program.
When the USSR launched the N1 they fully expected it to fail, they just wanted to see how and why so they could make design changes and remove that failure mode, SpaceX does the same.

[Anonymous No.15411539]

>>15411452
>Last I checked even the end-user terminals are sold at a huge loss
It's called a loss leader and is common in many industries, if your ISPs have ever provided a free modem you have recieved a loss leader.

[Anonymous No.15411541]

>>15411537
The major difference is that the N1 was an expensive rocket that didn’t need to have money wasted on it when they could focus on other things since it wasn’t a money maker. Starship is a cheap rocket that is a money maker and SpaceX doesn’t have to focus anywhere else since Falcon is basically perfected at this point. One had no financial incentive, one has extremely high financial incentive. It’s clear that they are different.

[Anonymous No.15411545]

>>15411537
>fully expected it to fail, they just wanted to see how and why so they could make design changes and remove that failure mode, SpaceX does the same.
That's not quite true. SpaceX goes through design changes without flying anything. They don't merely fix problems reactively based on failures and flight data, they iterate and improve constantly. Super heavy booster 9 already had improved engine isolation before anyone knew if booster 7 would have engine reliability issues during its flight test.

[Anonymous No.15411546]

>>15411537
Wrong!

[Anonymous No.15411556]

>>15411526
well some enviromental groups are suing the US to stop Starship from launching, you might have seen this yesterday though

Berger article
https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/environmental-groups-sue-the-faa-over-spacex-launch-from-texas/

Foust article
https://spacenews.com/environmental-groups-sue-faa-over-starship-launch-license/

[Anonymous No.15411561]

>>15411556

[Anonymous No.15411573]

>>15411545
>That's not quite true. SpaceX goes through design changes without flying anything.
So did the Soviets, the point I'm trying to make is NASA & contractors post 1980s don't launch anything they don't think will be successful. ULA isn't about the yeet a SLS based on a 30% chance of success, not even ESA does that anymore.
I know it's primarily due to (relatively) low manufacture cost but they still lost ~$39m in engines alone based on Musks lowest estimate on engine cost, that's still less than a single RS-25 so cheap for a HLV.

>>15411546
Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.15411577]

https://twitter.com/BBCAmos/status/1653350662908903424

[Anonymous No.15411585]

>>15411577
that's a lot of cooks working on one pot

[Anonymous No.15411587]

>>15411556
I don't understand what case they think they have, anyone that wanted to could comment (which thanks to people like what about it german guy asking people to leave a comment telling FAA how great SpaceX made the process that much more time consuming) means they want to sue over something they believe was not taken into account in the rapport, I don't believe there is such a thing, FAA spent a long time on that report

[Anonymous No.15411592]

>>15411556
>>15411587
Isn't the FAA also the wrong body? Since when does the FAA do enviromental impact, they have always been safety AFAIK.

[Anonymous No.15411606]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfptugkdH0c

[Anonymous No.15411627]

>>15411606
>Excavation begins
I thought OFT began that.

[Anonymous No.15411638]

>>15411478
I don't think the other 2 dragons would get very far.

[Anonymous No.15411642]

>>15411478
Falcon Heavy could send Orion+ICPS into LEO. Jim Bridenstine proposed this and Shelby threatened to defund NASA's enture manned spaceflight program if orange rocket was not used for Orion.

[Anonymous No.15411644]

>>15411638
Consider stacking them on top of the second stage instead
Makes for fun abort modes

[Anonymous No.15411651]

>>15411638
Further than New Shepard, I suspect.

[Anonymous No.15411658]

>>15411537
>N1 they fully expected it to fail
That's why Karolev's successor got the light edition gulag. The USSR loved showing off its failures and looking weak and dumb.

[Anonymous No.15411659]

>>15411644
You wouldn't want to be stuck riding economy marshmallow roast class if you stacked dragons.

[Anonymous No.15411665]

>>15411642
would heavy be required to loft it to leo? orion docking at the iss when?

[Anonymous No.15411678]

>>15411665
It's a pretty hefty chonker with the stage etc.

[Anonymous No.15411679]

>>15411055
>Engine X sucks when you randomly slap it on stage Y

Woah wait a fucking second this is insane.

How much DV are we going to get from a merlin vac slapped to a centaur?

[Anonymous No.15411680]

>>15411665
You could also use a Vulcan for that if Amazon hadn't bought like five years of capacity.

[Anonymous No.15411686]

>>15410791
it is face saving mentality at its worst. Coupled with a insanely corrupt and lawless dictatorship that is a imperial dynasty at its essence. You cant do trial and error because failure is great dishonoru. If you succeed you will be pushed aside to be stuffed with party leeches trying to lay claim on it to advance their personal status position. Which directly associates with the amount of corruption and party power available to you. Or get your idea copied to oblivion without a single cent from IP laws which do not simply exist.

Koreans and nipps have the same defects but to a much lesser degree thanks to a functional state with separation of powers. Thus you see original initiatives also popping out from there that sometimes grab majority market shares

both are smart (even if very cruel) base material. It is just one system is clearly inferior for anyone pushing aside the propaganda facade and peeking under the hood so to speak

[Anonymous No.15411691]

>>15410355
scienceredditors on suicide watch

https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2639

[Anonymous No.15411695]

>>15411691
the NT is 4th-century forgeries bro

[Anonymous No.15411704]

I have an idea, what if we dismantle SLS and funnel all of NASAs money to SpaceX?

[Anonymous No.15411714]

>>15411587
yeah when you think about it, perhaps it was good that they spent so much time on it to make it really stick
pausing for constant lawsuits might be overall slower for development, idk

[Anonymous No.15411715]

lego rogs

[Anonymous No.15411717]

>>15411679
what is the specific problem here? you think a NTR upper stage would be significantly better from dry mass vs propellant perspective? how exactly?
I doubt they made it shitty on purpose, both normal centaur and one where you have NTR engine need liquid hydrogen

[Anonymous No.15411722]

Why did they launch booster that was already outdated?

[Anonymous No.15411727]

>>15411722
Would have been a waste not to, still provided good data

[Anonymous No.15411729]

>>15411722
Because it was already there, and so they wouldn't have to take it apart on the ground. They knew they wouldn't get very far on the first try, might as well send up something that can't do more than lanuch, and save the better designs for later.

[Anonymous No.15411730]

>>15411722
to get rid of it and get some data
just because its outdated doesnt mean its completely different in every respect

[Anonymous No.15411731]

>>15411714
Well, if the lawsuits are thrown out it sets a precedent where suing in the future becomes that much harder, however it's always good to be thorow

[Anonymous No.15411732]

>>15411715
Mmmm bloggs

[Anonymous No.15411733]

>>15411722
If you already built it, the cost of launching isn't that much compared to scrapping it. If you don't shit your launch pad that is.
They also want some real life feedback on some of their engineering even if many parts are already improved upon.

[Anonymous No.15411734]

>>15411722
they expected it to perform better than it did. elon himself said that he would have waited if he expected that much pad damage

[Anonymous No.15411744]

Anons I have solved the anti spaceoid problem.
J*urnalists, tw*tter literal who's, envirofags, astr*nomers, YouTube grifters, all of them. They simply sign a declaration blacklisting themselves from ALL space travel, LEO trips, Moon visits, even blorogin suborbital 2 minute wonders. Their names go on record and are permanently denied the gift of ever leaving this gravity well if they are so convinced that Starship and it's successors wont work

[Anonymous No.15411751]

>>15411722
Big stick goes boom

[Anonymous No.15411753]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1653418134068662272

[Anonymous No.15411754]

>>15411744
yes

[Anonymous No.15411755]

>>15411744
They should also be required to forfeit GPS, weather forecasts, and Internet access.

[Anonymous No.15411756]

>>15411679
>Engine X sucks when you randomly slap it on stage Y
Come on man, do you know how the rocket equation works? Centaur's mass fraction is about as good as you can get for a hydrogen upper stage and as that one person demonstrated a much lighter engine wouldn't seriously increase performance despite how massive it is. Extended cislunar operations or interplanetary would need long term cryogenic cooling and more multi-layer insulation or most of the fuel would quickly boiloff so this reflects a best case scenario in terms of performance at this scale minus a slight gain if he made the extended LH2 only design stubbier.

[Anonymous No.15411758]

Called it weeks ago

OPAG just met and called out the lack of RTGs for outer planets missions. Not that they have the money to do it but they won't have the plutonium either. This might drive nuclear power innovation at NASA.

[Anonymous No.15411760]

>>15411744
This is what mind control looks like. It starts before school, usually with cartoons or kindergarten and it keeps going on forever.

[Anonymous No.15411761]

>>15411758
it's not that easy in RTGetry. See also: NH's underpowered, recycled Cassini spare RTG

[Anonymous No.15411762]

>>15411758
>another fake and gay delay
>called it weeks ago
The NPC has now been conditioned with these fake delays and it already knows what's coming but the mind control is still too strong for it to break free.

Yes it's just minor delay, you will be on Uranus by 2035 for sure moron.

[Anonymous No.15411781]

>>15411758
> This might drive nuclear power innovation at NASA.
Probably not in RTGs, the ASRG has a much higher conversion efficiency than the MMRTG and uses about 1/4th the plutonium-238 but at the end of the day they're dumb hot rocks and they're constrained by physics. They could switch to a difference radioisotope like Americium-241 or Strontium-90 but then it would be much more massive, do little to bring the cost, and it wouldn't be ready in time so there is not much of a point.

This is NASA's own fault for giving into the cries of JPL and allowing them to use an RTG for Perseverance after they repeatedly fucked up the recent solar powered Mars rovers and landers with poor design choices

[Anonymous No.15411783]

>>15411732
jej

[Anonymous No.15411785]

>>15411781
E.g.

[Anonymous No.15411802]

>>15411781
>ASRG has a much higher conversion efficiency
Sorry, I meant it had a higher efficiency, the project was canceled after going over budget and suffering increasing power fluctuations shortly into testing. I don't if this issue is the fault of the Stirling converter but it could be that even if NASA develops a Kilopower like reactor they may not be reliable enough for outer planet missions compared to thermocouples.

[Anonymous No.15411819]

>>15411556
>Center for Biological Diversity
>American Bird Conservancy
>Surfrider Foundation
>Save RGV
>Carrizo/Comecrudo Nation of Texas
Really curious how several of these had a large jump around 2016/2017...wonder what else was happening around that time...

[Anonymous No.15411822]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbYuf23Q0NM&
>Guy says Starship itself can SSTO with new specs

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.15411825]

>>15411822
who

[Anonymous No.15411826]

>>15411822
i predicted this

[Anonymous No.15411829]

>>15411822
This changes everything

[Anonymous No.15411830]

>>15411825
idk but youtube recommended

[Anonymous No.15411831]

>>15411822
We've debated this before. Not possible

[Anonymous No.15411832]

>>15411831
Watch the whole video before jumping to preconceived conclusions

[Anonymous No.15411838]

>>15411832
Fag stop self promoting buy a god damn ad

[Anonymous No.15411841]

>>15411838
It's got 35k views already he doesn't need us to shill him. Chill.

[Anonymous No.15411842]

>>15411832
No

[Anonymous No.15411843]

all grifters get fired out the airlock

[Anonymous No.15411846]

>>15411838
Thats not my channel you retard, are you the same anon that accuses everyone who posts a youtube link here of shilling

[Anonymous No.15411849]

>>15411838
>>15411843
What are you so scared of? starship SSTO kinda ruins your spaceplane dream huh

[Anonymous No.15411850]

>>15411592
They're asking the FAA to kill the 5 year long launch license.

[Anonymous No.15411852]

>>15411849
ssto is a meme. now get in the airlock.

[Anonymous No.15411854]

>>15411852
iirc even Elon himself said stripped down Starship could SSTO

[Anonymous No.15411856]

>>15411852
>it's scared

[Anonymous No.15411857]

>>15411854
Correct. I may or may not watch the video but Musk said it could SSTO with almost no payload years ago. The idea is still retarded but it seems technically possible if they shed some of the mass they don't need since it would be expended. Starship would have 9.8 km/s of dV assuming its dry mass is 70t, a propellant mass of 1,200, and an average Isp of 345 seconds.

[Anonymous No.15411858]

>>15411854
yes but for what purpose other than maybe a space station rescue?

[Anonymous No.15411861]

>>15411858
idk but having and testing out that capability would be cool

[Anonymous No.15411864]

>>15411856
Don't confuse disgust for fear.

[Anonymous No.15411870]

>>15411858
It's a reusable shuttle for people to orbit

[Anonymous No.15411872]

>>15411870
how many people? give me numbers man.

[Anonymous No.15411876]

>>15411872
1 i suppose

[Anonymous No.15411885]

>>15411876
lmao

[Anonymous No.15411901]

>>15411876
But Senator, wouldn't you need at least 2 for it to be a shuttle for "people?"
Elsewise it's just a person.

[Anonymous No.15411934]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp6W8BGW28

[Anonymous No.15411938]

Why should I give a fuck about Uranus? Its moons are shitty icy rocks that have a combined mass less than half of Triton and it gets no sunlight

[Anonymous No.15411939]

>>15411938
>fuck
>Uranus
u gay

[Anonymous No.15411942]

[Anonymous No.15411945]

>>15411934
do they have contractors on retention? they always seem to have kit on site very quickly.

[Anonymous No.15411956]

>>15411857
>>15411858
pretty sure it was it could barely SSTO *without the hardware/propellant/heat shield to land*

[Anonymous No.15411957]

>>15411942
Now that's cool.

[Anonymous No.15411958]

>>15411956
Expendable crew

[Anonymous No.15411962]

>>15411945
They have a bunch of cranes and shit that they keep on lease. They also said that they prepared replacements for everything before launch.

[Anonymous No.15411968]

reusable propellant when?

[Anonymous No.15411970]

>>15411968
*external propellant

[Anonymous No.15411975]

>>15411970
Can't wait for his Nobel lecture

[Anonymous No.15411976]

>>15411831
Add a few cheap sidemount SRB's and...

[Anonymous No.15411979]

>>15411975
>"Dark matter and Minkowsky bent space are both Jewish Physics lies that stagnated the progress of quantum physics for a century. Who is it that benefits from keeping humanity trapped on one world with finite energy reserves to keep all politics and economics zero sum?"
>t. mad mike

[Anonymous No.15411980]

>>15411942
Concave earth bros...

[Anonymous No.15411985]

>>15411968
Liquidate and distill earthers for fuel

[Anonymous No.15411990]

>>15411968
Methane is free, you just have to know where to look

[Anonymous No.15411992]

>>15411990
milking parlours but the suction tubes go elsewhere

[Anonymous No.15412004]

we have genetically modified the bovine to produce only the finest rarefied ch4

[Anonymous No.15412005]

>>15411968
Anything you burn in atmosphere is reusable, just not rapidly. Hydrolox is pretty straightforward.

[Anonymous No.15412006]

>>15411970
I remember in The Martian Way they used a block of ice as its own reaction mass to redirect it back to Mars

[Anonymous No.15412014]

>>15412004
Envisage the aroma

[Anonymous No.15412019]

>>15412014
>Can't see shit
>Tries to throw it off
>Cracks the helmet
>RIP

[Anonymous No.15412039]

>>15412019
so like all currently slaughtered meat

[Anonymous No.15412066]

>>15412039
mars is vegan. beans only

[Anonymous No.15412068]

>>15412066
Mars will have fish, crustaceans, and egg-laying chickens. All three produce protein and shit nitrogen fertilizers.

[Anonymous No.15412069]

doomers BTFOOOOOOOOO
no more hole

[Anonymous No.15412072]

>>15411722
It was a mistake, they know it; they regret it already

[Anonymous No.15412077]

>>15412069
I cant believe its already been a year! Thunderbolt really got one up on us this time, but now that we spent a whole year rebuilding the olm..

[Anonymous No.15412079]

2 weeks bros… what do we do now?

[Anonymous No.15412080]

>>15412068
So u literally eat shit

[Anonymous No.15412081]

>>15412080
How exactly do you think farming works?

[Anonymous No.15412086]

>>15412081
my mom goes to walmart?

[Anonymous No.15412097]

>>15411722
Because they wanted to see how the system would function as designed/predicted. Plus they already had plans to retrofit the OLM with newer water cooled steel pads setup months ago and were waiting it out. Raptors on the B7 were also old, one of the oldest Raptor 2 variants that are 1+ year old.

[Anonymous No.15412104]

>>15412069
wtf that was faster than I expected what how did they fill it already??? with what?

[Anonymous No.15412114]

wtf

[Anonymous No.15412119]

>people on twitter including large accounts spreading FUD and repeating the false claim of 16 launches for HLS

lmao, fucking hell Blorigin propaganda really doing its job 2 years later

[Anonymous No.15412121]

Blue Waffle is hiring for my specialty. Should I take a job at the evil empire and see what it's like on the inside?

[Anonymous No.15412122]

>>15412079
Play nightcall on full blast and drive until the next launch

[Anonymous No.15412123]

>>15412104
with gravel and sand nigga, its not rocket science

[Anonymous No.15412127]

>>15412123
>its not rocket science
it's rock science

[Anonymous No.15412129]

[Anonymous No.15412131]

[Anonymous No.15412130]

>>15412121
yeah, we need a sleeper agent on the inside

[Anonymous No.15412132]

>>15412130
Alright, off I go then.

[Anonymous No.15412133]

>>15412114

[Anonymous No.15412135]

>turned down by ANOTHER space company today
yikes

[Anonymous No.15412138]

spaceguy5 is officially delusional holyfuck

[Anonymous No.15412139]

>>15412133
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liftboat
neat

[Anonymous No.15412141]

>>15412135
Realistically speaking in the far far far future the majority of workers will not be on earth anymore
>>15412138
What he do?

[Anonymous No.15412143]

>>15412132
godspeed anon
Now, I need to ask you for a favour
I'd like to know for sure whether or not "Bob Smith" actually exist
the evidence at hand is inconclusive

[Anonymous No.15412145]

>>15412141
He keeps saying it will be 14 launches minimum for Starship HLS to fully refuel

What a dumbass

Him and that Lavie tranny spreading dumb outdated BO-tier FUD all over space twitter, absolute cunts

[Anonymous No.15412147]

>>15412138
a guy who looks like this? No WAY!

[Anonymous No.15412151]

>>15412145
current guidance from SpaceX and NASA is HLS will need 5 tanker flights to complete the mission

[Anonymous No.15412153]

>>15412145
Ohhh, yeah I am thinking Fudders
>>15412147
I spent mobile data to see this guy's ugly mug, I want a refund

[Anonymous No.15412156]

>>15412104
Gravel. They couldn't have fixed the bent rebar and other damage this quickly, so it's not reinforced to the same spec it used to be. Just cheap paving that can't handle static fire tests.

[Anonymous No.15412177]

>>15412156
it doesn't need to handle static fires because a cooled steel plate will be put on top of it which will simultaneously reinforce the are

[Anonymous No.15412179]

>>15412177
Thanks, Captain Obvious.

[Anonymous No.15412202]

>>15410548
Damn that thing must've pulled like 200gs

[Anonymous No.15412205]

Alright, submitted my application to Blorp. Wish me luck.

[Anonymous No.15412209]

>>15412205
if you get in, you can't say anything due to NDA

[Anonymous No.15412211]

>>15412205
Luck is for superstitious faggots.
Pragmatically speaking, do you have any chance of getting the job with your credentials?

[Anonymous No.15412212]

>>15412211
>Pragmatically speaking, do you have any chance of getting the job with your credentials?
It wouldn't be my first newspace job.

[Anonymous No.15412214]

>>15412205
Good Luck!

[Anonymous No.15412215]

>>15412205
Luck

[Anonymous No.15412218]

>>15412205
Make sure you tell us all their secrets when you get in

[Anonymous No.15412219]

anon is going to see empty hangars

[Anonymous No.15412220]

>>15412069

[Anonymous No.15412223]

>>15412177
it wont work

[Anonymous No.15412225]

>>15412219
Probably.

[Anonymous No.15412226]

Doomerbros, its over...

[Anonymous No.15412227]

>>15412223
you get the airlock

[Anonymous No.15412232]

>>15412104
Unbelievers

[Anonymous No.15412233]

>>15412227
you get molten steel shards all over your launch pad

[Anonymous No.15412234]

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1653478931402506254

I didn't bother to listen to the Thunderfoot video very closely or watch the CSS analysis video at all but did they say anything about repairing the pad?

[Anonymous No.15412237]

>>15412233
thats not how hot steel works

[Anonymous No.15412242]

Popular Flame Diverter Strategies

>pockocmoc
Dig a hole
>nasa
Overengineered water spray contraptions n shiiet
>spacex
Blast the launchpad with 70 million angry newtons

[Anonymous No.15412244]

>>15412234
Thunderbolt said the repair to the site would take at least six months, but he never said the pad specifically so if you call him out he will laugh and move a goalpost again

[Anonymous No.15412246]

>>15412244
well I guess its too early to tell, some of the tanks at the tank farm will need to be repaired or replaced still

[Anonymous No.15412247]

>>15412226
>refurbish-able launchpads
We are getting there, reusable launchpads in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.15412251]

>>15412237
You don't know the 1st thing about steel.

[Anonymous No.15412252]

>>15412234
I think CSS said a year but not sure if he was referring to the foundation specifically, pretty funny though

[Anonymous No.15412255]

>>15412069
We're back

[Anonymous No.15412257]

>>15412251
you are a metallurgist then?

[Anonymous No.15412258]

>>15412234
Are the OLM foundations stable? Looked like they were undermined a bit.

[Anonymous No.15412259]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ocld3nbK0ss

> “I craved for strength and certainty of steel”

[Anonymous No.15412260]

Just do a continuous static fire until the hole is big enough it stops doing damage.

[Anonymous No.15412261]

>>15412259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gIMZ0WyY88

[Anonymous No.15412263]

>>15412255
Thor old buddy we're coming.

[Anonymous No.15412278]

>>15412257
yeah

[Anonymous No.15412279]

>>15412278
Oh yeah? Name three metals.

[Anonymous No.15412282]

>>15412279
heavy, death, prog

[Anonymous No.15412285]

>>15412282
>prog
not real metal get the fuck off my lawn poser

[Anonymous No.15412287]

It's over bros we are so back

[Anonymous No.15412291]

>>15412209
>the virgin NDA respecter
>the chad anonymous discloser

[Anonymous No.15412293]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzZCFj8kH7w

wtf

[Anonymous No.15412294]

EARTHERS (derogatory)

[Anonymous No.15412295]

Zack Golden follows the biggest anti-SpaceX shill on Twitter lol.
Why are “space fans” the biggest SpaceX doomers?

[Anonymous No.15412302]

>>15412279
all elements other than hydrogen and helium

[Anonymous No.15412305]

>>15412295
as the progeny of Cain, he bears the Mark

[Anonymous No.15412307]

>>15412279
Carbon, Boron, Chlorine

[Anonymous No.15412308]

>>15412295
Isn't that Thundercock?

[Anonymous No.15412309]

https://twitter.com/granawkins/status/1653223967631769600

[Anonymous No.15412311]

>>15412295
Follows aren't always endorsements

[Anonymous No.15412315]

>>15412309
Stanford Toruses led me to getting into mass effect which led me to finding middle eastern women pretty which led me to converting to islam

[Anonymous No.15412318]

>>15412295
>Why are “space fans” the biggest SpaceX doomers?
SpaceX's success proves that their sõyjaking "team space" "space is hard" garbage is due to government incompetence or malice rather than any fundamental challenges with engineering. They need SpaceX to fail to justify their own priors.

[Anonymous No.15412322]

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1653509582046769156

cumming (plasma trails)

[Anonymous No.15412332]

>>15412309
25 years? Holy moly, that's a long time to build a habitat to only house 10 000 people

[Anonymous No.15412333]

>still no launch pics on flickr
>no imax video
>no nothing

[Anonymous No.15412335]

>>15412322
Can the fairings really survive reentry at half of orbital velocity? Holy shit

[Anonymous No.15412338]

>>15412322
>fastest we've ever attempted
Yeah, RIP.

[Anonymous No.15412341]

>CSI Sneedbase really thought it would be earliest end of year
The rebar is already in dumb fucks.

[Anonymous No.15412343]

>>15412341
his level of cynicism is just below FUD tier

[Anonymous No.15412348]

>>15412341
I have seen amateurs pour concrete and rebar from scratch in bumfuck middle of nowhere with shovels and a single concrete carrier truck, and the whole foundation was completed in three days with nothing but volunteers. I don't get why people thought the foundation was ever going to be an issue, the olm stand itself sure

[Anonymous No.15412350]

>>15412348
People are used to from-scratch construction where every time a concrete pourer scratches his balls the regulatory fairy adds another week of delays.

[Anonymous No.15412351]

>>15412341
>straightened out

Hardly, looks like fucking shit and the steel will be all fucked up strength wise. But will probably enough with the big dick steel plate shit above it.

[Anonymous No.15412353]

>>15412341
It could take years for the concrete to solidify

[Anonymous No.15412358]

>>15412350
I guess I have just been lucky, I only ever had a job at one construction site and it was as a technician at the smartest building ever designed in my country, they were doing foundation work at the next door garage at a really rapid rate, but that construction company had a really good rep and it was pleasant working with them

[Anonymous No.15412359]

>>15412348
It's not the pour and place time, it's the cure time. The more volume you have the longer it takes to cure, that was half the issue with the OLM build time was them waiting weeks and weeks for their fuckhuge deep foundations to cure.

[Anonymous No.15412362]

https://www.astrobotic.com/astrobotic-purchases-falcon-heavy-launch-services/

WTF I missed this

Falcon Heavy to the moon!

[Anonymous No.15412364]

>>15412359
Oh? Tbh I completely missed the time until foundation was finished last time

[Anonymous No.15412382]

Zubrin is writing s new book right now called
New World: What will we create on Mars?

[Anonymous No.15412390]

>>15412382
cave habitats
nothing on the surface

[Anonymous No.15412391]

CSI Starbase redeems himself

[Anonymous No.15412392]

>>15412322
Imagine riding that like a surfer during reentry

[Anonymous No.15412397]

>>15412390
muskrat is as muskrat does

[Anonymous No.15412399]

>>15412391
backpedal......oof

[Anonymous No.15412405]

the new book will be out in 2024

[Anonymous No.15412408]

>>15412322
Why do they throw them off?

[Anonymous No.15412419]

>>15412234
Berger on a fucking war path

[Anonymous No.15412438]

>>15412351
>But will probably enough with the big dick steel plate shit above it.
This. The watercooled steel is the only thing that actually matters.

[Anonymous No.15412439]

>>15412390
Sounds excessive and most of Mars doesn't have caves. You'll end up building around resources, not holes.

[Anonymous No.15412457]

>>15412014
Scientifically speaking, how would a spacefaring alien species with horns wear a space suit helmet? What would it look like?

[Anonymous No.15412460]

>>15412457
Horny is prohibited.

[Anonymous No.15412462]

berger is spacex drunk today

[Anonymous No.15412465]

>>15412419
Falcon 9’s lowest aspect here is “good” due to being nerfed from things like kerolox upper stage, added mass of landing legs, etc. But, despite this, it’s still better than most anyways lmao

[Anonymous No.15412469]

>>15412439
Mars had a lot of running water at one point. It'd be weird if there weren't any cave features.

You're right about the resources though. It'd be a lot easier just to dig a cave near something useful than try to commute to the nearest useful thing to your cave.

[Anonymous No.15412511]

>>15412457
They'd get them cut off, it would be the signature look of an astronaut in the way a buzzcut is for us

[Anonymous No.15412513]

>>15412457
They'd just cut them enough to fit

[Anonymous No.15412525]

I will never stop bashing doomers, you all are disgusting for blackpilling AGAINST SpaceX. You can sit in this disgusting well, watercooledsteelplate chads will be on Mars

[Anonymous No.15412531]

>>15412457
gaskets

[Anonymous No.15412535]

>>15412525
>crater is filled
>crater is occupied by a loader crane

which is it wtf

[Anonymous No.15412537]

>>15412382
>we
ok z*brin

[Anonymous No.15412541]

>>15412525
Still think my idea of having doomposters and grifters sign an orbital blacklist in exchange for allowing them to continue to complain is the best. Because in the end it won't even matter, and then they will just be stuck here forever like the crabs they are

[Anonymous No.15412556]

[Anonymous No.15412559]

>>15411976
Then that's 1.5 stages

[Anonymous No.15412561]

>>15412525
YWNGTS

[Anonymous No.15412569]

>>15412561
I have a fat stack from crypto, essential trade experience and dive instructor cert so it's looking pretty good for me, sorry you will be stuck on urf with crabs and niggers

[Anonymous No.15412579]

>>15412561
ME aerospace focus, me will get to Mars as technician

[Anonymous No.15412581]

>>15412569
>he has nothing but money
You could’ve just said you’re paying for your ticket

[Anonymous No.15412592]

>>15412561
It's true bros, I probably will not go to space. I hope one day an /sfg/ anon will go.

[Anonymous No.15412604]

https://spacenews.com/lawmakers-raise-concerns-about-new-plan-to-procure-national-security-launch-services/
>Lawmakers raise concerns about new plan to procure national security launch services
>Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.)
>Wash.
like clockwork

[Anonymous No.15412609]

>>15412604
also somewhat ironic that a rep named Adam Smith is a D but I digress

[Anonymous No.15412610]

>>15412604
Bozos feelin the heat again? Maybe launch something, ANYTHING, to orbit?

[Anonymous No.15412625]

>>15412604
Nah, this makes sense, and BO would naturally be disqualified from it since none of their rockets are Medium lift by definition. New Glenn is supposed to fucking compete with FH. I would actually sort of welcome this approach, presuming it actually leads to the creation of a healthy third competitor to at least tacitly keep SpaceX in check since ULA can't, and BO seems like it is one bad day from folding if Bezos chose to stop caring about the market. For instance, if we enter into an economic downturn I would wholly expect to see BO either be acquired by ULA just to produce engines for Vulkan, and the rest of the business dissolve. In theory, only ULA and SpaceX would survive irrespective of a poor economy, and that wouldn't be great.

[Anonymous No.15412628]

>>15412581
How many astronauts are there anon? Everyone is paying for a ticket and tradechads will be at the top of list since we know how to actually build shit.

[Anonymous No.15412629]

How is /sfg/ doing rn?

[Anonymous No.15412633]

>>15412628
Sir, I plan to build things and know how they work. Tradies also wont be able to fix everything on the colony, wide necessity for skills.

[Anonymous No.15412638]

>>15412629
Breadman here. Think I'm finally constipated. Should I drink some olive oil?

[Anonymous No.15412640]

>>15412638
Yeah dip your bread in an olive oil, balsamic vinegar, and black pepper mix next time

[Anonymous No.15412641]

>>15412638
No, eat a whole bottle of laxatives and give your toilet the fucking works

[Anonymous No.15412645]

>>15412633
>Sir, I plan to build things and know how they work

You are useless, being obsoleted by AI as we speak and what remains of your job can be done remotely from earth.

>Tradies also wont be able to fix everything on the colony

Wrong

[Anonymous No.15412650]

>>15412629
Not well. My hairline is receding.

[Anonymous No.15412665]

>>15412650
If the skin around your hairline feels tight/stiff then massage it every day, helps to keep receding hair at bay for a while without taking weird hormone pills

[Anonymous No.15412666]

>>15412641
But isnt olive oil a laxative?

[Anonymous No.15412674]

>>15412665
>hairline feels tight/stiff
It doesn't.
I think it's just the end of the line for me.

[Anonymous No.15412676]

>>15412633
>Tradies also wont be able to fix everything on the colony, wide necessity for skills.

Kek, send a plumber, electrician, pipefitter and welder and they will fix fucking anything you care to name especially since every piece of equipment is going to come with detailed repair and fault diagnosis manuals.

[Anonymous No.15412680]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/135zdam/james_fox_makes_it_clear_that_him_and_others_have/
Get fucked doubters

[Anonymous No.15412683]

>>15412439
You will end up making holes, because the alternative is literally cancer.

[Anonymous No.15412686]

>>15412683
Newfag hasn't caught up with plasma magnet tech on top of martian radiation being massively nothingburger to start with. Oh well, you'll learn.

[Anonymous No.15412688]

>>15412638
We went to the fucking moon. I think we can and should do better than just chugging a shot of olive oil.

[Anonymous No.15412691]

>>15412535
They filled it with sand to get the base above ground water level, and now they parked a loader on the sand there to clean up the concrete parts guess.

Next steps are probably a new, deeper concrete foundatation, more rebar and the support parts for the water pipes and teh struts taht will hold the steel plates.

I really wonder if the next launcn will rip the steel plates free, because I just don't see how tehy want to pressureizes the water so that it stops the exhaust from going under teh steel paltes and into the water pipes..

[Anonymous No.15412693]

are we back or is it still over?

[Anonymous No.15412697]

>>15412693
It's over we're back bros

[Anonymous No.15412698]

>>15412686
>lose power to magnetic shielding
>

[Anonymous No.15412701]

>>15412680
>If the government is not going to release it, we're going to release this to the public so they'll know that this is going on.
Okay when

[Anonymous No.15412702]

>>15412698
You're fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.15412703]

>>15412701
Buy his book to find out

[Anonymous No.15412706]

>>15412650
Hair and wisdom don't fit on the same head.

[Anonymous No.15412717]

>>15412680
Kys dumb plebbitnigger

[Anonymous No.15412719]

made on boca chiga by mexcicans

[Anonymous No.15412722]

>>15412719
The Mexicans were directed by an engineer to build each and every single thing, they did nothing but provide cheap labor

[Anonymous No.15412724]

>>15412722
uh oh mad gringo

[Anonymous No.15412727]

>>15412724
I’m half Argie you dumb beaner

[Anonymous No.15412730]

>>15412727
>half brown subhuman
>calls others beaner

Hilarious

[Anonymous No.15412732]

>>15412730
Nobody tell the amerimutt

[Anonymous No.15412739]

>>15412727
>>15412730
Stop, you're both disgusting earthers.

[Anonymous No.15412742]

>>15412698
Well that gives you motivation to maintain the shield generator, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.15412755]

>>15412702
No, I just understand howq unforgiving long time rtadiation exposure can be.
Will you be fine for a 30 day stay? Yes
3 month? Probably.
1 year? Maybe
Permanent base? No.

You need shielding. And the easy, passive way is to bury you habitat, or build underground

[Anonymous No.15412760]

>>15412742
>he thinks the corporation will give the indentured workes time to maintain the shield generator

[Anonymous No.15412764]

>>15412760
That's a good thing - it keeps you driven, and keeps your mind on the hustle 24/7
If you really want that shield generator, you'll MAKE the time to maintain it.

[Anonymous No.15412769]

>>15412755
>the easy, passive way
That's not very FVSTIVN of you

[Anonymous No.15412771]

>>15412764
>keeps your mind on the hustle 24/7
Sorry make that 24.6/7

[Anonymous No.15412772]

>>15412147
youtube.com/watch?v=9GWpptQlldU
Wait until you hear his voice.

[Anonymous No.15412790]

I wish we had some insider info on the true cope that was going on inside ULA as Falcon 9 gradually started reusing boosters and taking over the launch market. The fact that there was no major overhaul by the competition tells me that SpaceX truly was disregarded as a threat even once the falcon program was full swing

[Anonymous No.15412795]

>>15412790
When Tory retires maybe he'll write a book

[Anonymous No.15412801]

>>15412795
I wish I knew parseltongue to read that one day.

[Anonymous No.15412803]

going through my old files and dumping the good spess images

[Anonymous No.15412807]

>>15412803
Hell yeah let’s see what you got

[Anonymous No.15412808]

>>15412807
uh oh

[Anonymous No.15412812]

>>15412790
Things were probably a lot like what was going on at Arianespace, just a lot less public. "Reuse will never work," that turns into "But you need to reuse a rocket a million times before it makes financial sense, and the industry will never be big enough," which finally evolves into a sullen "It doesn't really matter anyway because we're a government service provider."

At this point I hope Vulcan drags its heels so hard getting to the pad that multiple payloads get shifted over to SpaceX and NSSL-3 lane B gets split between Falcon and new Glenn.

[Anonymous No.15412816]

hmmmm

[Anonymous No.15412818]

ah uh hmmm

[Anonymous No.15412821]

yes I see

[Anonymous No.15412823]

>>15412816
>>15412818
I don’t know how accurate these websites are, but last night I went through a bunch of space company political contributions. It’s fun tracking who they support. ULA, SpaceX, Boeing, Blue Origin. I presume they donate purely on space issues

[Anonymous No.15412824]

of course

[Anonymous No.15412825]

>>15412823
Boeing and LockMart do a LOT of contributions as well for politicians who make decisions that help ULA

[Anonymous No.15412826]

>>15412790
ULA never was priced for the commercial market, so they only really started worrying when they gained certification for government payloads. It was Arianespace, Roscosmos, and China that took the big hit.

[Anonymous No.15412829]

[Anonymous No.15412831]

fifteen rearing its ugly head as far back as 25 Jun, 2020
this was definitely some napkin deltav math from NSF with a heavy HLS Starship and low payload to LEO and not Blorig propoganda originally

[Anonymous No.15412834]

>>15412831
ah if you look closely it's actually reddit napkin math, even worse

[Anonymous No.15412836]

>>15412790
Everyone was laughing at Musk even when booster landing started becoming successful. It was at this time most “next gen” rockets had already locked in their designs (A6, Vulcan, H3, SLS, etc .)

[Anonymous No.15412842]

>>15412790
The closest we have is that project manager being secretly recorded. It's on Soundcloud, and it's just like over two hours of pure cope about Elon. Shit is fucking hilarious. Dude even brags about how Shelby will take care of SpaceX for them.

[Anonymous No.15412844]

>>15412259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIc3oXDr4G4

[Anonymous No.15412846]

>>15412138
Who?

[Anonymous No.15412847]

ah sorry I'm back

[Anonymous No.15412848]

ah a classic
Zeta Gundam is quite good actually

[Anonymous No.15412850]

WOULD YOU STOP CALLING IT A LOADER OMG ITS AN EXCAVATOR JFC

[Anonymous No.15412852]

>>15412842
Any link or search terms?

[Anonymous No.15412854]

>>15412850
It's a steam shovel

[Anonymous No.15412855]

the earliest known example of Nick Assholio deep frying an image, from 29 Feb 2020

[Anonymous No.15412858]

>>15412852
https://soundcloud.com/user-556604054/ula-seminar

[Anonymous No.15412859]

>>15412855
i forgot how long ago crinkle cans were. the pandemic did numbers on my perception of time.

[Anonymous No.15412861]

>>15412858
Thanks, this will be hilarious

[Anonymous No.15412862]

>>15412859
>the pandemic did numbers on my perception of time.
same, still hasn't recovered

[Anonymous No.15412868]

>>15412693
We are so over

[Anonymous No.15412869]

>>15412847
Lewd

[Anonymous No.15412872]

THE GUY THAT SMOKES POT??????

[Anonymous No.15412873]

>>15412847
What is the sexual innuendo for this orientation?

[Anonymous No.15412874]

>Good evening Ms. Garver. Yes I just spoke with Elon. NASA will be dissolved soon, we are on-schedule

[Anonymous No.15412880]

>>15412873
blowjob

[Anonymous No.15412890]

>>15412847
Starship docking... ngghn!!!

[Anonymous No.15412892]

>>15412858
Oh man this is gonna be good

[Anonymous No.15412894]

Two weeks, and, two more weeks.

[Anonymous No.15412898]

>>15412894
Launch pad is 2 months

[Anonymous No.15412900]

>>15412858
>"Every time a Falcon 9 is launching he's probably losing a quarter billion dollars."
lol and lmao

[Anonymous No.15412902]

>>15412900
Was just listening to that, lol

[Anonymous No.15412904]

[Anonymous No.15412915]

>>15412880
wrong, licking bellybutton

[Anonymous No.15412924]

Propellant is stored in the balls

[Anonymous No.15412949]

>can't scrub a Soundcloud recording without logging in
I HATE MODERN WEB I HATE MODERN WEB I HATE MODERN WEB

[Anonymous No.15412950]

somebody bake a new bread

[Anonymous No.15412954]

lmao Elon's livestream just now

[Anonymous No.15412958]

>>15412954
What?

[Anonymous No.15412960]

>>15412958
twitter just uncommented 2015 periscope code for live streams. elon was testing it out

[Anonymous No.15412969]

>>15412949
yt-dlp can rip SoundCloud files without logging in

[Anonymous No.15412976]

>>15412960
Faggot programmer

[Anonymous No.15412978]

"it's dumb"
HAHAHAHHAHA how have I not heard this recording

[Anonymous No.15412983]

>>15412969
Confirmed, it just works.

[Anonymous No.15412985]

>took a week to repair the olm foundation

[Anonymous No.15412988]

>>15412985
as opposed to the 3 years doomers said

[Anonymous No.15412989]

LAUGH AT THIS DUMB NIGGER JEET BAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15412992]

The aliens are projecting our memories onto the environment! They're trying to confuse us, Patrick.

[Anonymous No.15412996]

>>15412988
He was named, "fence schizo" by the thread for a reason, it was a mistake ever giving his (and his tr**nc*rd investigative team's) opinion legitimacy.
Others have been more rationally critical of him and I am sorry to ever have fallen for his parlor tricks, just because he increased production quality.

[Anonymous No.15413006]

>>15411850
They're suing the FAA accusing them of corruption and capriciousness over allowing the Falcon Heavy EIS to be modified for Starship, and asking the judge to force the the FAA to run a full EIS.

[Anonymous No.15413007]

STAGING

>>15413005
>>15413005
>>15413005
>>15413005
>>15413005

[Anonymous No.15413010]

>>15412904
No fucking way they ever let that thing fly in over disney world

[Anonymous No.15413021]

>>15412996
who is fence schizo? genuinely don't know

[Anonymous No.15413023]

>>15412465
The upper stage being 110tons wet and 4tons dry does let it throw some very heavy payloads to high energy orbits beyond what you'd expect a gas generator kerolox to be able to do.

[Anonymous No.15413053]

>>15412996
didn't some anon awhile back say bezos was supporting him?

[Anonymous No.15413095]

>>15412145
That might be the least outrageous thing he's said.

[Anonymous No.15413199]

>>15412858
fucking classic haha. i relisten to this every year lol. based foust made a soundcloud just for this