/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15405110]

>Shuts down the last nuclear reactors
>Providing about 4% of electricity
>Carbon intensity increases by about 10%
>392g/kWh -> 438g/kWh
>Replaced almost completely by gas/coal
Uhhhh Germanbros...how was this supposed to help save the environment again? I can't feel like a horrible mistake has been made.

[Anonymous No.15405113]

>>15405110
>Uhhhh Germanbros...how was this supposed to help save the environment again?
Did you really think that "green" movements were about saving the environment?

[Anonymous No.15405123]

Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless within one generation or less.

CO2 is far less toxic and vastly more practical to neutralize.

[Anonymous No.15405126]

>>15405123
Before the "Green Party" took over, Germans used MOX fuel reactors that reprocessed and recycled nuclear material to turn it back into fuel, leading to an optimally zero-waste nuclear industrial system.

[Anonymous No.15405146]

>>15405123

[Anonymous No.15405248]

>>15405146
No, pseud. Creating toxic radioactive time bombs is a really, really terrible solution.
>>15405126
This is better. I don't know much about mox reactors but I bought into the lftr meme for a while. Problem is all much of the infrastructure gets contaminated with neutrons, becomes hazardous and needs long term isolation to prevent environmental damage. It's still a terrible option.

[Anonymous No.15405327]

>>15405123
>Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless within one generation or less.
nuclear waste is already harmless dipshit, you can just throw it into a bore hole and never worry about it again

[Anonymous No.15405330]

>>15405248
>Creating toxic radioactive time bombs
KEK. Do you any idea how radioactivity works?

[Anonymous No.15405338]

>>15405123
And if we can't do that, we ought to release radioactive material directly into the atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.15405351]

>>15405330
More than you it seems.
>>15405338
What proportion of coal is radioactive material which gets vented directly into the atmosphere?

[Anonymous No.15405385]

>>15405123
>Makes a request for information
>Anon provides it
>Makes up reasons why it's not a solution
The state of greens

[Anonymous No.15405394]

>>15405385
It's a terrible solution. You nuclear retards are the pinnacle of willing, blissful ignorance. Thankfully nobody listens to you because it's obvious that you and descended into the depths of the stupidity trench and there you shall remain for all eternity. Don't expect to be able to steamroll truth with your lies.

Also, picrel is the answer to my question.

[Anonymous No.15405461]

>>15405248
>toxic radioactive time bombs
I too like to make uneducated claims about things I don't understand

[Anonymous No.15405495]

>>15405461
So what happens in a few hundred years when society collapses or corrupt bureaucrats skimp on funding. We're supposed to be leaving behind the boomer attitude of creating tomorrow's problems to support the desires of today.

I mean it doesn't matter what stupidity you spout because people who make the decisions acknowledge that nuclear energy is neither clean nor safe.

[Anonymous No.15405496]

>>15405495
The people who make decisions think that an invisible, harmless gas will cause the planet to turn into magma in 20 years.

[Anonymous No.15405503]

>>15405496
No. The people who are actually in control acknowledge facts like picrel >>15405394 in private however publicly they need a narrative which is more politically correct because nobody wants to admit in public that they have been poisoning the earth in increasing scale since before the industrial age.

People like you are caught in the awkward position of knowing that the public narrative is obviously hiding something yet being too stupid or ignorant to work out what's actually going on.

[Anonymous No.15405506]

>>15405503
>People like you are caught in the awkward position of knowing that the public narrative is obviously hiding something yet being too stupid or ignorant to work out what's actually going on.
Most ironic post in this entire thread.

[Anonymous No.15405515]

>>15405506
Nuclear shills are always the same. Rest assured that other readers see my posts with quality arguments supporting my stance while posts like yours are meaningless trash. Which is why my position is the position pushed by our rulers. Nuclear shills are ignorant and dangerous.

[Anonymous No.15405523]

>>15405515
How much coal fly ash do you think is emitted in the smoke of a coal power plant? Give a ballpark estimate.

[Anonymous No.15405530]

>>15405523
>>15405394
PICREL YOU STUPID FYCKING MORON. Holy shit how willingly ignorant are you stupid cunts.

The solution to pollution is not more pollution.

[Anonymous No.15405533]

>>15405530
I want you to guess, based on your obviously superior knowledge. You'll easily beat me so please do your best! In an average US coal-fired power plant how much radioactive fly ash is emitted in the smoke?

[Anonymous No.15405536]

>>15405533
Any answer I give would come from an internet search you can do yourself. Unsure how relevant this specific question is though given the amount of radioactive material produced by coal plants is already stated. Don't worry though because industry solved the problem by vitrifying fly ash in consumer products like house bricks. Stop beating around the bush and state the point you are trying to make.

[Anonymous No.15405539]

>>15405536
Bzzzzt! "No answer" was incorrect! The correct answer to the question was "zero tons!" I thought you were smart, anon!

[Anonymous No.15405543]

>>15405536
I personally look forward to a future where the building blocks used to construct my residence contain spent nuclear fuel rods. We can trust industry. It's perfectly safe.

[Anonymous No.15405548]

>>15405394
>>15405503
>>15405530
Picrel is total bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15405551]

>>15405539
Anybody who does a simple internet search will catch you out for lying once again. Even if you were correct (which you are not) coal fired plants also release substantial quantities of arsenic, lead, thallium, mercury and undoubtedly a lot of other toxic stuff. So yea, CO2 starts to look like a deflection.

[Anonymous No.15405553]

>>15405548
Post a better picture then faggot.

[Anonymous No.15405555]

>>15405551
OK so tell me again why you want to close safe nuclear plants and burn coal again?

[Anonymous No.15405561]

>>15405555
As stated there is no guaranteed safe storage solution for the waste produced over the timescales required. However facts will not convince you so let's move onto my next point (I have a bunch).

Nuclear power plants are constantly having meltdowns releasing vast quantities of radioactive material into the environment.

[Anonymous No.15405569]

>>15405561
>However facts will not convince you so let's move onto my next point (I have a bunch).
Could have fooled me, since you haven't had a single good argument this entire thread.

[Anonymous No.15405575]

>>15405569
Well you only think so because you're willingly ignorant. I await your hollow and pathetic attempt at refuting my new argument against nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15405577]

>>15405575
You have no arguments, you're just posting schizophasia.

[Anonymous No.15405586]

>>15405577
I hit you that hard huh. Well, I'll give it some time for fresh blood to join in and back you up as you're clearly out of your depth here.

[Anonymous No.15405589]

>>15405123
stick it in a pyramid

[Anonymous No.15405593]

>>15405589
Based vitrified uranium pyramid.

[Anonymous No.15406292]

>>15405110
shut up - *cough cough* - you racist chud, greenpeace told me nuclear -*cough*- is bad! *dies of lung cancer*

[Anonymous No.15406299]

can someone explain why nuclear waste is a problem? Isn't the nuclear material unearthed to begin with, before being used in the reactor? The nuclear material wasn't "created" as far as I understand, merely used and relocated, so as long as we just put it underground again, what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.15406471]

>>15406299
>can someone explain why nuclear waste is a problem?
Because of several decades of propaganda pushed by people who didn't know better. It has engineering challenges but they're not insurmountable. The bigger challenges are political (e.g. re-opening Yucca, restarting IFR/EBR programs).
Here's a vid that goes into more details: https://youtu.be/UA5sxV5b5b4

[Anonymous No.15406610]

>>15405123
Dig a really deep tunnel. Dump the waste. Blow up the tunnel. Repeat.

[Anonymous No.15406613]

>>15405110
Yeah no shit, we call this kind of stuff a "politicum"

[Anonymous No.15406630]

Germany is doing what it is doing because the German govt knows that Germany is demographically doomed, in next 30 years or so it might not even exist, even if they build all of that infrastructure, there will be no one to take care of it, apart from it the government is simply broke, they have no money add to this the self annihilation finis germania ideology of greens and other leftists, and all of this completely makes sense.
Germany only has impoverishment and death in its future.

[Anonymous No.15406710]

>>15405553
It's bullshit. Normal uranium and thorium are harmless, and naturally occur in nature. Coal is just fossilized trees in the first place, there is no good reason to worry about anything in contains, in fact there are expriments on using coal as fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.15407024]

>>15406630
Why wouldn't they just stop that from happening instead of tearing everything down? It doesn't seem logical. Who/what is preventing them from securing their demographic future?

[Anonymous No.15407115]

This thread is a moron magnet. Sublimely pleased that nobody takes any of you cretins seriously.

[Anonymous No.15407123]

by the end of the century Germany will be nuclear powered again, but it will be importing it from Polish nuclear power plants

[Anonymous No.15407127]

>>15407123
It's already importing French nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15407934]

>>15406299
Nobody wants to accept it for final delivery and storage, and nobody wants it transported through their states. It would take an absolute miracle for one state to finally accept the waste for disposal and another to negotiate the transportation to that site.

[Anonymous No.15407949]

CO2 is plant food, Germany is based af for using coal instead of nuclear. I want to live in a world with over 1000ppm CO2, not the sissy poorfag 423 we have now
lets get busy

[Anonymous No.15407972]

>>15405123
Tell me what's actually wrong with small amounts of radiation compared to coal dust in the atmosphere and the absolute HAVOC coal mining and coal processing has on surrounding towns.

The only reason these towns aren't outlawed is because coal bureaucracy spans back centuries. If we just discovered coal energy in the 20th century, we'd have similar harsh regulations on it due to it literally poisoning entire towns and water supplies.

you can actually put nuclear facilities next to towns. No one wants to live next to the coal plant.

I don't give a single shit about C02 and inefficiencies in nuclear power has more to do with the absurd regulations on them than anything else.

[Anonymous No.15407980]

>>15407972
The waste products are not small amounts of radiation and the inevitable meltdowns (which nuclear industry keeps promising won't happen anymore but it still keeps happening) also do not release small amounts of radiation. We are talking about large amounts of radiation.

Coal is garbage too but nuclear is a very expensive (one of my next points) and causes problems comparable to coal.

[Monadas No.15409525]

>>15405110
This is what social scientists do.

Tbh all of this is chernobyl. Germany was pretty much hit worst regarding that because it was the country nearest to ukraine with not soviet-controlled press. Back then people were advised not to go outside and everyone was afraid because you can't feel radiation. If you don't know whether you have been intoxicated, that is a very chilling feeling. Especially to "social scientists".

>>15405126
Then why do we have waste to store in germany?

[Anonymous No.15409546]

>>15407949
>I want to live in a world with over 1000ppm CO2, not the sissy poorfag 423 we have now
>lets get busy
that's like saying "i want to live with a bullet in my brain"

[Anonymous No.15409557]

>>15405110
That is why we know for sure globohomo warming is fake AF.

[Anonymous No.15409559]

>>15405113
fpbp
all "green" companies are exclusively oil/coal/gas/rape companies continuing their profits by putting a little lampshade over their new sister company, pinning the blame somewhere else, and saying they're going to clean it all up if only you give them a whole lot of taxpayer money! Won't you please think of the children and give these poor starving oil CEOs a fuckload of your money? Do the needful sirs, new yachts are required in these trying times. No we can't prove that anything we've proposed will actually help the environment what are you insane or something the environment is just a conspiracy theory security escort that man out as I was saying more taxpayer money please

[Anonymous No.15409572]

>>15405515
You are one of the worst posters on this board

[Anonymous No.15409703]

>>15409559
This.

[Anonymous No.15409774]

>>15409572
Yes. Highlighting the facts people like you try to ignore makes me many enemies it's true.

[Anonymous No.15409821]

>>15409774
You're just an obnoxious faggot in every thread you're ever in

[Anonymous No.15409833]

>>15409821
Is he the Midwit Narcissist who also famously denies the existence of species?

[Anonymous No.15409850]

>>15405123
>Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless within one generation or less.
You throw it in the ocean. No, I'm not joking.

>CO2 is far less toxic and vastly more practical to neutralize.
No shit, it's already an inert gas you fucking dipstick.

[Monadas No.15410568]

>>15409850
So why don't we just throw CO2 in the ocean instead? That would be much less correllated with radiation damage. (At least of the high kinetic energy kind (see photoelectric effect))

[Anonymous No.15410616]

>>15410568
>So why don't we just throw CO2 in the ocean instead?
CO2 condenses back to earth from water via rain, yes.

[Anonymous No.15410632]

>>15409546
Professional greenhouse operators burn propane or butane in their operations to maintain a daytime CO2 level of 1500-2000ppm because thats the high productivity sweet spot for most plants. Those greenhouses are about 400% more productive than growing in unmodified atmospheres, if we could get the whole planet into that range, every acre of farmland in operation today would produce 400% more yield.

[Anonymous No.15410887]

>>15410632
We should already see an increase in plant growth, but the CO2 can't even compensate for the lack of heavy metals in most places.

[Anonymous No.15410888]

>>15410887
We do already see an increase in plant growth, actually.

[Anonymous No.15410895]

>>15410888
Depends pn place and nowhere near enough

Think of it this way: Coal forms from plants, and contains, at least the younger coals do, the elements that were in the plants. Which means, that if you want plants to use up all tge CO2 that came from its burning you should keep all the ash and anything else that is not CO2 and use it as a fertilizer (and probably not let anything slip into the ocean).

[Anonymous No.15410897]

>>15410888
Depends on place and nowhere near enough

Think of it this way: Coal forms from plants, and contains, at least the younger coals do, the elements that were in the plants. Which means, that if you want plants to use up all the CO2 that came from its burning you should keep all the ash and anything else that is not CO2 and use it as a fertilizer (and probably not let anything slip into the ocean).

[Anonymous No.15410928]

>>15405110
So the germans are going to finally extinct themselves, a feat not even the soviets or the western allies had the stomach to do

[Anonymous No.15410938]

>>15405110
it wasn't about being green
it was about reducing the security risk in the incoming war

[Anonymous No.15410939]

>>15405123
it's already thousands of times safer than coal and gas and decays thousands of times quicker than coal and gas by products

[Anonymous No.15410970]

>>15410897
>Coal forms from plants
It doesn't. That's a myth.

[Anonymous No.15411058]

>>15409833
He has no idea. He's just having a sook because I'm shutting down his nuclear fantasies.
>>15409850
Haha yea because fish isn't toxic enough already.

[Anonymous No.15411269]

>>15410928
That is the end game of all liberal-left ideology, total self destruction.

[Anonymous No.15411271]

>>15407024
Germany ended in 1945.

[Anonymous No.15411282]

threads like this remind me never to take a left leaning person seriously on any topic and i appreciate that

[Anonymous No.15412765]

>>15411282
ppl that always lie are fairly easy to figure out

[Anonymous No.15412963]

>>15410970
No I live near an old coal mine, the dump was full of fossils.

[Anonymous No.15413054]

>>15412963
You know that means that it cannot be made from those fossils, right? Fossils form when another chemical leeches into the stratum where something is buried and replaces what was originally there. The petroleum leeched into the stratum where those fossilized things were buried and formed coal around them.

[Anonymous No.15413141]

>>15405123
>Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless within one generation or less.
... or else?

[Sage No.15413260]

>>15413141
Or else nobody in any civilised nation is going to build nuclear power plants. I mean they won't anyway because there's a list of reasons why nobody sensible wants to build any but you can start with this point.

[Anonymous No.15413297]

>>15405110
What do you expect from a country that elects a mossad mole as their leader?

[Anonymous No.15413309]

>>15405123
Fast Breeder reactors

[Anonymous No.15413331]

>>15405123
Why all you activists are so ignorant?

[Anonymous No.15413334]

>>15405543
>I personally look forward to a future where the building blocks used to construct my residence will come from 30 km deep caves

[Anonymous No.15413336]

>>15413331
Are you being ironic?

[Anonymous No.15413352]

>>15405110
German leaders know global warming is a fraud so why not replace it with coal. Nuclear is unsuatainable because the collective intelligence has dropped too far and the ability to cooperate on large scale projects as well.

[Anonymous No.15413625]

>>15413331
Coal is the best power source, always has been. All that CO2 it releases is a bonus, not a pollutant.

[Anonymous No.15413654]

>>15405495

[Anonymous No.15413765]

>>15405123
>Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless within one generation or less.
natural radioactive decay

[Anonymous No.15413789]

>>15405110
How many times are you going to post this? You do realize that most people don't care? So what if electricity is being generated by burning coal? Is the plant next to my home? No. Can I see or smell the black soothy smoke that comes from those plants? No. Therefore I don't give a shit, I don't even think about it. The green alarmist tv/internet/msm ads about coal, climate change, co2 whatever I subconciously ignore and move my attention to more interesting stuff. Apart from the loud minority(and even they don't care) most people don't give a shit about where their energy comes because they have other things to think about.

[Anonymous No.15414299]

>>15406471
so the talk of all the world's nuclear waste fitting on one football field is BS because this is just one plant.

[Anonymous No.15414598]

>>15413789
>Can I see or smell the black soothy smoke that comes from those plants?
Did you know that they don't even emit smoke? All of the sulfur and ash are captured in filters.

[Anonymous No.15415515]

>>15413789
I care, we need more CO2 in the atmosphere ASAP, my plants are hungry

[Anonymous No.15415554]

>>15405495
>potential person argument
Pro life creationist retard thinking.

[Anonymous No.15416225]

>>15405123
The half-life of CO2 in the stratosphere is 10.000 years. How are you planning on neutralizing a gas you cannot even reach?

[Anonymous No.15416264]

>>15411058
Just shut up already

[Anonymous No.15416294]

>>15405123
Shove it in a big electric field so it decays faster

[Anonymous No.15416444]

>>15407934
This seems so fake I'm biting. Why would any state give a shit if nuclear waste is rendered harmless by being put in a safe transporting 'capsule' (for lack of a better word) to be moved through it. Also doesn't the US have a giant desolate desert ripe for a tomb of radioactive waste? Wtf is the issue, where are you getting this information from?

[Anonymous No.15416472]

>>15407980
Inevitable meltdowns lmao, you mean the three most people know of? With others being due to inadequate procedures/equipment. Shit doesn't just blow up for no reason, and our understanding of nuclear energy has evolved.

why do you think warships are nuclear powered if it's such a giant risk? please explain this, because it pokes a GIANT hole in your theory of inevitable meltdowns

[Anonymous No.15416496]

>>15409525
>Then why do we have waste to store in germany?
because you forgot how to engineer incinerators

[Anonymous No.15416500]

>>15416444
>Why would any state give a shit if nuclear waste is rendered harmless by being put in a safe transporting 'capsule'
Because the politicians are selected on popular vote. They are afraid of media fearmongering that will get them out of office not really the nuclear waste itself.

[Anonymous No.15416509]

>>15416500
>politicians are selected on popular vote

[Anonymous No.15416524]

>>15407980
>nuclear is a very expensive
here are the costs of different energy production scenarios for france. 50% nuclear is the cheapest. Higher ratios have not been explored because we're too late (because of antinuclear idiots) to replace all existing plants before they need to be shut down.

[Anonymous No.15416526]

>>15416500
Fair enough, I thought you were saying states would inherently object to such a thing due to the risks of it.

But a lot of states within the U.S already have nuclear waste sites, here's a goofy ass anti-nuclear article about it: https://www.cnet.com/pictures/how-much-nuclear-waste-is-in-your-state/null/

[Anonymous No.15416664]

>>15410632
>If i put on the fire on my stove, i can bake pancakes
> So if i put my house on fire, I can bake pancakes everywhere!

[Anonymous No.15416952]

>>15416472
Putting a nuclear reactor inside of a tool for war is peak moron. No matter how safe the reactor design, how well maintained and how skilled the technicians. It's a target for big bangs.

Possibly nuclear reactors could be safe in an ideal world but this is not an ideal world and in this real world nuclear reactors have accidents which release radioactive materials into the environment every decade or two since we started building them. This statistic doesn't lie. Your claim is akin to a politicians promise leading up to election. Whatever the causes, nuclear reactors are proven unsafe even if they could be safe.

[Anonymous No.15416959]

>>15416524
I don't speak French not do I care to but the issue with cost is the upfront cost not the cost spread over the lifetime of the plant. The fusion dream has most states saving their pennies.

[Anonymous No.15416992]

>>15416952
Lemme just call up all of the admirals and nuclear engineers in the navies of the US, UK, France, Russia, China, India, South Africa, Australia, Brazil, etc and let them know some homo on 4chinz thinks nuclear ships are a bad idea. I'm sure they'll change their minds.

[Anonymous No.15417012]

>>15405110
>how was this supposed to help save the environment again?
It wasn't. Welcome to the Great Reset, goy

[Anonymous No.15417341]

>>15416992
nuclear is convenient for transport because of long range without refueling, but all other power should be fossil fuel based because we need to maximize CO2 input into the atmosphere to maximize agricultural productivity

[Anonymous No.15417526]

>>15416992
Facetious humour does not appeal to me. It does seem that in the near future we will have the opportunity to see just how resilient these vessels and their reactors are. Next decade I doubt anyone will be able to make the claim that nuclear reactors aboard military watercraft have never leaked.

I hope I am proven wrong.

[Anonymous No.15417801]

>>15416524
france need to use more coal, its cheaper and it makes more CO2, the grape harvest for you drunks will get bigger & better with more CO2

[Anonymous No.15417940]

>>15416500
Fortunately Harry Reid died. He's the one that was making a big deal about Yucca in NV and pressured Obama to close it.

[Anonymous No.15419145]

>>15416500
lol it thinks elections are real, how cute and naïve

[Anonymous No.15419753]

>>15417341
watch out you don't start an ice age by accident

[Anonymous No.15420286]

>>15419753
I thought this was the plan, just like last time.

[Anonymous No.15420293]

>>15417526
The Kursk blew up in relatively shallow water and ecological disaster occurred. Other nuclear submarines have been list with no significant environmental impact

[Anonymous No.15420299]

>>15405110
>Uhhhh Germanbros...how was this supposed to help save the environment again?
It was supposed to make voters of the Greens happy.

86% of the Germans were against shutting down the nuclear power plants last month.
Don't put Germans in general into the same bag as the Greens.
Greens are stupid fucks, that are (intentionally?) getting all of us killed.
The current German government can't crumble soon enough.

[Anonymous No.15420327]

>>15405146
>take uranium out of ground
>put it back in hole already displaced by a strip mine
NOOOO THAT ISN'T SAFE!!!

[Sage No.15420809]

>>15420327
>Take rock containing arsenic out of ground
>refine and concentrate the arsenic
>put the arsenic back in the hole you made
>everything is gonna be okay
Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15420817]

Beware of the corprate oil and coal shills in this thread.

[Anonymous No.15420819]

Lets get these CO2 levels up

423ppm is rookie numbers

[Anonymous No.15420829]

>>15420809
Uranium naturally concentrates as oxide ores through precipitation, that's the entire reason it's in those caves at all. In fact in some places it forms natural nuclear reactors due to water concentration. In contrast, fully depleted uranium is only dangerous because it's a heavy metal, like lead.

[Sage No.15420881]

>>15420829
Look you're either more stupid than shit or blatantly trolling like most people in this thread so I'm only going to provide a low effort response.

Straight up, there is only a single natural reactor I know of and you wouldn't want to live anywhere near it. Uranium ores are still radioactive and you wouldn't want to be anywhere near them either. Then there's an important concept called "scale". Abundant nuclear reactors means abundant nuclear waste and abundant nuclear meltdowns.

Also let's not pretend this is just about fuel rods. There's a lot of other toxic radioactive waste products produced by nuclear plants.

If you clowns had any nuance or intelligence between you, you could have made suggestions like using the nuclear waste in something like a managed RTG. My response would have been to highlight the economic feasibility issues.

Instead you're like "whoa yea let's just dust this stuff on our crops to kill insects" "fantastic idea, it's totally harmless". Are you actually on my side and trying to make proponents of nuclear energy look completely unhinged?

I am happy to admit that I'm a huge fan of nuclear energy. It has a vital place in the progress of our species. Just not on Earth.

[Anonymous No.15420902]

>>15420881
Meds.

[Anonymous No.15420906]

>>15420902
If you're gonna shitpost could you make it funny.

[Anonymous No.15420907]

>>15420906
Not a shitpost. I'm genuinely worried about your psychosis.

[Anonymous No.15420908]

>>15405123
Launch it into the sun/space. Problem solved. We send rockets up all the time, attach it to one of Elons reusable ones on an exit trajectory outside the galaxy.
>but muh aliens will be mad
Alien don't exist.

[Anonymous No.15420918]

>>15420907
Then make a thread about it. We're busy talking about nuclear power.

In case anyone lurking actually had any education at all... How far away are we from producing a hybrid fission/fusion reactor?

>>15420908
It's the dangers of launching the rockets. Sometimes they explode. Also, useful isotopes are produced and it is possible to refine spent nuclear fuel one the isotopes have decayed into more useful forms.

[Anonymous No.15421472]

>>15420906
humor is a high iq characteristic, midwits can't do it

[Anonymous No.15422429]

>>15420918
>the dangers of launching the rockets
Block 5 has never failed.

[Anonymous No.15422615]

>>15420907
>t. shitposter

[Anonymous No.15423624]

>>15421472
half the posts in the humor thread are low iqs chimping about how jokes make them angry

[Anonymous No.15423630]

>>15423624
It's been scientifically proven that leftism is correlated with both low IQ and an inability to write jokes.

[Anonymous No.15424777]

>>15405123
molten salt reactors burn spent nuclear fuel
whatever remains after that process can be stored for 2-300 years after which the material is as radioactive as the original ore and be disposed in a secured landfill
no one can argue against burying stuff that is as radioactive as the stuff one can dig up

[Anonymous No.15424789]

>>15423630
>>15423624
>>15421472
So you're all just failed clowns? That's just sad

[Anonymous No.15424936]

>>15405110
Germans want to accelerate global warming. It's basically insane

[Anonymous No.15424971]

>>15424936
It's actually the opposite.

The Greens want to turn Germany, the country they hate so much, into a rotten wasteland, that over time transforms into a Western European desert.
Deserts counter-act global warming by their mere existence.

[Anonymous No.15425227]

>>15406710
>Normal uranium and thorium are harmless
I mean besides being radioactive heavy metals

[Anonymous No.15425682]

>>15424936
CO2 doesn't cause global warming, Mars has over 2000% more CO2 than Earth and Mars has no detectable greenhouse effect.

[Anonymous No.15425735]

>>15405123
>Find me a way of making nuclear waste harmless
You buy a very big piece of land in the middle of nowhere and build a concrete sarcophagus with warnings and leave it all there for thousands of years or hire space x and send it into space, retard.

[Anonymous No.15426648]

>>15425682
CO2 causes global cooling, it effectively raises the planets albedo by increasing the rate at which plants convert solar energy to matter

[Anonymous No.15427497]

>>15424777
I touched on this here. I used to love lftr until I learnt that the salts are highly corrosive and the pipes and tanks etc require replacement and disposal. Which doesn't seem so bad until you learn that neutrons get embedded into all those parts.
>>15405248

[Anonymous No.15427514]

>>15410970
>The carboniferous period is a myth

[Monadas No.15427565]

>>15413054
/sci/zo
https://youtu.be/NfxM5JL1R_Y?t=525
The audio is in german, but it doesn't matter. You will only need to use your vision.

[Anonymous No.15427871]

>>15427497
none of that is needed, just burning coal is fine

[Anonymous No.15428530]

>>15425682
Mars would have a massive greenhouse effect if CO2 were a greenhouse gas

[Anonymous No.15428535]

>>15428530
Clouds are also made of cotton and you can walk on them.

[Anonymous No.15429619]

>>15428530
i seriously hope you guys don't still think that co2 is greenhouse gas

[Anonymous No.15429662]

>>15427514
Two unrelated concepts. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15429952]

>>15429619
Nobody bothers with your kind anymore.

[Anonymous No.15430361]

>>15429952
Yeah, people who believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas are ignored. The jig is up.

[Anonymous No.15430389]

based germany openly ignoring the global warming big lie.

[Monadas No.15430700]

>>15429619
No not at all. Who would be so stupid as to believe that CO2 absorbs in the IR spectrum.

[Anonymous No.15430789]

>>15405123
>>15405248
Yeah so it's better to release massive amount of toxic waste in the atmosphere instead, that is known to cause millions of death per year, while nuclear waste have yet to kill human beings.
You're literally brain dead.

[Anonymous No.15431489]

>>15430789
>fake news graphic

[Anonymous No.15432571]

>>15429619
>greenhouse gas
oxymoronic term. greenhouses require a rigid exterior in order to prevent convective cooling. gases are not rigid.

[Anonymous No.15433764]

>>15428530
Mars would have over 50ºC greenhouse effect if CO2 were a greenhouse gas. Scientists detect no greenhouse effect on Mars

[Anonymous No.15434592]

>>15433764
thats because co2 is not a greenhouse gas

[Anonymous No.15434780]

>>15433764
Post math otherwise conjecture.

[Anonymous No.15434826]

>>15405110
UUUHHHHH I know increase the population to increase energy demands, that should get emissions way down.

[Anonymous No.15434828]

>>15405577
nah it's narcissism mixed with idiocy

[Anonymous No.15436201]

>>15434826
CO2 emissions are good, its plant food.

[Anonymous No.15436899]

>>15405561
that only happened once so far this century

[Anonymous No.15437351]

>>15405110
Why did they shut down nuclear power if global warming is a real problem?

[Anonymous No.15437849]

>>15437351
Because the Greens were found with the expressed purpose of shutting down all nuclear power plants and to remove nuclear from this world.
I don't blame them for actually doing it, but the entire rest of "Berlin" for falling for their scam. Especially the FDP has completely fucked up. Wouldn't even be surprised, if they didn't make into parliament next time.

[Anonymous No.15438738]

>>15434780
you can't do freshman level astronomy problems on your own
lol

[Anonymous No.15439289]

>>15424936
global warming is a false narrative, adding more plant food the the atmosphere is a wonderful idea that benefits every living creature on the planet, you should be thanking germany instead of being a bitchy ingrate

[Anonymous No.15439307]

Green part unironically believes in population control through destabilizing energy security.
They have been leeching off of France's nuclear reactors for decades so it allows them to posture as if solar and wind memes are serious.

[Anonymous No.15440521]

in contrast, here is how south africa is doing

[Anonymous No.15441157]

>>15434780
How big is the current greenhouse effect on Earth due to CO2? However big that is, Mars should have 20x that amount. Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect.

[Anonymous No.15442153]

>>15439307
>solar and wind memes are serious
They easily could be, but not with uneducated ideologists like the Greens in control.
Solar and wind COULD help. If the Greens weren't out to get all of us killed in order to "save the planet".

[Anonymous No.15442421]

>>15440521
lol

[Anonymous No.15444223]

>>15405110
germans are retarded

[Anonymous No.15444624]

>>15444223
Agreed.
t. German

[Anonymous No.15444626]

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[Anonymous No.15444645]

>>15430789
But nobody can name anyone whose died from air pollution.
These figures are all based on models rather than measured reality

[Anonymous No.15445399]

>Uhhhh Germanbros...how was this supposed to help save the environment again?
Environment?

[Anonymous No.15445709]

>>15445399
more CO2 is good for the environment

[Anonymous No.15446888]

>>15445709
Are the "scientists" who say the opposite lying or are they low IQ?

[Anonymous No.15447008]

>>15405123
gr8 b8 m8.

The people who really have this view are literally too dumb to solve the captcha

[Anonymous No.15447032]

>>15405495
>when society collapses
you lot really are subhuman

[Anonymous No.15447036]

>>15446888
Scientists are whores for whomever gives them grant money
Carbon is the new state religion, so them singing with the choir puts food on the table
if they're disobedient, they get canned and blacklisted from ever holding a job in their field again

[Anonymous No.15447479]

>>15447036
so you're saying that they're lying

[Anonymous No.15447720]

>>15440521
That doesn't account for cooking over open wood fires when the power goes out. Its a very inefficient way to cook, but thats what they do when theres no electricity to work with

[Anonymous No.15448083]

>>15441157
Environmentalists actually claim about 10-30ºF of CO2 induced greenhouse effect, so Mars should be 200-600ºF hotter than it is according to their math.

[Anonymous No.15448186]

>>15447479
He isn't saying that.
He is saying, that they are saying what the people giving them money want to hear.

It's probably an extremely good idea to reduce air pollution and the use of carbon, but it's most likely not a life-or-death situation we can influence like the climate cult wants to make the world believe (in order to sustain its control of the world).

[Anonymous No.15449494]

>>15448083
>so Mars should be 200-600ºF hotter than it is according to their math.
Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect, its average surface temperature is exactly what the planetary equilibrium temp calculation says it should be

[Anonymous No.15449540]

>>15448186
The climate change deniers have more money and power behind them than the environmentalists ever will.

[Anonymous No.15450152]

>>15449540
>climate change deniers
What the fuck is that term even supposed to mean? Do they deny that there is any change in climate?
It's of the same spirit as "corona enemy" or "privileged people". Political terminology to shut down any opposition to whatever one wants to push through at all cost without having sound ground for it.
>more money and power behind them than the environmentalists
If you are seriously thinking so, then you haven't been paying any attention at all.
They control the media, they control the political sphere. It may depend on your country, but I have seen ZERO public opposition to those people, despite practically all regular citizens being against them in private.
That's "Democracy" in the year 2023. What a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.15450471]

>>15442153
>ideologists
Learn to spell before calling anyone uneducated, my man

And i say this as someone who hates these fucks too

[Anonymous No.15450778]

>>15449540
>environmentalists
you're not an environmentalists if you want less CO2 in the atmosphere, increasing CO2 levels will make the environment more productive and healthier. CO2 is not a pollutant, its a beneficial gas with no downside, the more of it we add to the atmosphere, the better off we all are.

[Anonymous No.15450944]

>>15450471
>Learn to spell
There is nothing wrong with my spelling of "ideologists"[0].
Don't keep assuming, that because people tend to spell it wrong, anyone using it has to have spelt it wrong.
At least first make sure that you are right about your claim, unlike some ideologist.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ideologist

[Anonymous No.15452032]

>>15450778
This
Its already long since been proved via scientific experiment that CO2 is good for the environment.
See >>15420819 picrel

[Anonymous No.15452784]

>>15452032

[Anonymous No.15454015]

>>15448186
>It's probably an extremely good idea to reduce … the use of carbon
false, co2 production makes the environment healthier and more productive

[Anonymous No.15454999]

If global warming were a legitimate threat, Germany wouldn't be shutting down nuclear in favor of coal. Germany has a lot of low lying coastal land that would be swamped by sea level rise. Denmark and Finland even more so, if global warming were a genuine threat, they would be going to war with Germany over this issue.

[Anonymous No.15455913]

>>15454999
Not even a small amount of complaint from Germany's vulnerable neighbors, I guess global warming must be fake

[Anonymous No.15457103]

>>15452784
damn, that tree at far right with +450ppm CO2 is twice as tall as the one at right with ambient CO2 level. twice as tall means 8x the volume for only a little more than 2x the CO2 in the atmosphere.
I'd always presumed that plants would only grow twice as fast with double the CO2, not 8x faster.
fukkin amazing, the future with incrased CO2 in the air is going to be bountiful as f fr no cap, bussin 3 meals a day errrry day

[Anonymous No.15457126]

>>15454015
Unless it increases the temperatures beyond what's "healthy" (for us).
After the same bunch started doing that entire gender shit, their points started looking weaker, though.
I want to believe, that actual scientists would speak up, if the increased "greenhouse effect" through emitted CO2 was bullshit.
After seeing what they are doing to actual scientists that say that there are exactly two sexes, that belief got severely weaker.
They aren't even speaking up against grossly misused terminology after all. The media regular talk about CO2 like it was a resource we are depleting.

[Anonymous No.15458408]

>>15457126
>Unless it increases the temperatures beyond what's "healthy" (for us).
primates thrived during the era that co2 was over 1000ppm about 25 million years ago

[Anonymous No.15459396]

>>15457103
Yeah, thats kind of fantastic, thanks for pointing it out, I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. 800% increase in overall growth for only double the CO2

[Anonymous No.15459868]

>>15457126
>I want to believe, that actual scientists would speak up
Just realized there is a group, that does.
Well, let's hope when those two groups clash, we will learn more about what is actually going on and what would be best to do.

[Anonymous No.15460915]

>>15458408
it'll be 100s of years before we reach 1000ppm, nobody alive today will get to see it

[Anonymous No.15461710]

>>15460915
feels bad man, I wanna see nature at its liveliest and tuned for maximum performance instead of half suffocated from co2 starvation like it is now

[Anonymous No.15461955]

>>15405110
ecotards are the scourge of this earth

[Anonymous No.15462090]

>>15459868
Related.

[Anonymous No.15462610]

>>15405123
Throw it into old mineshafts? Where do you think that stuff comes from in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15463392]

>>15461955
shutting down nuclear power in favor of coal is good for the environment. plants like co2, they eat it, more plants is good for the environment

[Anonymous No.15463551]

>>15405126
the conservatives decided to end nuclear in germany 10 years ago

[Anonymous No.15464334]

>>15463551
>Merkel
>conservative
Good one. Not.

[Anonymous No.15464469]

>>15405123
Dump it in the ocean. The sea is a big place, it'll dilute plenty.

[Anonymous No.15464474]

>>15405123
Shoot it at sandniggers/russians/chinks, loads of solutions. KYS

[Anonymous No.15464479]

>>15407972
Tell me whats wrong about radiation or coal dust. Climate/environmentalism is a communist trick to destroy western industry.

Kill everybody in government.

[Anonymous No.15464488]

>>15407980
>inevitable meltdowns
No meltdowns, even the one made by communists, have ever been dangerous. Folks who died in Chernobyl had more risk from the fire and explosion from graphite, and even then their deaths pale in comparison to all other energy production.

If you're really scared of nuclear, just don't live near communists.

[Anonymous No.15464493]

>>15409850
Glad to see someone else has the right idea. People bitch about toxic this-that being in the ocean. What the fuck do they think volcanoes do?

If you're so scared about toxic fish, don't eat fish retard.

[Anonymous No.15465003]

>>15464493
>>15411058
The only dimwits who say it's "bad for the ocean" simply red flag themselves as to how little they actually know about nuclear power. You can't irradiate water you fucking DIPSHITS, it simply turns it into heavy water. It's literally impossible that's why they use the same water from the rivers you drink to cool the fucking towers and that's when it's not even spent.

Not only is throwing it into the ocean a good idea, it's literally the only idea that will work to negate the radiation it has. Every single other asshat coping mechanism these clowns have coem up with have done nothing but cause more and more problems.

>DURR LETS SPEND BILLIONS AND SEND IT TO SPACE!
>HURR LETS PUT IT IN BARRELS AND BURY IT!
>OH I KNOW, JUST GET RID OF NUCLEAR ALTOGETHER BECAUSE WE BOUGHT INTO THE PSYCHOSIS AND SIMPLY LOST THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT ACTUALLY WORKS TO CONTAIN RADIATION

How about you just throw it in the fucking ocean? Is it so hard to believe that "not my problem" ends up being the solution? Or is it that you can't bear how useless your gestures are in geomancing spicy matter for your religious poppycock in regards to environmentalism?

[Anonymous No.15465077]

Inset there a volcano erupting in Mexico that has already replaced all CO2 ever? Or some ridiculous amount?

Imagine spending billions, killing millions of birds, whales, fish, bats, ect starve millions of humans, kill cows because they fart, only to have a volcano erupt in bumfucked Egypt and erase all of your “work”and set you back 100s of years.

Good work assholes. You have killed us over a hoax.

[Anonymous No.15465121]

>>15410928
The Jews already tried this several times. After they got pogromed in russia for murdering 60 million Christians, they decided the best way to genocide Germans (and all white people) was to use mass immigration, feminism, critical race theory, atheism, propaganda etc.

[Anonymous No.15465342]

>>15465003
>it simply turns it into heavy water.
Which gets further irradiated. What do you think happens then Einstein?

[Anonymous No.15465494]

>>15465342
>What do you think happens then Einstein?
Tell us, smarty pants.

[Anonymous No.15465702]

>>15405123
>uhhhh nuclear waste might become a problem at some indeterminate point in the future somehow at some scale that we can't really quantify
>so the obvious choice is that we just keep doing what is objectively thousands of times worse while we try to figure out how to solve this problem that isn't clearly defined or understood

[Anonymous No.15465710]

>>15407934
>It would take an absolute miracle for one state to finally accept the waste for disposal and another to negotiate the transportation to that site.
"Hey dipshit we're doing this deal with it" *points f35 with complete payload at u*
problem solved

[Anonymous No.15465855]

>>15465702
There is nothing about about using coal as a power source, CO2 derived from coal is organic fertilizer

[Anonymous No.15467178]

>>15465077
Thats how scientists make money. They don't produce anything valuable, they make money by theft and lying

[Anonymous No.15467722]

>>15464334
She sure didn't conserve much, her "conservative" government was hell bent on changing Germany for the worse as rapidly as possible

[Anonymous No.15467957]

>>15467722
Well, Merkel was the Greenest chancellor in the history of Germany, which is part of the reason this country is in the horrendous situation it finds itself in. (Kohl and Schröder weren't exactly helping, either.)
The Greens are fortunately imploding at the moment, but it's unfortunate the AfD rises as much at the same time.
That said, they are the only party in Germany actually opposing the Green policy, which has brought us into this situation, even the media are controlled by the Greens, so it's completely obvious where people would turn to for help and why the day-and-night propaganda on the news slowly stops working.

Graduating from college this year, I'm currently looking for opportunities outside Germany. This nation (and maybe even this country) won't last long anymore, if my suspicions aren't too far off the mark.

[Anonymous No.15469202]

>>15465855
>CO2 derived from coal is organic fertilizer
and coal is derived from CO2 & sunlight
the circle of life
you can release as much CO2 into the atmosphere we you want, it will just resequester itself as organic matter, the more you release, the faster the sequestration happens

[Anonymous No.15469777]

>>15467957
>AfD bad
found the turk diaspor

[Anonymous No.15469854]

>>15469777
I wasn't suggesting that the AfD was worse than the other parties.
The biggest problem with the AfD is, that it's a political party. Other than that, they are a perfectly valid choice to make.
My only worry is, that linksgrün implodes so hard (well-deserved), that we get into zero-opposition to CDU-AfD next legislature.
I personally don't care at all who rules us, but I want there to be a powerful opposition in place.
>turk diaspor
The Turk-majority voting districts I have checked the numbers on are extremely AfD.
Turks usually have (dual) German citizenship and their neighborhoods have been ruined by linksgrün.

[Anonymous No.15469875]

>>15469202
If anthropomorphic CO2 was effecting global warming then the earth's atmosphere would physically weigh more and global air pressure hasn't increased at all and CO2 is still less than 1% of the atmosphere and vital for life on earth.

[Anonymous No.15469880]

>>15405110
>Shut down nuclear reactors
>Go back to BURNING FUCKING LIGNITE COAL
>IN 2023 AND NOT 1890

Seriously, if you know any German, slap them across the fucking face the next time you see them. For crimes against the environment.

[Anonymous No.15469883]

>>15405394
>Defends burning coal

You will pay the toll Hitlerite.

[Anonymous No.15469887]

>>15469880
coal is a better power source than nuclear, coal costs less and it produces energy as well as plant food, nuclear only produces overpriced energy waste products that are expensive to care for.

[Anonymous No.15469966]

>>15465710
>points f35 with complete payload at u
its a slow piece of garbage without payload, fully loaded it could be taken down easily by 50 year old jets

[Anonymous No.15469969]

>>15405110
It is. Low carbon levels in the athmosphere kills plant life. Based krauts

[Anonymous No.15470020]

>>15405110
You mean 1% idiot

[Anonymous No.15470195]

ITT: Coal shills out in full force.

[Anonymous No.15470199]

>>15405123
Coal plants release 3-10 times more radiation than nuclear plants

Also you guys said co2 is going to turn Earth to Venus by 2100 if we don't stop doing everything. What changed?

[Anonymous No.15470280]

>>15405394
Based coal poster. Nuclear shills on suicide watch.
Gotta admit, anon, I was not expecting someone to sway me away from nuclear being the answer, but you are putting in work in this thread.

[Anonymous No.15471113]

>>15470280
reinventing the wheel when you already have a perfectly good working solution is always a waste of time. low iq soientists are always drawn to the idea of stealing preexisting ideas because they are too low iq to engage in creative thinking and make something new of their own.

[Anonymous No.15471147]

>>15471113
Are you the coal poster?

[Anonymous No.15471877]

>>15470020
either way, its 0% now

[Anonymous No.15472418]

>>15405110
BC the government is retarded

[Anonymous No.15472635]

>the big oil shills have now turned around from false flagging for renewables right back to shilling for fossil fuels
fascinating, i get that cheap energy is anithesis to the ruling class but goddamn

[Anonymous No.15472921]

>>15471877
good, the whole idea of "green energy" is a farce. a kilowatt hour is a kilowatt hour, there aren't fancier or more exclusive ones

[Anonymous No.15472990]

>>15405110
What we call nuclear power is simply a big budget parlour trick and long running fraud. Think of it as a ground based moon landings. Due to the nature of this fraud, producing a given quantity of NP will always consume more energy than is yielded; a deception that is no longer profitable without cheap Russian gas.

[Anonymous No.15473125]

>>15472990
Explain this take more.

[Anonymous No.15473283]

>>15473125
>How

[Anonymous No.15473802]

>>15469887
nuclear is just fancy, overpriced sºyence toy. it is a excellent compact power source in boats, thats where it should be applied. and its a shame freeman dysons' project orion was canceled, we'd have been to mars and back hundreds of times with nuclear powered spacecraft.

[Anonymous No.15473808]

>>15405515
Arrogant and retarded, great combo

[Anonymous No.15473810]

>>15405394
False

[Anonymous No.15474262]

>>15405123
4th generation nuclear reactors will be able to recycle waste, also putting nuclear waste in barrels is way better than producing more CO2

[Anonymous No.15474716]

>>15474262
>nuclear power will be better than coal real soon!!
>two weeks!!!
sames tale has been told for half a century, still never happened. even if did, nuclear still wouldn't be able to produce valuable CO2 as a beneficial side effect of power generation

[Anonymous No.15474751]

>>15407980
>causes problems comparable to coal.
Since it's invention, fission power is at worst held responsible for several thousand deaths total.
Coal is thought to kill several million people every year.
More land has been rendered uninhabitable or heavily polluted by coal.
In both total and proportional figures, both short and long term consequences, coals negative effects have been worse for people and ecosystems.
People are correct in pointing out the double standards, regardless of the feasibility of nuclear power in general.

[Anonymous No.15474761]

>>15405123
bury it you stupid nigger
it's literally not worth the effort of "MaKiNg HaRmLeSs"
if you want to be a sperg you can just build thorium reactors, you can just reprocess the waste

Or
you can realise that most nuclear waste is just dirt or compacted hazmat suits encased in concrete. it's literally not an issue in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.15474777]

Solar is the only hope as retards will still cling on to oil. Even Musk started shilling for oil to preserve the status quo.

[Anonymous No.15475269]

>>15474761
plants will bury the CO2 on their own, we don't need to do anything. plants eat CO2 and grow roots, half their mass is below ground. the roots are made of CO2 and solar energy

[Anonymous No.15475394]

>>15472921
>there aren't fancier or more exclusive ones
On the German power market you can literally buy """green""" power.
Effectively you get the same "power mix" either way, but you will feel better afterwards.

[Anonymous No.15475402]

>>15474751
>Since it's invention, fission power is at worst held responsible for several thousand deaths total.
For Fukushima the so-called experts have tended to include all ~100k tsunami deaths.
If you work like that, you get the numbers you need to ruin life for human kind for your personal financial benefit.

[Anonymous No.15475458]

>>15405110
What is your proposed solution to the problem of permanent storage of nuclear materials?
Nuclear power is literally never cost-effective without MASSIVE government subsidies and with a war on the continent and Russia officially saying that if it came to it, Germany would be a first target, it is not just about energy, but a bigger picture kind of thing. Coupled with the fact that there were only 3 plants left, Germany really does not need nuclear power, especially after the investments into renewables started paying off.

Sucks for Bavaria though, as they refused to build powerlines capable of bringing the free offshore electricity from the German north to them. There is currently a discussion on the fringes of German politics about different pricing zones because of that, and as a northener, I am completely fine with the Bavarians paying through the nose for voting for retarded conservatives who fucked up their state.

[Anonymous No.15475461]

>>15462090
now show the graph with a reasonable timeframe, i.e. from the beginning of recordings.

[Anonymous No.15475463]

>>15465003
>they use the same water from the rivers you drink
It’s pretty clear you drank too much river water, because that’s not where potable water comes from in developed nations

[Anonymous No.15475487]

>>15405248
>contaminated with neutrons
low effort bait

[Anonymous No.15475534]

>>15475461
atmospheric CO2 in 2015 was 5% less than it is currently. if CO2 were really the super powerful greenhouse gas that you and your ilk insist that it is then there would be an unmistakable warming trend over the course of a 5% increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.
heres what the temperatures did during a 13% increase in CO2. once again, no measurable temperature increase. it is readily apparent that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas, the people who insist that it is are obviously wrong.

[Anonymous No.15475621]

I like molten salt reactors, they show a lot of promise, I’m glad they are getting developed in many different countries across the world now.

[Anonymous No.15476201]

>>15475463
>It’s pretty clear you drank too much river water, because that’s not where potable water comes from in developed nations
>He thinks the fluoridation poisoning faculties in these "developed nations" pulls the water from some magical etheric vacuum

Protip: They don't care about you enough to drill wells and last time I checked that's where the radon and uranium is most abundant.

[Anonymous No.15476211]

>>15475461
That is a reasonable timeframe. And the cutoff is not arbitrary.
It's the maximum time frame for which no increase in temperatures can be derived from the numbers.

We are currently at least in a phase, where there is no global warming and that is DESPITE us being in the "business as usual"-scenario for CO2-emissions (pic related).
Which strongly indicates that something is not working like what politicians and activists tell us "TEH SCIENCE" says. Maybe the general "consensus" proclaimed by the media, that allows no objections, because only "climate-deniers" (literal Nazis) would do that, is wrong?
I don't think it's wrong to lower the consumption of fossil fuels, but maybe we should stop listening to people making a living from instilling fear with the people. "Climate cult" is far from an exaggeration at this point.

[Anonymous No.15476358]

>>15475534
>13% increase in CO2
>no measurable increase in temperature
looks like CO2 isn't a greenhouse gas after all

[Anonymous No.15477287]

>>15476358
If CO2 were as strong a greenhouse gas as they're saying it is then increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 13% would result in higher temperatures.

[Anonymous No.15478221]

>>15475394
>but you will feel better afterwards.
but you will be poorer afterwards.

[Anonymous No.15479026]

>>15477287
>increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere by 13%
CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere, the overall greenhouse effect on Earth is only worth about 30ºK in total. Attributing any substantial portion of that 30ºK to a gas that is only 0.04% of the atmosphere is lunacy

[Anonymous No.15480033]

>>15479026
CO2 would have to be 8250% stronger than any other greenhouse gas to even cause 1ºK of global warming. The climate science experts already admit that water vapor is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, so global warming being caused by CO2 is ruled out by their own logic

[Anonymous No.15480046]

>>15480033
Why would scientists be so dishonest? I thought science was about truth.

[Anonymous No.15480776]

>>15480033
Water vapor is generally about 800% more prevalent in the atmosphere than CO2. If water vapor is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 and its a larger part of the atmosphere then that puts a hard limit on the fraction of the greenhouse effect that can be attributed to CO2

[Anonymous No.15481163]

>>15471877
You misunderstand because i was not clear
The 1% was for carbon intensity
~40 grams/kwh increase is only 1% of ~400g/kwh

[Anonymous No.15481999]

>>15480776
water vapor is 100s of times more potent than co2 as a greenhouse gas, its mathematically impossible for co2 to be causing global warm

[Anonymous No.15482766]

>>15480046
thats not what science is really about

[Anonymous No.15483738]

>>15405110
germany is based, global warming shills should just be ignored

[Anonymous No.15484610]

>>15483738
How many cows has Germany sacrificed to the climate gods?

[Anonymous No.15485424]

>>15483738
If you just ignore shills, the shills will still fool stupider people than you and still end up causing trouble. The shills need to be isolated to locations where only other shills exist and not allowed to leave or communicate with the outside world.

[Anonymous No.15486498]

>>15484610
six million

[Anonymous No.15486764]

>>15475458
Bavarians are based, you are jelly

[Anonymous No.15487799]

>>15480033
Water vapor is the only greenhouse gas thats worth considering. CO2 has no effect on our atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15488649]

>>15486764
Bavaria is the Florida of Germany. Literally the most backward state that has failed to enact the separation of church and state.

[Anonymous No.15488656]

>>15488649
I thought you said there was something wrong with Bavaria. All of those are great.

[Anonymous No.15488665]

>>15488656
If you are a dimwitted retard, sure. If your IQ is 3 digits, absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.15488670]

>>15488665
Oh ok you're trolling nevermind.

[Anonymous No.15488680]

>>15488670
I am not. Democracy > Religion, and if you don’t understand this, there is no hope for you

[Anonymous No.15488682]

>>15488649
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15489395]

>>15488649
>the most backward state
That would be Berlin, and that by far.
I'm from neither state, but it's quite ridiculous what kind of nonsense the Berlin-controlled media have been spewing across the nation.
Fortunately, it doesn't appear to work with the average guy, but I wouldn't be surprised, if those Berlin-controlled media ultimately resulted in this nation breaking apart.

[Anonymous No.15489429]

>>15405110
>how was this supposed to help save the environment again?
Its supposed to make goyim poor
Thats it
>>15405123
>Dig into a mountain
>Drill LONG vertical shafts downwards
>Throw waste in
>Pour concrete over
Simple as

[Anonymous No.15489581]

>>15489395
I don’t even count Berlin any more, as it is such a shit hole. And yeah, the Berlin-centered media is full on in the pockets of the conservatives. No one ever dares argue against the bullshit austerity doctrines, trickle-down economics or the Schwäbische Hausfrau.
It is beyond me how someone like Lindner can drive this country against the wall at full speed while being the smallest part of the government coalition.

[Anonymous No.15489626]

>>15489581
Are those "conservative" Berlin-media people in the same room as us right now?

[Anonymous No.15489643]

>>15405248
>No, pseud. Creating toxic radioactive time bombs is a really, really terrible solution.
>radioactive time bombs with a timer of 400 million years

[Anonymous No.15489646]

the fact of the matter is that nuclear reactors require expertise, handmaking, and an understanding of energy beauty
all of these things have been lost from modern scientists and governments that teenage children who understand it more recover radium and build it themselves

[Anonymous No.15489672]

>>15489626
you do realize that the Green Party is pretty conservative, right? They’re not right-wing conservative, but they try to conserve a LOT.

As far as the ÖRR reporting: It’s all neoliberal bullshit that they propagate. It has almost all been debunked and disproven but if Lindner, Merz or Söder get in front of a mic, they will just happily air that shit and not even comment on it (or dare tell those fucks that they are dead wrong on many issues).

[Anonymous No.15489867]

>>15488680
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15489924]

>>15489672
>Green Party
>conservative
They are anything but.
They are the most destructive political force in Germany at the moment.
If any party deserved a ban for anti-constitutionalism (I don't think, there is.), then it would be them.

[Anonymous No.15490648]

>>15489924
hahaha oh wow, ppl who claim to speak for mother nature are really just ppl who are using environmentalism as a mask for their authoritarian desires? how incredibly shocking and unexpected

[Anonymous No.15490864]

>>15490648
>Climate disruption
We are already at "Climate crisis". Everyone is going to die, if you don't act according to our demands! >>>/wsg/5124873
Anyone who objects, is a "Nazi" and "against 'the science'".
I wouldn't dare to object in real life anymore. It's far too dangerous, no matter what actually is the case.
Some extremist will believe it's the "right thing" to kill you, to "protect the planet".

[Anonymous No.15491841]

>>15405110
The fact that they would do this pretty much proves that global warming isn't an important issue

[Anonymous No.15491869]

>>15405586
You realized all of the nuclear waste the US has produced since it started using nuclear power could fit into a single walmart. Just bury it in a salt mine. Holy fuck you are uninformed, you been watching way to much Hollywood movies.

[Anonymous No.15491875]

>>15407980
>muh meltdowns
Literally only 4000 people died from Chernobyl, no deaths from Fukushima, Three Mile, no deaths. Meanwhile over 1 million deaths from coal. Many more form cobalt and lithium mining as well.

[Anonymous No.15491879]

>>15491875
>Meanwhile over 1 million deaths from coal.
You're counting the historical total of mining accidents or something, right? Because that's very disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.15491896]

>>15491879
Coal is far more dangerous then nuclear energy, I live near a coal mine and black dust covers my vehicle everytime I go on the highway, you cant eat the fish from river due to selenium poisoning. It's disgusting. Miners die every year in accidents and suffer horrible disease later on in life. I would much rather live near a nuclear power plant or nuclear waste. I'm not terrified of radiation like you, it's literally everywhere all the time.

[Anonymous No.15491930]

>>15452784
Let's see how comfortable that guy is living in that greenhouse 24/7

[Anonymous No.15492445]

>>15491930
he spends most of his waking life in greenhouses, thats his chosen profession.

[Anonymous No.15493714]

>>15491896
stop telling hysterical lies, coal is just fine

[Anonymous No.15493715]

>>15491896
>I'm not terrified of radiation like you
I'm not terrified of radiation, but you seem terrified of coal. You're just a hysterical hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.15494470]

>>15489924
>They are the most destructive political force in Germany at the moment.
Are you fucking retarded? How?
The most destructive political force is the AfD, closely followed by Christian Lindner with his fucking idiotic austerity policy (which is just objectively wrong). The Green party, judging by their actions in office, seems to be the only party in the entire German political landscape that has any interest of keeping Germany on the map in terms of being an economical powerhouse.

The only way to see the greens as the worst political force is if you deny the mountains of evidence for climate change, demographic changes, etc., but only drooling, inbred right-wingers would do that.

[Anonymous No.15494482]

>>15494470
>the mountains of evidence for climate change
its all fake

[Anonymous No.15494485]

>>15494482
Alright, this discussion is over now. Don’t have time to deal with flat Earth type troglodytes such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.15494572]

>>15405561
And that's why you are fine with dumping all that shit into the atmosphere, instead of at least having the chance to store it properly?
The risk management of greens is so fucked up.

Btw: I'm german and I hate my goverment.

[Anonymous No.15494630]

>>15494470
The Greens try to make production in Germany effectively impossible by raising prices locally to uneconomical levels.
Since they obviously can't force China, India, Vietnam and the likes to make production equivalently impossibly expensive, that means companies flee.
Additionally the average German citizen is slowly degrading to Merrifat levels of retardation due to uncontrolled immigration, state-financed rabbit-like procreation among the migrant population and an absolutely indefensibly bad education system, that mostly appears to be about punishing "white supremacist" "wrong-think" like 1+1=2.

The Greens as a whole are largely the current-day bourgeoisie of Germany. They feel extremely bad about themselves and in order to feel better, they try to educate the average guy about what a fucking piece of shit he actually is.
"Frequent flier miles for me, the climate-crisis aware good person, but not for thee, the climate-denier that spends his vacation in his allotment among his Nazi-friends."

[Anonymous No.15494641]

>>15494572
>dumping all that shit into the atmosphere
CO2 is plant food, its good for all living creatures on this planet. Everything ultimately depends on plants to eat

[Anonymous No.15494643]

>>15494641
And whats about the arsenic, lead, thallium, mercury and undoubtedly a lot of other toxic stuff?

[Anonymous No.15494688]

>>15405110
Link please

[Anonymous No.15494691]

>>15405126
The green party did nit took over. She is a coaltion with the SPD and the FDP.

Stop saying one sided bullshit. All parties are to blame. Oh and not only these three..

[Anonymous No.15494819]

Nuclear waste is the biggest nothingburger ever.

>>15409850
Unironically viable. Reminder that most nuclear accident sites underwater are "surprisingly" stable. And that's accidents. People don't understand that nuclear waste is not some green glowing liquid, it's a dense chunk of metal further stabilized in ceramics or glass. Even if the container somehow disappears, that thing is not going anywhere. If you're so paranoid, put in the subduction zone or just no oxygen areas, and you're set. Oh and have equipment at hand to take them back because you're going to need them anyway. Most of it isn't even waste.

If anything, this means nuclear is the energy where the waste is most easily managed. It's a very low volume of dense solid. It's funny people trying to come up with CO2 storage and shit when nuclear already comes with storage.

>>15465003
>HURR LETS PUT IT IN BARRELS AND BURY IT!
Completely fine BTW. It's literally where is came from. If one is so paranoid, just with oil drilling equipment you can easily drill to places you know it's 99.999% going into magma in whatever years, and lower capsules there.

>>15413789
In my shithole city I unironically suffer from air pollution.

>>15474716
Don't worry CO2-schizo, the abundant energy thanks to nuclear will only make it easier for you to release more CO2.

[Anonymous No.15495840]

Let's go on here
>>15495803

[Anonymous No.15496335]

Now Germany doesn't have to depend on Russia for energy. If they were nuclear, they'd have to support the unprovoked invasion of sovereign democratic Ukraine by buying reactor fuel from rosatom. Now they can get gas from America instead