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/scg/ - STEM Career General Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:05:13 2023 No.15304674 [Reply] [Original]

Mechanical Engineer with Ten Years Experience Making $98k in a HCOL Area Edition

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:53:12 2023 No.15304746 >to be accepted into a research position or PhD you need papers >to have papers you need to be accepted into a research position or PhD so what the fuck do I do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 11:59:14 2023 No.15304755 >>15304746 Write a paper together with some people at the R&D department of the company you work at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:12:14 2023 No.15304784 >>15304746 Write a paper during your masters

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 12:56:50 2023 No.15304859

>>15304746
Apply anyway, not like every masters leads to publications.
Apply abroad. I got into a decent euro university for a PhD with zero prior publications. The only PhD students around me who had published before are Germans or mature students coming from industry.
This is physics though, might be different for other fields

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 15:18:17 2023 No.15305046 >>15304746 got into various t30 global physics phd programs without any pubs, directly from undergrad

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:14:51 2023 No.15305195 >>15304859 >>15305046 >physics there's like 17 people doing it in 2023, doesn't apply to real fields

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:17:41 2023 No.15305201 Which of the engineering fields have the most jobs these days? Civil/mechanical/electrical/aero/chem etc?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:28:40 2023 No.15305211

People who go to academia are cruel.

>test in 4 days
>prof tells us that it will be an open-book exam
>lots of mcq and essay-type questions in a short timeframe.
>answers should be in your own words. You can't use notes taken from lecture material, books, or websites.
>mfw.
>made all my notes and flashcards from lecture slides and websites.
>memorized with Anki.

My friends who used chatgpt to write notes instead of bothering to read the notes on lecture slides or googling can use their notes.

I used lecture material because they are already summarized, and I can add extra info to make it clearer. The primary objective was to keep it short and clear, so I could make flash cards easier. I know the material well, so I can come up with my own explanations, but it will be hard under strict time constraints, and some students can just copy from the notes they already made.

I'm demoralized, bros. The prof could've told us earlier. This is a theory infosec module in a CS course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:30:20 2023 No.15305215 >>15304859 >physics >europe yeah, you're gonna get no competition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:42:16 2023 No.15305238 >skip lots of lectures >skip the homework >just read the book and do a few problems at the end of each section >midterm comes up >got a 95 percent on it Is engineering this easy or did I just get lucky?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 17:48:53 2023 No.15305248 File: 84 KB, 615x390, 3E61ADE7-7051-4E6F-A5BF-B463C4687AAF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can I get a mech e masters with a chemistry bachelors degree?

Anonymous Mon Mar 27 19:32:02 2023 No.15305478

Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm just going to be too late on the ML train (starting my phd in at least 2 years...). The more time passes the more it feels like AI as a field is going to be much more competitive and blocked, just like finance/quant jobs are since 2008. Am I wrong on this, or does /sci/ thinks theres perhaps another field in math that still will garantee more career offers than applicants for the years/decades to come?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:10:10 2023 No.15305561 >>15305238 I'm the same Something is wrong because i'm not even a smart guy

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 20:51:53 2023 No.15305663 >>15305238 people are so whiny nowadays that professor would rather give a dogshit easy exams and let everyone pass rather than having to deal with demanding zoomers and sue threats

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 22:21:49 2023 No.15305903 File: 1.55 MB, 768x768, 1659069322705481.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How difficult is the Professional Engineer exam? I have a physics background if that matters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 27 23:34:52 2023 No.15306046 >>15305238 >>just read the book and do a few problems at the end of each section thats called "studying" so no you did not "get lucky"

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 00:28:51 2023 No.15306169 File: 180 KB, 1582x1689, cat-red-cap-eating-big-hot-dog-coffee-white-background-isolated-cat-eating-hot-dog-coffee-155888900.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Applied Physics BS how fucked am I?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 01:17:28 2023 No.15306280

>>15304674
I’m curious what you guys do when applying for jobs. I’ve basically been spanning apps for relevant sounding positions with customized resumes. Do you guys do cover letters? My friend said she’ll email recruiters directly and that it seems to help. Any thoughts?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:39:00 2023 No.15306411

>>15306280
Don't apply through the open market. Get someone who's on the inside to recommend you, either a person directly at the workplace or someone who knows such a person. Hiring based on resumes is a crapshoot and a reliable prior assessment of you not being a fuckwit is a huge advantage. Half the advertised job listings are either not real or just put out there to fulfill their legal requirements before they hire the guy they wanted to hire and knew from before anyway.

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:49:57 2023 No.15306422
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>>15305903
its not that hard at all actually. if you can CTRL+F through the PDF handbook they give you its a cinch. the FE is actually harder than the PE because the FE is rather broad. PE is discipline specific.

whats a pain in the ass is the fucking references and getting the work XP signed off on. having 4+ years of documentable engineering XP and at least 3 other PE's vouching for you is difficult. for good reason though, i'm super hesitant to endorse anyone that i haven't known to do solid engineering work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:53:29 2023 No.15306424 File: 434 KB, 2518x1024, Truth.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15305201 the most jobs or the best jobs. not one in the same.

Stop guessing start learning Tue Mar 28 02:56:50 2023 No.15306427
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>>15306411
I don’t know about that man that seems like a huge reach, you just have to put yourself out there a lot. I usually just mass apply through indeed as the application process is automated and I can apply for 140 jobs in a day. Then the phone calls come in a couple days later.

The internet allows you to scale or promote yourself.

Don’t write your resumes, if your a male, yourself. I make my wife do it. why? Women are better at socialization then men. She can make things sound better. Men aren’t that great with communication.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 02:59:02 2023 No.15306430 >>15306280 i have a generalized cover letter that i plug in key words that are applicable to the company. honestly, i should start using ChatGPT to write my cover letters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 09:45:13 2023 No.15306952 >>15306169 I hope you like finance, programming, accounting, academia or teaching. Those are your routes, physics only takes you elsewhere if you're a that guy with the ego to blag your way into startups and big business

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 09:50:54 2023 No.15306959

>>15306280
>scan job aggregators for open positions
>check websites of research groups/companies I'm interested in
>email some group heads directly if nothing is advertised
I only send a cover letter if the place asks for one or if they don't have advertised postions. Honestly fuck cover letters, just read my CV and publications or fucking interview me.

Emailing recruiters sounds really dumb. Recruiters don't exist to find a good job for you, they exist to con you into grindstone burnout jobs

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:21:42 2023 No.15306993 When a state school brags about how illustrious their program is, it's all a big cope right?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 10:41:50 2023 No.15307021

>>15304674
I adore studying physics, however I am absolutely disgusted by my peers.
In my entire life never have I seen people so close minded and with their head so far up their own asses.
In every interaction they do nothing but either flaunt their "intelligence" or demean students from other faculties including those from STEM.
Frankly, I absolutely can't stand them. I am seriously considering a career change because I dread spending my working life around these assholes.

I want to ask: will these guys be filtered the further up the education ladder I go or are physicists naturally this nasty?

Stop guessing start learning Tue Mar 28 10:47:54 2023 No.15307034

>>15306959
I guess that’s kind of fair, companies treat you like a machine. To scale you have to make alot of output. I wonder what happens if we run out of hydrocarbons? We scale backwards? No more energy means less production. Back to the 1800s we go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 11:52:22 2023 No.15307094 >>15306280 do not customize your resume, just create one catchall resume, and DO NOT do cover letters at all. you want to maximize the amount of jobs you apply for on linkedin. that's how i got a job making almost 100k/year with zero experience

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 12:05:58 2023 No.15307106 >>15307021 Physicists are like that. All the cool guys went to math

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 12:22:46 2023 No.15307123

>>15307021
Come to the dark side of experimental physics and material science. I have specifically avoided particle, astro and theoretical physics just to avoid having to deal with those types of people. The semiconductor and experimental condensed matter scenes are much more comfy. Though qubit and quantum computing research is also full of ego.

Essentially all the big name, popular, high-profile research fields will be full of pseuds who do it because they think it's difficult, they're really smart or it's impressive. As soon as you branch away from those fields you get the comfy regular people. Also helps if you aim for smaller and less well-known institutions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:55:57 2023 No.15307272 File: 155 KB, 1170x1199, Hudson Rowan Ulster County Board of Elections contest entry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >graduate admissions interview >everyone but the (((stereotype))) likes me Am I safe?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 13:57:22 2023 No.15307273

>>15306427
>Don’t write your resumes, if your a male, yourself. I make my wife do it. why? Women are better at socialization then men. She can make things sound better. Men aren’t that great with communication.
lmfao he gets his wife to write his cv fucking kill yourself cuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 16:36:05 2023 No.15307541 Do people really not work during their studies? What the fuck do you do all day?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 17:41:47 2023 No.15307632

I fell for the Biomedical Engineering B.S. meme degree (no PE req). Even went and got a M.S. to skip the "entry level" job application hell and that didn't work either.

I know a bunch about the math and implementation of neural networks in MATLAB so I'm going to try and pivot to some python ML-engineer career I guess with the way AI is commercially becoming more viable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 18:02:04 2023 No.15307666 engineering and industry or research and academia?

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 18:22:00 2023 No.15307718

>25 yo
>no research papers
>dogshit master's thesis at a 1000-1500 ranked dogshit university with at best average GPA
>startup I worked at for 2 years went bankrupt
>all side projects I did became unfruitful and uninteresting
is my """career""" bricked yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 28 22:09:22 2023 No.15308294 >>15305238 there's no rigor whatsoever in the vast, vast, vast majority of classes required to graduate, at least in my experience for biochemistry

Anonymous Tue Mar 28 22:35:12 2023 No.15308332

>>15306959
>Recruiters don't exist to find a good job for you, they exist to con you into grindstone burnout jobs

thats not true. recruiters and head hunting firms typically get paid a percent of whatever your salary is so it's in their best interest to hook you up with the highest paying job possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 00:36:15 2023 No.15308593 >>15306993 every school does that retard. which school?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 00:50:48 2023 No.15308628 >>15307666 money and a good life or seething and coping

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 00:56:57 2023 No.15308642 I want to be a researcher, but I'm afraid I'll never discover anything important and my life will have been a waste of time. How to beat this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 00:58:54 2023 No.15308647 >>15308593 University of Arizona Optics

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 01:10:48 2023 No.15308669 >>15308647 and what's wrong with it? U of AZ is a fine school and apparently they have a huge optics program. you seem autistic

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 01:25:35 2023 No.15308703 >>15308642 Your life will have been a waste of time regardless of what you do or do not achieve during it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 03:22:25 2023 No.15308968 >>15305238 I did this with a class last semester. I would've gotten an A in the course had attendance not been part of the grade. It's such bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 05:52:59 2023 No.15309219 >>15308332 anon made no reference of salary in his post, the exact line you quote >>grindstone burnout jobs cmon anon. read

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 06:06:48 2023 No.15309236 >>15309219 yeah man, sometimes you gotta grind it for a while. nobody gets their dream job outta college. paying dues is a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 06:36:53 2023 No.15309328 >>15307718 >25 Bro youve barely even started, go do a PhD or some shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 06:40:37 2023 No.15309338 >>15305238 >>just read the book and do a few problems at the end of each section This is where you realise attending lectures is worthless. Reading books is all that is required.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 08:55:01 2023 No.15309595 Entirely failed a Statics course with a shit professor, retook it and got a 90 and turns out statics is braindead easy Any tips so I don’t have to rely on the professor?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 09:19:34 2023 No.15309617 >>15309595 >Any tips so I don’t have to rely on the professor? We had some study tips quite a while ago, perhaps time to add them to the FAQ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 09:46:27 2023 No.15309635 >>15308669 Everyone always talks shit to me on 4chan for not being prestigious enough

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 09:51:44 2023 No.15309640 >>15309635 Many such cases. I wouldn’t worry about it

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 11:45:53 2023 No.15309807 >>15309595 >>15309617 It is here: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Study_Methods

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 12:29:49 2023 No.15309895 >>15309807 Thank you

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:24:09 2023 No.15310000 Recently, I have been applying to jobs by claiming in my cover letter that I have been selected for the same role at a competitor. Is this an acceptable practice? Or am I in danger of being blacklisted?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:39:42 2023 No.15310037 can I continue on to a phd in physics after a master's in optics or am i permanently locked out

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:50:21 2023 No.15310049 >>15310037 What is a master's in optics about? Do you know any lasers or electronic? Sounds like you probably can, quantum optics and optoelectronics are huge fields at the moment

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:55:57 2023 No.15310057

>>15310000
Not sure if there is danger but this is incredibly retarded. This is literally doing you no favors at that initial stage.

The only stage at which a competing offer plays any role is when they are making you an offer as it gives you leverage in the negotiations. When they are first screening you all of that is irrelevant. If you are a shitty candidate then they will just laugh at their competitor for hiring a retard.

And while it is not procedure, you better pray that HR at your target company doesn't have any friends at HR from the company you are lying about. They may ask about you and then immediately know you are a liar. If that happens (unlikely) then they will blacklist you for real. But if you do get to an advanced stage they may even ask you for documentation of the offer in writing and then they'll figure out you are retarded and THEN they will blacklist you 100%.

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 13:57:11 2023 No.15310059

>>15310049
I did a master's in optics because I work for a laser company. But I think I want to continue on to a phd but there are not many universities for optics, there are many many more physics programs. I could just return to my master's school I guess but I wanted to try somewhere else. I just hope they would accept my credits. I realize I didn't do a physics masters but I am hoping they consider optics closely related enough that they accept it.

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 14:01:10 2023 No.15310067

>>15304746
Second point is bs. You can demonstrate your capability for research without being in a research position. Generally this involves working with a professor or their group and getting your name on some stuff. They're usually happy to help students who show an interest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 18:23:33 2023 No.15310614 >>15310057 Thanks for the response. In case I wasn't clear before, I do actually have a job offer at a company but I never name this company in my cover letters. I only refer to it as a "rival firm ".

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 18:24:11 2023 No.15310618 >>15310614 This sounds autistic as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 18:33:33 2023 No.15310653 >>15310618 Yeah, I thought so too and wanted a second opinion. That's why I posted about it in the first place. Thanks, I'll stop doing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 19:00:34 2023 No.15310747 Who are the who's who of industrial engineering?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 19:02:29 2023 No.15310755 Were engineers the overlords of the 1850-1950 period?

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 20:18:06 2023 No.15310970

I want to work with data science applied to cosmology.
The applied mathematics course in my uni is very flexible in the sense that it has as many electives as it has obligatory disciplines. I'm thinking about changing courses to applied mathematics and using the flexibility of the course to specialize myself in both data science and mathematical physics, so that I can work with data science applied to cosmology.
Do you guys think this is a viable plan?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 20:23:30 2023 No.15310983 >>15305561 Yes, you bet something is wrong. I'm 50 and have worked in Software Engineering for >25y. All the young guys have PHDs now, but they are hardly better than me, some much worse. The standards are slipping.

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 20:38:17 2023 No.15311017

(Scottish Qualification levels incoming) Lads, i'm doing a HNC in Chemical Engineering and will be going for the HND. that's about equivalent to 2 years in university, so not the full kings deluxe of bigbrain. If I finish the HND I will be able to apply for 3rd year in a university, shit like Heriot-watt and Strathclyde or go into a job like a laboratory technician.
Problem is even thinking about applying for university scares the bajeezus out of me where it feels like they want me to make my mind up before i'm even halfway through the year.
So which should I fear more in terms of progression? Going to university or getting a fucking job?

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:39:02 2023 No.15311155

>>15310059
Maybe look around for something in cellbiology, neuroscience or other fields where microscopes are used. Been in a cell biology institute and now in a neuroscience institute. In both were PhD students from physics going into optics that were developing microscopy systems and techniques. They then applied the microscope for some small experiments together with a biologist to verify that it works.

>>15310983
25 years of actual work experience vs. 8 years of theory is quite a difference.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:46:53 2023 No.15311175 can i master a STEM subject with an iq in the 120-130?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:47:55 2023 No.15311178 >>15311175 >an iq in the 120-130? in the 120-130 range?*

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 29 21:50:56 2023 No.15311189 >>15311175 >>15311178 yes

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 22:34:44 2023 No.15311280

i dont have the right A levels to do electrical engineering here in england. I really want to do it and thought if i covered the rudimentaries of electrical engineering on my own i'd stand a chance of getting in
My a level grades are good (A*A*A) in chemistry biology history , but they arent right for EE.

how should i got aabout fixing this?

Anonymous Wed Mar 29 23:57:06 2023 No.15311454

>>15311280
I don't have the slightest clue what the fuck you just said, but I have a bachelor's in EE. The only thing that I can think you'd need to know for admission is a demonstrated proficiency in math. If you struggle with math, I'd recommend just watching some playlists on youtube. PatrickJMT is great for calculus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 03:01:01 2023 No.15311829 >>15307094 second this, just accepted an offer for 120k in LCOL with ~2 YOE, i got it and two other very solid offers just by spamming one well written resume cover letter? fuck you, next

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 03:24:09 2023 No.15311852 >>15305201 most jobs are software or software adjacent i don't think anything really tops aerospace for coolness though, new space probably has the coolest shit to work on right now

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 03:33:13 2023 No.15311869 >>15311175 you'll be mediocre. don't do a PhD, it'll be a waste of both your time and everyone else.

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 04:42:27 2023 No.15311981

>>15308294
There's also no rigor in the vast, vast, vast majority of engineering programs anymore either. That's why everyone and everything industry is moving toward only seriously considering applicants from the top 10 schools for most internships, co-ops, and entry level to early career jobs with the rest going to the remaining top 25. The alumni of the other schools can fight over the few remaining scraps.

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 05:32:54 2023 No.15312057
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>>15304674
idk why anyone here takes colleges and prestige so seriously. I work in tech and for every coworker with a CS degree, or PHD in physics, or even an MBA, there's some guy with no degree, or some other guy who's worked at the company for 10 years and worked his way up.

I could be in a bubble, not aware of the "talent" around me, but everyone just comes off as just another regular person.

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 06:59:15 2023 No.15312151
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I didn't study for my quantum test, should I even show up? I failed the first one and it's my last class to graduate. It'll be pretty embarrassing to turn in a shitty blank test.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 07:03:33 2023 No.15312158 My younger brother really wants to study biotechnology for his undergrad but I don't think it would be a good idea due to a lack of jobs in the field. What should I do? t. live in the UK

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 07:11:22 2023 No.15312173 >>15310970 Just do cosmology courses lmao

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 07:21:45 2023 No.15312177

>>15311280
No maths? It is important for EE in the UK. Your first year course will cover some topics again like calculus and imaginary numbers but they expect you to already be familiar with it. Could be worth applying anyway because your a-levels are very could and in physics most unis run intensive catch-up maths classes in the first year for people who need it. Some unis also run pre-bsc courses for people who don't have maths.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 07:23:56 2023 No.15312180 >>15312151 You might surprise yourself but submitting something is always better than submitting nothing. Shows your institution that your trying and they will be more willing to help with resits and shit

Anonymous Thu Mar 30 12:48:12 2023 No.15312674
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Anyone here working as a development engineer (any engineering field I guess)?

I'm an mech dev engineer in the O&G (power generation engines) and it's pretty comfy desu. Good career I've heard and I think the workload/stress/responsibility is pretty balanced for where I am. But I'm worried about salary prospects and promotion progression. Living in Austria with 58k EUR right now with nearly 5 years experience. Salary has increased I think 10K in those 5 years. Sucks being a Europoor.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 12:59:32 2023 No.15312691 >>15310755 >were still are shitter. get good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 13:13:26 2023 No.15312714 >>15312674 Why do you desire more if you're comfy, living in a good location with no debts and have a loving family+gf?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 13:21:55 2023 No.15312722 >>15312714 Well, I have denbts and housing is really exspensive where I live, think Munich levels if you are from Europe. I want to buy a place to live at some point. But I'm hoping this recession might fix that in the next years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 14:18:31 2023 No.15312831 >>15311869 I thought the average PhD was about 120 IQ

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 14:27:44 2023 No.15312843 >>15304674 >Mechanical Engineer with Ten Years Experience Making $98k in a HCOL Area Edition Have you considered moving? Mechanical engineering salaries are pretty flat across the US.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 15:57:19 2023 No.15313036 How do I quit medschool and go study math without handicapping my relationship with my parents? (I'm 3 years in)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 16:15:57 2023 No.15313086 >>15313036 it's so over

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 17:13:13 2023 No.15313217 >>15313036 Indian?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 17:14:34 2023 No.15313220 >>15312057 Those guys get in by luck. His parents knew the manager there or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 17:52:06 2023 No.15313297 >>15313217 White brazilian

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 20:14:47 2023 No.15313648 >>15309635 >Random faggots an an Indonesian graph theory forum tell me my school isn't prestigious enough. Who gives a shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 20:25:41 2023 No.15313677 >>15313297 >White brazilian no such thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 30 23:06:54 2023 No.15314072 How hard would it be to get a decent paying job with a BS in environmental science if I've preformed consistently well in high school and have a genuine passion for the field?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:09:45 2023 No.15314160 >>15312831 It's lower

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:12:47 2023 No.15314161 >>15314160 Seriously? That's pretty hilarious

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 00:14:43 2023 No.15314162 >>15314161 You can get a Ph.D in all kinds of crap anon, you'd be amazed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:58:31 2023 No.15314369 >>15313036 you realize that you're retarded, and that your parents know what's good for you in this case.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 01:59:10 2023 No.15314373

>>15312151
Some points are better than no points, no?
My first attempt at college, I dropped out because I would just not show up for quizzes/tests I felt unprepared for, and the zeros quickly sank me.
My second attempt at college, I barely graduated, and shamelessly showing up and scoring 30s on tests helped me limp across the finish line in many classes where taking a zero on stuff would have failed me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 02:00:44 2023 No.15314376 >>15312843 $98k in mechanical engineering puts him in the upper 3rd percentile easily. I know a guy with a mechanical engineering degree that is making $55k a year.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 03:22:33 2023 No.15314510

>>15305478
Yes, it's Operations Research. That's the math field you want. Most people in it are horribly old and it's in desperate need of fresh blood in the field.

A lot of it is defense focused (with some industrial and airline work), but I guarantee you'll see a resurgence of the field after the oversaturation of data science and AI. Especially as things become more standardized and simulations overtake analysis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 03:25:49 2023 No.15314518 >>15314376 How the fuck are you guys making such shit money as a Mech E in the US? The pipeline is so straightforward you should be clearing $120k+ by year 4

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 03:30:12 2023 No.15314528

>>15312057
That's because tech is easy. It's literally 95% making useless Apps based on already existing websites.

When you actually are working in fields with problems that aren't just 'why don't we just make this process faster?' or 'lets make an app for that!' you see more domination by people with Masters and PhDs. Not to say the others can't have successful careers, especially in organization and management, but specialization has real value.

I'm not trashing tech workers either, take the easy fat paycheck, I've been tempted, but don't compare it to fields that really require work. You don't see many people lacking in specialization at places like open.ai for example.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 04:08:32 2023 No.15314579

>>15313036
I am a white Brazilian doing Math, that was doing Mech Engineering previously. I quit my previous degree early, with only 2 semester.
I really, really like where I am now, but you have to ask yourself some questions.
>Have I always wanted to do this?
I wanted to do Math since high school. I didn't at first because of my parents, but they saw how much I hated mechanical engineering that they didn't even bat an eye when I switched to Math. And so far it has been worthy it.
>Do I know what I'm getting into?
If you are going into Math and don't know exactly what to expect, be careful. The kind of math you'll see is completely different from any engineering or science degree. You need to take a deep dive into proofs and logic first to make sure you won't drop out in the first semester. You might think you won't, but keep in mind that (at least in my uni) it has the highest dropout rate (>90%) and the lowest average grades (~3.0).
>What do I see myself doing?
I'm assuming you're talking about a BSc, because the other option is pretty bad. Anyways, if you think you can go through Math like you are doing on med school, think again. I recommend you get both an internship (in tech) and a research going as soon as possible. This is because these are pretty much your best career paths, you can go into industry into a tech company and score quite a good sum. The market loves Math grads because unlike CS grads it's impossible to fake it until you make it. There is also generally a lot of research opportunities, since Math professors don't get many students to advise and even outside Math professors will sometimes consider you first before students from their departments (AI professors in CS and logic professor in Philosophy). And not only should you do both at the same time, you also obviously have to get your major done which is far from easy. I almost went insane last semester because I took one extra class, so be very careful.
(cont.)

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 04:20:11 2023 No.15314593
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>>15313036
>What would I lose from this?
Med school in Brazil is pretty good for financial stability, we both know that. The thing about Math is that it can be as rewarding or even more, but you got to shine a lot more for that. Look, if you have any passion at all for Medicine, if you don't despise it with all your heart, you should stay. I don't say this because Math is awful, quite the contrary. But it is something you have to dedicate yourself almost religiously to if you want to suceed. Not to mention that if you're just average you will struggle to even get employed. You have a much comfortable life doing Medicine, that's just certain. If it's also something then there really is no reason to quit.
>TL;DR
If you already stayed 3 years in med school then you probably don't love math and hate medicine enough to switch. If you are not used to struggle like I am, it would be very painful. For you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 04:37:13 2023 No.15314628 >>15310059 >not many universities for optics there are lots that are optics-adjacent, like electrical engineering, advanced optomechanics, LIGO-related stuff, and that's just pulling from what I'm familiar with at my university

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 05:00:19 2023 No.15314662 >>15314518 i was going to ask the same thing. maybe they are talking about recent graduates

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 05:00:32 2023 No.15314663
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For me, it has always been actuarial science. The barrier to entry to the field is honestly pretty low for stem degree holders, all you really have to do is pass a couple of exams to walk into a 80k+ salary even if you are an autist with very limited experience. That being said, actuarial exams are hard as fuck after the first two even for high IQ people due to the breadth of topics they cover, but insurance companies will basically bend over backwards to hire you just for the chance of ending up with a potential FSA. IMO it is the most overlooked stem career

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 05:05:39 2023 No.15314667 >>15314663 To a decently proficient scientist, what would make the exams difficult? I know nothing about the field, but I'm an amazing test taker, so this might be good for me

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 05:15:32 2023 No.15314685

>>15314667
The mathematical rigor of the exams doesn't exceed anything you would see in a calc 2 course at a mid-tier university. The difficulty is mostly derived from the sheer amount of industry specific knowledge they cover, kind of like the Bar or LSATs. Also, they are taken under very tight time constraints and only offered every 6 months, with the exception of exam P and exam FM, as well as the less rigorous foundations of actuarial practice modules. Plus they can cost like 500 dollars out of pocket for each sitting if you aren't yet sponsored by an employer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 05:28:13 2023 No.15314694 >>15314663 I work as a quant for an asset management company owned by a large insurer and every male actuary I have had contact with has been based as fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 07:58:52 2023 No.15314869 >>15314694 Sounds like there are a lot of female actuaries. For me, that'd be reason enough to avoid the profession.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 09:14:29 2023 No.15314951 >>15307123 This, I also made the switch from Physics to materials science/physical chemistry and everyone is much more bearable.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 09:23:27 2023 No.15314957

>>15311175
>>15311869
>>15312831
IQ is irrelevant tbqh, PhDs are about organisation and creativity first and foremost, not meme numbers from taking an online quiz. Academia is actually an incredibly social environment. Everyone is expected to know their shit, but being easy to work with and actively pursuing collaboration is how you're successful.

How many academics do you know who actually joined mensa? Everyone who i've met who joined has been a. insufferable b. working some second line support IT job who did the test out of insecurity. All IQ score tells me is that you're good at solving a particular type of spatial reasoning puzzle, nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 10:05:41 2023 No.15314989 >>15314510 can confirm t. simulation engineer

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 11:01:02 2023 No.15315054 >>15314593 >If you already stayed 3 years in med school then you probably don't love math and hate medicine enough to switch. A quite fair statement, thanks anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 11:09:19 2023 No.15315075 where my EEs at? what are you guys working on? I swolled the factory pill and do power studies and controls work. I enjoy it but no one thinks it's sexy

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 15:38:35 2023 No.15315473 >>15315075 I'm here. About to get fired from my semiconductor industry job in a few weeks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 16:54:33 2023 No.15315648 >>15315075 >>15315473 im in photonics industry research, about to graduate with my bachelors. theyre either gonna let me go or pay for my phd. heres hoping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 17:51:34 2023 No.15315786 >>15315075 I'm sorry that you EEs have to deal with so many pajeets, I took an EE class and a few CE classes (same program at my uni) and the labs smelled like curry

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 19:04:30 2023 No.15315953 >>15315786 there were loads of pajeets in my ME classes too, i had to ponder the aroma for the length of a heat transfer lecture twice a week

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 19:06:06 2023 No.15315957 >>15314376 >I know a guy with a mechanical engineering degree that is making $55k a year. why is he making 55k as a mech e, assuming he's in the united states?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 19:50:08 2023 No.15316046 >>15315957 Because that's what mechies go for these days

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 19:53:47 2023 No.15316054

>>15315953
At my uni all the ME classes were white as fuck and had lots of hot Staceys who all wanted to work for defense contractors. I was actually shocked the first time I saw an ME class clearing out, I thought it was a business class or something at first, it was just all these type A hot bitches.
EE classes were the true pit of suffering. Fat balding guys and gooks that reeked of rotting chicken broth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 20:28:20 2023 No.15316133 Germanon going for a Diploma in electrical engineering at 25yrs old with 110IQ Am I fucked ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 20:30:16 2023 No.15316137 >>15316133 Am I fucked ? always were. also, checked

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 21:30:12 2023 No.15316276 What's the difference between mechanical engineers and aerospace engineers. I just want to build spaceships.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 21:33:10 2023 No.15316285
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What's the difference between mechanical engineers and aerospace engineers. I just want to build spaceships but I've heard that mechanical engineers can do aerospace and aerospace might be over-specialized.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 21:36:24 2023 No.15316294 >>15316285 >aerospace engineers honestly super boring desu. Each of their life's work is something like a 3% reduction in booster mass or something, these days.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 21:47:43 2023 No.15316325

>>15316294
I'm expecting mars/moon bases and asteroid mining during my life time.
At the end of the day I just want to do cutting edge engineering research and will probably commit to a PhD in physics or aerospace engineering just makes more sense to me to get an engineering degree to do engineering research though.

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:00:21 2023 No.15316353

>>15316285
Oftentimes they're in the same department and share a lot of courses. Or aerospace is a specialization track for the ME program.
Tbh you can consider aerospace as a specialization of ME, if you study ME but pick the same courses as AE then you're basically the same.
I guess the biggest difference would be that they have specific courses for modelling flight mechanics, more aerodynamics, and stuff like systems-engineering.

So if you know that you want to work in aerospace it's probably worth enrolling in AE instead of ME, just because it'll be easier to pick the right courses and get in touch with the right companies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:14:37 2023 No.15316382 Finished my undergrad in ME wanna kms with the jobs prospects

Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:18:34 2023 No.15316387
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I have offers to a few Ph.D programs in pure math. Lay it out for me, is it really worth it? I already have a masters (pure math).

I'm thinking of just biting the bullet and taking the machine learning meme. Should I get another masters in machine learning or do the Ph.D?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:27:39 2023 No.15316401 Is telecommunications engineering a dead-end major? Seems like all problems have been solved and we're nearing the limit of what's physically possible to transmit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 22:46:55 2023 No.15316437 >>15316401 No wait I'm retarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 31 23:59:43 2023 No.15316600 >>15316046 i'm making more than twice that 2 years into my career

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 01:04:28 2023 No.15316747

>>15315473
i never understand this "im about to get fired" shit. either fucking hand in your resignation or take steps to make sure you dont get fired. if you truly were going to get fired, what is stopping them? wouldnt they just do it? the whole threat seems like a meme me

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 01:06:47 2023 No.15316756 >>15316325 keep dreaming. politics will prevent that for a long time unless somehow china/russia become capable and are trying to do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:01:32 2023 No.15316853 >>15316747 I know I am actually getting fired and they have even told me the day it will happen.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:20:27 2023 No.15316865

Kind of a shot in the dark.
How do I come up with good research ideas in a specific subfield of CS within a few days? My first idea was rejected by my supervisor for being too generic and I'm really concerned whether I'll be able to get another idea that's sufficiently original and in the same subfield.
I need any advice I can get at the moment. This is for a master's thesis btw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:43:40 2023 No.15316895 What EE fields have normal, well-adjusted people who aren't 3rd world pajeets? What EE fields are genuinely soulful and intellectually stimulating like physics?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 02:57:47 2023 No.15316919 >>15316895 >What EE fields have normal, well-adjusted people who aren't 3rd world pajeets? None. >What EE fields are genuinely soulful and intellectually stimulating like physics? None.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:06:31 2023 No.15316936 File: 1.26 MB, 1920x2677, elma-dragon-martial-arts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15316919 Fair enough. It's over for the electrical inceels. Now what STEM field has those traits

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:09:40 2023 No.15316944 Can't believe I fell for the EE meme. But then again, that's the bad thing about taking 10 years to finish your degree. What was a good idea when you started may not necessarily be a good idea when you finish.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:12:21 2023 No.15316958

>>15306280
Only about 10% of hires are via "mass-market" applications, and keep in mind that that rounds together total random fags applying to positions and the interns who don't know how to get internal recommendations.
You should 100% try to find an in. That might mean working with a headhunter, or a contractor, or getting an internship and reaching out to people you worked with, and even then there's no guarantee for any one specific job. You probably won't get direct recruits from companies until you have experience, and in particular have unique experience. E.g., I get recruits for Mfg. Eng positions because I have industry 4.0 shit and pharma on my resumé so I'm in the small circle of engineers used to regulated industries.

>>15310747
No one really cares about name drops except, in my experience, the weird people who make Lean Manufacturing courses.
All you really need to know about industrial engineering is
>Every time something breaks you will be under immense pressure to fix it ASAP
>There will never be enough time to correct ALL bad practices, but there's always enough time to correct SOME bad practices
>You DO need to learn systems and programming
>You DO need to learn mathematics and statistics
>If it's complicated enough to require an MS or PhD you probably won't use it in your career

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:17:17 2023 No.15316980 >>15304674 Biology counts as STEM yeah? I'm about to graduate with a biological science degree, what do

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:17:41 2023 No.15316981 >>15316980 Consider changing degrees and starting over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:20:45 2023 No.15316987 Everyone told me that I would be a big dick EE Chad. That my huge starting salary would let me easily acquire a 6/10 gf. That I would be universally respected. That I would be engaged is fulfilling and advanced work. It was all a lie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:21:37 2023 No.15316991 >>15316987 This is true of nearly all STEM fields. Turns out you don't need to know any of it to be charismatic and charming

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:25:01 2023 No.15317002 >>15316981 I see. Let me get back to work on my time machine to fix all my bad choice in life.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:27:46 2023 No.15317013

>>15317002
Start by understanding that 4chan harbors jaded individuals and any advise here should be take as a joke or with a large grain of salt.

Perhaps look into lab tech work, or going into a master's program. Maybe pickup bioinformatics so you have some coding chops to show off.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:47:25 2023 No.15317041

>>15317013
Of course.
And that actually seems like decent advice. I guess what I'm really not sure about is if I should even bother trying to do anything private sector with just a bachelor, or just go all in on grad school. I've started doing some R courses on my own, but that's about it for coding. My degree was more focused in ecology and conservation for the most part, and while there's some stuff I can do with that, I'm just looking at other options too basically. Lab tech work seems like it could be good, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:50:30 2023 No.15317044 >>15317041 >ecology and conservation for the most part Are you in the US? Try looking to local government for ecology careers. I've seen some openings for conservation and safety related careers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:51:42 2023 No.15317048 What is the most painless and peaceful way to end my life

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:56:57 2023 No.15317055 >>15304674 Final year of CS/Econ bachelors. My universities teaching quality has fallen through the floor this year every tutor and unit co-ordinator is Chinese and impossible to understand. Any hopium for someone struggling to stay motivated?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 03:59:26 2023 No.15317061 >>15317055 Most of my professors were Chinese and I didn't understand a single damn word they said and learned nothing in their classes. It's like they were speaking English but randomized. Just graduate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 04:05:46 2023 No.15317075 >>15317044 Yeah I am, and I'll definitely look at those too, a lazy state career looking at fish would be nice. I've heard they can be kind of hard to get into though, and I absolutely fucked up my internship application kek. We'll see tho. Thanks anon

Jill Holland Sat Apr 1 04:21:53 2023 No.15317108

>>15317002
if you like to program you could do a conversion CS masters and get some comfy data analyst job or something, you would even become eligible for internships again during it

it's far from over for you<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 04:50:46 2023 No.15317156 It's ogre.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 07:25:18 2023 No.15317432 >>15316401 Bumbing this

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 07:55:52 2023 No.15317465 File: 21 KB, 498x275, Screenshot_20230401-025329.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15317108 How they do this I can't highlight it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 08:29:32 2023 No.15317499 >>15317048 peaceful? all the instantaneous ways to die aren't exactly peaceful like a shotgun to the head or a train. maybe overdosing on heroin or falling from a great height could be considered peaceful

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 08:37:19 2023 No.15317504 >>15317048 Activating a nuclear warhead next to your house. I wish I could die like that. You just evaporate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 08:42:57 2023 No.15317509 >>15317465 It is behind a row of transparent images which you are clicking on instead. https://s.4cdn.org/image/fade-blue.png

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 08:57:55 2023 No.15317530

Will it be a red flag if I wanted to go into academia, if I don't have any papers by the end of my masters?
I've been working in the industry full-time through most of my studies, so I didn't really have time to do side-projects for papers and my master's thesis turned out kinda dogshit

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 09:41:04 2023 No.15317560

>>15304674
How important is your gpa for phd applications?
>Current gpa is 1.4 at top german uni
>If I do an extra exam I could get it down to 1.2
>Want to apply for a phd at top Swiss schools
>Already have excellent recommendation letters + research experience at a national lab

Is taking this extra exam worth it?

Field is applied math btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 09:47:21 2023 No.15317567 >>15316853 sounds like youre being made redundant which is different to getting fired. getting fired implies youve broken the contractual agreement in such a way that is forfeiting your employment

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 10:28:22 2023 No.15317596 >>15316865 Find a paper in the same subfield, and write research questions that build on it. Either applying it to a different type of problem or just addressing the "future work" part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 10:34:34 2023 No.15317602 >>15316382 Welcome to falling for the stem meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 11:29:52 2023 No.15317658 >>15317602 >Welcome to falling for the stem meme making 6 figures fresh out of uni so I don't think STEM is the problem here

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 11:48:41 2023 No.15317676 >>15317658 >>15317602 I think people should put on a disclaimer if they're European or American. Stem careers aren't that respected or well paying in EU compared to the US

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 11:54:06 2023 No.15317679 >>15317676 I'm in EU, that's 6 figures in both $ and € you just have to avoid meme STEM degrees like land engineering or shit like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:09:26 2023 No.15317686 >>15317679 He meant that 6 figure salaries are much more uncommon in europe compared to america. It's not unusual to have an entry level salary of 40k usd even with a masters in computer engineering or equivalent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:11:49 2023 No.15317689 >>15317679 I mean just become a doctor lmao but there really aren't many other salaried positions which give you that kinda money

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:13:32 2023 No.15317690 >>15317686 Try 30k if you get paid at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:16:03 2023 No.15317694 >>15317679 Bro, that salary is insane in europe. Even PhDs at BASF get 70-80k starting. A normal master's gets 40-50k.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:38:13 2023 No.15317721

>>15317694
idk, maybe that depends on the field but it seems to not be that out of ordinary in IT and this isn't just from my perspective, but also few of my friends that I studied with, we're all are in similar situation
and this is with me staying in Poland since I'm too racist to move to the west, I imagine a germanoid with the same job in his country would be making at least twice that much

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:52:21 2023 No.15317736

>>15317721
I don't know what to tell you if you really believe that, but you seem to be living in your own parallel world. Germans are lucky to be making 100k at the end of their career, even in IT (which pays roughly the same as engineering). There are exceptions, but they are just that. I don't know a single person that earns six figures over here, and I almost exclusively know PhDs.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 12:58:08 2023 No.15317743

>>15317721
Only people I know who make 100k+ as mechanical engineers are senior engineers with significant project responsibility.

What specialization do you have to warrant 6 figures in Poland of all places? Either you have a very specific/difficult skillset or you are trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:01:33 2023 No.15317748 >>15317736 What the hell is going on in Germany? High 5 fig new grad salaries are not uncommon for good IT jobs in the UK

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:04:40 2023 No.15317751 So when STEM degrees are memes, what career should be pursued then ? Industrial engineering ? Management ? Economics ? Military?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:06:34 2023 No.15317755 >>15317751 Management. Everyone switches into management roles eventually, if they want to keep earning more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:06:47 2023 No.15317757 >>15317751 Proompt "engineer" is going to be the next quant.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:09:05 2023 No.15317762

>>15317743
you have to look for start ups backed by some big boys, you're obviously not going to make that cash in a big company unless you're 10+ years old senior
when a company has ~50 employees but has whole airlines or companies like Disney as a client then these startups have more money than they know what to do with it
I'm specifically in AI in motion capture

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:24:13 2023 No.15317777 >>15317757 And in brainlet non English native speaker terms ?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:32:13 2023 No.15317790

>>15317676
>>15317686
>>15317694
>>15317721
I can only speak for Sweden (where we have had stagnating salaries for a decade), but here the "median" starting salary for STEM fields (and also management/finance) is 40k USD, the low end is about 34k, the top candidates might get as much as 70k entry level, but the vast majority are in the 35-45k range.

If you're in Stockholm then you can expect your salary to be about 5k higher than in a smaller city, certain big startups with funding also give somewhat more substantial starting salaries, consulting firms outside of MBB are actually on the low end in terms of salary ranges.

I know Germany has a different job market, with higher salaries for engineers specifically. Norway is about the same as here plus 5k across the board.

>>15317751
Pursue a career where you'd be above average at whatever it is that you do.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:42:28 2023 No.15317807

>>15317790
>Pursue a career where you'd be above average at whatever it is that you do.
I really wish they taught this at schools instead of pushing everyone into universities. It's even worse here since free higher education and unpopularity of stem means that people who don't perform well in school often get suckered into it while students who could make the cut become accountants, lawyers etc etc.

I honestly think that we should institute entrance exams based on IQ instead of applicant ratio

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 13:55:26 2023 No.15317814

>>15317807
It has nothing to do with IQ, it's more about affinity for a subject and the drive/motivation.

Someone who genuinely enjoys mathematics is going to be more successful studying math than someone who doesn't.
Someone who is scared of needles or throws up at the sight of blood would be a terrible surgeon. Autists would be terrible recruiters, etc etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:13:27 2023 No.15317833 >>15317748 I don't know about IT but UK salaries in general are abysmal. STEM starting salaries are £30k or under, meanwhile houses cost £500k and up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:15:34 2023 No.15317834 >>15317814 Are you sure people who are smart don't just have higher drive to study it because they are smart?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:16:36 2023 No.15317835 >>15317834 good at it* oops

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:17:50 2023 No.15317838
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>>15314376
>$98k in mechanical engineering puts him in the upper 3rd percentile easily.
By 3rd percentile...you mean 50th? Hell, I was making more than that within 3 years of graduating.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172141.htm
Your friend needs to be more assertive during reviews because he's getting ripped off lol.

>>	Eloise Morales Sat Apr 1 14:21:48 2023 No.15317841 >>15317834 There are smart people in every field<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:33:53 2023 No.15317852 >>15317841 What about the dumb ones though.... Those are the ones that should be gatekept for their own good.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 14:36:46 2023 No.15317859
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Anyone else go full coomer on company trips, especially internationally? I went to a brothel/strip club in Singapore with some coworkers and it feels like it opened my eyes. I know they wanted my money but it was the first time I really felt WANTED sexually. Everything was on the table and it was great. Now when I travel is sleep -> work -> eat -> masturbate furiously -> sleep -> work....

Anyone else despicable like that? I mean I love my wife but when I travel, all I can think about in my off hours is how much good pussy waiting to get fucked here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 15:55:01 2023 No.15317958 >>15317835 >>15317814 >>15317807 So what if you don't really know where / what you're good at ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:06:18 2023 No.15317975 File: 26 KB, 300x300, poison-dart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I pivot from tech/EE into genetics/GeneEng, agriculture, and biochem. Nature's machinery is far more beautiful than the mess that is electronics

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:06:43 2023 No.15317977
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Guys, this might be a dumb question, but I'm a uni student who wants to get into a Ph.D. program later.
I do some creative writing and have gotten some fiction pieces published in magazines. Should I put those on my resume or CV or something? Obviously not trying to pass them off as scientific work, but would it make me look better or worse to have it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:31:26 2023 No.15318019 >>15317958 then you should figure it out faggot >>15317977 I'd tentatively say yes (depends how weird the shit you write is). That you enjoy writing is good, wouldn't be bad to add it as a hobby/extracurricular on your CV

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:40:29 2023 No.15318028
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>>15314510
I just googled operations research and realized that's how I solve most of my complicated problems both in life and professionally. (I always just chalked it up to simplification and logic)

How would I look into this and is it something I should do instead of mecheng?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:44:18 2023 No.15318036 >>15317055 >cs and econ It's ogre

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:47:12 2023 No.15318042 >>15317560 Isn't 1.4 pretty good? Don't worry about it, if the Swiss ask for anything it'll probably be more research experience

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 16:53:07 2023 No.15318052 >>15317977 I'd say it's worth a shot, put them at the end of the CV as a little something to show that you're not just a soulless robot

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 17:04:41 2023 No.15318077 >>15304674 I applying to machine learning masters as a physics undergrad but ive never done a formal module on stats etc. Can i put some stats projects on my github or am i fucked?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 17:05:38 2023 No.15318079 >>15318077 >Can i put some stats projects on my github or am i fucked? Sure, it can't hurt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 17:16:18 2023 No.15318109 >>15312057 >idk why anyone here takes colleges and prestige so seriously. because of money. You get paid for having prestige

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Anonymous Sat Apr 1 17:59:57 2023 No.15318190
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EE was a biggest mistake of my life. I got filtered hard and pressured/incentivized to keep going despite flunking a lot of courses. In hindsight should've gone to econ or law but even back in 2018 I was painfully aware of the impact AI will have on those fields.

What a shitshow, I've spent 5 years in uni and I don't even have a bsc. As someone said previously I wish I had been filtered by an entrance exam.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:05:23 2023 No.15318196
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>>15318190
Try IT or Software Dev at this point, and honestly if AI is good enough to replace lawyers, engineers, etc why even bother trying to career switch? Everything else is on the chopping block too.

Law also is still a career for you even with engineering. Patent Lawyers, IP lawyers with technical expertise are golden, especially now that AI job snatching is a legal problem in the horizon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:06:43 2023 No.15318198 2 years 9 months of experience. 265k total comp as a software engineer

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:09:12 2023 No.15318207 >>15318198 Yeah but do you actual do pronoun nonsense in your workplace? No amount of money is worth the cringe unless you're actively campaigning against it in your workplace with that much influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:11:04 2023 No.15318209 >>15318207 What a retarded question. I am not compelled to do anything I don't want to. Your brain must be fried by the culture war to ask something so stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:12:02 2023 No.15318213 >>15318209 >Your brain must be fried by the culture war to ask something so stupid. Hit a soft spot. Have fun working with faggots all day loser.

>>	Laurence Harper Sat Apr 1 18:12:04 2023 No.15318214 >>15318109 The fact that this needs to be said is kind of baffling.<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:17:03 2023 No.15318231

>>15318213
Enjoy making 40k per year because of "muh rights" when in reality most people in software engineering at tech companies are libertarian anyways, except for FAANGs. My coworkers have The Daily Wire saved to their bookmarks toolbar. What a delusional pussy you must be to be so scared of woke culture, which in reality doesn't touch most people making bank at tech companies in any way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:18:30 2023 No.15318234 >>15318231 >Enjoy making 40k per year because of "muh rights" when in reality most people in software engineering at tech companies are libertarian anyways Are you vaxxed

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:19:44 2023 No.15318241 >>15318190 tell us more about you do you procrastinate a lot ? are you struggling with math ? how old are you ? t. want to study EE this year, been out of highschool for 5yrs and 24 yrs old

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:21:25 2023 No.15318246 >>15318234 Nope. I asked my boss for an exemption and he said it as fine

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:24:03 2023 No.15318250 File: 2.95 MB, 640x640, alien-twerking.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15318246 Well then, what type of Software Eng do you do, and in what country / state? Are you doing like Embedded in North Carolina or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:24:37 2023 No.15318251 How much does GPA matter to your average employer? I'm only in my second semester and I've already picked up a B, it only gets harder from here so realistically my grades will probably get a little lower.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:28:12 2023 No.15318255 File: 272 KB, 900x900, stopdoingmath.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If were to study EE/CE and just learn some other programming stuff on my own time, would that give me more options than just all-inning on CS?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:29:47 2023 No.15318257

>>15318250
I work in Distributed Computing at a tech company that handles a lot of scale, with systems that are unable to keep up, so there is a lot of room for high impact work and growth. I work in California. I know, you'd rather get raped in the ass than live in the hell scape that is Ca. We get it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:34:54 2023 No.15318265

>>15318257
>I know, you'd rather get raped in the ass than live in the hell scape that is Ca. We get it.
Try walking around the Tenderloin in SF, San Jose, Oakland, Mountain View, and other areas near Silicon Valley. Unless you're somehow working in Novato, or Northeast California, you're reveling in or near shit.

On top of that, immense amount of taxes and pompous, distrusting clique-y communities. We get it, you're a shut-in who doesn't go outside and do anything with a fat salary. Hence why California is "livable" (lmao). I've met your type -- their personal lives are dreary and unfilled. Bodies sickly and deformed. Go showboat elsewhere, your money means nothing.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:38:55 2023 No.15318271

>>15318265
Aww bud the cope is so hard. You've been propagandized so hard that you think no high paying areas of California are worth living in, taxes basically take it all anyways, so what's the point?
I take home a little over 160k of that. I work 45-50 hours per week. I live in what is considered the safest city of its size in America. When I am not working, I go to the beach, hangout with friends, etc.

But dude, no one is asking you to go to Ca. In reality you're a loser who lives in your moms basement. It's not like tech companies are knocking down your door to hire you. Furthermore, I wasn't bragging about my comp, just stating it as it might be useful to some people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:40:23 2023 No.15318275 >>15318271 Imagine lying this much on the internet lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:45:40 2023 No.15318287 how old were you when you started your degree, thread ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:47:30 2023 No.15318289 >>15318287 18 years old. Went to community college and the transferred to a University. Took my time (6 years) get a degree (CS) , but didn't get all the education I wanted because of nonsense Uni policy (Physics + CS).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:50:13 2023 No.15318294 >>15318271 >I wasn't bragging about my comp, just stating it as it might be useful to some people. Yeah, no.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 18:51:15 2023 No.15318296 >>15318287 19. I finished with 27 because I'm a dingus.

>>	Lionel Robertson Sat Apr 1 18:58:24 2023 No.15318307 >>15318287 Stats 18-22<div class="xa23b"><span class="xa23t"></span><span class="xa23i"></span></div>

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 19:00:31 2023 No.15318314

>>15318287
>Started going to college
started at 18, out of high school. Wasted several years doing useless shit because I was too stubborn to talk to a counselor and make a roadmap. Transferred from community college to the university program at...I think 23. Then graduated with a bachelor's at 25.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 19:20:30 2023 No.15318350 >>15318287 18, I'm no prodigy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 19:32:36 2023 No.15318376 >>15316987 >That my huge starting salary would let me easily acquire a 6/10 gf It's over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 19:42:34 2023 No.15318402 >>15316987 Uhm, who the duck told you that ?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 19:53:28 2023 No.15318420

>>15317859
>Anyone else go full coomer on company trips, especially internationally?
I too am a coomer, but I used to pick up foreign girls in bars and hostels when I went on vacation after my business trips. Many good memories, though I don't travel much for business anymore. Not married, thankfully, especially after so many of my former colleagues would drunkenly complain to me about being married and then witnessing them (try) to cheat on their wives. Such is life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:00:48 2023 No.15318439 >>15318420 Yeah if I weren't married, I'd probably be doing the same as you. But alas I stay in the hotel and jerk it because I don't want to be the guy who cheats on my wife (and I think I would be).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:03:31 2023 No.15318445 >>15318420 foreign girls of different race is always the most sexually attractive maybe it has something to do with genetic diversity

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:13:21 2023 No.15318456

>>15318439
>Yeah if I weren't married, I'd probably be doing the same as you. But alas I stay in the hotel and jerk it because I don't want to be the guy who cheats on my wife (and I think I would be).
Admirable. Especially if you have kids, keep it together for them at least.
>>15318445
I have a degen kink for Asian girls like any red-blooded white man, but I still prefer Euro girls overall. I never want to creampie an Asian girl because I don't want to accidentally create an insane Kalergi mutt, but I ALWAYS coom in white girl pussy without hesitation desu.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:15:59 2023 No.15318461

>>15318456
Just to stay on-topic: young zoomer frens ITT should try and get a STEM job with business travel perks because it's fucking fun. If you can't then at least try to get something cool and interesting to work on, or else you're gonna hate your life AND be poor as fuck.
t. 30 year old boomer engineering chad

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:18:43 2023 No.15318465 >>15318461 what type of work gives travel perks in stem?? really interested

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:25:30 2023 No.15318481 >>15318465 jobs where you set up manufacturing equipment or sth like that

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:25:44 2023 No.15318482

>>15318465
Anything where you're selling products or doing R&D internationally. Many industries have jobs which fit this description, you just have to look for them (or get lucky, I suppose). I sort of fell into it by accident because the product they assigned me to at my former company had us do collaborative development with a few European companies (I'm US-based), so I got to travel over there a lot for meetings and other collaborative work. Easiest way to get into this would probably be to target companies which you know have big international projects and then transfer internally into those roles, if you can't find an external job req to get you there.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 20:43:06 2023 No.15318512

>>15318465
Consulting companies in Europe, most IT consultancies outsource to offices in Bucharest or Warsaw, so my friends there who do basic code monkey work get fully paid trips to these places about twice a year, no work gets done it's mostly just a long binge while wearing suits

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 21:30:05 2023 No.15318597 >>15318512 why would they have towork somewhere else can’t they just work on an office and do online meetings?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 21:34:14 2023 No.15318607 >>15318597 90% of the reason is to just go there to party. "Team building" with colleagues at the foreign offices

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 21:54:37 2023 No.15318641

>>15318597
This might sound strange to your average negrified zoom zoom, but before 2020 it was not common to work remote and "teleworking" or "telecommuting" as they called it was generally despised as being inefficient. So business travel was common, and personally I like it because of >>15318607.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 21:57:08 2023 No.15318647 Any thoughts on actuarial science? I'm at the point in my degree were I need to decide between cs and math and I'm feeling pretty lost. The problems that actuaries work on sound interesting but exams sound fucking awful.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:00:11 2023 No.15318655

>>15318647
Do a math/CS double major if possible, otherwise just do CS but audit some upper division math classes like real analysis and definitely a probability/advanced statistics sequence, along with your CS courses like ML/AI. That would cover all your bases pretty well in case you don't want to codecuck and try the actuarial or quant finance route.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:20:25 2023 No.15318692 What do I have to study in order to have lots of sex with attractive women ?

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:20:29 2023 No.15318693

>>15318647
A close friend of mine took the P exam, and I knew other actuaries who took 5-7. I think if you are a good math test taker you should be fine, but be prepared for 10-15 hours per week of studying for 2-3 months before each exam.

But friend, please do not get an actuary degree. At this point with AI, it's hard to predict what degree to get in general, but I think something like CS or Math where you are learning general problem solving skills is better because it gives you more options. You can always take the actuary exams yourself and easily get a good job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:23:07 2023 No.15318695 >>15318692 sex

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:24:16 2023 No.15318698 >>15318692 "experienced" roasties can tell who is experienced at sex from their musculature, gait, and posture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:39:55 2023 No.15318714 >>15318692 Fitness / Sports How to appear confident Friend-making

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 1 22:57:16 2023 No.15318748 >>15318481 Can confirm. I know a couple of guys who are in the US maybe 2-3 months out of the year. They're usually overseas setting up new builds.

Anonymous Sat Apr 1 23:14:03 2023 No.15318778

>>15318693
The degree is a BS in math with a concentration in actuarial science. It's the same as the math degree except more focused on stats instead of classes like abstract algebra and analysis with additional economics and fiance classes. If I got a BA in computer science in addition to the BS degree it would only be an extra 30-40 credits so maybe I should consider that.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:06:13 2023 No.15318910
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>>15318196
I took some electives in programming and found it even more... Soulless? I really wasn't that interested in it even though ironically I got best grades in it

>>15318241
>do you procrastinate a lot ?
Yes
>are you struggling with math ?
I don't know. I have no idea how good I'm at math because I have no way to cross reference my abilities post covid. I feel kinda retarded since it took me an hour or two how to figure out how to maximize channel capacity under frequency selective fading. I mean why equations are what they are and why the math shown is that way
>how old are you ?
Mid 20s

I procrastinate a lot but I don't know if I do it because I'm lazy, stupid or both. I've come to think that lazy people, those who procrastinated in middle- or highschool did it because they didn't understand or were even capable of grasping the things shown to them.

Maybe I'm just getting filtered which leads into apathy, inaction and depression. Maybe I'm getting filtered because of my depression which leads into inaction but then again a lot of intelligent people have achieved much more while depressed

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:08:05 2023 No.15318914 >>15318910 In an AWGN channel

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:17:07 2023 No.15318924 >>15317790 Almost correct about Norway. Average starting salary for engineers with a bachelor degree is 55k USD.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:38:25 2023 No.15318960
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>>15318910
>I took some electives in programming and found it even more... Soulless?
Yeah, I struggle with that too. There's a handful of software related jobs that have "soul" (embedded IoT, dynamic highly-mobile robotics, Sensor work, Aerospace, & Agricultural work, anything that extends beyond the desk really) but unfortunately these are real niche and rare / hard to obtain.

Fact of the matter anon is fulfilling "soulful" careers are almost non-existent. Pursuit of them may yield success but produce tons of suffering. (e.g. You become an awesome artist, but AI enters you're finding even less work.)

Find soulful hobbies to do on the side while you fund yourself with marketable skills. Look up the concept of "ikigai" for guidance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:40:58 2023 No.15318965 >>15318042 It is pretty good, I just dont know exactly whats good enough for these top unis

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 00:50:52 2023 No.15318994 year behind on my degree it's so fucking over

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 02:57:27 2023 No.15319300 >>15318251 I keep seeing my ex. classmates on linkedin. Based in being around them, I estimate they got through the program with Bs and Cs, an occasional A, they all seem to have found jobs no problemo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 03:02:45 2023 No.15319316 I have heard jobs in the middle of nowhere pay more to attract people. But also, job in big cities pay more to adjust for the living cost. So which is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 03:03:24 2023 No.15319317 have an offer for a bit over $100k/yr lined up in bumfuck LCOL area for first job after college. feeling very bummed due to location though and job market f'd right now so hard to see something better (remote or better loc) coming thru. thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 04:22:14 2023 No.15319456 >>15318287 20. Wasn't due to any lagging on my part, simply that standard age to finish high school in my country is 19 and if you have a dick you're legally required to spend a year learning how to shoot people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 04:40:11 2023 No.15319501 >>15305201 All of them generally have openings, especially if you are willing to work shifts. I would avoid some of the specialty disciplines (aero, nuclear) as your major, they can be subject to more fluctuations.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 04:42:16 2023 No.15319508 >>15305248 Are you working now? I would just go ahead and apply to a few that look interesting.

>>	Nukeman Sun Apr 2 04:46:40 2023 No.15319524 >>15307718 No. Look for some DOE contractor jobs. There’s a bunch of openings at different sites with all the projects going on. What are you interested in?

>>	Nukeman Sun Apr 2 04:48:27 2023 No.15319531 >>15309635 As a complete layman (who happens to know Tucson is an optics hub), my ears would perk up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 06:37:12 2023 No.15319688 >>15317567 That's not what getting fired means in the US, glownigger bastard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 06:40:59 2023 No.15319696 >>15318196 >Law also is still a career for you Are you a fucking idiot? He just said he flunked out of his bachelors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 07:16:02 2023 No.15319741 >>15318465 Honorable mention to academia, bit as much travel as the other jobs but conferences are great and have taken me to all sorts of places

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 07:21:40 2023 No.15319744 >>15319501 aero is just mechanical with some classes tacked on, didn't have an issue finding non-aero work with it nuclear is actually specialized

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 09:38:21 2023 No.15319868 >>15317790 >pursue a career where you'd be above average at whatever it is you do i'm only good at being a student though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 09:47:23 2023 No.15319878 >>15318287 meme degree from 18-20 as i had some college credit from HS and only needed it as a req to get into grad school, still in grad school.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 10:05:58 2023 No.15319899

>>15319696
I didn't exactly flunk out, I still have admission but getting bsc seems extremely unlikely as I've achieved nothing for past 2 years. I'm Finnish so you don't actually pay tuition and you can't get kicked out for doing nothing, what you do get are gibs which creates this perverse incentive not do anything about the situation.

>>15318994
Try 3.12 years. Holy fuck I can't even believe I'm that far behind, 5.25 years of studying, only 2.13 years worth of shit done

I'm legitimately fucked, I can't even get a job so I'm practically doomed to be on welfare for the rest of my life. I can't even move out of my parents because cost of living is so damn high

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 10:17:21 2023 No.15319911 >>15319899 took me like 8 years to get my masters and graduated with no job experience, another year of applying to jobs on top of that and finally got one... wagmi

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 10:18:21 2023 No.15319912 >>15319317 what field?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 10:18:24 2023 No.15319913 File: 34 KB, 780x585, 1679823241453171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15319524 AI

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 11:05:09 2023 No.15319945 >>15319899 >not flunked out >still have admission >tuition is free So then just finish your degree you idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 11:08:19 2023 No.15319948 >>15319688 its what it means in civilised 1st world countries unlike that dogs breakfast you call home

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 11:10:25 2023 No.15319950 >>15319945 I wish I could just put in the work but I haven't been able for 3 so years. I feel so bad about it too, I can't stand watching my mom cry about it

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 11:44:29 2023 No.15319990 >>15319950 Do you have some fetish for getting people online to insult you or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 11:53:13 2023 No.15319999 >>15319990 I wish I was making this shit up for laughs but I'm not. I feel like a giant piece of shit

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 12:21:33 2023 No.15320038 >>15319913 Not AI per se, but several of the national labs have computational groups. Mostly for doing nuclear weapons simulation or other very demanding work. Degree?

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 12:22:35 2023 No.15320039 >>15319950 What holds you back?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 13:38:21 2023 No.15320134 >>15320039 I guess the inability to work towards goals set by others or by myself personally. You could call it laziness but it feels more pervasive than that.

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:12:27 2023 No.15320275

>>15320134
So it's literally just "I don't feel like it"
That's pretty sad man. Being ruled by your feelings is quite womanish. You will need to learn how to do things even when you don't necessarily feel like doing them. That's not just a university thing but a basic life skill.

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 15:28:46 2023 No.15320310 >>15320134 Outside of higher education, what accomplishments do you have, and what helped you get there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 15:48:59 2023 No.15320354 >>15320310 He has none of course, his poor mother is literally in tears because he is so lazy.

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 16:48:31 2023 No.15320490 >>15317975 Get a masters in the field you want. That’s how many folks pivot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:01:57 2023 No.15320526 >>15320038 that also sounds cool desu, before AI tried getting into digital twin simulations at Hitachi but got rejected and didn't pursue that direction futher got bachelor (of engineering) in CS and master (of engineering) in ML

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 17:26:22 2023 No.15320586 >>15320526 U.S. Citizen? (Reasonably) Clean record?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:45:01 2023 No.15320623 >>15320586 >U.S. Citizen? nope (crying emoji) >Clean record? yep

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 17:50:08 2023 No.15320633 >>15320586 >tfw 3 DUIs and I make more than all you fags Lick my drunken nuts

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 17:56:46 2023 No.15320652 >>15320623 Okay. You won’t be working on weapons stuff, but I think Oak Ridge does some computational bio work, among other things. Several of the labs do unclassified stuff, so you’d have options.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:06:59 2023 No.15320669 >>15320633 How about you pass me a drink instead

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 18:33:17 2023 No.15320715 >>15319912 CS/software

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:06:26 2023 No.15320770 >>15320652 how hard is it get into this sort of national labs? I imagine probably quite a lot of people want to be there for a steady paycheck Also I imagine foreigner are less desirable than nationals no matter what too

>>	Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 19:50:31 2023 No.15320871 >>15320770 I’ll admit it would be pretty competitive, especially for an FN. You’d need a doctorate. Is there an equivalent lab in your country (where are you)?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:53:05 2023 No.15320880 >>15320770 the US is for everyone. No one is a foreigner here. You will be what they call a "US person" all the advantages of a citizen with none of the burdens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 19:54:57 2023 No.15320888 >>15320871 Hey nukeman I have a nuclear background, but I'm also an idiot who studied physics instead of engineering. What can I do with myself besides be a $45k/yr excel monkey?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:05:29 2023 No.15320908 >>15320871 Pooland, there are few labs but desu doing PhD here seems like hell, I made more working part-time in the industry during studies than my professors did Besides that majority of people that stay in academia here are imbeciles

Anonymous Sun Apr 2 20:11:13 2023 No.15320925

>>15320275
All true. Even thinking of work saps all energy out of my body for some reason.

>>15320310
I've accomplished nothing of note to be honest. I was a conscript for 6 months and had a summer stint as an personal assistant for a stroke victim but that's that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 2 22:28:28 2023 No.15321206 Any tips for salary negotiations scibros? Entry-level, so not a ton of wiggle-room, and I get flexible hybrid options already, so it's more trying to squeeze in a couple of extra grand a month.

Nukeman !!0o0ym20aUPx Sun Apr 2 22:45:36 2023 No.15321233

>>15320888
The facility engineering group I’m a part of hired a nuclear physics major. She works on radwaste management and on nuclear fuel receipts. She does a good job and is very motivated. Admittedly, her role is very paperwork/excel heavy, but it is interesting. Overall though, many of the engineering roles at DOE complex sites will take physics majors into their engineering groups, especially if for nuclear and criticality safety. Look around, particularly at LANL, SRS, Y-12, LLNL, etc.

Another option would be to go into operations. You’d likely need to start as an operator, but you could advance reasonably quickly to become a first line manager or a shift manager. Much more hands-on/knotty gritty.

>>15320908
Could you do the PhD in another country in Europe (e.g., Germany or France), or in the United States?

>>15320925
Sounds like you have to get in touch with your old drill sergeant/instructor. I think you need someone to keep you focused.

What do you do when you are lazy/procrastinating?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 06:03:08 2023 No.15322186 >>15321233 >Could you do the PhD in another country in Europe (e.g., Germany or France), or in the United States? well, yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 09:02:18 2023 No.15322407 Just got denied after an interview last week. That's what I get for getting my hopes up...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 3 09:47:28 2023 No.15322460 >>15322407 just keep going, I've got through my first interview but right before the offer the job position was canceled after that I've been rejected from 3 interviews in a row

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 12:08:54 2023 No.15322611
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PMs are some of the most delusional people I've ever met. Just got a request from one about training a new neural network for each potential customer case during sales, with the itsy bitsy little caveat that it needs to take less than 5 minutes, preferably 30 seconds.

Anonymous Mon Apr 3 21:10:59 2023 No.15323795

I have a bachelors in chemical engineering (graduated last summer, high 2:1 idk what the equivalent gpa would be) from a good UK university (not Oxbridge / imperial tier but not bad by any means) and I'm not entirely sure what to do with myself. I've been working as a lab technician for the last 7 months or so in my hometown to save some money with the intention of doing a masters but I'm having some doubts.

I've been thinking of doing an Msc in nuclear engineering as it's something that I'm interested in and the industry seems to have some future potential (advent of small reactors for commerical power generation etc.); I worry however that, due to the cost of new nuclear + the fact that western countries do not seem to be building reactors at any rate, that the field is somewhat of a dead end and I'd be better off going back to uni and just getting an Msc in chemeng (not that the chemeng job market is particularly good either lol) or attempting to pivot into something related to materials science.

Part of me thinks, as nuclear engineering is something that I'm interested in, I should just set aside any specific notions regarding career (or lack thereof) and instead focus on studying something that I want to and enjoying myself; this however seems like a very romantic way to live and also a great way to waste a considerable sum of money on an, ultimately, pointless masters qualification.

Does anyone have anything to say about the UK nuclear sector / state of the nuclear sector in general? I ctrl+fd nuclear in this thread and saw someone earlier saying that the nuclear industry is somewhat of a dead end (for people with straight nuclear engineering degrees) and many are trying to get out. Does this seem to be a common trend everywhere within the industry?

Also, what nuclear related jobs (if any) are available outside of the nuclear power sector?

tldr: would doing an msc in nuclear engineering be a waste of money and time?

thanks :)

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