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15311246 No.15311246 [Reply] [Original]

Is temperature just an illusion? A single particle doesn't have a definite temperature. It only has a velocity. Same applies to an ensemble of particles. What your thermometer is measuring is merely a statistical quantity of particle collisions. There is no such thing as temperature. When you say something is hot or cold you're merely saying you experience more or less particle collisions. Time to drop the old folk thermodynamic vocabulary of temperature.

>> No.15311250 [DELETED] 

>yet another tranny spam thread

>> No.15311378

>>15311250
hi schizo, i can smell you schizo ass from the catalog before I even enter the thread

>> No.15311440

>>15311246
So you admit that your folk ideas about consciousness such as the so-called hard problem are as obsolete and wrong as the caloric theory of heat? Good to know

>> No.15311445

Temperature is the average kinetic energy of a group of particles. It is NOT a quantity of particle collisions like you put it.

>> No.15311477

>>15311246
>Is temperature just an illusion?
Yeah.

You could argue that if it is too cold or too hot you can die. And death is real, so how can an illusion lead to something real?
But theoretically speaking, you could be an extreme case of paranoid schizo that thinks his life is in danger and everyone is trying to harm him and you could do that to such an extend that your body doesn't handle the stress anymore and dies. So an illusion lead to something real.

Cold or warm are just how our organism is programmed to react to something external. If cold was something objective and not just an illusion, all animals should react the same to the same temperature.

>> No.15311725

Temperature is the rate of movement

Time is the rate of movement

Time-dilation is the same as thermal expansion/contraction

>> No.15311727

>>15311246
We can measure temperature. It's a real phenomenon.

>> No.15312156

>>15311246
>There is no such thing as temperature
Explain fermi distribution of states then.

>> No.15312169

>What your thermometer is measuring is merely a statistical quantity of particle collisions.
So should I call it a statistical quantity of particle collisions meter, or should I just keep calling it a thermometer?

>> No.15312253

>>15312156
I don't want to I just want to vaguepost in bad faith because I'm still mad about Trump losing

>> No.15313955

>>15311246
You should brush up on your epistemology. Temperature is an "illusion" in that it is a useful abstraction to describe physical phenomenon--the only reason temperature might seem like there's more to it is because we are creatures who have a sense of temperature physically, unlike say math which cannot be "felt" as its own object. We simply come prepackaged with a measuring device for this abstraction--but it is still an abstraction.

>> No.15314265

>>15311246
Temperature is real insofar as our measurements of it which have an accurate effect on reality. Sure the mechanics of "temperature" are way more deconstructed and abstract than that, and our Human interpretation of "temperature" is that of being cold, hot, or temperate values, but if measureable cause and effect on other elements of the universe as well as itself in the universe is considered "real", then I suppose it's real.

>> No.15314268

>>15311246
>When you say something is hot or cold you're merely saying you experience more or less particle collisions
yeah someone should invent a word for this phenomenon to make it easier to discuss. I know, we'll call it "temperature"

>> No.15314463

>>15312253
Ok sir, enjoy yourself then

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>>15314268

>> No.15314894

>>15314268
Define pressure then

>> No.15314942

>>15313955
>Temperature is an "illusion" in that it is a useful abstraction to describe physical phenomenon
Please help me understand what I'm looking at, because to me it seems that the virtual world displayed by the computer screen is more than a description of physical phenomena: it exist unlike ''cutlery'' that is only a reference to spoons, forks and knives.

>> No.15316457

>>15314942
He's an idealist. He doesn't believe in reality.

>> No.15316530

The most practical way to look at temperature is a measure relating to a particle’s willingness to give up kinetic (heat) energy to another object. A gram of iron at 10 degrees holds more energy than a gram of oxygen at 11 degrees. However. The oxygen will still give heat to the iron until temperature equilibrium. In this way temperature can be seen as a common scale comparing different materials kinetic energy availability.