Engineer anons, is the mainstream explanation to 9/11 plausible? I know high temperatures reduce steel yield strength, but is that enough to make such a huge building collapse on itself? Why didnt it collapse sideways? What about tower 7?

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Anonymous Wed Mar 15 19:45:25 2023 No.15277219 [Reply] [Original]

Engineer anons, is the mainstream explanation to 9/11 plausible?
I know high temperatures reduce steel yield strength, but is that enough to make such a huge building collapse on itself? Why didnt it collapse sideways? What about tower 7?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 19:54:17 2023 No.15277232 building 7 is easy, try and explain building 6

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:00:30 2023 No.15277243 >building X still undiscovered It should be there, somewhere.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:05:18 2023 No.15277248

>>15277219
>I know high temperatures reduce steel yield strength, but is that enough to make such a huge building collapse on itself?
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Collapse_initiation
>Why didnt it collapse sideways?
Why would it have?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_collapse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Total_progressive_collapse
Sagged inward, floors buckled, absent some reason for lateral movement why would it go sideways?
>What about tower 7?
maybe it had something to do with PART OF A BURNING BUILDING LANDING ON IT?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Building_7_collapse

So you couldn't just gloss over sources from wikipedia first because... ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:06:27 2023 No.15277250 >>15277232 Like building 7, large portions of the towers fell on it. You dunce.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:08:27 2023 No.15277253 >>15277250 But the bigger buildings collapsed inwards, how did they hit adjacent buildings?

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:10:48 2023 No.15277257

>>15277253
>But the bigger buildings collapsed inwards, how did they hit adjacent buildings?
Watch just about any/every building collapse where progressive collapse occurs.
All that weight smacking down and telescoping each floor, like slapping your hands together, that air goes somewhere as does that force. Other bits fell off sideways. It's on the fucking video.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:17:30 2023 No.15277267 File: 77 KB, 770x1024, 1675037245540633m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yes. A plane made out of thin aluminum tore through a steel and concrete facade to melt steel beams wrapped in 6 inches of asbestos. Why is this so hard to believe?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:20:51 2023 No.15277272 Why did the towers evaporate into a cool dust, what sort of phenomenon causes that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:21:01 2023 No.15277275 >>15277267 Someone didn't pass high school physics class. Anyone genuinely finding that hard to believe must think bullets penetrating steel plate is an act of magic and sorcery of the blackest kind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:21:55 2023 No.15277276 >>15277257 If that's how it went down why did the buildings collapse that pancaking can explain

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:23:19 2023 No.15277278 What sort of training do you shills get before they set you to maintain the official narative?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:24:06 2023 No.15277282 >>15277275 Have you ever shot a gun before? Lead bullets for the most part don't penetrate steel plates. You need bullets with a hardened core to penetrate steel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:27:04 2023 No.15277289 >>15277282 He is a liberal, anon, the only thing he ever shot in his life was the estrogen doses.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:29:07 2023 No.15277294

>>15277282
>Have you ever shot a gun before? Lead bullets for the most part don't penetrate steel plates. You need bullets with a hardened core to penetrate steel.
1. I didn't say what kind of steel
2. I didn't say how thick the steel
3. I didn't say what caliber
4. I didn't say what velocity
5. I didn't say what material composition of bullet
6. I didn't state its mass
Yes, I have shot plenty. You're a moron. Thanks for proving my point: You don't even know how to begin analyzing the problem. So you're talking out your ass.
>>15277276
>If that's how it went down why did the buildings collapse that pancaking can explain
No clue what you're asking.
>>15277289
>He is a liberal, anon, the only thing he ever shot in his life was the estrogen doses.
Weird you'd give up the idea of knowing basic physics to a political party. Says a lot about you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:31:07 2023 No.15277301 >>15277289 >Liberal Fuck off /pol/tard >>>/pol/ Go shoot up a fucking church or whatever you retards do

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:40:27 2023 No.15277315 the towers collapsed at free fall speeds, no loss of energy to floor by floor collapse was observed, even the energy from collapse observed was insufficient by several orders of magnitude to explain the dust production

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:42:50 2023 No.15277320 >>15277315 >the towers collapsed at free fall speeds, no loss of energy to floor by floor collapse was observed, even the energy from collapse observed was insufficient by several orders of magnitude to explain the dust production Source: Your ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:45:20 2023 No.15277323 >>15277320 My source is the seismic records.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:48:30 2023 No.15277327 >>15277219 Actual engineer here and no, it's not plausible. But that was painfully obvious to everyone here in Europe a long time ago since we don't have a vested interest in the matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:54:40 2023 No.15277340 >>15277327 I remember some european engineer interviewed in a 911 documentary. he died in a weird car accident a year or so later

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 20:56:25 2023 No.15277344 >>15277323 Your ass. >>15277327 Alrighty Mr. Engineer, let's see your formula, figures, and citations. I'm suuuuure you totally can do those properly for structural failures. You totally aren't talking out your ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:09:33 2023 No.15277365 >>15277344 Your posts read like a namefag wrote them

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:11:57 2023 No.15277366 >>15277344 No yours, are you 16?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:24:23 2023 No.15277376 >>15277365 >>15277366 Who would've guessed! The conspiracy theorists don't have shit like always!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:35:09 2023 No.15277391 >>15277315 if the fall was 1% slower then freefall could you tell?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:35:22 2023 No.15277392 >>15277219 >Engineer anons, is the mainstream explanation to 9/11 plausible? no 911 was a manufactured casus belli, only fools believe a couple of niggers took a plane over and flew it into the most iconic buildings in New York...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:41:46 2023 No.15277398 >>15277392 less plausible things have happened

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:47:18 2023 No.15277400

>>15277392
Pretty much. Regardless if the WTC was a controlled demolition, a false flag, or terrorists were baited into it as useful idiots, it's exceedingly obvious that deep state Neocons wanted an excuse to invade the Middle East and divert trillions into the military industrial complex. The major figures in the Bush Administration signed the charter for the Project for a New American Century which stated that the US must wage wars in multiple theaters across the world to maintain hegemony into the 21st century. However most Americans wouldn't support such an initiative during a time of peace and prosperity, so they concluded a Pearl Harbor like event would be needed to justify such military expansionism. That report was released in 1997 IIRC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:48:19 2023 No.15277401 >>15277398 Like finding the passport of one of the hijackers on the street. Lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 21:59:09 2023 No.15277417 >>15277401 how often are passports recovered from plane crashes? it would seem like a fairly common occurance since pretty much everybody on board has their passport with them and passports

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:00:41 2023 No.15277420 >>15277417 -and passports would probably survive a plane crash especially high up, fuck

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:09:20 2023 No.15277426

>>15277282
>Lead bullets for the most part don't penetrate steel plates.
It's funny that you mention this because a copper coated lead core 55 grain FMJ is more likely to penetrate a steel plate than an M855 62 grain steel core green tip. When it comes to metals, speed kills and the extra 100-200fps gives the "inferior" metal better penetration into metallic objects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:11:23 2023 No.15277429 >>15277417 I suppose it's easier for you to believe that than to realize the government is a mafia and media are in their pockets.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:12:03 2023 No.15277433

>>15277376
You can quite literally take the seismic records of the collapsing towers. they take approximately 8 seconds each which is freefall for a building of their size, in order for the official pancaking narative to even function you would need continued impact and yielding of floors wjich adds a lot of time unless the tower collapsed from the bottom.

You have literally no defence except to dismiss

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:13:45 2023 No.15277437 >>15277433 >approximately 8 seconds how much less would it take if the energy dissapation you described took place? equations?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:19:40 2023 No.15277445 >>15277433 >unless the tower collapsed from the bottom. but you can see it doesn't in the video??? collapsing the floors below is a trivial amount of force once the upper portion starts moving.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:22:41 2023 No.15277449

>>15277437
even longer
The cold dust clouds and missing mass are unexplained.
worst case scenario every floor has to yield one by one which would mean each collapsing floor drops from an initial velocity of 0 then accelerating under gravity for its ~3m.
given the compressive stength of the building this would be a slower process

>>15277445
yes you see that it doesn't collapse flooir by floor, it just drops almost like there's no support under it. which brings us back to the mystery of the dust

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:24:23 2023 No.15277451 >>15277449 how much slower? 10 seconds? 2? 3 milliseconds? have you actually done any analysis at all or are you just going by intuition and what others have said?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:25:00 2023 No.15277453 >>15277449 >it just drops almost like there's no support under it it doesn't drop you retard. the bottom of it doesn't move until reached by the collapse. so much can be plainly seen. why are spouting nonsense?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:29:55 2023 No.15277456 >>15277429 i dont think someone recovering a passport from a plane crash means the shadow government done dit it. If it was a false flag i would have expected more ties to iraq desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:44:54 2023 No.15277481 >>15277315 >free fall speeds 11 1/2 years later and you dumb niggers still don't know the difference between speed, velocity, and acceleration

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 22:48:20 2023 No.15277487

>>15277433
Assertion
>>15277449
More assertion

So, yeah. Like I said. Source: Your ass. Like always. Conveniently it's impossible but somehow you do nothing but fart bullshit with no demonstration. Gee how did I know I wonder? Maybe you haven't the first fucking clue what you're talking about.

You have two options: Actually demonstrate you know fuck or shit by using this fancy latex and writing out the equation you think DEMONSTRATES your bullshit, or fuck off. Right now like every other conspiratard you're just saying you swear the fish was "thiiiis big". Source: Trust me brah
>>15277453
He wants to feel special even though he plainly knows nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:05:08 2023 No.15277521 explain this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpTRNEVKMY4

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:11:05 2023 No.15277529

>>15277449
>yes you see that it doesn't collapse floor by floor
the 'pancake collapse' model that the 9/11 commission put forward was almost immediately debunked by the physics and engineering community and the only people even still suggesting it was ever taken seriously are the tinfoilers

the nist investigation outlined the failure of the three collapsed towers as a progressive or cascade collapse. all three structures (unlike the shorter towers that remained largely intact in-spite of the debris damage) were what are described as framed tube-in-tube layout. a central tube containing the elevator and maintenance shafts, and the exterior frame of the building provide all of the structural support, and the grid of trusses that make up each floor are simply suspended between the center and the edge. the tube-in-tube design allows for very large, open floor plans in high rises, but have extremely poor redundancy compared to more modern trussed tube or bundled tube layouts. even worse, all three buildings that collapsed were all-steel tube-in-tube designs, in contrast with, say, the first interstate bank building or the windsor tower which were also tube-in-tube designs but were steel frame, reinforced concrete core designs with reinforced technical floors.

when the planes/debris impacted the towers, structural damage was caused and the insulation was compromised. as fires raged, the heat caused support columns to buckle and weaken and the floor trusses to sag, all of which significantly compromised the integrity of the structures. once those enough supports failed, large sections of the structures above and surrounding the point of collapse started shifting - altering the dynamic load and causing failures in adjacent parts of the structure, cascading outward until enough integrity was lost that the whole mass above started going. after which there was simply too much dynamic load to stop the collapse from continuing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:19:10 2023 No.15277545 >>15277529 Do you think a plane hit the pentagon or a missile?

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:22:27 2023 No.15277549

The real conspiracy is "what are the odds that George HW Bush would be at board meeting with Bin Ladin's brother on 9-11 for an oil company they co-owned which was the primary beneficiary of the wars that followed?" Any other question is a smokescreen.

https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:27:43 2023 No.15277560 >>15277549 is it really that weird that the son of a wealthy saudy buissnessman would have a brother in the oil industry?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:30:07 2023 No.15277561 from a building, to dust, https://www.drjudywood.com/wp/

>>	NEW TIP JUST DROPPED Wed Mar 15 23:30:51 2023 No.15277562 >>15277267 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:31:10 2023 No.15277563 >>15277219 This never jet fuel can melt steel beams this absolutely covers up the plot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:32:11 2023 No.15277565 >>15277282 F=ma

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:32:47 2023 No.15277566

>>15277560
>is it really that weird that the son of a wealthy saudy buissnessman would have a brother in the oil industry?

The fact that this money trail was not examined, or that all the Bin Ladins were allowed to leave the US on private flights without interrogation while even your grandma was being patted down at the airport?

Yes. It's weird. More than weird...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:32:55 2023 No.15277567 >>15277549 I mean he once worked for American interests back in the 80's and held a high position. Wealthy people knowing each other sounds tidy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:34:41 2023 No.15277568 bin laden died in tora bora in december 2001 according to benazier butto before she was murdered

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:37:07 2023 No.15277574 >>15277566 a saudi prince could probably attempt murder on someone in the us and go back to saudi arabia without incident and its been that way since like the 70s

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:37:44 2023 No.15277575 >>15277567 >Wealthy people knowing each other sounds tidy Which is why "they" will do it again. Arguably they already have: Covid. Why bother following the money, even when the dealings are in plain sight, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:40:33 2023 No.15277578 >>15277575 Osama was disowned before 9/11 though. Funny though that a plane crash would be his method given Salem bin Laden death. Double that the Saudi Binladin Group is a construction conglomerate.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:44:02 2023 No.15277584

>>15277549
>>15277575
>>15277578
Salem's wikipedia page gives an explanation behind their relationship.
>George W. Bush knew James Bath, a Texan businessmen who served as the North American representative for rich Saudis among Bin Laden relatives and using Bath connections he met billionaire Salem bin Laden, banker and BCCI Khalid bin Mahfouz. The two Saudis were willing to invest in the oil business. Salem Bin Laden was one of the investors in the Arbusto oil company, created by George W. Bush in 1979.
Not sure what to make of the mecca uprising of 79 though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_bin_Laden

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:44:05 2023 No.15277585 >>15277578 >Saudi Binladin Group is a construction conglomerate. Lots lot money to be made rebuilding two countries that were flattened.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:46:20 2023 No.15277589

>>15277584
>Salem bin Laden died on 29 May 1988, when he accidentally drifted into high-voltage electrical power lines adjacent to the Kitty Hawk Field of Dreams Ultra-Lite Flying Field at the edge of Schertz, a northeastern San Antonio suburb. The Sprint ultralight aircraft he was flying fell 115 feet to the ground after the wire strike. Salem, who was not wearing a safety helmet, died of head injuries from the resulting fall. The National Transportation Safety Board did not conduct an accident investigation since the aircraft was an ultralight aircraft, which was not covered under their mandate due to exemption while operating under FAR Part 103 Provisions required by Federal law. The Schertz Police, who attended to the incident, stated in the report that Salem died in a freak accident.

This was the second plane crash-related death in the bin Laden family, as Salem's father Mohammed bin Laden was also killed in a plane crash in 1967.

A third plane crash claimed more members of the bin Laden family on 31 July 2015 when a business jet carrying Osama bin Laden's half sister, Sana, and his stepmother, Rajaa Hashim, crashed at Blackbushe airport in Hampshire, England.[8]
What is it with this family and death by planes?

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:46:23 2023 No.15277591

>>15277584
>Salem's wikipedia page gives an explanation behind their relationship.

Yep. The Bush family arguably owed their success to the Bin Ladin family. This is why I just roll my eyes whenever anyone mentions Hunters laptop, or Bengazi, etc... I'll take those people seriously once they audit the Bush / Bin Ladin ties in depth... who got money and how.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:48:01 2023 No.15277594 >>15277529 nist are full of nonsense. they don't tell you what happened at all. you're a shill so it's your job to perpetuate this stuff but it doesn't make it true

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:49:23 2023 No.15277598 >>15277565 Do the calculation when the soft metal hits something much harder, but the other 180 degrees is air.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:50:47 2023 No.15277604

>>15277589
>What is it with this family and death by planes?

Lots of enemies. And lots of loose ends that need to be tied up.

Fun fact: Carlyle Group (the company co-owned by the Bush / Bin Ladin family) owned the privatized US air traffic control grid, and patent for remote controlling passenger aircraft, on 911 - and too this day. It's right on Carlyles own website.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:50:52 2023 No.15277605 >>15277401 4 actually, 1 unscathed.

Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:52:16 2023 No.15277609

>>15277604
>Carlyle Group (the company co-owned by the Bush / Bin Ladin family) owned the privatized US air traffic control grid, and patent for remote controlling passenger aircraft, on 911 - and too this day. It's right on Carlyles own website.

https://carlyle.aero/node/166

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:53:05 2023 No.15277612 not how, but who? >>15277451 kek, deafening silence

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:53:16 2023 No.15277614 >>15277605 >4 actually, 1 unscathed From an explosion so hot it melted the aircraft's Blackboxes, no less.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:53:58 2023 No.15277615 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icaOBwWZan0

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 15 23:55:36 2023 No.15277617 >>15277219 Is 9/11 to Zoomers, what OJ was to Boomers?

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:00:42 2023 No.15277629

>>15277545
Plane. Interestingly there was a Cambridge physicist about 15 years ago, John Wyndham, who got involved with all the Scholars for Truth/Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth/etc. shit. He was a prominent figure in the groups for years, serving as a chief editor and advisor for most of their online publications, media, and events for almost 15 years.

After being one of the most vocal supporters of the controlled demo theory/cruise missile theory for years he started doing his own independent research - reviewing hard data from FOIA requests, reviewing eyewitness testimony, etc. After all this work he came to the conclusion that the only reasonable explanation for the data he had on the Pentagon attack was a large plane impact, and even published a paper to that effect (a summary essay of the paper can be found below)
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/07/bringing-closure-to-the-911-pentagon-debate/

After publishing the paper, he made an appeal to his peers that while he still firmly believed that there was more the attacks than the official narrative reported - if they wanted to maintain an appearance of scientific objectivity, they had to be willing to entertain the possibility that at least the *physical description* of the attacks in the official narrative were correct.

He was promptly branded a traitor, accused of being an undercover fed, and excised from the community along with other researchers and supporters like Frank Legge and Ken Jenkins for the same reason. Physical evidence and reasoning convinced a decades-long supporter of the controlled demo theory that it was mistaken... and he was subsequently branded a heretic. Tells you all you need to know about which side of this debate is scientifically credible.

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:06:22 2023 No.15277641

>>15277617
The story behind the Grand Mosque Seizure seems more interesting. Imagine a televangelist uses the Hebrew Calendar as grounds to take over the White house at the peak of Christian influence in the 50's. Just because he has a brother and father named Jesus, and was Anglo Saxon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:09:08 2023 No.15277649 >>15277641 Nah its more like the Great Disappointment. The difference being Wahabism was already a critical part of the political culture where Adventism wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:12:01 2023 No.15277654 >>15277649 Imagine if someone actually larped as Jesus on that day in 1844. Wonder if America could've found itself in similar waters to the Saudi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:12:02 2023 No.15277655

>>15277401
Oh no, that was total bullshit. There's no question that there were people pulling the strings, making sure everything that was being carried out was carried out successfully and that all of the circumstantial evidence that was found was pointing in the desired direction. Most probable scenario is that Mossad found out about the attack, realized if it was successful the US would spend the next 30 years bombing Arabs in the middle east, and so took steps to ensure the right people were looking the other way or burying the right reports or "finding" the right evidence so that an otherwise ridiculous terrorist plot went off without a hitch. It fits their MO to a t - like a few years ago when they took advantage of the Houthi radical movement in Yemen to basically stir up a small proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran in Yemen.

Ironically, if the inside jobers had focused solely on the circumstantial case for an inside job instead of all the fucking nanothermite micronuke energy weapon cruise missile garbage they'd have probably had enough public support to launch a second investigation decades ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:15:39 2023 No.15277663 >>15277649 >>15277641 Neither of these sound all that different from Hitler's shit. Wonder if there's a term for this phenomenon when one mother fucker uses circumstance to stir a political uprising.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:17:06 2023 No.15277669 >>15277663 Polarization?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:18:28 2023 No.15277671 >>15277669 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_manipulation Wonder if that's the story behind Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:29:07 2023 No.15277681 >>15277617 This website has destroyed your brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:29:44 2023 No.15277684 >>15277629 poor lad

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 00:43:39 2023 No.15277702

Imagine not bringing up the pentagon and that the evidence of where the trillions of dollars went was blown up conveniently at the same time as Larry silverstein committed insurance fraud on the twin towers but forgot to get all the people out first (lol) and wasn’t building 7 scheduled for demo or they had applied for a demo permit? Something like that. Fuckoff bootlickers 9/11 was manufactured for a lot of reasons, all of which helped someone get filthy fucking rich.

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 01:36:56 2023 No.15277793

>>15277702
>muh missing trillions
I love how you guys keep repeating this like it was the finale to Cheney, Rove, and Rumsfeld pulling off a casino heist like Ocean's fucking Eleven.

The DoD is a clusterfuck of accounting errors, misappropriations, and kickbacks and has been since WW2, and not only did 9/11 do absolutely *nothing* to stop investigation into that quagmire, but the investigation continued and as a result of that investigation the DoD has been undergoing yearly audits for the last 20 years.

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 01:50:57 2023 No.15277819 [DELETED]

>>15277702
the challenger was blown up for the purpose of disguising NASA's failure to produce control software for HST on time. it was an embarassing $500 million mistake that had to be covered up.
when challenger was detonated, HST was scheduled to be the next launch. the four year delay after the challenger's destruction gave NASA the time it needed to finish the control software. had they not blown up challenger, HST would have been launched and it would've sat dead in space for four years waiting for the software to be completed.
whenever a big accident happens, look for what possible motives could exist to have made the accident a valuable "lucky break", whoever was motivated to do it, thats who the culprit is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 02:17:04 2023 No.15277860 >>15277702 But that's circumstantial evidence. How do you explain a 7 mile debris field for a plane that crashed nose down into the dirt?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 03:45:36 2023 No.15278029 >>15277860 This is why /sci/ fails so hard when it comes to modern events. “Facts and figures” can all be fudged or manipulated, and you suckers eat it up. Meanwhile circumstantial evidence is more accurate mostly because it’s the hardest to cover up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 03:52:40 2023 No.15278042 >>15278029 >Facts and figures can be fudged or manipulated. Not like this copypasta I found on the internet. No one would ever lie on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 04:08:11 2023 No.15278069 >>15277248 What do you think about the Wikipedia editor/s named "Philip Cross"? Do you consider him/them to be a good authority on everything?

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 04:27:50 2023 No.15278093

>>15277282
>>15277289
You faggots are so good you could be hired as disinfo agents to make gunowners look bad
>>15277591
>You can't care about corruption by one group until you look at this other group
Qtard MAGA boomers are cringe and I wish COVID killed mrore Qtards but seriously fuck you, pretty sure the schizo wing has been railing as hard against the Bushes as the Clintons, Bidens, Obamas, Trumps, etc
Seriously you're a cocksucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 04:29:07 2023 No.15278097 >>15278093 You seem perturbed. Have you taken your Risperdal lately?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 04:29:58 2023 No.15278099 >>15277641 >America's peak of Christian influence was the 1950s I hate redditors so fucking much it's unreal

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 04:31:17 2023 No.15278100 >>15278097 No but you took a penis into your asshole today

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 07:04:30 2023 No.15278276

>Why didn't it collapse sideways?
I don't understand this. Like have you ever watched the video of it actually fucking happening? For at least one of the towers you can clearly see the top portion starting to fall over to one side before the whole thing collapses.

Also the "controlled demolition" thing. You can clearly see the collapse progressing from right where the damaged portion was, going on down. Every controlled collapse ever done is simultaneous explosions at every level. Like, bro, there are a million videos out there of demolitions, go watch them and you can see how radically different they are.

But the biggest evidence is the fact that it takes weeks at least to set up a controlled demolition of this size. WEEKS. You're telling me that, of the tens of thousands of people that went in and out of the WTC in that time period, NOBODY noticed they were wiring up explosives everywhere and took pictures or told someone? NOT ONE?

Come on, man. Get a fucking grip on reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 07:08:02 2023 No.15278280 "Pull it." - Lucky Larry Silverstein

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 07:46:03 2023 No.15278320

The twin towers were destroyed by a BEAUTIFUL atom bomb.
Sadly, people died.
Actually, if they hadn't died, then there would be no USA PATRIOT Act, and I wouldn't be writing paeans to life before the USA PATRIOT Act.
Ah, let me share some of my poetry.
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>oh dear God if I fuck you then my life will be hell

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 07:48:03 2023 No.15278323 File: 115 KB, 602x659, main-qimg-41f39f2efce3618446ef47c821993005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15278280 "Pull my finger." - This Slovak Chick

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 07:54:02 2023 No.15278334 File: 71 KB, 568x730, glowniggerjak.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15278276

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:23:32 2023 No.15279034 >>15278099 When was it then? Televangelism was popular around that time.

Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:25:47 2023 No.15279040
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>>15277219
The obsession with the physics of the collapse is a red herring to distract you from countless other indisputable facts that make it completely transparent that 9/11 was an inside job.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:29:05 2023 No.15279044 >>15277426 >copper coated next youll say they coated the planes

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:31:20 2023 No.15279049 >>15279040 >Lyndon profits from Vietnam >Bush Family profited from Gulf War and War on Terror What did Clinton, Obama,and Trump profit from?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:32:37 2023 No.15279052 File: 33 KB, 473x371, ISHYGAB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15277219 >believing a conspiracy theory made up to distract from Al queda being all former CIA contacts from the mujahadeen

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:34:03 2023 No.15279055 >>15279049 >what did [generic establishment stooge] profit from Who cares and what does it have to do with anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:35:04 2023 No.15279057 >>15279052 Found a kike. Literally the only population still desperately trying to defend the desert goatfucker mastermind narrative.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:35:20 2023 No.15279058 >>15279055 Could probably use it to measure the effects of national issues or predict economic crisis.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:37:40 2023 No.15279061 >>15279049 With Whitewater, Clintons might've gained from the savings and loan crisis. Or maybe real estate issues today if their investments haven't changed in real estate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:38:22 2023 No.15279062 >>15279058 "X profitted from Y" doesn't convince anyone of anything, though sometimes I wish it did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:47:55 2023 No.15279081 >>15277481 Speed and velocity are equivalent here you pseud >muh direction!! Obviously towards the earth

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 15:52:48 2023 No.15279091 >>15277481 >11 1/2 21 1/2

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 16:01:30 2023 No.15279108 >>15278334 if they wanted to fake it why wouldn't they just crash a plane into it? Seems more direct than setting up an elaborate demolition scheme and then hiding the evidence

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 16:26:11 2023 No.15279167 >>15278276 You are mentally ill if you still believe the Bush fairytale.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 16:26:48 2023 No.15279170 The one thing about 9/11 that terrifies me is the tuning fork analogy

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 16:33:08 2023 No.15279179 >>15279170 What's the tuning fork analogy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 17:14:13 2023 No.15279255 >>15279179 I've seen a handful of times in schizo writings as referring to some masonic ritual that the planes are striking a tuning fork, it stands out to me just on it's own Am from NY too

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 16 22:53:40 2023 No.15279887 >>15277401 >Like finding the passport of one of the hijackers on the street. Lol Ever looked at that guy? Was no student, the prototype of an military. "Lost" his fake identity at the end of a successful mission.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 14:20:16 2023 No.15281081 >>15277521 great vid thanks anon, can't believe 9/11 truthers are still a thing

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:25:01 2023 No.15281455
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>>15279044
Ooo you got me, last I checked, the reason they use copper in ammunition is because of it's malleability, inexpensive, and because it protects the barrel from fouling rather than acting as a penetrator which you foolishly imply to impressionable tourists. Copper-Zinc used to coat FMJs is 10HRB softer than the Aerospace grade Aluminum alloys most common being AA7075-T6. Additionally the difference between a hardened AR-500 steel plate and the copper gilding metal is massive, I don't think by any standard you could consider the copper jacket "armor penetrating" unless you're a midwit with no experience in Metallurgy.

But I guess you'd rather cope with being completely wrong about 9/11 with retarded conspiracy theories that don't have even a morsel of truth to them, they're made up delusional fantasies for /pol/tards to satisfy their need for being a contrarian rather than actually seeking what is factually true.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:29:46 2023 No.15281464 >>15277456 I think you mean Is Ra El

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:40:35 2023 No.15281493 >>15277219 No. No. Irrelevant. Inside job

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:43:51 2023 No.15281498 File: 26 KB, 260x320, Mohamed_Atta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15281493 > Inside job Cope. Jet fuel can't melt steel balls. Allahu ackbar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 17:59:12 2023 No.15281525 >>15281081 I can only imagine the impotent rage that drove you to updoot your ignored, own low-IQ propaganda post

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 21:11:50 2023 No.15281945

The funny part that very few people ever talk about is all the war games and emergency drills going on at that day.
Those included multiple simulations of hijacked passenger planes with fake inserted radar signs and radio traffic to the point that it took air traffic control a long time to figure out something real was going on and allowed 4 planes to be flown widely of course for hours in the most heavily defended airspace on earth without a single on being intercepted by a fighter jet. Oh yeah, a lot of those were up in canada for an unrelated training exercise by sheer coincidence.
That CIA trained towelhead hiding out in a mountain cave on the other side of the world really was a bond tier evil genius to pull of something like that as part of his masterplan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:20:50 2023 No.15282075 >>15278069 Just trust the experts and accept 100000 refugees ok?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:21:53 2023 No.15282078 >>15278069 Redpill me on Philip Cross.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:25:24 2023 No.15282085 >>15279255 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Ju9p0oYJ8 Ah yes, the tuning.

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:50:17 2023 No.15282149

Invading Afghanistan was strategically worthless and invading Iraq was justified by WMD claims not really related to 9/11, even the general public knew they weren't related.
Afghanistan was where the USSR went, fought against mujahideen for 10 years and lost.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 22:52:17 2023 No.15282154 >>15277301 You're getting this mad over a shitpost? Reddit is more your style.

Anonymous Fri Mar 17 23:25:29 2023 No.15282250

>>15277267
The real world is more complex than strong material beats weak material. The plane will be utterly destroyed by the building, but a destroyed mush of aluminum still weighs just as much as the original plane, and still has the momentum of 100 tons moving at 500 mph. At 500mph there would be insufficient time for the aluminum to be extruded between the columns, its not water. So the only other option is to smash the columns.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 23:26:22 2023 No.15282252 >>15282250 There wouldn't be much problem for the floors to carry the weight. The towers were almost completely empty at the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 17 23:29:22 2023 No.15282257 >>15282252 I don't know how floors are relevant. We are talking about the columns being destroyed not the floors. Also, the floors can't hold anything without columns to hold up the floors.

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