/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.1530189]

>Industrial Revolution was powered by child slaves

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-industrial-revolution-was-powered-by-child-s
laves-2041227.html

Much evil was done in the name of technological progress.

[Anonymous No.1530193]

necessary

[Anonymous No.1530194]

>industrial revolution
>technological progress
ONE OF THESE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER ONE

[Anonymous No.1530195]

wrong

more liberal revisionist bullshit

these people weren't forced to work

they WILLINGLY moved to cities and industrialized areas

[Anonymous No.1530198]

>>1530194
Fuck the fuck off right now you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.1530479]

Why do you love capitalism that much? Don't you think such things could've been avoided?

[Anonymous No.1530487]

>>1530189
That is what happens when engineers take priority over scientist in a society.

[Anonymous No.1532539]

unchecked capitalism knows no boundaries of evil

[Anonymous No.1532570]

>>1530487
Right. Scientists sitting around firing cathode rays at things sure gets things done.
I'm not being sarcastic. Cathode rays are awesome.

[Anonymous No.1532581]

>>1530195
fucking troll. If its the only work you can get, and if you don't your family dies, you fucking work there. calling it willing is like calling rape consensual because she didn't shoot him with a gun she didn't have.

[Anonymous No.1532589]

>>1532539
Socialist nations have more human rights violations. Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, North Korea, etc.

[Anonymous No.1532884]

>>1532589
Socialism doesn't have to go to the extremes of these nations. Oh, and the largest capitalist nation is the USA and we all know they don't violate anybody's human rights.

[Anonymous No.1532893]

>>1532884
None of those nations were socialist, and your a troll
>>1532589
not un-true

[Anonymous No.1532959]

>>1532589
>Nazi Germany
>Socialist

Ok, I think we know what kind of person we're dealing with here, there's no point even trying to communicate, right?

[Anonymous No.1532962]

>>1532893
So the National Socialist movement in Germany wasn't socialist?

[Anonymous No.1532969]

>>1530195
Yes, they did, but you should also mention that they did so mainly because they were disowned of the feudal lands they used to cultivate, thus having no other means to sustain themselves than to sell their labour power in the emerging capitalist factories.

The existence of today's free markets is based on violent expropriation. Of course, libtards don't want to hear that.

[Anonymous No.1532971]

>>1532962
nope, since when does a title mean what it says?

[Anonymous No.1532973]

>>1532539
Unchecked capitalism =/= Real capitalism

[Anonymous No.1532984]

>>1532973

So then what's the difference between "real" capitalism and unchecked capitalism?

[Anonymous No.1532992]

>>1532962

Are you kidding me? Private business where bloody everywhere.


Just like how uneducated libertarians somehow believes they ain't a sub-group of liberalism. To give another example, there's plenty of people who call themselves Christians, but we all know the only one died at the cross.

captcha is "and shhoehorn"

[Anonymous No.1532993]

>>1532984
Real capitalism has no restrictions and regulations that are applied by anything or anyone other than the business owner (as he pleases). Unchecked capitalism has restriction and regulations from an external source, like a government or laws or bureaucracy etc., and just ends up devolving into oppression and/or socialism/communism/totalitarianism.

[Inurdaes !lololSGJBw No.1533002]

>>1532993
Why does real capitalism sound shittier than unchecked capitalism?

I can see a whooole window of opportunity for abuse there.

[Anonymous No.1533011]

>>1533002
Because you're a paranoid socialist probably. If a capitalist is abusing an employee or something, the employee can just simply get a job elsewhere that doesn't have abuse. It's really that simple, a bad environment would just drive away employees on their own, so you can just keep your environment optimal if you want to keep people working for you.

[Anonymous No.1533014]

this is what happens when children are not allowed to work

[Anonymous No.1533019]

>>1530195

By this logic no one is forced to do anything.

Someone was holding a gun to your head eh? You WILLINGLY chose to co-operate.

[Anonymous No.1533020]

this is what happens when children are not allowed to work.

[Anonymous No.1533027]

>>1533020
>>1533014
Y'know I don't work (have trouble getting a job), and I'm still 6'2" at 130 lbs.

[Anonymous No.1533030]

Here's how to meaningfully separate opinions on free markets.

Free market = no regulation → idiots
Free market requires regulation to be free → reasonable

[Anonymous No.1533031]

>>1533027

so what, not everyone is like you.

[Inurdaes !lololSGJBw No.1533037]

>>1533011
>Because you're a paranoid socialist
Are you kidding me?
Look at this world. Even with regulations and all that shit, corporations do whatever necessary to make maximum profit. That usually involves them straining and sometimes breaking labor, safety and environmental laws. I'd hate to think if businesses could dictate themselves all the shit.

[Anonymous No.1533040]

working is bad for children

[Anonymous No.1533048]

>>1533037
Most of that abuse is done by governments and regulation forcing the business to bend over backwards for them. But abusive acts of capitalism themselves are decremental to the business, since it can easily drive away workers and potential customers, since no one wants to work in an abusive environment or buy from a company that isn't fair or safe to them; so the business owner is already obliged to create a safer environment to keep employment and profits up. And even they still had workers in an abusive environment, the workers themselves are still there consensually and aren't the least bit forced to work in that bad an environment, and since that if they didn't want to work in such a hostile territory they can just get another job as easily. Capitalism works itself out this way.

[Anonymous No.1533053]

>>1533011

Have you ever been to the real world? It ain't exactly that simple

[Anonymous No.1533058]

>>1533048
I'm tired of hearing that argument, its bullshit and anyone who falls for ovbiously never heard of unchecked capitalism of the 1800d

[Anonymous No.1533064]

children doing manual labour is unethical

[Anonymous No.1533067]

>>1533048

YEA, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN HIDE ALL THAT SHIT FROM THE PUBLIC OR TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO DOESN'T KNOW BETTER HUURRRR DURRR

[Anonymous No.1533068]

>>1533048
PROTIP: THATS FUCKING FALSE. AND IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.

STOP LISTENING TO FUCKING GLENN BECK AND SARAH PALIN. NOONE LISTEN TO THIS FAGGOT.

If large corperations are allowed to go unchecked, they end up becoming monopolies and then charge insane prices for products only they produce

[Anonymous No.1533069]

>>1533048

What happens if every company have an abusive environment?

[Anonymous No.1533071]

>>1533069
Strikes happen. Like in the 1800s and China right now.

[Anonymous No.1533073]

Child labour gets shit done.

[Anonymous No.1533074]

>>1533027

sounds like you are weak and scrawny, you need to do some manual labour so you can grow some muscles.

[Anonymous No.1533077]

>labour
God damn, stop making that typo on a American site you dumbfuck European faggots

[Anonymous No.1533081]

>>1533077
u mad, amerifag?

[Anonymous No.1533083]

>>1533081
Very.

[Anonymous No.1533085]

>>1533071
Umm.. retard.. THATS HOW FUCKING GOV'T INTERVENTION STARTED

[Anonymous No.1533086]

>>1530195
>>1530195
>>1530195
So true

[Anonymous No.1533099]

>>1533067
It eventually gets out, it's a very difficult piece of information to hide that no amount of money and power can guarantee. Rumors will still happen, which is enough to scare people away from a company.

>>1533068
Then they'll end up losing customers as a whole, so they'll be forced to keep everything fair so they can excel.

>>1533069
Then they leave and go on strike, or start their own businesses with fairer environments and rules.

>>1533085
No it's government intervention that started it all and worsen things. Nothing got better because of them but because of the human element to capitalism that managed to work itself out where time was the only requirement. Anything you read in a history book about the government stepping into to put an end to that crap is all false and liberal propaganda.

[Anonymous No.1533101]

>>1533099
>liberal propaganda.

[Anonymous No.1533104]

>>1533099
just admit your a troll so i can get back to work :/

[Anonymous No.1533105]

>>1533048
Yeah, that's the reason why unregulated Manchester capitalism was such a nice economical system to live in, short workdays (>=14h/day), healthy workspace environments (the life expectancy of factory workers was LOWER than of their peasant parent/grandparent generation, the populace also had a lower mean size, which irked the military administration e.g.) and no child labour (OH WAIT A SECOND!!!).

All that didn't change by some invisible hand, but by workers' self organization, unions, socialist movements and all that. All that stuff that quickly makes libertarians ditch their phony talk of freedom and advocate repression. Because we can't have workers improving their situation by collective action in our libertarian utopia/dystopia, eh?

[Anonymous No.1533108]

>>1533104
Sorry, this isn't a troll but mere facts. In fact it's the liberals and their propaganda that're the real trolls.

And the correct usage is "you're."

[Anonymous No.1533109]

>>1533105
you just got trolled into typing two paragraphs

[Anonymous No.1533110]

>>1533099

> implying they will have enough money to go on strike or make their own company if they haven't enough money to eat every day

[Anonymous No.1533113]

>>1533110
They can pool theirs together and create even the ultimate businesses.

[Anonymous No.1533116]

>>1533108
Thats right america! the liberals are TAKING AWAY YOUR FREEDOM!

[Anonymous No.1533118]

You people sure are whiners. What do you care so much about factory workers and their living conditions? It's not like anybody here has a job.

[Anonymous No.1533121]

>>1533108
how does capitalism do away with monopolies?

[Anonymous No.1533123]

>>1533121
Everybody wants to make money, and will create their own business to compete with each other.

[Anonymous No.1533125]

>>1533109
Hm, you're right obviously. I'll just leave this thread and try to do something productive...

[Anonymous No.1533128]

>>1533123
And when the much bigger company simply buys the smaller one..?

cuzz you know, thats kinda how monopolies work

[Anonymous No.1533130]

>>1533128
Someone else will come along and compete. And not every company will accept being bought into another and simply refuse.

[Anonymous No.1533133]

>>1533048
>>1533071
>>1533099
>>1533108
>>1533113
>>1533123

[Anonymous No.1533134]

>>1533113

Yeah, it is easy not eating for a few years so you can make your own company. And then they fail because their good company isn't enough efficient. But sure they can try...

[Anonymous No.1533136]

>>1533130
And then when that company goes out of business because the monopolized business right down the street has the ability to loose profits just to put that other store out of business..?

[Anonymous No.1533138]

>>1533136
Then someone else will come along and try again. Repeat cycle.

[Anonymous No.1533139]

>>1533136
There will never be a shortage of idiots willing to start their own business.

[Anonymous No.1533142]

>>1533138
They'll fail too. the vast majority of people would rather buy something for cheap and buy it from a wallmart than buy the same thing twice as much because its from a mom&pop

[Anonymous No.1533143]

>>1533138
>>1533139

And where do they find the money for beginning a new company?

[Anonymous No.1533146]

>>1533142
And then someone else will try again. At least one will succeed eventually, especially if they learn from the past failures.

[Anonymous No.1533147]

>>1533138
>>1533139
It doesn't matter how often or how many people open up their new business if theres a wallgreens right next door who sells everything for alot less.....

[Anonymous No.1533149]

>>1533143
The same place where everybody gets money. They work for it, save it, and do whatever they fucking want with their savings. Derp.

[Anonymous No.1533152]

>>1533143
Banks, family, other companies? There's an endless of possibilities to obtain that money, it's entirely up to them.

[Anonymous No.1533155]

>>1533147
It doesn't matter if people are going to buy from someone else, people who are willing to try to start a business are obviously too stupid to know that they'll fail.

[Anonymous No.1533156]

>>1533149
And by that, you mean take out a loan from a bank? OH WAIT, THATS A MAJOR FACTOR FOR WHAT CAUSED THE 'MERICA MARKET CRASH

[Anonymous No.1533160]

>>1533156
Or save money through years of interest.

[Anonymous No.1533161]

>>1533156
So? Let the market crash. It will recover eventually.

[Anonymous No.1533162]

>>1533149
>>1533152
>>1533155

how many fucking libertarians are on /sci/??

[Anonymous No.1533165]

>>1533149

But if their aren't paid enough to save a part of it? I mean, for a company, the best worker is a worker you don't need to pay.

[Anonymous No.1533166]

>>1533160
interest doesn't make money, it doesn't ever cover inflation

[Anonymous No.1533170]

>>1533099

Oh please, as if most humans even bother to look shit like that up. Habit is a very strong force.

Take Mcdonalds, it's a shitstain and fucking awfull place for people to work at. Working conditions are awful, animal control is non-existing. I'm personally studding work science and consult for a smaller company, and Mcdonalds is many times brought up as a scary example of how something can turn into a monster as long as it's big and powerful enough. At the same time, the committee chairman at the company I'm working at believes in unions simply because they make working conditions fair for everyone. No one will get any "special treatment" just because he's a better friend, thus corruption is guaranteed lowered.

Just compare a place as the US with random Nordic country, where the later has a tradition of a strong union. People working as waitresses and deliverymen in the US has to conduct beggary in order to survive.

[Anonymous No.1533171]

>>1533161
And then all those people are out of jobs and have to take any work they can possibly get so their children don't starve...

[Anonymous No.1533172]

>>1533166
Then go to another bank or get your money elsewheres.

[Anonymous No.1533174]

>>1533165
They can quit their job and go work for someone else.

[Anonymous No.1533175]

>>1533170
McDonald's hires inexperienced, young workers who will work for low pay and terrible environment. Sad, but they're still there consensually, and at least they'll get work experience and land a better job in the future.

[Anonymous No.1533178]

>>1533162
As long as there's an internet full of shut ins using it, there are libertaritards.

[Anonymous No.1533179]

Liberians are the biggest trolls ever, and i would gladly martyr myself so theres no possibility it will ever take any sort of government control

[Anonymous No.1533181]

>>1533174
what happens when every company has a set up like that because it maximizes profits?

[Anonymous No.1533185]

>>1533181
Then the person can start his own business to differ from them.

[Anonymous No.1533187]

>>1533181
Then nobody will go to work and the entire system collapses.

[Anonymous No.1533189]

>>1533185
And then when that company gets drivven out of business because the monoplising corp has the ability to charge half the price of what they can...?

[Anonymous No.1533191]

[Anonymous No.1533193]

>>1533187
You forgot to mention how millions, and MILLIONS, of people die.

[Anonymous No.1533194]

>>1533174

But a company needs to be competitive, and the less you pay the workers, the more you're competitive. So every company need to have a abusive environment to be competitive. You can leave your job if you find it bad, but there is a good job nowhere. So no one will leave his job.

[Anonymous No.1533195]

>>1533189
If nobody is paying anybody for their work, nobody will be able to buy anything and nobody can turn a profit.

[Anonymous No.1533196]

>>1533187
See bro, thats why libertarians are dumb. They pretty much Garnetee the system to collapse..

Pure Capitalism will collapse, YOU JUST ADMITED IT

[Anonymous No.1533199]

>>1533194
Start your own business. Be your own boss.

[Anonymous No.1533200]

>>1533189
Then someone else will try. Repeat cycle.

[Anonymous No.1533207]

>>1533199
Your using circular logic bro, we all already decided being your own boss doesn't work..

[Anonymous No.1533210]

>>1533196
No they entire economy will collapse because of mass idiocy, not because of capitalism, but because of abuse, capitalism had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous No.1533215]

>>1533196
Pure capitalism wouldn't collapse because the people running it aren't stupid enough to refuse to pay their workers because they know that nobody would work for them. Greed and common sense are a nice combination.

[Anonymous No.1533216]

>>1533187

Sure they going to wait a year or two, till the system collapse, without eating because they have no money.

[Anonymous No.1533217]

>>1533207
Well then that's just impossible, it will work, eventually it does.

[Anonymous No.1533223]

>>1533207
Plenty of things don't work. That doesn't stop people from trying. People are idiots, remember?

[Anonymous No.1533226]

>>1533216
If nobody is paying them, it doesn't matter if they go to work to earn money for food or not.

[Anonymous No.1533233]

OKAY LIBERTARIAN GUY, WE DECIDED THIS ALREADY:

1. In pure capitalism, you cannot start your own business because the major corp will put you out of business.
>but then someone else tries
And they fail too

2. Working conditions will suck because safety equipment doesn't maximize profits
>so they quit and start their own business
But then that fails too, as we already pointed out.

3. Everyone will keep their shitty job because they cannot start their own business.

4. After EVERYONE gets fed up because having a shitty job fails, they strike
While in strike, their family starves because theres no money to buy food.

[Anonymous No.1533239]

>>1533233
So don't strike, go to work, earn money, and buy food. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.1533240]

5. not everyone strikes, because they want their family to live.

6. The system collopases because half of the work force is striking

[Anonymous No.1533244]

>>1533239
but then the corporations are taking advantage of them, and theres nothing they can do.. they can't get out of it because theres nothing else they can do.

If they don't work, they die

[Anonymous No.1533248]

>>1533233
I'm sorry but none of that is even the slightest bit true and will not work. If a company fails because of competition, overtime someone else will try again and get it right. A company will have to keep safety up if they want to get people working for them, or they'll lose them to someone else with safer conditions. I'm not reading the rest of your post, it's all fallacies and liberal propaganda.

[Anonymous No.1533251]

>>1533244
Yeah. So?

[Anonymous No.1533258]

>>1533244

And if they work, they die because of the bad work conditions. At the end, everyone is going to die, so where is the problem?

[Anonymous No.1533260]

>>1533239
YOU ARE THE MOST RETARDED PERSON I HAVE EVER MET.

I HOPE YOU END UP WORKING YOUR ASS OFF 14 HOUR DAYS JUST SO YOU DON'T STARVE TO DEATH, THEN GET HIT BY A BUS

[Anonymous No.1533263]

>>1533251

Now, when this is such a horrible scenario, for what reasons ought one to choose that in, in front of other forms of capitalism?

[Anonymous No.1533266]

>>1533248
Libruls. Libruls EVERYWHERE!!!

[Anonymous No.1533267]

>>1533260
Why would I have to work for a living? I already have plenty of money.

[Anonymous No.1533270]

>>1533248
we had decided that all businesses worked like that, because from a profit stand point theres no reason not to

kinda like that early 1900s thing

[Anonymous No.1533273]

>>1533270
Those times didn't happen, just liberal propaganda.

[Anonymous No.1533275]

>>1533270
>we had decided that all businesses worked like that
>Anonymous
>4chan

Well, you appear to be an expert on this subject.

[Anonymous No.1533288]

See Liberian retards..

We already decided that pure capitalism causes massive pain for a fuckton of people..

You admitted that you don't care how many people are suffering because of your retarded dream of capitalism...

Let me question you this... the gov't is run by the people. the same people work work 14 hour days. Why wouldn't they elect someone who will change the laws so they have to at least make 8$ an hour and only have to work 8 hour days?

[Anonymous No.1533291]

>>1533273
WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!!?@!?!!?1?1?1??!?!?1?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Anonymous No.1533298]

>>1533273
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!??!!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.1533299]

>>1533288
This is why democracy is mostly a flawed concept. Sure the idea of a government run by its people is nice idea, but there's a thing called "argument by popularity." People often choose the most popular agreed upon argument instead of any actual and true ones. The most idiotic arguments often end up being the most popular ones, so therefore democracy is flawed because of human nature.

[Anonymous No.1533301]

>>1533273
!!?!>!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous No.1533308]

>>1533299
People are idiots because they don't want to work 14 hour days just so they can barely feed their families.....?

[Anonymous No.1533310]

>>1533288
Because they're idiots.

[Anonymous No.1533316]

>>1533273

You best be trolling.

[Anonymous No.1533317]

>>1533299
yo brah, can i like have your address or something so we can go talk about this more? I'll be the guy with the baseball bat to BASH YOUR BRAIN IN.

[Anonymous No.1533322]

>>1533308
If they prefer survival for themselves only over the liberty and freedom of others, then yes they are idiots. They could be just using that "feed my family" excuse to justify it.

[Anonymous No.1533323]

>>1533310
see
>>1533308

[Anonymous No.1533327]

>>1533308
They're idiots because they think that because the majority of people think something is right, that makes it so. If majority opinion determines truth, that makes Twilight the BEST BOOK EVER and creationism the way nature works.

[Anonymous No.1533329]

>>1533322
See, no. The only ones who are free are the ones on top. Everyone working 14 hour days to barely live isn't free.

Those are what we call slaves.

[Anonymous No.1533333]

>>1533329
No one is making them work, so they're not slaves since it's all consensual.

[Anonymous No.1533339]

>>1533327
No.

> Twilight the BEST BOOK EVER
Thats a matter of pure opinion. no one can tell you what your opinions are

>creationism the way nature works.
Thats a matter of pure fact. even everyone on earth combined cannot change that creationism isn't fact.

>people and their gov't
The gov't is FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE. It exists solely to serve the people, and what the people want, is what the gov't gives.

[Anonymous No.1533343]

>>1533333
So, if i rape your wife, its consensual because she doesn't kill me?

[Anonymous No.1533356]

>>1533343
It's consensual if she let you do it. Just like it's consensual to work in a hostile environment because you chose to work in it, no one else. There is no murder or death under capitalism, and if it did it's not capitalism

[Anonymous No.1533361]

>>1533339
A matter of popular opinion. And that is all democracy is.

[Anonymous No.1533368]

>>1533361
But its not PURE OPINION. Its there so people don't have to suffer.

Government isn't an opinion the way a favorite color is.

[Anonymous No.1533378]

>>1533356
>>1533361
Okay, look. I know your a total troll. And i'm done being mad.

You did actually manage to make me mad, so congratuFUCKINGlations. 10/10

[Anonymous No.1533384]

>>1533368
Selecting your leaders based on popular opinion of who is best qualified to lead rather than who is actually best qualified to lead isn't a matter of pure opinion? What the fuck are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.1533391]

>>1533384
i'm smoking FREEDOM. your obviously smoking OPPRESSION

[Anonymous No.1533393]

>>1533384
If you would like to learn more about this curious issue, please read "Epistemic Democracy: Generalizing the Condorcet Jury Theorem."

[Anonymous No.1533402]

>>1533384
I honestly cannot believe that people actually hold these opinions. Willing to make millions of lives HORRIBLE. Willing to kill MILLIONs and MILLIONs of people just for some perverted view of "freedom". A view of freedom where your only free to choose what 14 hour a day job you work.

A freedom where your free to live your life the way you want to, as long as you want it in black.

[Anonymous No.1533408]

>>1533391
Enjoy being free to select people who couldn't find their ass with both hands and a mirror to run your country.

[Anonymous No.1533415]

>>1533408
I'd rather elect someone would cannot find their own ass, than someone who is enough of an asshole to pay me a penny to find it for them.

[Anonymous No.1533418]

>>1533402
If you let people do whatever they want, they'll probably just destroy themselves by accident. Or at best cripple their society beyond any hope of repair.

[Anonymous No.1533426]

>>1533418
I'm sure people would be happier with their society crippled than their backs crippled from 14 hour work days for 20 years with no hopes of moving up the latter

[Anonymous No.1533428]

>>1533415
And that is why Bush won twice.

[Anonymous No.1533433]

>>1530189
The future of our civilisation if we let the neoliberals run amok.

[Anonymous No.1533434]

>>1533426
They'll still bitch about how things could have turned out better had they done something else. Humans are miserable. No matter how good or bad things are, they will never be satisfied with it.

[Anonymous No.1533436]

>>1533418

This is why free market is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.1533444]

I like how Liberian retarded actually would LOVE capitalism

[Anonymous No.1533445]

>>1533436
It's also why democracy fails.

[Anonymous No.1533449]

>>1533445

You're right, we need communism.

[Anonymous No.1533451]

>>1533299

[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.1533457]

Hey Liberian guy, riddle me this.. why not just kill everyone and make robots do all jobs?

[Anonymous No.1533468]

>>1533449
Communism is actually about liberating people from economic and political oppression and obtaining an anarchist utopia. It's just as bad. Possibly worse.

[Anonymous No.1533470]

>>1533457
Because umm... well actually thats a good idea, let the ruling elite live and kill everyone else, and make robots do all jobs.

I propose we do this

[Anonymous No.1533471]

>>1533457
Because at the present time AI technology is shit.

[Anonymous No.1533475]

>>1533470
mass genocide of 6 billion people?

I'M IN =D

[Anonymous No.1533478]

>>1533468

And what do you want then?

[Anonymous No.1533485]

capitalism is inherently evil just like all other eco-political system mankind devised.

however, before that system, even more children suffer under the name of the church, the king and the lordships.

[Anonymous No.1533486]

>>1533478
He wants everyone to work 14 hour days, and be unhappy "cuzz they are idiots"...

[Anonymous No.1533491]

Hey libertarian guy.. Where you live at?

I was thinking we could go have coffee and you could tell me more. your ideas changed my mind, and i wanna meet the man behind the text.

[Anonymous No.1533493]

>>1533478
Meritocracy or technocracy, so the few people who actually know what they're doing can have the power to choose for those who haven't the slightest clue as to what's good for them.

[Anonymous No.1533500]

>>1533486

And who decides who are idiots? Not the one who try to make their own business, because they are idiots.

[Anonymous No.1533503]

>>1533493
and guess how these people will view the inferior class of the society?

let's be honest, there are those people in the world that are worth exactly shit. we are all better off without them and there's nothing to protect them except a system where they have unwarranted power.

[Anonymous No.1533510]

>>1533503
They'll view them as vermin and treat them as such. I have no problem with this.

[Anonymous No.1533511]

>>1533500
your arguments are circular and your an asshole. In all honesty, if i EVER met someone making this argument in front of me, i would grab my tire iron from my trunk, break their legs, and then repeatedly beat their testicles with my steal towed boots until their testicles rupture so they cant ever have children that can be indoctrinationed by that bullshit and spread it more

[Anonymous No.1533515]

>>1533510

[Anonymous No.1533514]

>>1533511
This barbarism is why the intelligent people of the world will never take you or your kind seriously.

[Anonymous No.1533517]

>>1533511

[Anonymous No.1533518]

>>1533515
Yes, I am sick of living in a world governed by morons.

[Anonymous No.1533521]

>>1533514
>This barbarism is why the intelligent people of the world will never take you or your kind seriously.

No, i think you forget the course of history.

That "barbarism" is EXACTLY WHY YOU WILL TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.

If you forget, the working class WILL ALWAYS out number the elite class.

Remember all those revolutions in history? those are because of your type of logic.

[Anonymous No.1533525]

>>1533518

I could be worse. For example, in my country (I'm swiss),everyone can vote on every law. It is slow but it works great.

[Anonymous No.1533543]

>>1533521
Revolutions are led by lower members of the upper class who seek to use the working class to overthrow the current ruling class and take their place. That or lower class Machiavellians who then take all the power for themselves and become the new power ruling the country. And the working class is too stupid to realize this.

[Anonymous No.1533558]

>>1533543
[citation needed]
Either way, anyone whos on top and treats everyone else as "as vermin and treat them as such"(as you so nicely put it) will die in a fire.

and FYI, sometimes the lower classes do rise up and kill their leaders and cause real, REAL, REAL FUCKING FREEDOM.

(i cannot believe i'm about to say this but...) THATS AMERICA, ASSHOLE.

[Anonymous No.1533579]

>>1533558
Look at every revolution in history and you'll find someone who rose up, took control, and then made themselves the new leader. Most were already in the upper class, with all the education that only the upper class can have. Some were genuinely lower down, but became powerful by the support of the people. And if you think that being a tyrant gets you overthrown by the people, you've obviously never read about Stalin.

[Anonymous No.1533584]

>>1533579
Your still an asshole and i'd still kick anyone's ass if they were making the same arguments as you.

[Anonymous No.1533585]

>>1533113
"They can pool theirs [their monney] together and create even the ultimate businesses."
Implying that's not the fundamental idea of communism: Pool the worker's monney, posessions and workforce to create a ultimate, unified, nation-sized business.
After all a communist state is very similar to an almighty corporation, and the salaries are paid with goods.

Oh and instead of being fired, you're being fired at. With guns.

[Anonymous No.1533590]

>>1533584
And you are an internet tough guy who wouldn't have the guts, balls, or physical power to follow through on any of your threats in real life.

[Anonymous No.1533622]

>>1533590
>And you are an internet tough guy
Fair enough
>who wouldn't have the guts, balls
Anger counts as both
>or physical power
Even a woman could fuck your shit with a tire iron
>to follow through on any of your threats in real life
Again, other things

[Anonymous No.1533638]

>>1533622
Anger counts for nothing. It decreases your ability to think, blinds you to your enemy's tactics, and generally turns you into an idiot. And besides, if someone comes at you with a tire iron, you can always run away. Or shoot them. The clear, calm mind offers many ways of dealing with problems when they present themselves that an angry, irrational mind wouldn't come up with.

[Anonymous No.1533651]

>>1533638
I'm tired of arguing with you, see my tire iron for details

[Anonymous No.1533654]

How come when China uses child labor, westerners bitch and moan about human rights?

[Anonymous No.1533674]

>>1533651
Limited range, strength of the blow determined mostly by the strength of the one swinging it, easy to dodge and all you need to do to disarm the one holding it is kick them in the balls. Maybe you'd do better with a pointy stick?

[Anonymous No.1533685]

>>1533674
any of these good enough for you? nigger.

[Anonymous No.1533699]

DURRRRRR WHO NEEDS WORKERS RIGHTS

[Anonymous No.1533707]

>>1533685
Pistols are laughably inaccurate. And I doubt someone like you would even know how to load one.

[Anonymous No.1533715]

>>1533707
Actually i know how to, when i was about 16 i really got into backyard explosives and guns and shit.

I'm sure i'd hit you atleast once with a 8 round clip

[Anonymous No.1533733]

>>1533715
Sure you did, and sure you would. Not that bullets from pistols are particularly dangerous to anything unless they hit you in a vital organ. And not that you'd have the balls to fire, even if you did have a weapon and knew how to use it, considering you are a small, weak little man who only makes threats over the internet to make yourself feel powerful.

[Anonymous No.1533736]

>>1533733
I really wanna kill you =(

You are one hell of a master troll

[Anonymous No.1533745]

>>1533736
Sure you want to. But you never will. The odds of you running into me, knowing who I am, having a weapon, and getting in a powerful enough blow or accurate enough shot to even cause serious damage, let alone death, are so slim that they might as well be zero.

[Anonymous No.1533816]

ITT: People didn't know stuff that is teached in high school

[Anonymous No.1533832]

>>1533816