muh peer review

[Anonymous No.15346241]

>Eric Stewart, who left his $190,000-a-year job, has had five of his six studies taken down after allegations that he fabricated information by altering sample sizes. Though Stewart has denied these allegations, his sixth study, conducted in 2020, drew the attention of an FSU committee, who gathered to discuss Stewart’s findings, per the Daily Mail.
...
> However, four additional articles by Stewart, published between 2006 and 2015, were taken down by Florida State University. The university reportedly carried out a three-person inquiry into Stewart’s dealings. Stewart went on to say that Pickett “lynched me and my academic career.”
...
> Pickett noted that there is a “huge monetary incentive” to fabricate data, and there is “no accountability.” He said that there was only a tiny chance that anyone who does this would be caught.

https://humanevents.com/2023/04/12/black-fsu-professor-resigns-in-disgrace-amid-allegations-he-faked-data-on-commonality-of-racism-had-6-papers-retracted

[Anonymous No.15346243]

Yeah it's totally worthless and this people will never be real scientists, you can't make white out of black, they are not smart they never will be, no authority will change that

[Anonymous No.15346262]

>>15346241
data authenticity is a white man's social construct, oppressively imposed on black academics to keep them down.

[Anonymous No.15346548]

>>15346262
this, brotha

[Anonymous No.15346559]

Ah the things we do to save the world.
That professor did nothing wrong.
If neo nazis won't spray paint a swastika, you have to do it yourself.

I can't believe nazis are so bad at being racist that the black professor had to fake the data

[Anonymous No.15347154]

>>15346559
everything in academia is fake
none of the academics have an conscience about being dishonest and manipulative, they take pride in doing so.

[Anonymous No.15347167]

>>15347154
>this is cool and could be useful!
vs
>this will get grant approval from a government or foundation bureaucrat

[Anonymous No.15347226]

>>15347167
>don't blame these hoplessly greedy leeches for their lack of conscience, they have no will of their own
i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq, but you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life

[Anonymous No.15347274]

>>15347226
>you're saying they're the intellectual equivalent of plant life
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15347394]

>>15347226
Being intelligent and educated does not equal having strong principles.
You can easily justify using your ability to game the system and be a leech. Why would you not do that?

[Anonymous No.15347444]

>>15346262
>data authenticity is a white man's social construct
unironically this

[Anonymous No.15347450]

>>15346241
Apparently these accusations were already happening 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/FfzlS5vS314

[Anonymous No.15347457]

>>15346241
get paid 200k to do social science bullshit.
I fucking hate this system so much /sci/bros.

[Anonymous No.15347849]

deeper and in more fields than you think
https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/96ce/5_Hillman.pdf

[Anonymous No.15347877]

>>15347450
As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes.
I wonder where we will be when there is no shared moral framework remaining...

[Anonymous No.15348004]

>>15346262
we wuz data kangz

[Anonymous No.15348009]

>>15347877
Stop trolling. Pastafarianism is obviously the answer. Belief in supernatural food is the only way to be moral and unite society.

[Anonymous No.15348012]

>>15346262
>data authenticity is a white man's social construct
It's a joke but it's true

[Anonymous No.15348016]

>>15346241
is this "Racism" in the room with is right now?

[Anonymous No.15348058]

Now what about the big journals?

[Anonymous No.15348259]

>>15347877
> As christianity wanes the expectation of truth and honesty vanishes.
This unironically. Without the universalism of Christianity there is a splintering of humanity where scientific publications become about bolstering your legacy and your tribe against other people and their tribes.

[Anonymous No.15348406]

[Anonymous No.15348425]

>>15348009
I love seeing fedoratards from 10 years ago coping with what's going on today
Here it is, a Godless society! This is what you wanted, a rational society where science rules, why aren't you happy?

[Anonymous No.15348469]

>>15348425
>implying morals didn't exist in non-christian societies ever
how retarded are you

[Anonymous No.15348479]

>>15348012
It is true, everyone knows it's true. The basic argument is that they should get positions in science anyway, mostly for the money, but also because they intentionally want to subvert and destroy as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.15348494]

>>15348469
the scientific method was developed exclusively by christians and for christians. outsiders have proven themselves time and again of being entirely incapable of faithfully executing it

[Anonymous No.15348502]

>>15348425
>rational society
Where?

[Anonymous No.15348515]

>>15348494
>the scientific method was developed exclusively by christians and for christians
*laughs in ancient greek*

i dont blame you though, the records were probably lost in one of the many books your religion burned

[Anonymous No.15348550]

>>15348515
Your prejudice against Christian theology will always prevent you from adhering to the scientific method

[Anonymous No.15348687]

>>15348515
>*laughs in ancient greek*
You're aware they didn't have any science right? Aristotle's "physics" was just philosophy. No math models, no predictions of dynamic objects (and incorrect ones if you took it literally), no true method for obtaining systematic knowledge. Everything else is cope by historians so obsessed with finding "firsts" that they neglect any and all technical meaning of what they were searching for. That's how you end up with midwits declaring scratches on bones to be proof of "math" being a 100k year old invention.

Science is only 800 years old, and between Bacon and Newton there was no physics except for unrelated predictive astronomical modelling by Copernicus, Galileo etc.

And no, "science" does not mean "knowledge". Science is short for "modern science", which was explicitly developed to reject most of the worthless and superstitious knowledge found in the more delusional corners of Alchemy and non-IE philosophies. It was indeed developed by the Christians of Western and Central Europe, and based on their system of the world. To this day, the uninitiated still fail to understand, except for having the vague idea of material benefits it provides.

[Anonymous No.15348719]

>>15348515
Empiricists in Ancient Greece were few and far between. The problem is with you retards who think science is all about daydreaming up advanced theories about how things work that are "known" to be "correct" because of how "beautiful" the math is, even though you've neglected to check back in with reality and test your theories to see if they actually worked. Aka Platonism, which is 99% of what the Greeks ever did, and is what string theorists do today.

[Anonymous No.15349095]

>>15348550
>>15348687
>>15348719
>all those words of coping
go worship your zombie jew, christcucks

[Anonymous No.15349113]

>>15349095
You will never be an empiricist. Pagan platonism will never take you to the Moon.

[Anonymous No.15349125]

>>15347226
>i thought academics were all supposed to be super high iq
Maybe 60 years ago. At this point, I wouldn't expect to find any that are high IQ outside of math, chemistry, physics, engineering, and compsci. And even within those fields the percentage is dropping every year.

[Anonymous No.15349166]

>>15346241
Oh, a black guy exaggerated racism. Wow! Stop the presses and ignore all peer reviewed science! (Never mind that an attempted peer review is apparently how he got caught.)

Idiots.

[Anonymous No.15349244]

>>15346243
nignog here, i can confirm this, been struggling to publish even one paper after 4 years in my phd program

i just can't focus enough to write anything smart or useful or novel

[Anonymous No.15349269]

>>15349113
>moving the goalpost from "church invented soience" to "you will never be an empiricist"
you will never be a real philosopher
christian theology is glorified astrology
christian history is glorified fanfiction

[Anonymous No.15349286]

>>15346262
>>15347444
>implying
No, this nog is just late to the party

http://mathsci.free.fr/survey.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801000035X
https://research.tilburguniversity.edu/en/publications/the-dangers-of-unsystematic-selection-methods-and-the-representat

[Anonymous No.15349321]

>>15349286
>H.L.J. (Han) van der Maas
what an honorary sub-saharan african

[Anonymous No.15349412]

>>15349269
>"church invented soience"
I never said that. What I said was this: >>15348719

[Anonymous No.15349508]

>>15349166
He got caught because his (white) co-author blew the whistle, and even then it took 12 years for him to get fired.

[Anonymous No.15349513]

>>15349269
>>you will never be a real philosopher
oh no, anything but that

[Anonymous No.15349573]

>>15349095
>t. Finally read Aristotle for once in his life and found out I was right

Hurts doesn't it? It hurt for me as well.

[Anonymous No.15349887]

>>15349573
Repeating yourself doesn't make you any more right than arbitrarily restricting the definition of science to fit your argument, cucko.

>>15349412
see above

[Anonymous No.15349890]

>>15349887
>arbitrarily
Everything predating the Scientific revolution has always been called Natural Philosophy. I am being very precise in my use of the term. You are having an ESL moment.

[Anonymous No.15349892]

>>15349513
>he thinks empiricism is above philosophy
do christcucks really?
same christcucks that couldnt accept empirical evidence that earth revolves around the sun?
lmao you guys change your opinion with the trend, pretend you came up with them, then expect to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.15349894]

>>15349890
oh no its been called by another name that means it is definitely something else

nice argument retard

[Anonymous No.15349896]

>>15349887
Show me the Greek empiricists doing real science. There should be lots of them, right?

[Anonymous No.15349901]

>>15349892
>my argument is calling you names over and over
lol

[Anonymous No.15349907]

>>15349896
>real science
meaning what - formalism made by your christcuck heroes?
aristotle created the scientific method and you already know that so youre either pretending be retarded or have some retarded definition of """real""" science in your christcuck mind

>>15349901
learn to read between the insults retardinho, you're on 4chan

[Anonymous No.15349908]

>>15349892
Hey fuckwit, he's not the one talking about empiricism, I am >>15348719 >>15349113 . I'm not talking about christianity either, I'm talking about your claim of the ancient Greeks doing science >>15348515. Vanishingly few of them were doing science, they were all lost up their own asses wanking it to the mystical implications of geometry and similar platonic horse shit. If you aren't doing empirical experiments to test your theories, then you aren't doing science.

[Anonymous No.15349909]

>>15349907
You can't even keep the people you're trying to talk to straight.

[Anonymous No.15349910]

>>15349908
>again arbitrarily restricting the definition of scientific method to fit your apriori chosen conclusion
typical christcuck revisionism

[Anonymous No.15349913]

>>15349909
use a tripcode if it bothers you faggot

[Anonymous No.15349917]

>>15349910
>experimentation is arbitrary
Experimentation is the very essence of science. Experimentation, trying things to see if the work, separates the wheat from the chaff. If you refuse experimentation, you are worse than a witch doctor.

[Anonymous No.15349927]

>>15346241
What should the actual punishment for intentionally fabricating scientific experimental results be?

[Anonymous No.15349929]

>>15349917
>nobody ever did experiments before christcucks
experiments nothing more than observations in controlled environment you colossal brainlet and people did them from the beginning of civilization

[Anonymous No.15349940]

>if I call them christcucks ten more times I'll definitely win the argument

[Anonymous No.15350052]

>>15348425
Do you seriously think I'm joking about the FSM? He exists, he is real, and we need him to guide our morals. Objective truth doesn't even exist unless you believe in the FSM. Our belief in him will unite us, creating a moral society free from the divison you see in ridiculous belief systems like christianity. Without pastafarianism, society will collaspse. Thats why you see gender ideology when pastafarianism is absent, like at universities.

[Anonymous No.15350294]

>>15346241
nigs gonna nig
but this is literally "He fabricated data, instead of fabricating an observation that just supports a thesis"

[Anonymous No.15350356]

I feel bad for the competent blacks just trying to be responsible like a sane human. So much of the surrounding culture is hyperfocused on race and victimization. It wouldn't surprise me if this is all because of the threat of Occupy. The entrenched powers put their energies into fostering this kind of divisive ideology as a means of ideological judo.

The major confounding factors to the SJ narrative is that black people tend to have lower average IQ, and not that much of their culture is explicitly academic or intellectual, so it shouldn't be surprising they underperform in universities and the high tech economy. This could be due to generational stress and trauma, epigenetics, various forms of psyops, or simply divergent population genetics. It's almost certainly a combination of all the different factors, though the relative weights are not easily knowable.

[Anonymous No.15350360]

>>15350356
Shut the fuck up worthless talentless schizophrenic leftoid trash

[Anonymous No.15350362]

>>15350360
>ad hom
That means you lost. Sorry you got triggered. Do you want to go back to your safe space?

[Anonymous No.15350373]

>>15350362
If I insult you beat you up and you are still scientifically wrong it means you have triple-lost.
You should aknowledge the embarrassment worthless trash

[Anonymous No.15350390]

>>15350373
If you verbal abuse and resort to voilence over not understanding something, you are an ape. You are the woke evergreen retard resorting to rioting because charles murray was going to give a talk at a university. You are fundamentally the same. You won't be able to self-reflect. You are not capable of it. You will stick to your safe space where you will never improve your beliefs or allow yourself to get offended. I would push you until you are forced to challenge yourself, but if you ever actually thought critically about your beliefs you'd probably end up suicidal due to cognitive dissonance and emotional immaturity.

[Anonymous No.15350403]

>>15350390
Didn't read, skill issue, cope

[Anonymous No.15350494]

>>15346241
Turns out we actually solved racism back in the 90s and the only people keeping it going are kikes.

[Anonymous No.15350528]

>>15350390
>verbal abuse
Sorry you were abused

[Anonymous No.15350618]

>>15346241
Why are you saying 'muh peer review' when it worked how it was suppose to in this case and his studies were eventually proven fraudulent when thoroughly examined by his peers? How can you say there is no accountability when he is literally being held accountable for his fabrications because of peer review?

[Anonymous No.15350621]

>>15350618
Because peer review didn't work. It took an outsider with an axe to grind to criticize him publicly, meanwhile he was published by "peer reviewed" journals who didn't catch the obvious fraud.

[Anonymous No.15350626]

>>15350621
>It took an outsider
Not according to the OP where it says he was audited by an internal FSU committee rather than an outsider, you fabricator.

[Anonymous No.15350632]

>>15350621
>>15350621
Also the guy who whistleblew, Picket, was his Co-author on an earlier paper, a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word, who brought the fabrications to the attention of the school and committee, not an outsider at all, you fraud.

[Anonymous No.15350633]

>>15350626
He was audited because a co-author and colleague of his called BS on his paper and demanded the college investigate, which it took almost a decade for them to actually get around to doing. In fact they covered for him from 2011 until 2020 when the same colleague came after him again for another fraudulent paper.

[Anonymous No.15350635]

>>15350632
He was a co-author on a 2011 paper that Stewart edited against his wishes, which still managed to pass peer review and withstand criticism despite the original data being published publicly. 9 years later he finally got in trouble for another paper which Pickett wasn't related to at all.

[Anonymous No.15350640]

>>15350632
>a literal peer in the most strict sense of the word
Confirmed for not having any idea what peer review is kek. "Peer review" isn't done by your peers, it's done by gatekeepers in a journal. If you publish in a multidisciplinary journal there's a good chance one or more of your reviewers isn't even from the area you're publishing in. They have their own hand-picked gatekeepers and you'll be lucky if they're actually people at the cutting edge of the field.

[Anonymous No.15350644]

>>15350633
>>15350635
All I am hearing is that the peer review process worked in weeding out his fraud and you think 9 years is a really really really really really really really really really long time.

[Anonymous No.15350646]

>>15350640
Corporate gatekeeping of information is the news business, not the peer review step of the scientific method, you are the one who is confused.

[Anonymous No.15350647]

>>15350644
>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud
>journal publishes and fails to retract despite evidence from co-author
>man makes 190k/yr churning out fraud for 9 years
>only punishment is having to change jobs

[Anonymous No.15350649]

>>15350646
>the peer review step of the scientific method
kek this is good bait

[Anonymous No.15350656]

>>15350647
>>peer review fails to identify obvious fraud
It didn't though, OP posted the article specifically because the peer review process identified fraud that led to 6 papers being retracted by the university.

[Anonymous No.15350658]

>>15350656
Peer review is the PC term for the gatekeeping journals do before publication. It doesn't literally mean review by your peers.

[Anonymous No.15350667]

>>15350658
No, it literally means review by your peers and has existed for centuries, well before corporate journals existed as toll collecting gatekeepers.

[Anonymous No.15350802]

>>15349244
>nignog here

[Anonymous No.15351469]

>>15350802
you seem upset

[Anonymous No.15351479]

>>15350667
>Existed for centuries
Of course you make stuff up and even after viewing my comment will think yourself to be right

[Anonymous No.15351512]

>>15351479
peer review is a maoist struggle session against dissenters who refuse to
t r u s t
t h e
s o y e n c e

[Anonymous No.15351530]

>>15349894
Yes, it literally does you uneducated dolt. Especially when the discipline was founded precisely to destinguish it from the another one.

[Anonymous No.15351844]

>>15349910
>i hate christians
bigotry & prejudice
christians invented antibiotics, airplanes & electricity, do you enjoy your ingratitude while using those?
non-christians invented gay anal sex, do you enjoy that?

[Anonymous No.15351879]

>>15351844
nooooo now he's gonna call us christcuck another twenty times :((

[Anonymous No.15351917]

>>15351844
No really smart person in history was genuinly christian. Of course if you point a gun at them and force them to say they are dumb enough to believe in magic they will say yes, but all of the scientific advancements have mostly been made by atheists. It has been shown again and again that top scientists don't believe in magically creatures with zero evidence is existing, which is obvious if you're not retarded.
Christians are just child abusers who push their delusions onto children because they can't handle their cognitive dissonance. Cope, seeth, and dialte groomer.

[Anonymous No.15351937]

>>15346241
As a human, I express concern about the allegations against Eric Stewart. The situation emphasizes the importance of research integrity and the need for transparency and accountability in academic research. It's unfortunate that these incidents can have a negative impact on the trust people place in scientific findings, as the vast majority of researchers conduct their work honestly and diligently.
I would also mention that while it's essential to address such cases and investigate them thoroughly, it's important not to rush to judgment until all the evidence has been reviewed. If the allegations are confirmed, it would be crucial to reevaluate the research environment and implement measures to prevent similar incidents in the future.

[Anonymous No.15352189]

>>15351917
you probably wouldn't be alive today with antibiotics, shameless ingrate. your attraction to atheism is because you feel entitled lead your life amorally and selfishly. you'll invent any lie you can to justify that, you'll never do anything decent for anyone other than yourself, the antibiotics which saved your life time and again were worse than wasted, the rest of us would be better off without you.

[Anonymous No.15352302]

>>15352189
>you'll invent any lie you can to justify that
Says the airhead who, as an adult, still believes in literal magic deities.
Your entire life is coping for the fact that your god doesn't exist. Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.15353543]

>>15352302
>Smart people disagree with you because you're wrong.
you disagree
your self assigned high iq is just a grandiose delusion, you don't have any evidence to justify your delusion, lots of stupid people think that they're smart, dumb people get things wrong all the time

[Anonymous No.15354267]

>>15353543
Its been well verified over and over that religious people tend to have lower intelligence. Your inability to reason apparently goes beyond your belief of fictional characters being real. You'll jerk off to the thought that blacks have lower iqs, but when it comes to another verified iq difference between groups, you can't handle it. Your offended, and you need to retreat into your safe space. Go back to church, were you'll be surrounded by other retards who believe mythology is reality.
This is a science board, and we are discussing iq differences between groups. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.

[Anonymous No.15354365]

>>15350646
>the peer review step of the scientific method,
You fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.15354376]

>>15354365
Holy shit the guy you quoted is a retarded worthless college children piece of shit

[Anonymous No.15354461]

>>15349244
that's most people nowadays. They're carried to a PhD by a good advisor or collaboration with a professor, then quickly fall out of the rat race for tenure. They go on to teach at community colleges in the middle of nowhere and half heartedly struggle to publish anything of note for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous No.15354537]

>>15349125
theres nobody high iq in any of those fields, STEM is just a status symbol for people who falsely claim to be intellectually superior but have no legitimate means of demonstrating it.
>b-b-but muh memorized formulas and factoids
useless
high iq people would be able to figure out a legitimate use for their knowledge other than publishing papers nobody reads, stemfags can't accomplish that

[Anonymous No.15354589]

What do y'all expect him to do? The demand for white supremacist racism far outstrips the supply. Do you expect him to go work for McDonald's instead of academia just because society won't supply him with the racism he needs for his data?

[Anonymous No.15354631]

>>15346241
he dindu nuffin, he was a good boi doing science and shiet.

[Anonymous No.15354635]

>>15349244
I have this same problem, but I'm White. The IQ pill is demoralizing and tough to swallow, I'm thinking about just being a tradie.

[Anonymous No.15354645]

>>15349894
It was a means to accurately describe how the world works, now it's just a political weapon. All of the best science has already been done, we're just along for the decline of science as an institution.

[Anonymous No.15354672]

>>15350646
>theres no gatekeeping in muh scientific journals
>reviewers would never have an agenda to protect a political narrative because muh science comes FIRST
I remember undergrad

[Anonymous No.15355719]

It is quite funny how much emphasis of placed on peer review and how almost nobody bother with replication. It really is just information control to keep the grants flowing to chosen theories people have invested their careers in

[Anonymous No.15355729]

>>15346262
Is that why MLK is still considered some fantastic guy by many people despite plagiarizing his thesis in *checks notes* theology?

[Anonymous No.15355741]

>>15355729
das rite

[Anonymous No.15355898]

>>15354589
How can I profit from this supply & demand imbalance

[Anonymous No.15356591]

>>15355898
If you're white, grow a mullet and charge appearance fees to show up places wearing klan robes or a confederate flag.

[Anonymous No.15356596]

Sometimes ppl ask where do those drama and acting school students with 300k student loans end up?
>>15356591 is where they end up

[Anonymous No.15358451]

>>15355729
His "peaceful marches" were every bit as peaceful as BLM was in 2020

[Anonymous No.15358985]

>>15355729
>plagiarizing
it was ghostwritten by a jew like his speeches

[Anonymous No.15361646]

>>15358451
This cartoon once ran on the oped page of The Washington Post, the tale it tells was later swept under the rug an replaced with the current MLK narrative.

[Anonymous No.15362010]

>>15346241
Ph.D. 2000, Iowa State University; Sociology
M.S. 1996, Auburn University; Sociology
B.A. 1995, Fort Valley State University; Criminal Justice

Impressive.

[Anonymous No.15362188]

>>15354267
>Its been well verified over and over that religious people tend to have lower intelligence
Maybe, but religion has nothing to do with believing in higher beings, creator or whatever. If you can't see the obvious frauds that science use to hide the fact that they know nothing either you can't be that smart you pretend to be.

[Anonymous No.15365749]

>>15354267
>Its been well verified over and over that religious people tend to have lower intelligence.
no, exactly the opposite has been verified. all the most important scientific discoveries were made by religious chrisitians. uranus, neptune & pluto were all discovered by chrisitians, no non-christian has ever discovered a planet

[Anonymous No.15365932]

>>15350667
>has existed for centuries

[Anonymous No.15365968]

>>15355898
there has to be a way to arbitrage this

[Checo Perez No.15365992]

>>15350802
that's 95% everyone on 4chan, though
99% if they're from /pol/ or /a/
90% but a bit buffer and fatter if from /fit/

[Anonymous No.15366616]

>>15365968
its a shame theres a shortage, lack of pride in your own type is a shameful feature of moern western civilization and we all know who is responsible for it

[Anonymous No.15366631]

>>15348425
>a rational society where science rules
That isn't what is happening though, it is a money driven society where corruption rules and money is 100% imaginary and debt based now rather than based on anything real and rational. There is a reason they mention god on money, they are both fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.15366633]

>>15348687
>no true method for obtaining systematic knowledge.
They had numerous dialectic methods of synthesizing knowledge from information, of which, science is just one method of many.

[Anonymous No.15366635]

>>15348719
No judging from your conclusion, I can tell you don't know what the words you are using mean and for some reason think empiricism is quantification based rather than sense based like many other sophomoric midwits that have come before you.

[Anonymous No.15366640]

>>15349908
You clearly don't know what empirical means since you seem to think it is entirely dependent on quantified measurement.

[Anonymous No.15366643]

>>15366635
>>15366640
Experimentation does not require quantification, dumbass. Who the fuck said anything about quantifying anything? You, retard.

[Anonymous No.15366647]

>>15351479
>>15365932
Not making shit up, at all, if Plato wasn't being constantly peer reviewed, we wouldn't have funny stories of Diogenes plucking chickens to present to him and last I checked Plato has been dead for centuries and people are still making silly references to plucked chickens.

[Anonymous No.15366649]

>>15351844
No they didn't, ants invented all those things along with intercontinental travel, animal husbandry and sky scrapers.

[Anonymous No.15366650]

>>15366631
>noooooo it wasn't real communism
again and again and again
when are you people going to give up on your absurd, tested & failed, marxist power fantasies
western society was indomitable and functioned immaculately when it clung tightly to chrisitian moral values. separated from those values it falls to pieces quickly. buttsex, porno & weed isn't worth the price you're paying for it

[Anonymous No.15366651]

>>15355719
Replication is part of peer review.

[Anonymous No.15366654]

>>15366643
You did when you kept mentioning empiricism and math in the same breath when they have nothing to do with each other unless you are the kind of typical midwit sophomore that confuses quantification with empiricism.

[Anonymous No.15366658]

>>15366650
You didn't say anything about communism, you said rational society, and a society based almost entirely on passing around drawings of dead guys on fancy paper that doesn't actually represent anything tangible is not rational.

[Anonymous No.15366681]

>>15366654
The Greeks were obsessed with mystical applications of math. Instead of becoming inquisitive observers of the world, most of them got lost up their asses creating geometry cults. The one notable exception is Aristotle, but it hardly caught on. His own followers preferred to take his word as fact rather than apply his methods and investigate the world themselves.

[Anonymous No.15366695]

>>15366681
So physics is just a geometry cult?
Its too bad nobody has heard of this Aristotle fellow and he never had any famous students apply his teachings since his teachings never caught on, if only his teachings survived the ages rather than all these geometry cults.

[Anonymous No.15366715]

>>15366695
When the "physics" you're doing has no grounding in reality, then yeah it's just a math cult.
And Aristotle's influence generally is not his influence specifically with respect to empirical methods. Aristotle asserted the importance of actually observing the world, and did so. His observations were then taught as fact by men who extolled the correctness of Aristotle but didn't bother to carry through. In Ancient Greece, Aristotle failed to create a scientific movement in his wake. His real influence emerged much later.

[Anonymous No.15366731]

>>15366715
Aristotle developed the precursor to scientific inquiry with a methodology that was a fusion of deductive logic and analytic inductive methods that drew upon the socratic and platonic methods of inquiry (that persistent through the Renaissance) known as Aristotelianism that was further developed by Hegel in the 19th century into the modern preferred method of dialectic synthesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotelianism

>generally is not his influence specifically with respect to empirical methods. Aristotle asserted the importance of actually observing the world,
Again showing you don't know what empirical means and are conflating it with quantization since actually observing the world with your senses is the literal definition of empiricism.

[Anonymous No.15366749]

>>15366731
>The original followers of Aristotle were the members of the Peripatetic school. The most prominent members of the school after Aristotle were Theophrastus and Strato of Lampsacus, who both continued Aristotle's researches. During the Roman era, the school concentrated on preserving and defending his work.[1] The most important figure in this regard was Alexander of Aphrodisias who commentated on Aristotle's writings. With the rise of Neoplatonism in the 3rd century, Peripateticism as an independent philosophy came to an end. Still, the Neoplatonists sought to incorporate Aristotle's philosophy within their own system and produced many commentaries on Aristotle.
Oh look, it says what I said.

The discussion isn't about Aristotle's influence on the Islamic and Christian worlds, it's about whether or not science was common in Ancient Greece. Aristotle can fairly be called a scientist, but he was one of few.

[Anonymous No.15366755]

>>15366749
>Oh look, it says what I said.
No, its the exact opposite of what you said, you said he didn't help develop science or engage in empiricism at all, but the immediate precursor to the scientific method was entirely developed by Aristotle and depended entirely on debate of sensory observations between different sensory organisms and we wouldn't have science without Aristotle's contributions.

[Anonymous No.15366761]

>>15366755
>you said he didn't help develop science or engage in empiricism at all,
His followers IN ANCIENT GREECE didn't.

[Anonymous No.15366766]

>>15366761
Yes his followers did because he specifically taught them to follow the principles of Aristotelianism which inherently relied on two different people debating their sensory experience and coming to an agreement which is the process that initiated the development of the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.15369306]

>>15366651
only if you care about science. if you only care about your sinecure then its not needed

[Anonymous No.15369350]

>>15366651
Who told you that? Peer reviewers almost never replicate the experiments of papers they sign off on.

[Anonymous No.15370291]

>>15369350
they employ confirmation bias, its just as valid as soience

[Anonymous No.15370906]

>>15370291
Hmm very true.

[Anonymous No.15372463]

Isn't it kind of racist to accuse a black guy of lying?