Before the universe there was the universe

[Anonymous No.15314721]

Words like "before" or "after" simply do not exist if we are to believe that before the big bang there was nothing. But belief is a concept of time, to believe means a constant. So rather the truest words to describe what was "before" the big bang is: The big bang. In essence, time has always existed, it has never not existed. How could it have not existed in a non-existence state? If it didn't exist, it simply wouldn’t exist. The bigger picture is obvious, the universe has always existed. Now I'm sure this is something to do with some philosophy about trusting what you can see. In a sense that is true. If your eyes see an optical illusion that doesn't make it any less true, just a different level of truth. The laws of this universe were made if we are to believe, in an instant yet ask yourself this, consider just what truly is nothing. Nothing is not just the absence or a state before something. It exists as a conundrum, nothing as a concept would not exist since nothing would exist. So, the question of why is there something rather than nothing simply cannot exist. Nothing inherently implies that nothing exists as something, even as thin as just being the concept or idea. So logically if there was nothing then it has always existed as something. The universe has always existed, it has never not existed it has never been in a concept such as nothing.

[Anonymous No.15314779]

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[Anonymous No.15314783]

Can nothing truly exist?

For there to be something, something before it must exist. Something caused the big bang so there must have existed something before it.

[Anonymous No.15314937]

>>15314721
>How could it have not existed in a non-existence state?
It does sound illogical but I don't think we can rule it out. The universe does some strange things, especially in quantum mechanics. Because it's currently unfalsifiable we don't pursue it but it hasn't been disproven

[Anonymous No.15314958]

>>15314721
Ffs read fucking Plato or Shankara or Aquinas or literally fucking anybody before posting your midwit rants about existence as if you've discovered something new

[Anonymous No.15314961]

>>15314721
https://youtu.be/1sFyrfqTdcg

[Anonymous No.15315020]

>>15314721
The whole issue people have is based on the concept of time. Basically people assume time exist, when it simply is how biological creatures interpet periodic natural phenomena, such as earth’s rotation resulting in night and day. The success of Newton and Einstein have of course solidified this notion as you can explain the macroscopic world using time.

[Anonymous No.15315034]

>>15314783
The nothing is photons in its lowest energy state. Picture photons with an incredibly long wavelength. Then due to tension cthe photon breaks and just as when a rope splits due to tension the lose ends curl up on each other meaning the wave lenght becomes contracted increasing frequency of the photon. The photon vibrate infinitely fast (hyper energetic) and through photon-photon interaction mass is formed for instance an electron-positron pair.

[Anonymous No.15315038]

Think about what Nicola Tesla said:
”If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration”

[Anonymous No.15315041]

>But belief is a concept of time, to believe means a constant.
Your bullshit falls apart in the second sentence, not even necessary to read on. Stop trying to be a serious thinker, this is not for you.

[Anonymous No.15315073]

>>15315041
Time is a derivative of force. But in order for force to exist there must be particles mediating that force. In order for those particles to exist there must be energy preceding them and therefore time is preceded by force, particles and energy (energy->particles->force->time) or to quote Nicola Tesla energy and the frequency and vibrations of energy and its primary derivatives.

[Anonymous No.15315527]

>>15314721
>Words like "before" or "after" simply do not exist if we are to believe that before the big bang there was nothing.
You contradict yourself in your first sentence. The phrase "before the big bang" appears to be a meaningless one, because the big bang was the origin of time as well as space. It appears that at the beginning of the bang space *and time* were both contracted to either true zero or a very small size —we don't know, and may never know, which.

[Anonymous No.15315536]

>huuuurrrrrr i know everything about the whole universe!!!!

[Anonymous No.15315804]

>>15315536
No one knows everything about the universe anon.

[Anonymous No.15315822]

>>15315034
That's not nothing moron. Nothing has no potentiality or actuality.

[Anonymous No.15315836]

If time and the universe was infinite than the fermi paradox would not be a thing. What a retarded theory you have. We would all be born on the edges of possible reality with septillions of septillions of life forms inhabiting all corners of knowable reality

[Anonymous No.15315851]

>>15315836
Life is still restricted by how much it can advance. Doesn't matter if time and the universe is infinite, humanity won't last forever. If we don't all die by killing ourselves with nukes, there is over population, diseases, famine, recourses depletion and many other things that will end all life on Earth.

[Anonymous No.15315917]

>>15315851
I refuse to believe that there is some kind of technology that we dont see that will destroy us before being able to settle on a planet. Especially with infinite time some alien civilization would have gotten 2+ earth's in their vicinity to have an easier time expanding.

[Anonymous No.15317636]

>>15315822
Nothingness under such conditions cant exist as nothing can come to be without potentiality.

Nothingness as in no space, time or matter on the other hand can exist in the form of a photon.

When a photon stretch/increase its wavelength (due to laws of thermodynamics) energy is released as a second photon.

At this point you have everything you need to create matter thus force, time and space.

For instance via photon-photon interference producing an effect electron-positron pair.

[Anonymous No.15317668]

>>15315851
Humanity is a deterministic event starting with the foundation of the very first particles thus force, the three dimensions and time. Humanity will always exist in a universe unless we assume this particular universe is ”special” from the many universes ”before” or ”after” it.

The creation of universe is rather simple really. And can be explained as:
1. transformation of energy (primordial photon) into particulate matter.
2. Particulate matter giving rise to force (eg electromagnetic force in the case of electron-positron pair)
3. The force giving rise to three dimensional space and time (space and time is defined as limits of the force field).
4. Particulate matter give rise to other particulate matter possibly through photon interaction in the spacetime.
5. Particulate matter give rise to ever larger matter.
6. As more and more matter is formed new forces are created rearranging the spacetime limit.
7. Eventually the process of energy->matter->force-timespace are in equilibrium

Another way of looking at energy after the formation of spacetime is simply as velocity. The purest form of energy is then maximal velocity (photons) and as pure energy level is lowered you get ever more complex structures of mass.

With this in mind there’s no saying where all will end with this universe unless we assume an equilibrium with pure energy and its derivatives have been set.

[Anonymous No.15319920]

>>15314721
Before the universe there was a different metastable vacuum state and a dying star equivalent collapsing into a gravitational singularity. The energy density triggered a vacuum decay which released a big bang's worth of energy and crystallised into a new spacetime with a new set of laws of physics

[Anonymous No.15319922]

The big bang was caused by the last false vacuum decay.
No, I will not elaborate any further

[Anonymous No.15319946]

I love how the fedora excuse for believing in magic exploding nothingness is to now say that the explosion they believe in couldn't have happened because time didn't exist yet.

[Anonymous No.15319953]

>>15319946
The big bang theory is an ultimate strawman, and it was invented by a jesuit priest and it was advertised by the media. No go pray to god so he forgives me for I've seen and thus I've sinned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqAH5mLZNk

[Anonymous No.15319968]

>>15319953
i really want to see the hidden camera footage of hawking's visit to epstein island. does he type on his text to talk widget during the act? i gotta know

[Anonymous No.15322737]

>>15319946
>>15319953
The explosion is the moment God willed the world into existence within and out of nothingness, thus creating matter alltogether, to a hypothetical outside observer it would seem like lighting candle within complete darkness, meaning the lighter being God's word.

[Anonymous No.15323648]

>>15322737
Very poetic. Now you only have to prove it.

[Anonymous No.15323695]

>>15319946
The singularity is what the universe existed as before its post-big bang state. What people forget is that big bang can and does only describe up to that point. There is no means of experimenting how such a singularity came to be, everything is just speculation.
>Singularity expanded from 0 dimensions into our current universe from what we can tell from deepest space observations and particle physics
>So where did the singularity come from?
>We don’t fucking know