/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15312998
>NASA TO NAME NIGGERS AND FAGS GOING TO SPACE NEXT WEEK
FTFY

>>15313012
3 Americans and a leaf.

>>15313023
Leafs are okay. I don't have a massive problem with leafs.

okay so when's the launch?

>>15313035
check the discord

>>15313023
Why the canadian?

https://spacenews.com/mars-exploration-and-the-debate-about-planetary-protection/

>>15313047
Cause they're expendable?

>>15312998

you have to be pretty crazy to get on top of a rocket designed by the US congress for a pointless non-landing flight around the moon that can be flown by remote control. Also if the crew is going to better represent the human population how many Chinese and Indians will there be ?

https://archive.is/20230330141007/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-29/ses-intelsat-near-deal-to-create-10-billion-satellite-giant

>>15313023
>a leaf.
IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE

>>15313059
Cause they are leaving

>>15313063

>>15313068

>>15313071

https://spacenews.com/military-space-agency-created-to-go-fast-is-about-to-launch-its-first-satellites/
>and two infrared sensor satellites made by SpaceX and Leidos to detect and track hypersonic missiles in flight.

>>15313063
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1269ryt/ses_is_in_advanced_talks_to_combine_with_rival/

In a nutshell, a lot of mergers happening in the traditional satellite industry

https://spacenews.com/ses-confirms-merger-talks-with-intelsat/

>>15313075
so this was the payload on the launch that was just scrubbed

> By the standards of Pentagon procurements, getting satellites to orbit within three years of ordering them and during a global pandemic would be a remarkable accomplishment for the young agency. SDA has adopted a fast-track approach to build a large missile-warning and data-transport constellation in low Earth orbit.

> The Tranche 0 satellites will fly on a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket to a polar orbit at an altitude of about 1,000 kilometers and deployed in two orbital planes.

>The mission will carry eight data-transport satellites made by York Space Systems that will be part of a mesh communications network known as Transport Layer, and two infrared sensor satellites made by SpaceX and Leidos to detect and track hypersonic missiles in flight.

> Frank Calvelli, the Space Force’s top procurement official who oversees SDA, has championed the agency’s approach to buying small satellites under fixed-price contracts from multiple vendors.

> The Transport Layer satellites are estimated to cost about $15 million each, and the Tracking Layer satellites about $40 million each.

>Speaking earlier this year about SDA’s Tranche 0 launch, Calvelli said that once the agency demonstrates it can deliver capabilities to DoD, it will serve as a model for other programs. “I think once we have that success, we’ll see this methodology take off like gangbusters,” he said.

when is nasa going to go full fixed cost contracts? if the military can do it, why can't nasa do it more widely

>>15313062
Well those countries aren't doing a manned lunar mission anytime soon but to be fair Aldrin and a few others have criticized Artemis and the Gateway program.

https://interactive.satellitetoday.com/via/april-2023/satellite-vendors-adapt-to-the-dods-new-spiral-acquisition-model/

>>15312998
Read this as "we are gooning"
That's enough internet for awhile

>>15313102

>>15313108
https://www.alumnifounders.com/
thats a lot of startups, 70 if i counted correctly

>>15313108

>>15313111

>>15313114

HOP WHEN?

>>15313116

>>15313119

>>15313118
Imagine the size of Venusian women.

>>15313118
a fortnight

So in fact, there are a lot of companies that are poised to exploit the large cheap payload capacity that Starship is about to bring online, but its mostly still startups that are in their early stages (and I mean they have to wait for Starship to start operations too to start actually doing stuff in space).
There migth actually be an explosion in activity quite quickly after Starship gets online, no need to wait for legacy players that take forever. Startups will start doing shit right away. Makes me even more anxious to see the hop work

>>15313123
We can only imagine.

>>15313090
NASA is a jobs and diversity program now, anon, let it go. All meaningful space advancement in the west will be thanks to private entities.

>Clear playing gachashit

Kurea KSP stream wheeen

>>15313062
> a pointless non-landing flight around the moon that can be flown by remote control
It's a final validation of Orion's capabilities/full functioning in its operating environment. Apollos 8 and 10 did similar translunar flights. The USSR had an entire program (Zond) whose sole purpose was to fly a crew around the Moon.

>>15313149
Kurea? More like urea, heyo!

>>15313074
>>15313120
>>15313090
>>15313080
Good posts anon

>>15313214
yea but they never sent a fully autonomous Apollo craft around the moon, Apollo 4-6 was entirely in earth orbit. what differences will there even be between arty 1 and 2, other than people being on board? as far as I can tell the only system left to test is life support and between all of the Apollos, the shittles, and three decades worth of space stations NASA shouldn't need a whole entire second dry run just to test life support.

More mergers. Should not be surprised as the space market matures and the strong survive.
https://spacenews.com/planet-acquires-slovenian-startup-sinergise/

>>15313240
seems more like pure acquisitions, planet keeps buying other companies
Planet labs has a market cap of about 1 billion and revenue of 130 million

>Planet established its European presence in 2015 with the acquisition of Berlin-based BlackBridge and its RapidEye Earth-observation constellation. San Francisco-based Planet extended its European footprint with its 2021 purchase of VanderSat, a Dutch company that gathers data on soil moisture, land surface temperature and other Earth-surface conditions.

>Sinergise is Planet’s six acquisition. In addition to BlackBridge and VanderSat, Planet acquired Salo Sciences earlier this year, Boundless Spatial in 2019 and Terra Bella in 2017.

UK bringing some money into the nuclear space game.
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/our-stories/discover/2023/uk-space-agency-backs-rolls-royce-nuclear-power-for-moon-exploration.aspx

>>15313238
> NASA shouldn't need a whole entire second dry run just to test life support
It's a new-ish vessel. Yeah, they've got lots of experience with life support, but there's value in validating the specific implementation of it here. Just as we've been flying orbital missions since the 60s, but still expect Starliner to complete flight tests before bringing it into operational status.
Additionally, the flight hardware should be ready by 2024, while hardware for a landing (or even establishing/visiting Gateway) won't be, and they can't just twiddle their thumbs for the greater part of a decade waiting on other parts of the program to play catch-up.
Orion itself has been in development in one form or another since the 00s, so there's an element of finally flying crews on this vessel designed to fly crews.
And given how the rest of the program has gone, it's probably best not to simply assume everything will be fine for the actual landing attempt; there's a spectacular capacity for things to go wrong. SLS was originally supposed to launch in 2016, after all.

Of course, "merely orbiting" the Moon is a step down from "we landed before and we'll land again". For PR/interest purposes, if I were doing planning I'd try to beat Apollo 13's record for distance from Earth, then fill the media with talk of "pushing the envelope" and going where no man has gone before.

Finally sent a uni application, last day before they stop taking them. Gonna try and study physics.
See you retards on mars.

https://interactive.satellitetoday.com/via/april-2023/how-spacex-alums-are-branching-out-and-shaping-the-startup-economy/

SpaceX is one of the greatest things to happen to spaceflight ever

>>15313272
>he still thinks bongs will ever have a space industry

>>15313276
what do you plan to major in?

>>15313312
astronomy, spacex can't keep getting away with it

>>15313325
Make sure not to forget daily seething posts

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1641467573920313346

Shutdown Space because we can't drink beer, also we need to preserve earth

#CaseAgainstSpace

E*RTHERS!!!!!! Everyday, they make me rage

>>15313312
I'll decide a major the week before I have to submit my choice. But probably astronomy or astrophysics.
If I even get accepted, that is.

>>15313274
>if I were doing planning I'd try to beat Apollo 13's record for distance from Earth
They'll be doing that as they will be 4000 nmi above the farside compared with Apollo 13's 1542 nmi

>>15313340
wtf doug

>>15313274
>if I were doing planning I'd try to beat Apollo 13's record for distance from Earth
They'll be doing that as they will be 4000 nmi above the farside compared with Apollo 13's 142.5 nmi

>>15313366
That should heavily depend on the specific date they launch/reach the Moon. Lunar orbit is elliptical and Apollo 13 went around it near Lunar apogee. Variation in lunar distance to Earth is ~50,000 km/27,000 nmi, so higher altitude wouldn't be sufficient to break the record for most of the Moon's orbit.

>>15313341
>>15313325
That's very gay of you anon, astronomy or astrophysics is Neil deGrasse Tyson or Mike Brown. Btw, if you want to have your career ruined now is the perfect time to become an astronomer with so many constellations going up and expanding. Dont be a seething faggot and be an engineer, help us get to Mars instead of bitching about it.

If there isn't a single white dude on Artemis II, then NASA is well and truly dead to me. I won't give a shit if they actually make it.

>>15313035
Actually launching the ship to the Moon isn't the point of the program and it never has been.

>>15313381
i said astronomy as a joke, but the anon actually said it as an option lmao
I mean astronomy might be pretty cool in 5 years or something? Idk if thats enough time for space based telescopes to start getting built and launched, there might be a golden age in astronomy due to cheap access to space

>>15313393
Who?

>>15313396
That is definitely not enough time for space based telescopes, you're looking at 20 years minimum for far side of the moon liquid mirror telescopes. Otherwise you are absolutely fucked as an astronomer for the first half of your life until we have a reliable presence on the Moon or Mars.

So, why was that Falcon 9 launch aborted?

>>15313419
SpaceX is finished

>>15313059
>reusable Canadians
I laugh

Every little detail is just so comfy VGH

>>15313381
engineers are faggots
can't wait for total engineer death

>itt people who study something talk about other subjects without knowing what those guys actually do

>>15313381
>seething this much about black soience man
he's supremely loathsome but you shouldn't let your hatred of 1 retard cloud your mind

>>15313466
Spoken like a true astronomaggot. You will never be spacefaring

>>15313479
>astronomaggot
>not astroonomer
classic autist engineer can't even insult people properly. Go design yourself a suicide booth

>>15313494
Kek

https://twitter.com/nasaastrobio/status/1639328215226535938

I didnt see this but this is actually cool, Titan chads wya?

>>15312998
https://youtu.be/1sFyrfqTdcg

>>15313524
Fuck off

>>15313522
this mission is the single reason I think astrobiology might be interesting in the next few decades. Not that we might find stuff out there, but that we might rule it out for good.

>>15313522
Waiting for inevitable delays and/or cancellation to clear up funds for more heckin’ Mars robots

>>15313533
I'll believe you when you show me the ice core sample return mission from europa

>>15313449
yeah, unless you are the Apollo 13 crew and start seeing the PART PRESS CO2 gauge start climbing...

>>15311681
>Continuing the Saturn program might have been better short term (which, mind you, is only obvious with hindsight)
sometimes I like to imagine if they had decided to give the Saturn 5 an extra 10 years of life and had just ordered maybe ten more from the production line instead of shutting it down, with this extra time and Saturn hardware we could have gone ahead with the planned Apollo moon landings in the mid 70s such as Apollos 18, 19, and 20, and still had Saturn 5 rockets available to construct a station in the late 70s, maybe one constructed from multiple Saturn 5 launches (I like to imagine the construction of a Space Station Independence beginning in 1976 and coinciding with the bicentennial) and we still would have had a few left for dream missions like a big long-duration rover landed on the moon or a huge probe launched towards Mars or Jupiter or wherever. I also think they could have developed a cheaper 1st stage that used 3 or 4 F-1s (a case could probably have even been made for developing a slimmed down rocket that used a single F-1 and maybe strap-ons as needed for resupply missions, etc) and I think following this late 70s/early 80s "golden age of Apollo/Saturn" they could have developed a follow on (shuttle? something else?) and enjoyed the 10 years of technological development to make a better and safer product that would have been better than the 70s designed and built shuttle. Oh well.

>>15313537
fucking please bro that's what I'm saying

>>15313533
Well ruling out Titan for life would certainly be good because you KNOW if there is life in those methane lakes there would be no way NASA trannies would let us use its methane for fuel no matter how basic it is.

>>15313544
TLDR? Im not reading that

>>15313544
incorporating Shuttle into the Saturn architecture might have been good for spaceflight but I find it hard to believe that fully reusable shuttles built in the 70s and 80s wouldn't have cost billions per flight

>>15313542

>>15313549
Don't worry nothing is alive in that cryonic shithole. Dummies talk it up because picrel.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1641524639254863872

They are getting a vehicle in Artemis V? It is so ogre bros, by that time SpaceX will already have a colony on Mars

>>15313544
Yeah, in the scenario where Saturn V production continued, one of the obvious applications would be tossing a large space station into orbit. Saturn V would be inappropriate for routine missions to the station, which would suggest another crewed vessel for LEO operations. The same dynamic that played out between shuttle proposals and a Titan-based capsule would occur, leading to a shuttle selection. An extant station would've provided political shielding against the miserly conditions that prevailed post-Apollo 11, perhaps allowing for a more rational program of shuttle development.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1641525774950735892

>>15313555
IRL they traded off guaranteed higher operational costs/lower capability ceiling for lower peak development costs. Perhaps in that timeline, they're motivated to do the opposite and optimize for operational costs/performance at the expense of higher costs during development. That scenario would also mean NASA needing to make fewer political compromises, which would allow it to start off from a far smaller shuttle and iterate its way up as needed/funded.

>>15313568
Someone fill me in on Intuitive Machines and Astrobotics.

>>15313556
I am the one who docks

>>15313554
good to hear it, have a great life

>>15313555
yeah, maybe a shuttle/space plane wouldn't have been the best choice as a follow on (although I think evolving the Apollo capsule into a lifting body was an interesting idea) , and in hindsight THE shuttle as built (the STS) was clearly not the best thing to go with

>>15313561
>1000km roves
ON THE ROAD AGAIN!
JUST CAN'T WAIT TO GET ON THE ROAD AGAIN!

https://twitter.com/theprimalspace/status/1641527358099169298

So… Falcon heavy launch right before Starship? Hmmmm

not sure how to emotionally deal with SpaceX' diminishing market share and leadership crisis

>>15313604
>diminishing market share
Lol. Lmao.

>>15313575
>Say my name.
>You're damn right I'm Von Braun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgJ-s3M8Ac

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/audio/ep281_mars_ep.11_returning_the_first_martians.mp3
kind of fascinating to hear them talk about the mars architecture in the current day. I wonder how much of that has stayed in NASA.

>>15313561
firm fixed price contract, based

HLS is seggsy

When will we see a prototype?

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1641532275908018176

Holy shit, this is the most conservative worst case scenario of SpaceX? Bros, we are so back. Ad astra!

>>15313681
Speaking of Astra, its so joever for them.

This is pathetic. Commercial spaceflight once again wins

>>15313681
jupiter's moons coming out of left field

>>15313699
I mean Dragonfly is going to be at Saturn around that time no?

>>15313681
What's stopping them from announcing such program this year?

>>15313703
a commercial mission network would be far cooler than one mission by JPL. I really hope this can lead up to crew landings at least by the 2070s.

>>15313705
Probably Biden admin. If they cant put a tranny on Callisto then why bother sending a probe?

>>15313712
There's a 42% chance they won't even need a return stage as well

>>15313714
How did you calculate that?

>>15313714
alexa, read "TITAN" by Stephen Baxter.

>>15313561
>>15313597
> 2 astronauts, 1000 km
You are like little baby
>Thangavelu suggested that NASA replace the fixed-site lunar base approach with a "roving base" that would, in a single ambitious piloted mission, explore multiple candidate base sites and the terrain between them along an 11,000-kilometer traverse route. He called his roving base Nomad Explorer
>The chief element of the Nomad Explorer roving base was the 35-tonne Very Long Traverse Vehicle (VLTV), which would measure 16 meters long, 4.5 meters wide, and 10 meters high. The VLTV would roll on four large wheels, each powered independently by a 120-horsepower electric motor. The complex wheels would change shape automatically to accommodate obstacles and ensure a smooth ride. Typically, the VLTV would move at about 20 kilometers per hour, though it could trundle along at up to 30 kilometers per hour if necessary
>The VLTV would provide its three-person crew with 600 cubic meters of pressurized volume. It would include a control cockpit, crew quarters, a meeting room/galley, an airlock, and a hygiene facility
>an automated "power cart" bearing a nuclear reactor that would follow about a kilometer behind the VLTV to limit crew radiation exposure. It would supply 50 kilowatts of electricity to the piloted rover either through a long durable cable or through intermittent microwave beaming
https://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2023/02/nomad-explorer-1992.html

>>15313721
with spaceflight there's always some guy who's proposed something bigger and better, what matter is what we get in the end...
>actually reads your post
hot damn that's actually pretty insane.

>>15313721
>11,000-kilometer traverse route
Good lord you could circumnavigate the entire moon at the equator with this fucking thing

>>15313686
0 revenue?
what the fuck are they doing?

>>15313717
its a well known statistic, no calculation necessary

>>15313721
>follows a km behind
So do you expect this to not go wrong anywhere?

>>15313739
HTOL spacecraft

>>15313717
Oh to be innocent and naïve

>>15313743
A 1km cable is a bit goofy but microwave and laser power beaming is more advanced today. And a HLS has the payload to deliver them though getting them down to the surface would be tricky

>>15313661
If KSP has taught me anything it's that landing that thing on the slightest slope will cause it to tip over and strand your Kerbals.

>>15313781
It will land alright but slide at 0.1m/s endlessly down the most shallow of slopes.

>>15313783
The absolute state of KSP2

BAHAHAHAH ITS FINALLY DEAD

IT'S OVER

“We’re so back bros,” its’ so over

>>15313686
>100M$ in cash on December 31 2022
>-50M$ free cash flow per quarter
>6 months of cash before going bankrupt, only 3 left today
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

“It’s over” bros, we are so back

>>15313850
Stupid bobo tranny, $ASTR to the moon

>>15313746
but I mean they have 25 gorillion contracts for engines, why not do some of those between blowing up Nasas satellites
get at least some revenue going

>>15313714
does someone have that song someone wrote a year or who ago about a lesbian and black traveling to Mars in a capsule?

>>15313561
Absolutely delusional musk stan

>>15313953
>stan
Just me that thinks anybody using this word, no matter the context, should be hanged?

could these trees be used to oxygenate the ISS?

>>15313968
I used to dislike it but it’s grown on me in an ironic kind of way I guess.
Anytime I’m on twitter and the algorithm spits out some fag using the phrase “spitter” I want them to be hung and dipped in boiling tar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs0VIBDG2Yw

>>15313986
>Anytime I’m on twitter
Just me that thinks anybody using this website, no matter the context, should be hanged?

>>15314009
Anybody not using twitter should be forced to work for blue origin

>>15313968
Ok zoomer

>>15313984
No.

Musk didn't comment on an operational issue of Falcon 9. He doesn't care about the little bird anymore. Sad.

>>15314033
Musk went in too deep and started liking the smell of his own farts.
Lets hope when he shits the fan spaceX will survive.

>>15313743
we have the technology

>>15313823
It's not over theyre just ceasing operations (temporary) like Bigelow

>>15314042
Do audio fags think coper wire works better if they are layed out like fiber?

>>15314050
>(temporary)
>Bigelow
I like your optimism.

>>15313721
Just keep the reactor on board, god damn. Nuclear submarines do just fine.

>>15313984
you need an absurd amount of algae to process even 1 human's worth of o2 intake/co2 output. I think currently it's about 400 gallons of highly populated water even with the best genetically engineered algae, but if you also want them to be edible it'll require a thousand or more gallons of growing media for one 80kg male with a BMR of 2200kcal/day - and that's not even close to nutritionally complete by any means, just raw calories.

absolutely not suitable for the ISS or any station that isn't spin-grav sized; it would make a lot of sense on an O'niel Cylinder or a land base on another planet though. the biggest limitation isn't even size constraints, but rather energy. without either a huge solar collector mirror array or massive LED banks running off nuclear generation, the algae won't be able to keep up with a human's consumption requirements.

a very DIY algae farm demonstrator made by Cody'sLab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64cEmjtwRgw

production scale algae farm from University of Kentucky, from 10 years ago (it shut down after ~2 years due to lack of profit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3Al1dpuUY

>>15314058
Nice bait, but i wonder how big your heat exchanger should be to keep a nuclear sub reactor cool in the vacuum of space.

>>15313604
>leadership crisis
where? You mean that african Musk being now King Chud?

>>15313686
Cope. Just to spite infidels I bought more ASTR. To the mooonnnn

>>15314009
Twitter is fucking based. Even when it was run by vijaya and the liberal fags (granted they were trying their best to destroy it)
It’s all about who you follow. After that the algorithm will give you like 80% interesting things and you can follow more people from there.

>>15314068
>a very DIY algae farm demonstrator made by Cody'sLab
still waiting for an update on that one

>>15314028
Only zoomers use that word larping faggot

DeSantis will refuse to recognize the NY indictment of Trump, and it will spiral into civil war.
In the confusion, SpaceX will launch Starship in spite of not having an FAA licence, and from Mars rain down rocks on the contemptible Earthers

>>15314074
same way they manage waste heat on any spacecraft, fuckhueg radiators but even bigger

the ISS currently ditches about 56 KW of heat per ~90min. orbit, for about 40KWh for the total system capacity
>The PVR – the radiator – is deployable on orbit and comprised of two separate flow paths through seven panels. Each flow path is independent and is connected to one of the two PFCSs on the IEA. In total, the PVR can reject up to 14 kW of heat into deep space. The PVR weighs 1,633 pounds (740.7 kilograms) and when deployed measures 10.24 feet (3.12 meters) by 44.62 feet (13.6 meters). When the ISS assembly is complete, there will be a total of four PVRs, one for each PV module (S4, P4, P6, S6)

>>15314033
Literal nothing burger, I didnt see anywhere near this much shit you niggers are kicking up over the Crew-6 delay. This time, there isnt even a fucking crew to take care of!

>>15314150

>>15313823
>we're not dead yet
>we're just ceasing operations and laying off 90% of our employees
why even pretend?

>>15314170
Government gibs maybe?

>>15314150
Why would anyone care about that zionist fag?

>>15314068
Ok true but consider

>big ass glass/plastic tubes on Martian surface
>0 energy input unlike giga nigga indoor vertical farms
>Can use as massive heat dump radiator for your colony
>Even if doesn't scrub all oxygen will go a long way towards it, for the rest I would just fractionally distill the colony atmosphere and vent excess CO2 or use it some needful industrial process
>Can have a whole ecosystem of shrimp, lobsters and fish that feed on the algae, have little submersible drones harvesting them for food
>Building tubes filled with water is WAY easier than giga nigga human habitable tunnels for farming in

Man I wish I had bought that 10k BTC I was thinking about doing as a teenager, I would be spinning up companies doing shit like this like a madman.

>>15314150
Imagine. Just for a moment. Living on Mars, digging out lava tubes, analyzing roggs, building smelters, setting up greenhouses.

And not having to give a single fuck about EARTHER nonsense.

>The Jet Propulsion Laboratory’s success in landing the low-cost Mars Pathfinder mission in 1997 was viewed as proof that spacecraft could be built more often and for far less money — a radical cultural change NASA termed “Faster, Better, Cheaper.”
>This era also coincided with the discovery of a Mars rock that hinted at the possibility of microbial life elsewhere in the solar system. NASA’s reaction was to envision a steady stream of missions to Mars — all done at cut-rate costs. In fact, the next challenge taken on by JPL was to fly two missions to Mars for the price of the single Pathfinder mission. Mars Climate Orbiter and the Mars Polar Lander both made it to the launch pad, on time and on budget, but were lost upon arrival at Mars, resulting in one of the most difficult periods in the history of JPL
>“The Breaking Point” tells the story of the demise of these two missions and the abrupt end of NASA’s “Faster, Better, Cheaper” era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYDkVRyMkg

>>15314173
This.
If they maintain their air launch to orbit capability, they can market it.
They have by far the most flexible launch capability. They just need a runway that can take a 747. They clearly hope the US DoD will use this capability in the next few years.

>>15314183
already said it makes sense for terrestrial operation, also
>submersible drones for harvesting shrimp
nigger please we already know how to farm shrimp without that bullshit, put down the pop-soience and pick up a text on real aquaculture
0PPWW

>>15313012
At least one tranny.

>>15312998

>>15314202
Transvestites will unironically never be approved to go to orbit. At least not from NASA. And even if ESA or CSA tried to slip one in a) NASA wouldn’t allow it, and b) the US has too many partners (JAXA, UAE, possibly Saudi Arabia, and others) who would complain directly to NASA administration about it

I really hope o'neill cylinders will have cool trees and shit but realistically speaking they'll be packed as full of materiel as possible and all greenery will be in the form of algae and aquaculture.

>>15314211
Nah, any true ON cylinder will need to be fucking huge to be practical (aka more time just a spinhab)
Medium to large spinhabs will definitely have what you’re describing though

>>15314213
Even at multi-kilometer scales it's probably more cost-effective to have something resembling a city inside.

>>15314197
>they can market it.
To who? If the government really feels they need air launch capabilities they still have Pegasus via Northrop, and that's got a record of actually working.

>>15314208
The rare era where Freedom was an almost completely American project, but NASA was thinking about buying some Soyuz capsules from Russia to use as escape pods.

>>15314150
Based.

>civil war happens
>federal agencies no longer apply
>Starship flies from Texas and then Florida
>the two states utilize Starship to bombard Commiefornia and New York with rods from gods
>Civil war ends
>Liberal enclaves are weeping hard

>>15314211
>>15314213
>>15314216
Wild spincels halucinate that there is any chance of their shitty tubes ever being more than bad science fiction

>>15314195
>big rock propaganda

space vs planetary colonization autism might have been the worst thing to happen to this general

>>15314241
Are you the fag asking 'But what if we invent artificial gravity?!' a few threads back?

>>15314248
They are the same fags who argued over nuclear vs solar

>>15314252
Nah I dont deal in impossibilities, was someone else

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/
Starship renders finally updated on its website

Checking these out now

https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/

>>15314241
I’m the second guy you replied to and i’m pretty anti ON cylinder. It seems like a retarded idea to me unless you have so much tech, money, and free energy to spend that you just do it for fun (as in “hey we already have colonies that are thriving, and those are backup plans in case earth gets hits by an asteroid, but this is our backup-backup plan in case EVERYTHING fails).
Spinhabs are cool though. It’ll never be self-sufficient but it’s still a cool way to keep possibly hundreds of people in orbit, or on a huge transfer/ferry vessel between planets. Plus von Braun wanted it so we are obliged to build it

>>15314285
FINALLY. Website still says ©2022 though

SeX rocket

>>15314288
I don't think anyone thinks O'Neill cylinders will be built in the next few centuries, they're always a cool idea of what to do when the wider solar system is colonized.

Btw chopsticks on Booster 7 lowered, and Starship 24 should be heading to the OLM in the coming days. After that we can only blame FAA for not having launched. Whos ready for some FIREWORKS in Max-Q? I would be surprised if they make it to second stage ignition.

>>15314306
Also be prepared for numerous scrubs lol.

>life on titan

lmao, might as well try and find life in a vat of liquid nitrogen.

>>15314309
So about refilling those tankers, would it be another Starship to refill that one then come back from LEO, and how many of these to get to the moon.

>>15314319
Tanker Starship variants will likely stay in orbit 24/7, 365 days a year. Likely never coming down unless years down the line when it becomes obsoleted by something much larger.

>>15314318
Still should explore there. Methalox rockets look so cool, I hope they stay the primary rocket propellant especially since Titan is just overflowing with the stuff. I think once a Mars outpost is set up they should go from Ceres, to Callisto, to Titan. Once we reach Titan and have everything set up to just churn out liquid methane propellant it will be very kino.

>>15314323
Right, so is it a Falcon 9 doing the refueling for tankers or is it gonna be Starship throughout the entire process.

>>15314330
Why would F9 be in the picture?

F9 is irrelevant as far as SpaceX is concerned. Its a legacy program that has reached the end of tech tree. There wont any any further development because Starship will be better in every single regards.

>>15314288
O'Neil cylinders are simply the ultimate flex. As a practical investment they make little sense compared to colonizing planetary bodies, unless everything is already settled or you have so much resources that building them can be undertaken as a secondary project.

Spin habitats are cool and have more middle-term potential. I could easily see a hotel-casino catered to the ultra-wealthy with permanent staff residing in orbit being profitable.

258 tf

ITS OVER!!! Raptor shits on everything

/sfg/ bros, we may fight sometimes but this is truly one of the best places to be a space autist on the internet and I hope you all know that we all appreciate you coming here and keeping this general alive.

>>15314330
What the absolute fuck could even a falcon heavy do? Have you noticed how huge Starship is? Would you use an Electron to try and fill up a S-IVB?

>>15314334
>>15314341
Fair enough! Thanks for helping me understand this

>>15314335
Yeah yeah I agree. I think they’re retarded [at our current stage of space flight development] and will still be impractical for a long time. BUT. Once you can do it you should do it. Becuase it’s cool.
>>15314340
Based fellow drunk anon. I agree
>>15314337
Ooh good catch. Fuck I love SX. Fuck blue origin, and fuck BE-4

>>15314324
Man starship launch gonna be so fucking kino bros. Shame we have to wait another two weeks.

>>15314324
The government is trying to kill all cows over methane farts but I guess they won't complain overw giant methane rockets as long as they get cheap spy sat launches.

What will realistically be the ultimate fate of legacy aerospace? Including NASA

>>15314374
Subsidized by the gov to compete against SpaceX

Bros the “2 weeks IRL” thing is now happening to fortnight. I keep reading it and hearing it everywhere. Not even talking about the video game, I’ve overheard it casually used in conversation and I heard it in a whataburger ad on the radio

>>15314374
they'll focus on science missions and stop wasting money on launch vehicles
>>15314381
it's just a word that people use sometimes

>>15314385
>stop wasting money on launch vehicles
They’re literally called “space exploration technologies” you dipshit
>>15314374
They will be the king for a loooong time. Eventually though, Elon will die. Whoever picks up the mantle of SX will die, even if they run it well. Down the road it will probably go public eventually. They will grow complacent and some new competitor will begin offering better services for better prices and SX will be the new ‘oldspace’

>>15314396
It will still have been an absolutely glorious rennaisance for space exploration

>>15314374
Pivot to payloads, or to missiles. More divestments/spinoffs of space divisions. Boeing eventually "makes the difficult decision" to exit the sector.
>>15314381
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

>>15314374
>excluding NASA
They'll adapt or die. It might take a few generations of politicians in the latter scenario, but if they can't reasonably compete with nuspace companies they'll eventually fail. I do think that many of the old companies will be able to adjust to a more competitive market, since they still have major advantages over start-ups and it's only going to become more profitable in the future.
>NASA
They'll run the missions which won't be profitable, giving out the launches and such to various contractors but analyzing the data and maintaining the probes/bases/etc. themselves. So basically what it is now, although probably with even more of a private component.

They really are marketing to coomers… its over

https://youtu.be/Vs0VIBDG2Yw

>>15314412
>doesn't know what ASMR is

>>15314337
Raptor is absolutely insane. I don't understand how Bob Smith and the lead BO engineers haven't committed seppuku in front of Daimyo Jeff to atone for this embarrassment.

>>15314416
ASMR sisters… did we get too cocky?

You are now imagining the Vulcan Centaur

With SpaceX Raptors...

>>15314412
ASMR isn't for coomers

>>15314420
You dont know the full story of it. LMAO

>2 seconds of testing each day on average for cumulative BE-7 test runs

Meanwhile, SpaceX fires multiple raptor engines lasting hundreds of seconds almost every day

2 sec per day vs 200-600+s per day

>>15314374
Legacy aerospace is systemic, and can survive off taylor-made regulations.
Such as "only hydrogen rockets" because muh emmissions.

>>15314145
Wow you're a real dumb nigger
>>15314150
SN8 all over again
>>15314340
I love you bro but not in the gay way

>>15314427
Yeah let me just throw crazy powerful methalox engines onto an expensive hydrogen tank that broke during testing

>>15314145
mr mathers is 50 years old

>>15313062
It certain will have identity politics as that is the driver of the current executive. After that the US is under no obligation to represent "the human population". Or to share the lunar corridor with anyone outside of our interests.

Cute dyke on OffNominal today

>>15314525
Shut up meg

So what is your favorite celestial body in the solar system? Mine is Ceres

Gn bros (except for newfags and solar chucks—I wish you a bad night)

>>15314580
Dysnomia... I know, I already gave up the hope of ever seeing a real picture of its surface in my lifetime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_(moon)

should I apply? I meet all the qualifications, but idk, I don't really see the future of a company like this when spacex exists, and anyone who wants to be something is copying spacex

>>15314587
Thats actually a pretty good one that I’ve never heard of before, I didn’t know Eris had a moon. Are those classified as dwarf moons also? And Space Engine may be the solution to your Dysnomia problem

>tfw space travel wont advance fast enough for you to visit habitable worlds
BROS

>>15314587
>>15314604
Its the least I could do for you. Lil photo of Dysnomia from the surface of Eris

>>15314622
Heres a zoom in

>>15314292

>>15314633
anyone have "earthers could be here" for thunderf00t?

>>15314634

>>15314633
Holy based

>>15313721
You are but a child

>>15314633
>>15314636
need combined version

>>15314183
>>Can use as massive heat dump radiator for your colony
That sounds potentially interesting for dual use for nuclear reactor but I doubt even the highest temperature algae still isn't going to be very useful. I doubt the delta T would be very high

>>15314634
https://vocaroo.com/1enxZdziAjaQ

>>15314190
Why is everything 8%?

>>15314622
>>15314624
Home. It's calling me. I just want to be there, all alone and by myself, pondering about the meaning of existence and everything that there is. The vast and dark sky, seemingly infinite, enveloping me. It's everywhere, I can't escape it. No matter how much I try to avoid it, the abyss assaults me. And it's not alone. Silence, I never realized how unbearable it can really get. Deafening, in quite a literal sense. They creep on me, my only company, for the nearest life form is hours-light away from this barren scenery. An eternity away for a mere human. Is this what true despair feels like? Or did my mind and own self just become irrelevant in the grand scheme of things? Succumbing to my surroundings, all I can do is to sit down and think, while gazing at the endless cosmic canvas lying in front of me... about what this was all really about. How odd, life is.

>>15314658
KEK

>>15314597
Do you want experience? You can apply to multiple places

The earth should be remained Blue (No relation) and flag should be your favorite color blue

>>15314337
>10% more powerful than the RS-25
>costs 1/100th the price
how do they keep getting away with it?

wat is clear doin

>>15313561
>>15313721

1000 km sounds far, but it actually embarrassingly short. At walking speed of 5 km/h, that's only 200 hours of usage. At Gene Cernan's max speed of 18 km/h, that'd be 55 hours.
I would hope that a pressurized rover (which will no doubt cost NASA billions of dollars) would have a lifetime in the thousands to tens of thousands of hours. And potentially indefinitely, so long as worn-out parts are replaced and maintenance is conducted.

>>15314714
ASMR videos with Clear when

>>15314727
thats every video already

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1641705045073829888

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1641704598246240256

musk starting to give a shit about going to space again?

>>15314845
Yeah

>>15313023
>>15313012
I fucking hate this

>>15314847
Idk why musk is lukewarm about mercury when hes solar panel fag.

>>15314847
He always has, he captured twitter because he saw the techfags would be able to stop him with total control over public info.

>>15314847
why doesn't Musk or the general normies care about Titan? in my humble books Titan mogs mars for so many reasons.

>>15314881
Fellow Titan friend, the main issue is distance. When tech for human maintenance and self suffiency is more advanced it will be the more useful object by far, but by that time we will have permanent habitation on moon/Mars anyways.

>>15314876
Musk secretly wants a planet he can terraform, or paraterraform at least. Can't do that on Mercury. He wants a planet where there's a proper "outside", even if it's fairly shitty. That means at least some indigenous atmosphere, and some interesting geology.

>>15314881
>Titan mogs mars for so many reasons.
Oh yeah? Name three.
You people take one look at the atmospheric pressure
>wowzers! 1.5 Bar!
and think that is the end of the story.

>>15314881
Make a movie with heroes going to Titan to achieve some objective that's a thinly veiled metaphor for Current Thing on Earth. That's how you get normies to care.

>>15314897
That's Gattaca

>>15314896
Titan
>looks cooler
>has more wayy valuable resources
>radiation protection
>orbits Saturn
>easy access to a bunch of valuable moons

>>15314896
NTA, but unlimited water/air/fuel on hand as long as you have some fission to process it. For Mars it remains to be seen how scalable water/air in situ will be for long term colonization, also cuts in to the amount of fuel you can make. For Titan the main constraint will be metals to upkeep devices used to process resources. Both Mars and Titan will probably have immense tool upkeep to maintain local extraction and processing facilities.

>>15314900
>>15314903
No fisionables
No metals at all really
No gravity
Unbelievable cold
Titan - the fart planet of the solar system

>>15314900
For example - those mountains? They're not rock. They're solid farts. That lake is also farts.

>>15314905
It all comes down to how much mass must be imported per person to maintain life and systems. We won't know these numbers until we start actually trying to find them out.

s24 moving out tomorrow

>>15314913
thats based, free farts for the rocket

>>15314900
also no low pressure

>>15314900
>looks cooler
>>>/lit/

>>15314847
>if you don't talk about a certain subject or topic 24/7, you don't give a shit about it anymore
bro you fucking dumb

>>15314206
NASA is FAR more likely to shove a troon in there than ESA is
Not that ESA is fundamentally better, but look at this list and tell me with straight face troonery is not Anglo brain-rot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transgender_political_office-holders

>>15314943
Anglos are also the only ones to jump through hoops using the "native" names for places
>Beijing
>Turkiye
>Kyiv
Nobody else does this

>>15312998
Fix'ed

>>15314943
that is unless the UK agency rejoins ESA in which case the chances of an ESA astroonaut jump up to 100%

>nautical miles

Does ULA really?

>>15314992
pounds force

>>15314992
More authentic than meters
>69 nautical miles = 1 degree at the equator
as opposed to
>The meridian circumference of the earth is 40,000m except not really because we fucked it up because we're 18th century french terrorists

>>15315000
60*

>>15315000
The french are so insanely dumb it's unreal

Methalox race to orbit klaxon: Landspace has completed final assembly of the second Zhuque-2 rocket.

>>15314992
>so here’s how far our rocket would go if it was a boat

>>15314992
>>15315000
>>15315013

>>15314400
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion
You drive a lot, don't you?

>>15314881

>>15314899
>Gattaca
Titan is just a name in that flick, could just as well be any location beyond the Moon

I fear they're not going to be able to requalify the carbon fiber for flight. Just the engines and avionics.

>>15314881
It's cold as fuck

>>15315052
how come spacex rocket charring looks so good, like they've come through hell and survived pretty much fine, but RL looks like it's got a bad rash?

https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1641614060851527680

>>15315056
Earther sisters..

>>15315056
holy based, I never expected to see such sentiments outside /sfg/.

>>15315055
The rocket is mostly aluminum but yeah the interstage on F9 is (unpainted?) CF too.
Falcon 9 is way bigger so it could be that the shockwave is further removed from the surface so doesn't heat the rocket as much.

https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1641628899607220227

>>15315056
based but i wouldn't trust Musk to get us there.

>>15315055
>>15315063
But to answer the question why it *looks* like ass it's because paint doesn't stick so good to carbon composite as it does to aluminum.
you can see it flaked off rather than that ablated away look falcon 9 has.

>all e*rthers permitted to visit Mars must prostate themselves before the tomb of Elon Musk or have their oxygen privileges waived.

>>15315064
Based Yud, I am now an Ethical Accelerationist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Ob6DaMM2k
i want this fucking thing to launch already aAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>15315056
>https://www.sciencenews.org/article/off-earth-build-future-space-book
>His response: “We’ll worry about that later.”
It's a book about hypothetical questions about space colonization that uses the revolutionary technique of applying past events into the future and asking how they would fold out, then the articles takes the moral highground of saying that space proponents has never ever pondered on these questions and are blind out of their own enthusiasm, the book even
>She quotes experts in fields that don’t often come up in space science: ethics, philosophy, Indigenous history, law.
Which is something that no one, with an interest in space, has ever done nor are subjects, that by their accessibility haven't been discussed to death and has the final hot take of.
>Most of these questions don’t have clear answers. That’s partly because ethical questions rarely do

Might as well go to atomic rockets and learn something instead

>>15315088
bro...
what is this

>>15315100
anon has gay porn on his drive. It's not surprising.

>>15314150
I don't see how a Florida governor not recognizing criminal charges against an ex-president can cause a civil war.

>15315109
i don't see how you thought this was on topic

>>15315100
Peak posthuman performance
You may not like it
But that's what it looks like

>>15315064
>Yud

>>15315136
Does Yud get to go to Mars? Someone needs to make sure the colony AI stays aligned and doesn't go rampant.

>>15315136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXARrMadTKk

>>15315091
Yeah I was skimming through that and got to the "there is no clear answers" and was like what the fuck is the point of this article or the book even?
just empty bullshit words
everything has been extensively discussed and thought about from almost every concievable direction for like 70 years in science fiction
these niggers should maybe read a book sometime

F

>>15315175
Why not go all the way with 100% and just dissolve everything. What will the other 15% do?

>>15315178
search for investors.

>>15314876
He thinks large-scale space-based solar power is a waste and we should just be doing nuclear instead.

>>15315009
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

>>15315182
I like large scale solar thermal for stations and long duration ships to minimise dependence on fueling

>>15315055
>bad rash
Its what happens when you work with composites.

>>15314658
Lmfao
Thundercunt actually has a really nice voice, he should do audiobooks

>>15313686
>>15313850
https://spacenews.com/astra-says-rocket-4-development-on-schedule-for-late-2023-first-flight/
>Astra is still planning to conduct a first launch of its Rocket 4 vehicle before the end of the year
>Those milestones, he said, include completing qualification of the upper stage engine and a full-duration static-fire test of the first stage engine. The company has also conducted testing of the vehicle’s propellant tanks and work on the production line for the vehicle.
It's not flying lol

>>15314343
The statement made by >>15314323 was also confusing.
The tankers are what go up and down from orbit to earth. They need a heat shield and be able to land.
The DEPOT is what stays in orbit forever and gets topped up by TANKERS.
The ship doing the mission (HLS, Mars lander etc) then docks to the DEPOT and fills up from there.
You need about 8 tanker flights to the depot for one starship trip LEO to NRHO to lunar surface back to NRHO

New Arianegroup director, Martin Sion

HM7B project director during the A5 ECA development
SNECMA space propulsion technical director from 2005 to 2013
Chief executive of Safran Nacelles 2013-2015
Chief executive of Safran Electronics & Defense (Sagem Défense Sécurité) 2015-2023

It seems he was one of the main lobbyist for saving the Vernon Vulcain production line, aka one of the main reason for the final design of Ariane 6 over PPH

I feel like we are overdo for a big happening; my bones tell me it will be today bros.
Some crazy news will be broken by berger or davenport or sheetz. Or Anatoly will have some random scoop on pockocmoc drama. Or something, but it will happen—and it will be big news

>>15315227
Nothing ever happens.

>>15315224
>SNECMA technical director for eight years
kek

>>15315227
>something, but it will happen—and it will be big news
>Road closure: cancelled
that will be it

I've wondered for a while if Nelson only took the reins at NASA because the SLS, the success of which he'd been banking either his rep or his political capital on for years was being threatened by spacex.
Now I'm wondering if it's the same with >>15315224 but with A6.

>>15315246
You must take your meds

>>15315227
small peppering of small events keep happening

>>15315016
>more accurate
[citation needed]
It's a unit based on something at sea level, and not even a good multiple. Really, 69? Did Bill and Ted come up with this?

>>15315178
I asked yesterday, and I'm thinking now it might be related to duty to shareholders, because doing this means they merely lose most of their money rather than all of it

>>15315224
Is this dude replacing Israel or is that a different position?

>>15315224
Typical pedantic, annoying French bureaucrat face, I don't like him

>>15315275
Israel is Arianespace.
This guy is Arianegroup

Arianespace used to be a real company with real skills and some independence, but has been emptied out of its skills after Arianegroup (Airbus-Safran Launcher) bought it in 2014. Stephane Israel is really just a marketing guy now.

>>15315297
>Arianegroup director is Sion
>Arianespace director is Israel
What is going on in France

OLM scaffolding is coming down now.

Two more weeks.
Work on the orbital launch mount continues.

>>15315310
Lol

>>15315310
kek
Sion is actually both a jewish and gentile name in France and Belgium

>>15314881
It's TOO FUCKING FAR. Without a fusion torch, it would take us over 3 years to get there one way. We don't have the tech to make that happen.

>>15315337
QI drives will give us constant 1g acceleration. 5 days? Halfway to Saturn. 9 days? Halfway to the Kuiper belt

>>15315088

>>15315347
So 5 days to get halfway and 5 days to decelerate?

>>15315336
Origin 1
Hebrew ציון (tsiyón) -> Latin Sion -> French Sion
But in french speaking regions there's also
Orign 2
Celtic sedo (peace/tumulus) -> Latin Seduni -> Latin Sedunum -> French Sion
Origin 3:
Proto-germanic: ansuz+helmaz (Aesir's helm) -> old german Anshelm -> German Anselm -> French Anselme -> nickname Ancillon -> shortening Ancion -> Variant Sion

>>15315350
Yeah. 10 days. Add ~4 days for launch to the ferry, preparations, orbital insertion, landing preparations, and landing. Titan in 2 weeks

>>15315356

>>15315356
Reminder that it doesn’t HAVE to be exactly 1g. You could do 0.5g. You could do 2g. Acceleration should be tailored so that any destination from Mercury to Pluto takes seven days to get halfway there. It’s called the 2 Weeks drive

>>15315088
Looks like he finally conquered metabolic disprivilege (probably due to AIDS)

>>15315360
Surely it should get exponentially slower so whenever anyone asks how much longer it's gonna take the pilot can answer "2 weeks"

Starship getting contracts

https://spacenews.com/astrolab-to-send-rover-to-the-moon-on-spacexs-starship/

>>15315390
IT'S STARTING

>>15315409
We’re gonna make it bros. Thats right about when I graduate

>>15315088
borat

T-8 Hours to OFT animation

https://youtu.be/hyYqLaeHM7g

>>15315390
>when you don't have to design the launch vehicle, cargo lander or deployment mechanism

Ohh this is exciting

>>15315390
https://twitter.com/Astrolab_Space/status/1641802600331767808

>>15315466

>>15315468

>>15315469

Historically, planetary rovers have been custom designed for each specific mission. These missions typically have occurred around once every ten years. But with the rapid increase in launch cadence along with the significant increases in payload capacity of launch vehicles, this bespoke approach to rover design is no longer practical or efficient.

>*AIR HORN*
>*AIR HORN*
>*AIR HORN*
>*AIR HORN*

>>15315465
Oh shit really theyre doing everything? That would be amazing for start ups, they just have to make their own tech

>>15315476
I came

>>15315477
I mean that's what I'm assuming, as SpaceX would want to show off the capabilities of Starship with this example of landing a commercial rover

Also now HLS Demo 1 is also practice for commercial cargo landings and not just Artemis landings

>>15315480
Saturn died for this

NEIL NO

>>15315485
Shuttle cucks btfo

>>15315491
>It was totally worth giving up the moon for this!

>>15315494
We wouldve been on Mars by now

>>15315495
> mid 90s flag and footprints 30 day stay and we never go back

>>15315500
This still would have been cool. Even a post-Apollo Venus flyby would have been cool

>>15315476
I developed a progressive hatred for rovers as time and missions went on, from them being cool to fucking cancer, Sojourner being the cutest

>Formed by a highly specialized team of NASA veterans, former SpaceXers and JPL engineers, Astrolab is laser-focused on providing adaptive mobility solutions essential for life beyond Earth. The team has industry leading experience in terrestrial and planetary robotics, electric vehicles, human spaceflight and more.

>>15315390
Who is Astrolab? Are they vaporware? Can they pull this off without CLPS funding?
The real news is that SpaceX is selling cargo rideshare to the lunar surface, which is insane to think about.

>>15315511
Any and every aerospace company has ex-NASA and ex-Spay Sexers these days. If you don’t then you’re doing something wrong

>>15315505
Massive heroic effort missions that don't build sustainable capabilities are poison

!!! ALERT !!!
Starship 24 at Rocket Garden for moving later today

https://twitter.com/spmttracker/status/1641814705680396291

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfT6HIc9OPw
the future we deserve

kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfT6HIc9OPw

>>15315519
Well that was apollo so

>>15315534
A special case driven by geopolitics

>>15315530
>>15315531
> teeny tiny ISS type modules
no

Haumea and it's rings.

>>15315544
RANGS

>>15315543
Those are the obligatory Italian modules where the Artemis Accords partners will live

>>15315543
Lunar homes WILL be furnished like Bag End

>>15315543
Ty anon very helpful

>>15315530
AIEOU

soon

>>15315544
Who do I need to bribe to get a Haumea mission in my lifetime?

>>15315547
OF POWUUUUUGGGGHHHHH

>>15315543
this is so dumb, its not going to happen

>>15315555
Jeff Greason and his plasma magnet

>>15315559
No faith of the heart

>>15315564
its just fucking dumb, ship habitats there, reuse the starship for the purpose it was actually built for instead of this retarded salvaging
lmao

>>15315568
It gets abandoned after taking astronauts back to Gateway so building some more to use as a base is nbd

>>15315570
for this first version yes, I would argue salvaging one is going to be so much more work than its worth
if there were many of these laying around, then maybe
but even then I kind of doubt it in this early phase of space exploration

>>15315568
>implying HLS is reusable after gateway return