Alright fa/sci/ts, post every scientific inaccuracy and/or implausibility you pick out of James Cameron's Avatar. But please, be a little professional about it.

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Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:40:40 2010 No.1534460 [Reply] [Original]

Alright fa/sci/ts, post every scientific inaccuracy and/or implausibility you pick out of James Cameron's Avatar.

But please, be a little professional about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:42:40 2010 No.1534469 the whole movie /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:42:40 2010 No.1534470 Why they are bright blue in a green forest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:42:40 2010 No.1534471 EVERYTHING /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:43:40 2010 No.1534477 >>1534471 >>1534469 i lol'd

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:43:40 2010 No.1534478 >>1534471 >>1534469 You guys will never learn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:44:40 2010 No.1534483 >>1534470 The same reason there are red plants, they are absorbing some of the light that the pants are reflecting. They might use orange wave lengths for vitamin D synthesis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:45:40 2010 No.1534489 >>1534483 Except for the fact that they clearly would of evolved out of that due to the monstrous fucking carnivorous creatures everywhere. also what the fuck was up with that hair brain connection thing.

>>	Colonel Coffee Mug !phJ7yIcs.Q Mon Aug 2 15:46:40 2010 No.1534492 File: 1.80 MB, 1920x1080, charles pellegrino up of in this space bitch.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sure are scientific inaccuracies in here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:47:40 2010 No.1534499 The inverted bow draw is impractical and makes it harder to aim. I'd guess that the Dragon gunship's rotors can't produce enough thrust for it to take off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:49:40 2010 No.1534503 >>1534489 Yeah, because humans don't have vestigial left overs from our ancestors. Yeah, because humans don't syntheses vitamin D using the sun. Yeah because we know what wave lengths the predators on an imaginary planet see at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:50:40 2010 No.1534507 >>1534503 Exactly its fucking imaginary so they see at any wavelength i fucking want them to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:50:40 2010 No.1534508 red blood blue skin, MAKES NO SENSE

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:51:40 2010 No.1534509 >my face when noone mentions floating mountains

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:53:40 2010 No.1534515 No volcanic activity seen despite probably strong tidal forces from Polyphemus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:53:40 2010 No.1534516 >>1534509 Fuckin magnets, what else?

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:53:40 2010 No.1534519
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>>1534509

>My face when nobody can be bothered to look up that the mountains were full of Unobtainium, a room-temperature superconductor suspended by the Meissner effect due to Pandora having a hypermagnetic environment

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:53:40 2010 No.1534520 >>1534509 I'm pretty sure it's a gravitational thing. (Hint: It's not)

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:54:40 2010 No.1534525 >>1534515 > No volcanic activity seen despite probably strong tidal forces from Polyphemus. >seen

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 15:57:40 2010 No.1534532 It was in 3D

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:02:40 2010 No.1534542 How all the aliens look like half-assed hybrids of earth animals, the Na'vis' USB appendage, how the planet is a fucking brain, and the giant floating superconducting mountains.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:02:40 2010 No.1534544 The fact that James Cameron thinks Pandora could really be a warm jungle-moon with complex ecosystems when it receives an amount of sunlight so small in comparison to Earth that I don't even want to calculate it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:04:40 2010 No.1534549 The part where the earth military has GIANT gunships and loses to a bunch of natives with bows

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:05:40 2010 No.1534553 how they didn't NUKE THE PLANET FROM ORBIT and extract the Unobtanium afterwards

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:07:40 2010 No.1534561 >>1534549 Nah, they got a couple of future apache's and one biug gunship. The space shuttle wasn't meant to be a bomber. Considering how much trouble they are having against primitive insurgents in iraq/afghanistan, its perfectly plausible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:07:40 2010 No.1534562 A tail is an anatomical impossibility for upright, bipedal organisms.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:07:40 2010 No.1534563 The part where its cowboys and Indians, IN 3D!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:09:40 2010 No.1534573 The fact that a human brain-upload interface thingy would betray humanity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:09:40 2010 No.1534574 >>1534561 yes, except that those guys have weapons specially designed by the russians to counteract tanks (those would be RPGS) and arguably the best gun for a desert dwelling 'merica hater (AK)

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:09:40 2010 No.1534575 >>1534563 or Ferngully in 3D or Dances with Wolves in 3D or Pocahontas in 3D or pretty much every environmentalist nutjob movie in 3D

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:10:40 2010 No.1534577 >>1534549 uhh..have you been following what has been going on in Iraq and Afghanistan? Go into a foreign environment on the offensive you typically get your ass kicked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:12:40 2010 No.1534584 >>1534577 yeah, but when you have like hypertronic plasma ray guys, and they have fucking bows and usb hair..?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:15:40 2010 No.1534595 What about the size difference? The blue people are close to 3m tall and have super strong bones, super strong muscles, and agile as hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:16:40 2010 No.1534599 >>1534595 Lower gravity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:17:40 2010 No.1534604 There cannot be an element called unobtanium because firstly, it's utterly ridiculous and secondly because it's too similar to the undiscovered elements like ununoctium etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:17:40 2010 No.1534607 >>1534599 wouldn't lower gravity make for weaker less dense bones?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:18:40 2010 No.1534611 >>1534604 unobtanium is a name for undiscovered elements

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:19:40 2010 No.1534614 >>1534607 No, it would allow them to grow at a larger rate since they aren't being held down as much by gravity as other planetary systems.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:19:40 2010 No.1534615

>>1534584

But they didn't have ray guns

It was huge fkin flying lizard against helicopter gunships, they were out numbered maybe 20:1, and the lizards could just weigh down the gunships

Also they had a limited supply of gunships vs the entire planet, and Jake destroyed the big ones with grenades / they're own missiles

The space shuttle was not "hardened" since it was only designed to survive rentry

I'm not an avatar fag, just a omg its fkin logic

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:19:40 2010 No.1534616 SPOILER: its a crappy movie and the only reason its so goddamn popular is because "ZOMG THREE DEE!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:20:40 2010 No.1534622 >>1534615 who the fuck is jake?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:20:40 2010 No.1534623 >>1534607 For humans, yes. The Na'vi have evolved to be accustomed to the lower gravity, which puts less stress on their bones and allows them to grow taller.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:21:40 2010 No.1534630 >>1534611 Oh my bad, it still wouldn't be called unobtanium because that is a name for a whole group of elements isn't it, and they knew what it was

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:21:40 2010 No.1534631

Flying superconducting mountains.

The Na'avis USB connection sure helps them bond with huge birds and stuff... but what about the flying creatures? Why do they have that hair connection thing? So they can be led to death by crazed blue aliens who believe they can beat a futuristic gunship with arrows and rocks?

How the Na'avis just accept any random dipshit who comes into their tribe; especially one who just happens to speak the same language the invaders speak and has zero knowledge of the enviroment despite being a grown adult.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:22:40 2010 No.1534638 >>1534614 >>1534623 you stupid fucks, I'm not talking about height I am talking about bone density. Why would they have very dense and strong bones if the gravity on the planet is so weak?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:23:40 2010 No.1534643 >>1534631 didn't they wanna kill him at first, but then the daughter of the king (or some shit) demand he be saved or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:24:40 2010 No.1534647 >>1534616 the only reason I liked that movie WAS because of the 3D. I nearly had a fucking seizure it was so cool. (I had never experienced 3D before)

TAS Mon Aug 2 16:30:40 2010 No.1534673

Good. Just saw this for the first time Saturday and I've been itching to toss ideas out...

Organisms all looked like Earth creatures. All of them: mouth in front, eyes on top. I saw a human, a panther, and a horse. Jesus.
Aliens have DNA and it is so compatible with humans that they can make a HYBRID that can be remote-controlled.
The protagonist may have had legs at one time, but he's been out of commission so long that he should not have picked up on walking again so quickly, especially through a remote-control.
This miraculously hospitable planet is so close that a traveler will measure six years there (or back). How much time has passed on Earth I wonder?
In the grand scheme of how long a civilization or civilized species can exist, the humans and aliens are extremely close as far as technological advancement. What are the chances?
The atmospheric pressure and gravity are identical to Earth's: a fantastic improbability. They probably made the air unbreathable as an afterthought.
Floating mountains. Horseshit. Which reminds me...
The ONE place on the planet humans are interested in drilling is the place where the aliens live? Find another place!
The floating mountains scrambles transmission, but other computers work just fine, and you can still control avatars without interference.
"Unobtainium" is a stupid name and is more of a sci-fi inside joke. Also it is a magic new floating element: what the hell?

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:31:40 2010 No.1534675

The first time i watched it, was in 3D and i had consumed a fair amount of alcohol so it was FUCKING AMAZING

the second time i saw it wasn't in 3D. I actually payed attention to the plot and the retardation

Its a bad fucking movie. the only reason its popular is because "OMG! 3D! THAT GIANT PANTHER LOOKED LIKE IT WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME!"

TAS Mon Aug 2 16:31:40 2010 No.1534676

>>1534673
The brain-braids were an extremely stupid plot device. What a horrible evolutionary disadvantage to have part of your brain stem hanging out of your body where a predator can grab you or sever it. And it's compatible with other animals and you can control them. Durf?

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:34:40 2010 No.1534685

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=avatar

>Avatar

>Make your girl wear a ponytail and bang her doggiestyle. When you're about to cum, mount on her back, stick your cock in her ponytail and cum in her ponytail to establish a connection (similar to how avatar/navi's use their ponytails to connect with creatures in Pandora).

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:36:40 2010 No.1534696 >>1534685 wow. Internets, i am not impressed

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:36:40 2010 No.1534699 >Superconductor mountains >Not a near absolute zero environment hmm

TAS Mon Aug 2 16:37:40 2010 No.1534708

>>1534676
I think I saw arrows easily penetrate the glass of the cockpits.
The army general guy who escaped the crashing warship in his robo-armor landed hard. His spine should have snapped.
Also, what prior anons have said: no apparent volcanic activity despite a gas giant parent planet, and it's a jungle despite little solar energy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:39:40 2010 No.1534719 Why didn't the humans harvest the floating mountains for unobtainium? It's obvious that was what they were made out of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:44:40 2010 No.1534738 >>1534719 because it was more profitable and more fun to try and mine shit from under the tribes' lands and go to war with them

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:45:40 2010 No.1534745 >>1534708 The arrows were like 4 feet long and being fired by massive aliens with massive bows. And maybe the glass was shitty and cheap!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:49:40 2010 No.1534760 >>1534745 >shitty >cheap >interplanetary expedition why the fuck would that happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 16:56:40 2010 No.1534787 >>1534708 Its like how knives can stab through kevlar. Its made to protect against one thing, so an unexpected weapon might be effective. Theres a lot of kinetic force behind an arrow that large fired from a bow that large. Hundreds of pounds of force

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:01:40 2010 No.1534809 >>1534760 Congress wouldn't approve it for the Military's rock hunting expedition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:02:40 2010 No.1534815 >>1534809 I lol'd

sage Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:10:40 2010 No.1534859
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>>1534787
>Its like how knives can stab through kevlar. Its made to protect against one thing, so an unexpected weapon might be effective. Theres a lot of kinetic force behind an arrow that large fired from a bow that large. Hundreds of pounds of force
>Hundreds of pounds of force
>pounds of force
>pounds

we have coved this before

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:12:40 2010 No.1534866 >>1534859 FINE. hundreds of STONES of force happy you gay ass Europeans?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:13:40 2010 No.1534876 File: 2 KB, 126x103, 1280589885786.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1534866 >mfw 100s of stones of force could easily break anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:14:40 2010 No.1534879 How come /sci/ prefers metric? It's obvious why Fahrenheit sucks I don't know why it's wrong to say pounds though

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:15:40 2010 No.1534891 >>1534879 Because there's no kilopounds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:15:40 2010 No.1534892 >>1534879 because you cannot measure weight in currency

>>	Inurdaes !lololSGJBw Mon Aug 2 17:16:40 2010 No.1534898 File: 125 KB, 499x360, 1274585911809.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1534866 >stone >metric

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:16:40 2010 No.1534904 >>1534879 lt is because standard index units are all metric. Metric is the measurement system that was created by and for scientists. It is logical and not based on the arbitrary measurements of an old English King

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:16:40 2010 No.1534905

I love how everyone pretends metric doesn't suck just because imperial sucks more. When you DEFINE the meter so that the speed of light is that ridiculous number instead of just shortening the meter slightly so it's 3 * 10^8m/s that's just plain dumb. Sorry /sci/, but the metric system is awful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:17:40 2010 No.1534907 File: 50 KB, 720x488, 1263600388957.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1534879 i think i herped so hard that i derped >>1534866 pic related fagfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:17:40 2010 No.1534908 pocahontas in space.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:19:40 2010 No.1534924 >>1534908 Why does everyone say this? It was much more like FernGully.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:19:40 2010 No.1534925 File: 20 KB, 1152x648, Unobtainium Challenge.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is what ticked me most off about the movie... part one of pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:19:40 2010 No.1534928 >>1534708 >I think I saw arrows easily penetrate the glass of the cockpits. you saw wrong. only time the arrows penetrated were from near perpendicular strikes shot from diving lizard bird things. otherwise they bounced off a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:20:40 2010 No.1534932 Newton is the unit for measuring force in SI measurements.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:20:40 2010 No.1534934 File: 22 KB, 1152x648, Unobtainium Challenge Solution.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1534925 and the solution

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:21:40 2010 No.1534941 >>1534907 I said pounds retard. Learn to read CAPTCHA: prawn required

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:23:40 2010 No.1534951 >>1534934 their hippy mother-tree was deeply inserted into the unobtainium deposits. drilling would detroy the tree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:23:40 2010 No.1534955 I remember someone stating that the aliens were just too pretty, and that if they looked like gigantic centipedes no one would care about them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:24:40 2010 No.1534957 >>1534951 "Sorry about your tree lol, didn't know it'd happen"

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:24:40 2010 No.1534960 >>1534934 NO! WE ARE THE MILITARY. IF SOMEONE GETS IN OUR WAY, WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE. WE GO TO OVERLY EXPENSIVE AND UNNECESSARY WAR

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:25:40 2010 No.1534965 >>1534955 /d/ would have to disagree with you on that one...

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:25:40 2010 No.1534967 they didn't nuke the gathering site of the na'vi from orbit, wtf, they were all in one spot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:25:40 2010 No.1534968 >>1534960 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:25:40 2010 No.1534969 the worst part about this movie is that I got the impression the Na'vi only cared about nature because it benefited them. I mean, who wouldn't want to save the planet if you could get nature to do whatever the hell you wanted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:26:40 2010 No.1534972 >>1534955 this. If it isn't humanoid, it isn't alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:28:40 2010 No.1534984 >>1534968 Please watch 00:56-end

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:30:40 2010 No.1534992 >>1534984 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SURE

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:31:40 2010 No.1534994 >>1534934 I drink your milkshake

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:32:40 2010 No.1535001 >>1534994 see post >>1534951

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:33:40 2010 No.1535004 >>1534994 I DRINK IT UP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:36:40 2010 No.1535022 File: 88 KB, 333x250, The Boulder.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1534934 THE BOULDER IS CONFLICTED WITH SUCH AN EASY PLAN THAT INVOLVES NON-VIOLENCE.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:37:40 2010 No.1535027 >>1535001 Because it's impossible to drill through roots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:39:40 2010 No.1535037 >>>>1534905 why dont we have a unit of measurement for every individual thing, oh wait no thats the old system that sucked besides then we would have a measurement of your cock, hmmmm 1 m that 100000000000000000000000 of your cocks

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:40:40 2010 No.1535043 >>1534905 You seem to have a poor understanding of the history of science. >>1535037 You sir, are an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:41:40 2010 No.1535052 >>1534787 >Its like how knives can stab through kevlar. Kevlar is stab proof, bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:42:40 2010 No.1535057 >>1535027 drilling through the roots would kill the tree, which would sever the psychic connection the tree had with the Na'vi, which would make them go fucking crazy and kill you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:46:40 2010 No.1535078 >>1535057 You don't have to destroy a significant amount of the root system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:46:40 2010 No.1535079 >>1535057 You would only need to drill through 5% maximum of the SA of the roots. I have a hard time believing a giant ass tree would be so fragile as to perish completely from a drilling site.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:49:40 2010 No.1535102 Also what the fuck does the unobtainium even do? for all we know it could just be a stronger form of cocaine.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:51:40 2010 No.1535115

So there's a new element that floats, which is horseshit because a new element requires to have at least one more proton than any known element.
In other words IT WOULD BE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN HEAVY. And ridiculously unstable too. I won't give it more than 1 second before it fucking decays and kills all the fucking creatures on that planet with a massive amount of radiation.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:52:40 2010 No.1535120

>>1535102

If you watched "The Core" which had even more scientific mistakes than Avatar you would have seen they needed it to build a craft which could be piloted to the center of the earth to deliver a nuclear payload to restart the earth's core rotating so that it would restore the Earth's EM field and prevent global apocalypse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:54:40 2010 No.1535130 >>1535115 Please take your pills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:56:40 2010 No.1535151 >>1535130 I just fucking lol'd at the thought of >>1535115 being an old man at a retirement home captcha: the sharking

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 17:58:40 2010 No.1535167

>>1534969
This. Na'vi were ten times more hostile than the humans. Those fuckers deserved to get blown out of their hippie tree.

Also didn't the movie state Earth was in a bad condition? The peaceful and nature-loving Na'vi didn't give a shit, apparently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 18:05:40 2010 No.1535191 >>1535167 Sounds like homo sapien propaganda.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 18:27:40 2010 No.1535297

>>1534561
>>1534574
>>1534577
Typical casuality situation from the War Diaries I read was something like 40-50 dead talibans per dead American. As soon as they fight, they get slaughtered. Car bombs and IEDs are the only ways they don't get fucking pwnd.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 18:48:40 2010 No.1535394 >>1535115 Not necessarily. It's not as simple as larger nuclei => denser material.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 18:49:40 2010 No.1535401

all critters in Pandora had a set of four eyes, six limbs and breathing orifices located in their chest

the Navi had a set of two eyes, four limbs and noses located in their faces

WTF ? it is like they didn't even evolve in the planet.

also natural occurring carbon fiber bones ? come on

>>	TAS Mon Aug 2 19:52:40 2010 No.1535696 >>1534928 Again, I think I saw arrows penetrate the glass. >you saw wrong >some did penetrate ka-derp?

TAS Mon Aug 2 19:55:40 2010 No.1535711

>>1535401
>all critters in Pandora had a set of four eyes, six limbs and breathing orifices located in their chest

>the Navi had a set of two eyes, four limbs and noses located in their faces

Thank you, I forgot that one. Also, I'll start calling the race "Cretins" so that I don't give Cameron the satisfaction.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:09:40 2010 No.1535793

I read through this thread and realized that a lot of the whining and bitching is from people who don't understand the backstory or the details

Unobtainium is a room temp. zero-resistance super conductor. It also has the ability to create incredibly powerful magnetic fields. It can also contain powerful magnetic fields in itself.

The floating mountains are all caused by similarly charged deposits of unobtainium. They float because the magnetic fields are so powerful that they keep the rocks above ground. In the backstory, there is a note of a group of miners who were killed when a rock fell out of the sky as they were mining it.

The atmosphere on Pandora is significantly denser than Earth. It would be breathable to humans, except for a toxic gas. Na'vi obviously evolved to survive with this gas, but Humans need filter masks to breath.

The largest and most compact source of unobtainium was unfortunately under Hometree. While you may say that the chances of this are stupidly remote, remember that it IS a movie, and without it, they wouldn't really have a plot (again, calling the story of Avatar a plot is kind of a stretch)

cont...

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:11:40 2010 No.1535805 >>1535793 Keep going... And yes, you're right that most people on /sci/ argue without understanding background material.

TAS Mon Aug 2 20:14:39 2010 No.1535820 [DELETED]

>>1535793
>
The largest and most compact source of unobtainium was unfortunately under Hometree. While you may say that the chances of this are stupidly remote, remember that it IS a movie, and without it, they wouldn't really have a plot (again, calling the story of Avatar a plot is kind of a stretch)
Your justification is that "it's not realistic but who cares IT'S A MOVIE."
But why is that okay? Why can't our standards be higher? I realize this is a rhetorical question and that the answer is "because money" and "because people are retarded." But, really, we need fewer "Armageddon"s and more "Space Odyssey"s.

TAS Mon Aug 2 20:15:40 2010 No.1535834

>>1535805
>>1535793
>The largest and most compact source of unobtainium was unfortunately under Hometree. While you may say that the chances of this are stupidly remote, remember that it IS a movie, and without it, they wouldn't really have a plot (again, calling the story of Avatar a plot is kind of a stretch)

Your justification is that "it's not realistic but who cares IT'S A MOVIE."
But why is that intrinsically okay? Why can't our standards be higher? I realize this is a rhetorical question and that the answer is "because money" and "because people are dumb." But, really, we need fewer "Armageddon"s and more "Space Odyssey"s.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:19:40 2010 No.1535847

>>1535793
cont...

The Na'vi are at a point in their history where we were at roughly 3000 years ago. The most complex thing they have made is a bow. Their technology is greatly similar to native americans in the 1600s.

The large silver ship was not a warship. It was a cargo-carrier design to be able to enter and exit atmospheres multiple times. The helicopters they brought were offensively designed. The Dragon Gunship was obviously offense-oriented. They did not have bombers or stealth craft, simply offensive support attack ships.

In summary, we have the impossible, and the implausible, yet possible.

Possible, yet Implausible:
-Sentient life to be on another planet
-Animal life on Pandora similar to animal life on Earth
-Animals disrupting the balance of helicopters
-Low gravity planet
-Room Temp. Zero-Resistance Super Conductor
-Incredibly powerful magnetic fields fucking with electronics
-Almost every animal on the planet having little to no hair or fur
-Hometree to be on a large pile of Unobtanium
-The Humans lose
-Similar DNA between Humans and Na'vi (this one, while possible, is extremely implausible)

Impossible:
-Maintaining a connection to the Na'vi in the magnetic fields
-Large reptiles that can fly
-Nerve USB link thing that allows mentally talking to animals or others connected to you
-Planetwide "memory computer"
-Floating mountains. Sorry guys, its just too much weight. Magnets are powerful, but not that powerful, even on a world with lower gravity.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:20:40 2010 No.1535853

>>1535793

if that is the legitimate backstory, its fucktarded.

I could understand how they would say:

unobtanium is a RT superconductor

pandora is a moon of a gas giant.

deposits of unobtanium mirror the intense magnetic flux generated by the gas giant (that is exactly how superconductors "levitate" magnets, they mirror the field), and this has caused parts of pandora to be ripped out of the ground and levitated in the "flux vortex" or whatever they call it (the true center of force direction between the gas giant and the planet)

if THAT is not the legitimate backstory, then they fucked up in basic science fiction creation.

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:23:40 2010 No.1535863

>>1535834
the whole deposit being under Hometree isnt impossible though. its not against the laws of physics, it doesnt bend reality. its just unlikely.

however, if the planet had a pretty consistent layer of unobtainium with some larger, denser nodes here and there, the chances of a colony of sentient creatures living near it are probably not too bad.

You're just arguing probability. In the end, probability doesn't matter at all. What were talking about here are scientific impossibilities, not the likelihood that some blue niggers squat on a precious rock without knowing it.

Now that I think about it, its a lot like the Diamond trade in Africa...

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:24:40 2010 No.1535868 >>1535853 you pretty much said what he said was stupid, then repeated what he said and said it was smart. arrogant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:26:40 2010 No.1535875 >>1535847 you're just restating previous posts. Also, your "Implausible" category can be chaned to "Implausible to the point of being absolutely ridiculous."

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:27:40 2010 No.1535878

>>1535847
>Implausible
>Similar DNA between Humans and Na'vi (this one, while possible, is extremely implausible)

>Impossible
>Large reptiles that can fly
>Nerve USB link thing that allows mentally talking to animals or others connected to you

I think you got these muddled up brah

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:31:40 2010 No.1535899

>>1535868

>It also has the ability to create incredibly powerful magnetic fields. It can also contain powerful magnetic fields in itself.

superconductors do not contain or create a magnetic field.

the only special property (in this regard) is their ability to MIRROR a magnetic field generated by something else (a permanent magnet or an electromagnet)

they can, also, be used as electromagnets.

regardless, superconductors, sitting there by themselves, do absolutely nothing whatsoever.

>They float because the magnetic fields are so powerful that they keep the rocks above ground

again, this is based on the false assumption that these superconductors generate their own magnetic fields.

they dont. they wouldnt. they would MIRROR the magnetic field generated by the flux of the gas giant.
essentially what he did was:

give incredibly false, almost backward and completely contradictory reasoning in situations that can easily be explained with traditional scientific terminology and theory.

I thought for a minute that he was trolling (this is /sci/ remember, trolling with completely backward science is not out of the question)

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:34:40 2010 No.1535914

>>1535875
some people got it right, some people got it wrong. I was clarifying. If that amounts to restating, then so be it.

>>1535878
The similar DNA is possible by sheer coincidence. It is also possible in that all living things here on Earth are very similar genetically (2% difference from a chimpanzee, 50% different from a banana), that all living things in general are somewhat similar. Perhaps the code that all life follows is similar in its very fundamental core. Its not impossible at all, just very, very implausible.

Also, reptiles that can fly...well. Hmm. Reptiles require a lot of sunlight and heat to function properly, and even then, they tire easily and resort to quick bursts of energy to capture prey. When prey is captured, they spend all day, probably all week, basking in the sun chewing on their catch. The way reptiles work is vastly different than birds. A reptiles system simply does not produce enough energy to allow a creature to fly. Theres a reason why reptiles have such low metabolism and why birds have such high metabolism.

Also, the brain USB cord is bullshit. This should be obvious. Thoughts are created by chemical reactions. How would they communicate? Would the chemicals rush through the cord to the other brain? The brains of animals may use different chemicals, or the same chemicals but in different proportions. Either way, it wouldn't work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:36:40 2010 No.1535920 >>1535899 he was just telling you the backstory. he probably didn't write it. if you think its so ridiculous heretical, then go talk to Cameron

Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:39:40 2010 No.1535931

>>1535914
Dinosaurs could fly. And there is evidence that many dinosaurs were warm blooded, not cold blooded like modern reptiles. Jack Horner (the paleontologist that the movie Jurassic Park is based on) believes that T-Rex and many other species of dinosaur were warm blooded.

Also the creatures in Avatar are not true reptiles. We have no way of knowing if they're warm blooded or cold blooded. You can't expect them to behave as Earth reptiles when they clearly are not Earth reptiles. There are far too many physiological differences such as 4 eyes, 4 wings, chest nostrils etc. They're very different animals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:42:40 2010 No.1535941 >>1535931 huh i suppose you have a point. I didnt take into consideration the amount of eyes, nostrils and such. I also completely forgot about dinosaurs while typing my earlier reply haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:42:40 2010 No.1535943 >>1535931 Dinosaurs COULD NOT fly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:44:40 2010 No.1535951 >>1535943 Dinosaurs COULD fly. Ever heard of an archaeopteryx or a ptereosaur? They could all fly and/or glide great distances.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:45:40 2010 No.1535957 >>1535951 Read a book one of these days, moron. Leaping and gliding is not true flight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:46:40 2010 No.1535965 >>1535951 Pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs. They're evolutionarily distinct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:47:40 2010 No.1535972 >>1535957 Read a book yourself. There are many species of known flying dinosaurs. http://www.innvista.com/science/zoology/dinosaurs/air.htm

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 2 20:50:40 2010 No.1535985 ITT: Scientists (pretend pretentious fags) unable to comprehend what 'Sci-Fi' means.

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