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I’m prooooonting edition
Previous: >>15267404

>> No.15271768
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>ESCAPADE in New Glenn fairing

This has to be a rideshare mission…. right?..

NASA says it’s set for launch Auguat 2024

>> No.15271770

>>15271762
a joke that went foo far

>> No.15271777

more like scrooooobing edition

>> No.15271806
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15271806

how would you go about mining water on icy moons like Io?

>> No.15271815

>>15271806
Anon...

>> No.15271822

>>15271806
We have water here

>> No.15271831

>>15271762
shidded and farded rogget

>> No.15271840

>>15271806
Heat and a pump.

>> No.15271846

>>15271822
what if we need water deeper in space? Say for terraforming or as propellant

>> No.15271871

>>15271846
Hydrogen and oxygen are pretty common. Although useful oxygen might be a problem. You aren’t exactly going to strip it out of silicate minerals. But there is lots of ice out there with water ready to go

>> No.15271879
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>>15271806
>>15271822
>>15271840
Io isn't an Ice planet retards.

>> No.15271883
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>>15271806
>icy moons like Io
Io is the driest Galilean moon. And it sits in the heaviest part of Jupiters radiation belt.

>> No.15271887

>>15271806
Io is dry as fuck and literally has lakes of lava at the surface

>> No.15271888

>>15271806
It's sulfur not ice

Mining is easy. Distilling so it isn't contaminated with toxic compounds might be challenging

>> No.15271892

>>15271888
>boiling water is challenging

>> No.15271896
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15271896

>Io isn't icy

>> No.15271903

>>15271896
It’s not. It’s literally entirely rock. The mantle is made of fosterite, a magnesium ore, and there’s probably a subsurface ocean, but it’s made of fucking lava.

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15271904

> /sfg/ now has wet Io truthers

>> No.15271906

Io is my favorite and most overlooked planet

I bet there is some way to make a base that is close enough to the magma flows to not need much heat regulation without being too close that it starts to melt. Don't dismiss Io because it isn't full of water like all the others

>> No.15271907

>>15271906
The base would collapse quickly because of all the geologists cumming

>> No.15271911
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>>15271903
yeah
I got Callisto and Io confused for one another

>> No.15271912

>>15271907
Don't blame them, they just can't stop thinking about them rogs

>> No.15271913

for the informed /sfg/ browser- https://www.youtube.com/live/CYXY30znZ-0

>> No.15271916

>>15271911
Io is the odd one out, supposedly because the hot young Jupiter boiled off Io’s volatiles, same reason the inner solar system is rocky, not icy.
On the topic of Io, isn’t the tidal heating practically free energy?

>> No.15271918

>>15271916
>same reason the inner solar system is rocky, not icy.
Obviously with the Sun doing it, not Jupiter

>> No.15271923

>>15271912
I’m really curious if the high radiation environment has any impact on the surface’s metamorphic processes.

>> No.15271937

>>15271916
You can farm the ambient radiation for electricity on Io by building big metal spikes extending towards Jupiter. Wire moves through the magnetic field.

>> No.15271939

>>15271892
Boiling kills microorganisms, not minerals

Check out what a water treatment plant does sometime. It isn't just a boiler

>> No.15271941

>>15271918
no, the tidal forces actually do heat up Io.

>> No.15271970

If Io has a molten iron core why does it not have a magnetic field like Ganymede?

It isn't moving enough?

>> No.15271975
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15271975

How does one get rid of nuclear waste by shooting it into space?

Would that be a useful use of technology?

>> No.15271982

>>15271871
>You aren’t exactly going to strip it out of silicate minerals
That's exactly what you're going to do in the process of refining these minerals.

>> No.15271987

>>15271975
No. You just bury it. Rockets are too expensive.

>> No.15271988

>>15271987
Will rockets ever get cheaper?

>> No.15271990

>>15271975
Zack Golden has fallen on some hard times I see

>> No.15271992

>>15271975
Not really.

>> No.15271994

>>15271906
>planet
what did he mean by this

>> No.15272002

>>15271975
no, it's risking a catastrophic event in case of a RUD and nuclear "waste" will probably end up being useful in the future as we find new ways to turn its energy into power until it becomes inert

>> No.15272006

>>15271988
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starship
It is almost never not cheaper to simply put it in a radioactive-tight barrel and put it in an inaccessible bunker somewhere though. And you put it in Earth's orbit it will just fall back down to earth some day anyway

>> No.15272013

>>15271988
Yes bit not to that extent.
What is unchanging is the rocket equation and burning 50 times the mass of your waste in fuel is always going to be harder than putting it in a salt mine.

>> No.15272014

>>15271941
Can't explain that

>> No.15272021
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>>15271994
Did I fucking stutter? Kneel, moonlet

>> No.15272022

>>15272006
In principle we could put it in solar orbit, but, like, why? It would cost a brazillian dollars and wouldn't be significantly safer than burying it somewhere.

>> No.15272034

>>15272013
Rocket equation is a meme. The answer is to invent better engines that are more and more efficient with their fuel and powerful until pretty much every rocket is an SSTO

We only have such big problems with spaceflight anyway because we were born on such a fatass-tier planet

>> No.15272072
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15272072

Holy SHIT
https://twitter.com/11k25_energia/status/1635384987955630080

>> No.15272087

RELATIVELY CLOSER TO SPACE

>> No.15272091

>>15272072
I have no clue where they get all of their material, but they've got the best collection of Energia photos and video I've ever seen.

>> No.15272094

>>15272013
Right... Sorry for bothering you

>> No.15272099
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>>15272072
RIP sweet prince

>> No.15272117

>>15271987
it's not that they are expensive it's that they are extremely unreliable for nuclear standards. Rockets have a 0.5% failure rate and just one failure of a rocket carrying high level nuclear waste could become a Chernobyl tier disaster

>> No.15272121

>not posting Io's newest pic

>> No.15272124

>>15272072
>>15272099
>waste money to copy shittle
>abandon it after the first fly
NASA was dumb for making a shuttle and flying it for so long but Russians were even dumber for repeating that mistake.

>> No.15272131

>>15271939
Any minerals dissolved in the water will be left behind when it boils, dumb-dumb. That’s why sinks build up that white shit over time

>> No.15272134

>>15271994
Moons are planets that orbit other planets.

>> No.15272136

>>15271975
Recycle what you can, bury what little you can't burn up in a specialized reactor.

>> No.15272137

>>15272117
So an exaggerated mess that kills a handful of people?

>> No.15272141
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>>15272124
Buran was just a way to get their real hearts desire - a super heavy lift launcher

>> No.15272143

>>15272124
Ironically it was a better vehicle.

>> No.15272145
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Our destiny lies among the stars. If we don't leave Earth we'll all gonna die. Our great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandchildren won't believe how we managed to survive on this rock for so long without leaving.

They will think of us the same way we think of people in the middle ages who never left the village.

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15272149

PAY DEBNTS ROSSIYA

>> No.15272155

>>15272141
Maybe we should reduce the amount of nuclear arms in the world, if anyone is listening. This being the internet and all.

>> No.15272159

>>15272149
holy shit

>> No.15272160
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>>15272149
>LOOK, FREE ROGGET XD

>> No.15272163

>>15272137
hunters in Czechia, Belarus and Ukraine have to check animals they catch for radiations so they don't get cancer when they eat them

>> No.15272164

>>15272155
No nukes are cool
We should have antimatter bombs too tho
And zombies

>> No.15272167

>>15271975
it's only "waste" because that what the nigger regulatory feds call it. just imagine all the cool shit you could do with magic rocks, the possibilities are fucking endless

>> No.15272168

>>15272164
No nukes would be ideal if we could ever repair international relations to that point. We could ban their production globally.

>> No.15272171

>>15272149
KEK. Didn't Russia confiscate western satteltes

>>15272155
an at the same time increase the amount of nuclear power plants

>> No.15272173

>>15272143
I'm not denying that, but the general idea is still awful. They tried to combine the cargo and manned vehicle and got the worst of both. It's unviable in basically every case. If you're launching a satellite or a probe, you don't need a manned vehicle and you don't need a huge payload bay for a simple flight to the ISS.
>>15272149
So that russian journo was right, lmao.

>> No.15272176

>>15272072
>incredible footage
does he mean garbage footage ripped, re-ripped, and compressed to total hell?

>> No.15272177

>>15272171
I would be okay with that.

>> No.15272178

>>15272168
>>15272164
we should have much more powerful weapons than nukes. like the death star in star wars

>> No.15272183

>>15272178
Such weapons probably already exist.

>> No.15272187

>>15272173
link to russian journo?

>> No.15272188
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>>15272178
>>15272183

>> No.15272190

>>15272168
Globohomo cringe

>> No.15272198
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i love the way it looks

>> No.15272199

>>15272190
Have you considered that without MAD we could have big serious wars instead of tiny gay proxy wars?

>> No.15272200

>>15272149
What happens when Russia no longer has a space program? Do we just give up on the ISS? Fund the whole thing ourselves? Hope the Japanese want to participate more?

>> No.15272203

>>15272117
>it's not that they are expensive
it is. nuclear fuel is heavy and you pay per kilo.

>> No.15272204

>>15272187
Turns out it's only related to the Baiterek project, so ISS flights are unaffected.
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_zenit.html#2023

>> No.15272210

>>15272199
Isn’t that the plot of BattleTech? Let’s do it!

>> No.15272213

>>15272198
Looks like it needs at least 2 weeks of work.

>> No.15272214

>>15272199
>without MAD we could have big serious wars instead of tiny gay proxy wars?
No, America would win every war in that case.

>> No.15272219

>>15272198
one of those structures you would really struggle to understand the purpose of without already knowing.

>> No.15272222

>>15272214
>>without MAD we could have big serious wars instead of tiny gay proxy wars?
>No, America would win every war in that case.
Afghanistan didnt' have nukes. They barely had guns or water even. Still kicked the Soviet's and USA's asses and will kick out China next.

>> No.15272225

>>15272214
Even if that were true, the war footage would still be kino.

>> No.15272228

>>15272176
To the surprise of none, it's actually hard to find 4K quality footage from 1988

>> No.15272232

>>15272222
Checked, but if the objective was to just defeat Afghanistan militarily and then leave, it wouldn't be an issue.
>>15272225
Go to Telegram to see Ukraine war footage. There are barely any kinos, and I've been following the war pretty closely.

>> No.15272235

>>15272228
You can thank VHS for that

>> No.15272237

>>15272228
b-but muh film superiority

>> No.15272240

>>15272222
>kicked the Soviet's and USA's asses
That's an exaggeration.

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>>15272222

>> No.15272244

>>15272232
>but if the objective was to just defeat Afghanistan militarily and then leave, it wouldn't be an issue.
Afghanistan is already "defeated" in that sense. It is a 4th world country full of people living in dirt huts and caves and farming and growing drugs.
There is nothing to "defeat", would just be blowing up rocks into smaller rocks.
They still kicked ass.
There is no way to occupy and retain a country anymore since effective small arms and explosives were created.
Miltiaries are useless for anything except defense now. Just look at Ukraine/Russia.

>> No.15272249

>>15272244
>There is no way to occupy and retain a country anymore since effective small arms and explosives were created.
the actual reason is human rights

>> No.15272250

>>15272244
>There is no way to occupy and retain a country anymore since effective small arms and explosives were created.
Literally just kill everyone like the Romans did when rebellions pissed them off.

>> No.15272251

>>15272222
the fact that the government collapsed immediately after the 3k remaining US soldiers evacuated is a testament to their vast military superiority
they were propping up an entire government that the population is largely hostile or ambivalent to with a force the size of a small college campus

>> No.15272252

>>15272134
I don't think it's heckin cleared it's jolly orbit

>> No.15272253

>>15272249
Not real.

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>>15272237
>film superiority
Yes, what about it?

>> No.15272256

>>15272250
>Literally just kill everyone like the Romans did when rebellions pissed them off.
Would work if was possible, but mass genocide is very difficult and time consuming. Even the Chinese only managed to murder around 50 million people over a decade.

>> No.15272258

>>15272252
What the fuck does that even mean? There’s literally ten thousand asteroids that share Jupiter’s orbit

>> No.15272260

>>15272232
that one russian flip video was okay, the video with the guy in the jeep during the kharkiv offensive was good. A lot of stuff from the earliest stages was great (helicopters, tank columns). It's not as good as it could be, but that's because it's basically a lot of trench warfare, which usually isn't that exciting except during the big offensive attempts.

>> No.15272265

>>15272260
>doesn't mention pov ejection from jet

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>>15272251
>they were propping up an entire government
Yeah, all 100 of them. Nobody in the country supported the puppet "government".

Look at the USA mate, "stronkest gooberment in the world" and a bunch of little old ladies and fat boomers took it over in Jan 2021 without a single gun. KEK!

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15272269

This smells sus to me for some reason

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fiscal_year_2024_nasa_mission_fact_sheets.pdf

>> No.15272272

>>15272260
>the video with the guy in the jeep during the kharkiv offensive was good.
sauce?

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15272273

>>15272256
Just fly drones with blinding lasers around and let nature take its course

>> No.15272278

>>15272228
Actually it's not. Film shot in the 80s is just as good as 4K digital video, only more grainy.

>> No.15272280

>>15272244
>They still kicked ass.
They kicked ass by fighting guerilla warfare and waiting for the Americans to leave.
>Miltiaries are useless for anything except defense now. Just look at Ukraine/Russia.
If Russia fought an actual war it would've obliterated Ukraine by now. Any of the superpowers can defeat Ukraine easily.
>>15272260
>t's not as good as it could be, but that's because it's basically a lot of trench warfare, which usually isn't that exciting except during the big offensive attempts.
Yea, exactly. Most of it is not good. And I guess most of it is classified and we barely see anything

>> No.15272281

>>15272278
>only more grainy.
That makes movies better. Tarrantino agrees.

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>>15272254
uh oh STINKY

>> No.15272286

>>15272280
>If Russia fought an actual war
What do you think they're doing? It's the best they can muster.

>> No.15272288

>>15272281
Tarantino is a fucking hack.

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>>15272280
>If Russia fought an actual war it would've obliterated Ukraine by now.

>> No.15272290

>>15272269
based NASA internal power play sniffer. Who's in charge of ESDMD and who's in charge of SOMD?

>> No.15272292
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15272292

>a green run for every Artemis core stage

GRIFTERS GONNA GRIFT

>> No.15272295

>>15272280
>If Russia fought an actual war it would've obliterated Ukraine by now.
uhh

>> No.15272296

>>15272290
Related to this no doubt

https://spacenews.com/nasa-splits-human-spaceflight-directorate-into-two-organizations/

>> No.15272298

>>15272286
>What do you think they're doing?
Not fighting according to their war doctrine. Maybe that's why they are calling it a military operation.
>the best they can muster
The best is nuking them.

>> No.15272299

>>15272280
>If Russia fought an actual war it would've obliterated Ukraine by now. Any of the superpowers can defeat Ukraine easily.
True, they could nuke the hillbillies to hell. But that would cost Russia and the USA all that sweet grift money and natural resources ( big oil reserves )

Ukraine is being the rope in a tug of war between Russia and USA governments. The peasants there are being thrown in the mud pitt by both countries.

>> No.15272300

>>15272256
Only difficult and time consuming if you’re being precise with who you’re culling. With modern technology, you could probably depopulate a nation in a few months tops. Hit farmland and population centers with incendiaries, throw in deadly gasses if you’re feeling frisky, and mop up with drones with IR cameras and hunter-killer teams.

>> No.15272301

>>15272290
Kathy Leuders leads SOMD, I think that's all I need to know.

>> No.15272303

>>15272292
What’s a green run?

>> No.15272304

>>15272300
life is more tenacious than it is in a video game kiddo. You really don't understand logistics either.

>> No.15272306

>>15272244
I don't know anon, farming whatever I want on my own land (includes opium) because my government is extremely weak sounds pretty nice.

>> No.15272307

>>15272303
The shit that delayed Artemis I needlessly

>> No.15272308

>>15272299
>they could nuke the hillbillies to hell
They can fight with massive airpower and air strikes, kinda like America fights their wars and Ukraine won't survive long.
>Ukraine is being the rope in a tug of war between Russia and USA governments. The peasants there are being thrown in the mud pitt by both countries.
Yea. I feel bad for the peasants honestly.

>> No.15272312

>>15272299
It seems like they want this war to last as long as possible. They give Ukraine enough arms to survive but not enough to repel the invasion.

>> No.15272318

>>15272300
This is why so-called autonomous "killer drones" frighten idealists so much. No A.I. needed. Just simple programming: see that shape on the FLIR/VIS/UV fusion sensor pod cameras? That's a Human. Remove all humans in the polygon formed by those following GPS coordinates until ammunition or fuel is bingo. Whichever comes first, RTB to refuel and rearm.

>> No.15272319

>>15272300
nigger it used to be that armies would go from village to village killing everyone. With today's rules you can't kill or imprison civilians. This makes it much harder to big countries to invade

>> No.15272320

>>15272304
Over 95% of people will die if agriculture ceases to function.

>> No.15272322

>>15272308
>They can fight with massive airpower and air strikes
They can't. They would do it if there wasn't such a huge cost disadvantage between accurate surface to air missiles and aircraft.

>> No.15272324

>>15272312
>not enough to repel the invasion.
Enough to fully repel the invasion is America joining in. Nothing short of that.

>> No.15272325

>>15272306
>includes opium
can't use it cause you're Muslim

>> No.15272328

>>15272319
>rules
LMAO

>> No.15272331

>>15272328
kill yourself basement faggot

>> No.15272334

/sfg/ - /kpol/

>> No.15272335

>>15272312
>It seems like they want this war to last as long as possible.
BINGO.
USA started the whole conflict by taking over Ukraine in 2014 and installing the faggot porn star Zelinsky as their puppet and ramping up military and bio-weapons lab research in Russia's backyard, while laundering money through FTX and Ukraine "government".

Russia, being the wannabe tough guys they think they are, HAD to respond to that aggression, same as the USA HAD to respond to Soviet missles in Cuba in the 1960s.

It was all PLANNED. Makes all the government contractors rich AF with more continuous wars.

>> No.15272336

>>15272322
Taking over Ukraine will still turn a profit.

>> No.15272337

I was expecting Starship to progress faster desu
2021 was wild

>> No.15272344

>>15272335
Go back

>> No.15272349

>>15272337
80% of the work takes 80% of the time. 20% of the work takes the other 80% of the time.

>> No.15272350

>>15272335
Zelinksy is a hero

>> No.15272352

>>15272149
I wonder what will come from this. Surely paying the debt would be more economically efficient than starting another war, right.

>> No.15272355

>>15272335
Russia is retarded tho. Letting a country go from 90% favourable to Russia to 0% in 8 years honestly means that they deserve to lose.

>> No.15272357

>>15272335
Will you faggots please take it to /pol/?

>> No.15272365

>>15272335
USA just helped with the government change. It started in 2013 because pro-Russian puppet president refused to sign an EU application document.

>> No.15272366

>>15272292
PORK!
>>15272296
>>15272301
Yeah, first impressions are that Nelson is fucking over Lueders for whatever reason. Maybe a sign of his opinions on ComCrew and spacex?

>> No.15272369

>>15272335
/pol/bots are leaking

>> No.15272370

>>15272325
Of course not, I would sell it and enrich my family.

>> No.15272371

>>15272366
What? /sfg/ was fearmongering about Nelson but he was positive about SpaceX, he even praised them in congress.

>> No.15272376

>>15272365
>USA just helped
yea, it was all about human rights and democracy

>> No.15272380

>>15272198
I thought the new paneling was only that top ring but then I saw the legs being covered

fuck this thing ain’t launching till April

>> No.15272382

>>15272371
I'm just trying to guess at why he's essentially trying to defang Lueders. could be anything.

>> No.15272384

>>15272365
The EU is cancer

>> No.15272386

>>15272380
later-summer is my projection

>> No.15272394

>>15272384
In comparison, still better than Russia.

>> No.15272405

>>15272394
Nigga, Nigeria is better than Russia.

>> No.15272412

>>15272149
It’s already been explained that this doesn’t apply to ISS-focused infrastructure. They have a special clause for soyuz and protons until the ISS is decommissioned. I’m surprised manlet of all people doesn’t know this

>> No.15272427

>>15272394
>In comparison, still better than Russia.
>AIDS is better than Ebola!

>> No.15272428

>>15272002
Just stash it on the moon, the loonies will figure out something to do with it soon enough.

>> No.15272430
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15272430

>>15272365
>It started in 2013 because pro-Russian puppet president refused to sign an EU application document.
Joining the EU = war with Russia.
That president wanted to prevent a war in Urkaine.

USA wanted a war in Ukraine to make the Military Industrial Complex money and get to pocket some of that money. 10% for all the big guys!

>> No.15272432

>>15272350
>Zelinksy is a hero
To whom? Male strippers? KEK!

>> No.15272433

>>15272430
more a general sense of fear that permeated the air, whites often times can't cut through it

>> No.15272440

>>15272405
>>15272427
The point is, there's not much alternative in Europe. It has stupid laws (that can be changed), but overall, it's beneficiary for Europe. It's a similar case to USA, Russia or China. Having one government ruling over certain area has more advantages than dozens of small ones fighting against eachother. Big countries are simply more relevant.

>> No.15272444

>>15272440
So "too big to fail" eh? kek
How feudalistic.

>> No.15272445

>>15272440
Europe should be the last option for a partner. China should be the first.

>> No.15272452

>>15272430
>Joining the EU = war with Russia.
That would be Russia's fault. But they didn't start a war when the rest of the Eastern Europe applied and got accepted to both NATO and EU.

>> No.15272453
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15272453

Keep it on topic for fuck sake. So immensely tiring seeing this russian-ukraine garbage.

>> No.15272455

>>15272444
How do you think North America would look like if every state was a separate country? And how would if affect the world?

>> No.15272457

>>15272455
What part of "Space Flight General" is unclear to you, you absolute cretin?

>> No.15272459

>>15272440
>Big countries are simply more relevant.
Why is "relevancy" relevant?

>> No.15272460

>>15272457
>>15272455
Sorry, how do you think this would affect spaceflight?

>> No.15272461

>>15272440
feudal europe disagrees. Having lots of small countries does have some disadvantages vs a foreign invader, but large empires tend to stagnate and even regress as those at the top seek to cement control and loyalty at the cost of competence.

>> No.15272470

>>15272457
Spaceflight is intensely exposed to politics. Autistic circlejerking about engines only gets you so far.

>> No.15272481
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15272481

>>15272455
Imagine how much worse SLS and Artemis could be if it was run like this clownshow

>> No.15272487

>>15271916
>On the topic of Io, isn’t the tidal heating practically free energy?
In a practical sense sure, just like geothermal on earth. To be clear though energy is sourced from Io's gravitational potential energy around Jupiter. So it will eventually fall within Jupiter's Roche limit and be torn apart.

>> No.15272489

https://twitter.com/vxunderground/status/1635379620693565443
Uh oh

>> No.15272496

>>15272461
And now look at the modern world. The only countries that are able to send people to space are USA, Russia, China and soon India. What they have in common is what I said earlier, one government ruling a big population. Now despite being a part of the first world, fractured Europe is decades behind those countries. Alone no small country can put a man in space, at least not yet, since they can't afford it, but many governments working together is often awfully slow and incompetent, leading to the waste of money, time and resources.

>> No.15272513

>>15272432
Only your mind would go to that. You must really be gay (and that's fine, we accept all kinds of deviants on sfg)

>> No.15272518

>>15272489
>announcing you're gonna release something
they dont have anything of value lol

>> No.15272530

>>15272518
In before its site drawings and their attempt at propellant storage tanks at Starbase, lel

>> No.15272547

>>15272432
It's true. My 2 year old just spoke her first words, which were
>Zelenskyy inspires me

>> No.15272554

>>15272530
it's probably cgi designs of outdated hardware

>> No.15272570

Just fucking prion bomb this faggot-ass planet already. Jews jewing Jews over bullshit gets real old real fucking quick

>> No.15272589
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>>15272570
You know what must be done, anon.

>> No.15272594

BREAKING: Kazakhstan just seized all Roscosmos assets in Baikonur due to $2 billion debt.

>> No.15272598

>>15272594
Again?

>> No.15272604

>>15272594
oops, guess I need slowpoke.jpg
>>15272149

>> No.15272638

Sorry, I'm late
https://youtu.be/e0UKdn1JxIw

>> No.15272663
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15272663

Oh fug
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theregister.com%2F2023%2F03%2F13%2Flockbit_spacex_ransomware%2F

>Ransomware gang Lockbit has boasted it broke into Maximum Industries, which makes parts for SpaceX, and stole 3,000 proprietary schematics developed by Elon Musk's rocketeers.

>The prolific cybercrime crew also mocked the SpaceX supremo, and threatened to leak or sell on the blueprints from March 20 if the gang's demands to pay up aren't met. This may therefore be a bill Musk can't avoid to reconcile, unlike others, reportedly.

>> No.15272669

>>15272663
inb4 it's all krystal porn

>> No.15272675

>>15272663
Anything SpaceX gets from a third party vendor isn't going to be mission critical or super exciting. Lockbit is making a bet that someone in China isn't aware of this fact, or is willing to take a gamble on unseen "super SpaceX technology." Given China's attitude towards technology in general it might not be a bad purchase for them even if the goods are fairly mundane.

>> No.15272677

>>15272663
>https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theregister.com%2F2023%2F03%2F13%2Flockbit_spacex_ransomware%2F
Don't click this link. It makes mustard gas.

>> No.15272679

>>15271939
Boeing kills macroorganisms.

>> No.15272680

>>15272663
they'll be fine

>> No.15272692

>>15272663
>This may therefore be a bill Musk can't avoid to reconcile, unlike others, reportedly.
imagine being this delusional. they won't even respond to their email. why would spacex give a shit?

>> No.15272693

>>15272663
that link looks funny

>> No.15272699

My brother made a very difficult custom crossword puzzle
What are some examples of skeuomorphism in modern rockets / spacecrafts? Basically things that were needed in the early 50s and 60s era but are now just there because, hey, it looks like it belongs

>> No.15272703

uhm, isn't dearmoon supposed to happen this year? will the crewed version of Starship be even ready in the 9 months that are left in this year?

>> No.15272705
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15272705

funny guys

>> No.15272707

>>15272699
wings on spacecraft

>> No.15272708

>>15272699
rocket engineers tend to be extremely aggressive on removing anything not absolutely necessary

>> No.15272723

>>15271762
>second consecutive relativity op
>neither posted in time for the actual launch
this launch campaign has been pretty fun though

>> No.15272739
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15272739

>final launch next month
Bros... I'm not ready...

>> No.15272748

>>15272200
>Do we just give up on the ISS
The ISS is already overdue for deorbit and the follow-up plans don't involve Russia

>> No.15272751

>>15272723
When is the next attempt?

>> No.15272753

>>15272739
I hope it explodes.

>> No.15272755
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15272755

>>15272699
Astronauts
or maybe Dragon's winglets

>> No.15272771

>>15272699
Crew escape systems.
Automation is now so advanced that the risk of a catastrophic failure in a crew rated vehicle is immeasurably small

>> No.15272775

>>15272748
The following station better have spun gravity. Embarrassing for crew to have to be carried away on stretchers when they return to Earth.

>> No.15272778

>>15272775
It won't.

>> No.15272779

>>15272775
>>15272778
Of the available options, Orbital Queef seems most likely to get a spin attachment at some point down the line

>> No.15272780

>>15272778
the current replacement plans don't assume Starship reuse will work

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https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1635430564340826112

>> No.15272810
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15272810

2023...
Dawn of the Newspace era...
I am forgotten

>> No.15272819

>>15272810
How would you make one of these in KSP? I'd even try on a super low-g body like Gilly or Pol if I knew where to start.

>> No.15272834

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RQk0WWSdvk
>ExoMars | Back on track for the Red Planet
>Launching in October, 2028

>> No.15272837
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>>15272834
ExoMars will launch in five years

>> No.15272840

>>15272819
You can't. KSP can't handle kilometer-scale vessels. Apart from the obvious performance limitations, there's a hard limit on how far apart parts can be.

>> No.15272842

>>15271970
it's too hot

>> No.15272845

>>15272840
I've never tried to put things together that'd be longer than 2.3km because I didn't know what would happen and didn't want to waste an entire afternoon finding out.

>> No.15272857

>>15272819
I think Gilly would be the easiest but it's still something like 40 km. You would have to do something like the Dres Canyon bridge but on a much larger scale. It's probably possible, but building it would require intimate understanding of a dozen weird KSP tricks. It's one of those situations where if you have to ask the question you won't be able to do it, unless you spend literally thousands of hours on it.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Ec3K7lx_4

>> No.15272862

>>15272141
Yeah, they threw that away too. Engines weren't too shabby though.

>> No.15272867

>>15272352
Not if your end goal was to bring the old union back.

>> No.15272868

>>15272810
Reminder that space elevators were proposed to achieve cost/kg which was worse than what Starship is targeting, and Starship doesn't have a chicken and egg problem or require meme materials to exist.

>> No.15272874

The Space Force’s $30 billion budget request includes:
>$19.2 billion for research, development, testing and engineering (RDT&E)
>$4.7 billion for procurement
>$4.9 billion for operations and maintenance
>$1.2 billion for military personnel
https://spacenews.com/u-s-space-force-budget-hits-30-billion-in-2024-funding-proposal/

damn, 60% of their budget is for research...
no wonder they dont actually do anything

>> No.15272880

>>15272819
>>15272857
Gilly is the best place to do a space elevator not because it has low gravity but because it spins pretty fast. It has a synchronous orbital height of only 42.14 km.
With that said, true ISRU occurs within Dres' infinitely spawning ring of local asteroids.

>> No.15272925

>>15272874
>damn, 60% of their budget is for research...
that is actually good

>> No.15272965
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15272965

The absolute state of Nasa

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1635285086164889601

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15272967

>>15272965
what the fuck is that between 2025 and 2028?

>> No.15272969
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15272969

Will Terran R happen?

>> No.15272970

>>15272303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGRE_7yz_kM

>> No.15272971

>>15272868
based Space Elevator realist

>> No.15272976

>>15272868
>Reminder that space elevators were proposed to achieve cost/kg which was worse than what Starship is targeting, and Starship doesn't have a chicken and egg problem or require meme materials to exist.
Also doesn't require weeks to reach orbit

>> No.15272986

>>15272969
T1 isn’t even happening

>> No.15272990

>>15272969
Hard to say since Relativity is still unproven. They have the funding to jump from meme start-up to serious company, but there's just no objective demonstration of their capabilities yet. If/when Terran 1 launches without issue and they're able to start completing subsequent planned launches, then I will be significantly more bullish on their prospects.

>> No.15272995

>>15272969
Jesus what a fucking crow's nest of an engine.

>> No.15273002

>kazkhastan is blockading russian space
>spacex got hacked by chinese
space youtubers that would cover these topics?

>> No.15273005

>>15272965
>nasa moon landing NET Q4 2028
berger's law states that it will be 2029 then. maybe berger was also right that the chinese are aiming for a 2029 landing... would be wild if both countries landed in the same year

>> No.15273010

>>15273002
>spacex got hacked
No they didn't. A supplier did.
>by chinese
Russian speaking Chinese?

If they're really fucking stupid and don't value their lives, they'll release shit as they threaten to. Fastest fucking way to find yourself in a CIA black hole would be to release anything covered by ITAR.
That shit is serious business, they're not ransoming some fucking patient files or whatever here.

>> No.15273023
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15273023

Let's see if this is any better

>> No.15273025

>>15273023
A Chinese clone of KSP?

>> No.15273026

>>15272967
Starship spam to both the moon and mars as a giant middle finger to NASA

>> No.15273028

>>15272969
What the fuck is he doing with his hand

>> No.15273032

>>15271970
All the ice causes infetterance.

>> No.15273034

>>15273028
He's at max-tension and doesn't realize what it looks like

>> No.15273046
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15273046

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1635366704078520321

Astronaut?

>> No.15273061

>>15272141
>Tsar Bomba delivery vehicle

>> No.15273066

>>15272967
They want to deny Trump moon landings.

>> No.15273067

>>15272967
HLS uncrewed and crewed demo when Elon time is factored in

>> No.15273069

>>15272322
>They can't. They would do it if there wasn't such a huge cost disadvantage between accurate surface to air missiles and aircraft.
Contrary to popular belief the Russians don't want to genocide Ukraine. If they did the war would look a lot different. The UN report on civilian casualties chastised them for killing too few people (they said that the lack of female deaths was sexist).

>> No.15273076

>>15273069
cope

>> No.15273077

>>15272967
FAA holding Starship hostage

>> No.15273097

>>15272967
Total Bird Death

>> No.15273104

>>15273069
lmao please
they have been pounding cities to the ground so much that they are running out of shells

>> No.15273125

Rockets should be open source

>> No.15273128

Rachel Cook has really bogged the shit out of herself, what a shame, coulda been a nice girl with small titties

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>>15272303

>> No.15273142

>>15273125
You can build your own rocket using existing information available online.
And a lot of rocket nerds always eager to show how smart they are when you ask them questions

>> No.15273153
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15273153

>>15273034
>max-tension
That's his name now

>> No.15273154

>>15273104
because enemy troops are there...?
that is like saying the germans/french were trying to genocide each other in ww1

>> No.15273157
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15273157

>>15273153
It's Kelvin irl version

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>>15272995
Aren't the small pipes for debug purposes?

>> No.15273164

>>15273158
Take away the smaller pipes and that's still a crow's nest.

>> No.15273166

They're dragging Zubrin's ass on twitter AND 4chan
https://twitter.com/greentexts_bot/status/1635259753822650369

>> No.15273168

>>15273166
Zubrin is the most visionary oldspace personality, but he's still oldspace

>> No.15273169

>space force budget is now larger than nasa's
>they still dont send any people into space
??????????????

>> No.15273172

>>15273153
110% tense

>> No.15273173

>>15273169
>he doesn't know about the phantom fleet
Lotta servicemen die in 'training accidents'

>> No.15273174

Should I join the British Interplanetary Society? Their papers aren't on scihub

>> No.15273175

>>15273166
switzerland is neither in Nato or the EU, doing any of that shit is basically denying their sovereignty as a state
it would truly become a satellite of the US/NATO/EU at that point
why does is he so extremely active in this? did russians fuck his mother or something?

>> No.15273177

>>15273174
what would be the point? If you like talking about that to other people then why not I guess

>> No.15273179

>>15273175
he's a jew

>> No.15273182

>>15273175
He's a bluepilled boomer. He doesn't even care about developing Mars. If 7 people set foot there and never went back, he'd die a happy man

>> No.15273188

>>15273066
but 2025 will be the next administration...

>> No.15273195

>>15273188
Thankfully the one thing euros are good at are ensuring american programs stay alive

>> No.15273205

Europe will never contribute to spaceflight.

>> No.15273222
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15273222

>>15273175
the left is very "you're with us or you're against us" these days, despite mocking the shit out of it when dubya was president. it even became a big meme with revenge of the sith. pic related.
https://mashable.com/article/star-wars-political

>> No.15273228

>>15273222
Usually* the sith deal in absolutes

>> No.15273235
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15273235

https://twitter.com/Yrouel86/status/1635359723657777152

So we STS now?

>> No.15273252

>>15273235
they call it STS now officially I think (SLS + Orion is now)
I saw some tweet, so it could have been a joke

>> No.15273257

>>15273252
oh I guess it was that exact tweet lol

>> No.15273264
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15273264

>>15273153
Max Tension sounds like a pornstar name

>> No.15273265

>Tuesday
>No Starship Orbital Flight Test-1

>> No.15273285

>>15273235
>>15273252
https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxKGP2KGYS_75EBe6JQu6nD9KjShMaQ6i7

>> No.15273300

>>15273222
Zubrin is not left. I’ve never seen anyone who hates environmentalists and regulation more than him

>> No.15273323
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15273323

Is this real?

>> No.15273334

>>15273323
Yes.
Source: I've seen it down at Baikonour

>> No.15273335

>>15273323
They've completely shutdown the spaceport and are scrapping the soyuz. So yeah, if you want to call that real

>> No.15273341

>>15273323
It's worth noting that the story dropped a week ago. And a Proton-M was launched two days ago. There is definitely some wrangling going on, but it is unclear to what extent this will affect operations currently and in the future.

https://kz24.news/news/ekonomika/arest-rossiyskogo-imuschestva-na-baykonure-nevesomost-dlya-proekta-soyuz-5.html

https://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur_zenit.html#2022
>In March 2023, unofficial reports said that Kazakh authorities had seized all TsENKI assets in Baikonur and even ordered its local head in Kazakhstan not to leave the country. As long predicted, and if proved to be true, the move would essentially spell the end of the Baiterek project and would possibly derail the entire Soyuz-5 rocket development project leaving it without a launch site.

I don't know other good Russian sources. RussianSpaceWeb hasn't said much more about it.

>> No.15273347

>>15271906
No.
Io is bombarded with radiation from jupiter. You'd need some insane shielding to get close enough to land.
Robotics is the way to go for io.

>> No.15273350

>>15273323
There is talk that the russian army might be annexing baikonur in the coming weeks

>> No.15273355

>>15273350
wouldnt that mean annexing kazakstan as well

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15273357

>>15273177
He could upload juicy papers for his pals on /sfg/

>> No.15273358

>>15273355
They think they can steal from russia without consequence. They are no country

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>>15273350

>> No.15273380
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15273380

>>15273350
Kazakhstan demographics for raising an army look quite favorable in the future. 20M pop but the TFR is high. In the 20-30y the amount of men available already isn't that dissimilar from Ukraine. You can't wait mister Putin.

>> No.15273387

>>15273380
I should go there one day. Will let you guys know.

>> No.15273442

>>15271906
>most overlooked planet
Hasn't cleared its orbit

>> No.15273444

>>15273347
>You'd need some insane shielding to get close enough to land.
Plasma magnetic shields will take care of this.
See Bamford et al.
If you actually have a problem with radiation, it's a solved problem.

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15273469

Where's your fez /sfg/? Don't have one? I thought not, pleb.

>> No.15273517

>>15273444
It protects electronics and humans in orbit around earth but i'm fairly certain that it doesn't provide enough protection for humans in io distance around jupiter.

>> No.15273524

>>15273517
Its strength is proportional to the density of ambient charged plasma so it should totally work.

>> No.15273525
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>>15272117
>a Chernobyl tier disaster
no it would fucking not you retarded hysterics. Not nearly enough carriable tonnage for that. At worst some nuclear debry near the launch pad. At best some nuclear debry at the bottom of the ocean

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>>15272219
some day in the future some feral afro-latino tribes inhabiting the NA continent will be finding its remnants still standing high and worshipping it as alien monument brought down from the sky

or you know, salvaging the metal to use in pottery and spears

>> No.15273571

>>15273524
Okay. But at io distance, where the trapped radiation is strongest, the shield would be the strongest.
Clearly i need to actually do the calculation to be certain.
But there's no designed spacecraft that i can find that's designed to be in this radiation belt for extended uses. Europa yes, but the radiation is much weaker there than at io.
I need to find some data for the strength at io.

>> No.15273609

>>15272072
It’s sad energia never lifted off during the day
Hopefully SLS won’t suffer the same fate

>> No.15273625

>>15272163
Same here in Sweden. We were practically unable to eat moose, deer etc for half a decade in big parts of the country because of the cesium-137 levels in them. The moose population even got so fucking big we had to shot like 150k of them in a single year just to keep the numbers down.

>> No.15273672

>>15273625
The cesium is harmless if the moose are walking around with it in them.

>> No.15273717

>>15273175
Who do you think *owns* the Ukraine? Hello.

>> No.15273721

>>15273387
t, surplus female octogenarian kazakh enthusiast

>> No.15273789
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What would the space program be like today if the Challenger & Columbia disasters never happened?

>> No.15273790
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>We have told the story of how Space Shuttle went from being a simple reusable access to space pickup truck to a horse designed by a committee. One part of the design process was NASA's hope to take space access away from the Armed Services by making the Shuttle able to perform just about any mission the Armed Services wanted. The Air Force had a particular mission requirement: launch from Vandenberg, go over the Soviet Union, and return to land at Edwards AFB. This required a large cross range capability, which required wings, which dominated Shuttle design.
>As one observer puts it, "the SAOAM (that's the Silly Ass Once Around Mission) requirement was dropped by the Air Force in 1974, two years after the SAOAM (along with the volume of the cargo bay) had defined the Shuttle's design."
>All this is pretty well known, but it's worth repeating. In the course of discussion Dr. Phil Chapman, one time Antarctic explorer and former US Astronaut, said this, which I quote with his permission:

>The payload bay was bigger than NASA needed because it was sized to carry the giant Big Bird reconnaissance satellite, but the invention of the CCD array made that system obsolete by 1973. When Big Bird and "the Soviet surveillance once-around mission" went away, NASA could have saved money by starting over with a new design -- but that would have been politically embarrassing, especially as deleting USAF participation would have made it entirely clear that the mission model used to justify the shuttle was not just absurdly optimistic but fraudulent.
>NASA's need to save face in 1974 and thereafter has destroyed the dreams of two generations of space enthusiasts, cost us two shuttle crews, wasted 35 years and and several hundred billion dollars, turned the NASA human spaceflight program into a boondoggle that the public no longer supports, and wasted the opportunity to make an irrevocable leap into space that was afforded by the Cold War. Way to go, NASA.

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>>15273789

>> No.15273804
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>>15273789

>> No.15273810

>>15273789

>What would the space program be like today if the Challenger & Columbia disasters never happened?

We wouldn't have SpaceX

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15273824

Kuiper satellite dishes revealed


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/14/amazon-first-look-project-kuiper-satellite-internet-antennas.html

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15273826

>>15273824

>> No.15273829
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15273829

>>15273826
The satellites won’t launch until early 2024 and Kuiper service won’t be available until the end of 2024, which means most won’t get the service until 2025-2027 considering the global rollout has been slow for Starlink

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>> No.15273837
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15273837

>>15273829

>> No.15273843

>>15273169
>he lacks critical information

>> No.15273848

>>15273824
I sometimes forget Kuiper exists

>> No.15273871

>>15273824
Nice dishes. Shame about the satellites.

>> No.15273910

>>15273871
Your ground hardware can be pretty, hell it can even be dirt cheap, but no ones going to want it if you’re only putting up 20 satellites every two years

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>>15273910
Hey, maybe he can borrow some bandwidth from Elon?

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new staircase just dropped

>> No.15273944

>people talk about New Glenn and Starship in the same breath
>realize I don't actually know the payload capacity of New Glenn off the top of my head
>it's 45 tons
what are the economic benefits of putting all your resources into a flagship vehicle that has 20% less lifting capability than Falcon Heavy

>> No.15273949

>>15273934
The fire escape rises

>> No.15273955

>>15273944
It actually gets less to GTO or escape than Falcon 9 due to being such a fat heavy hydromeme bitch

>> No.15273956

>>15273934
Damn FAA

>> No.15273965

>>15273955
>first stage is Methalox
>second is hydromeme
what did they mean by this

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>> No.15273980

>>15273965
Hydrolox is fine if you have an experience. For example, Vulcan is more economic than FH for delivering heavy payloads to GEO or GTO.

>> No.15274027

>>15273965
>Hydrolox is good for high energy payloads
Because it's light and that's important when you're trying to maximize performance with Lego rocket horseshit YOU FUCKING RETARDS
it gives you no benefit if you're staging super early

>> No.15274038

>>15273934
Yeah I'm thinking August.

>> No.15274063

>>15273790
That giant payload bay ended up coming in handy for space station construction and downmass duties though.

>> No.15274078

>>15273970
Are there bands of armed marauders in florida?

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>>15274078
Yes

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>>15274078
"bands" is a strong world

>> No.15274086

why not just put a long hose from earth to the moon and pump a bunch of water up then fill a rock with it or something and throw it at mars???

>> No.15274094

>Booster 7 is a year old
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.15274104
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15274104

>>15274063
>That giant payload bay ended up coming in handy for space station construction
What would have been handy was maintaining super heavy lift capacity so you could build a station with 2 or 3 flights
>downmass duties
gay bullshit no one cares about

>> No.15274109

>>15274094
Mature technology :)

>> No.15274140

>>15273934
...but FAA!

>> No.15274169
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15274169

What's your /sfg/ confession?
The first time I heard the phrase "nothingburger" was here, and I thought it referred to Eric Berger, reporting on nothing.

>> No.15274187

>>15274169
wtf
>Nothingburger is often attributed to a 1950s gossip columnist named Louella Parsons. Beginning in 1953, Parsons used the term in a number of columns to refer to minor celebrities she deemed unworthy of public attention.
I thought for sure it was too retarded not to be a 4chan meme

>> No.15274190

>>15274187
It became a meme because shills on /pol/ kept trying to use it to downplay events.

>> No.15274206

New Eric Gunnerson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjWCEFioT_Y

>> No.15274208

>>15273789
https://www.americaspace.com/2015/02/08/up-against-a-wall-what-1986-might-have-been/

https://www.americaspace.com/2015/02/09/the-most-complex-so-far-what-2003-might-have-been/

This + more ambition I guess

>> No.15274223

>>15274169
I have never once fapped to Krystal

>> No.15274230

>>15273023
>300k steam points
good goy, you vill buy ze games and you vill own nothing

>> No.15274243

>>15274169
I really don't care how a rocket works, only that it does.

>> No.15274258

>>15274230
I bought a Volvo index

>> No.15274260

>>15274169
I cheated on Krystal with my RL wife

>> No.15274264

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_fy_2024_cj_v2.pdf

Orion will conduct integrated testing of ECLSS and the Orion Crew Survival System Suit (OCSS) in the
Orion Life Support Integration Facility (OLIF) at the NASA Johnson Space Center (JSC) to further
validate the performance of these systems in preparation for the crewed Artemis II mission. OLIF testing
will take place July thru October 2023. HITL testing of Artemis II displays and controls will begin in
FY 2023 and will continue into Q1 FY 2024.

Anyone here dumb enough to think NASA was gonna test Orion's ECLSS for the first time with live crew in space, lmao

>> No.15274278

>>15274169
I lurk and don't post
I contribute to /sfg/ being dead

>> No.15274287

The program continued construction activities of the
new 1.4-million-gallon Liquid Hydrogen (LH2) Sphere at LC-39B which will enable multiple launch
attempts with a quicker turnaround time for future missions. The new LH2 Sphere, in addition to the
current LH2 Sphere, will supply an increased capacity of LH2 for Artemis II and beyond. The larger tank
will allow NASA to attempt SLS launches on three consecutive days, instead of opportunities of two out
of three days, in the event of a scrub. The newer technology reduces liquid hydrogen burn-off, allowing
more launch attempts before having to refill the larger tank. Construction began in 2018 and will be
complete in time to support Artemis II.

>> No.15274306

The Artemis II Vehicle Integration and Operations, to include stacking, spacecraft offline operations,
payload processing, integrated test and checkout, and a tanking test utilizing the new LH2 Sphere at
launch pad 39B, will all occur in FY 2024 in preparation for the Artemis II crewed launch in early
FY 2025.


>FY 2025

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>> No.15274338

>>15273956
betcha the FAA required the stair case despite the fact they have a dozen lifts sitting around it at all times

>> No.15274344

>>15274338
Doubt the FAA is that anal, SpaceX was probably worried about the current exposed staircase getting fried and losing structural stability

>> No.15274354

>>15274344
A ladder would be good enough for me

>> No.15274388

>>15274344
>current exposed staircase
it's not exposed except at the top
they're building another one that is fully exposed at the moment.
how does that make things any easier?

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>>15274169
I'm losing hope, if they don't attempt orbit by summer I'm pretty much done, only come here once every few months and nothing ever happens
>SN15's launch and landing was in May 2021

>> No.15274405

>>15274398
I'm the opposite, the huge delay has made me irrationally hyped for orbital attempt, and if I don't get perfect first try top grade historic kinography i will be seething.

>> No.15274406

>>15274398
You're retarded.

>> No.15274415

just how hot would a Russian conflict need to get before we stop the seat swaps and ISS cooperation? surely there is a line

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>>15274415
If war breaks out the astronauts are obligated to neutralize any cosmonauts up there.

>> No.15274427

>>15274415
nobody is going to war over a accidental downing of a drone. iran deliberately shot down one of our more expensive drones not too long ago and nothing came of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iranian_shoot-down_of_American_drone

>> No.15274428

>>15274415
My guy Ukraine is literally an American/Russian handshake to sell arms/gas and shake apart Europe into tiny tasty bits for exploitation, shit was never going hot.

>> No.15274433

>>15272432
to zionists everywhere

>> No.15274434

>>15274427
Turkey shot down a Su-24 and it didn't result in war. It had consequences but countries don't just go to war over incidents unless they want to.

>> No.15274439

>>15274169
I don’t play KSP despite owning it. I can get to orbit but it’s pretty much just point-and-go. I have above-average knowledge of rocketry and rocket engines, and KSP has taught me a lot about how orbital mechanics work, but I still don’t know how to rendezvous and dock or plan a mission—nor do I care to ever learn

>> No.15274442

>>15274169
I am a rocket launch junkie. I have a stack of calendars full of stickers and stamps for every orbital launch attempt.

>> No.15274458

>>15274439
docking and rendezvous is cool. I haven't really gone beyond Kerbin/mun/minmus but that's mostly because my shitty laptop can't handle big rockets.

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>>15274439

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>>15272099
>>15272124
>>15272141
it's too bad the Russians decided to copy the shuttle (for obvious reasons), I would think that if instead they had "borrowed" the idea for Sea Dragon (and the already considerable conceptual/technical information available at the time) they could have pursued it instead and a USSR version of Sea Dragon launched from the Black Sea, or even the Caspian Sea, might have actually amounted to something for them.

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Meet coraline

>> No.15274519

Yo instead of spaceships
Why don't we hitch a ride on asteroids

>> No.15274533

I fucking hate Io
that is all

>> No.15274558

>>15274533
Unironically kill yourself.

>> No.15274560

everyone watch the chat gpt livestream

>> No.15274564
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>>15274496
>Sea Dragon
Gunnerson says the engine would be unstable, Tom Mueller says it would have worked - who is right?

>> No.15274575

>>15274560
spaceflight?

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>>15274406
In good company then jej

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>>15274533
Back to work, convict

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>>15274587
> wigs in low gravity
what was he thinking?

>> No.15274615

>>15274564
I think it's doable, but it's performance would be trash compared to a smaller engine of the same type.

>> No.15274619

>>15274560
It is related to minimum viable colony sizes.

>> No.15274652

>>15274619
Your mother is related to your father.

>> No.15274655

>>15274560
what livestream?

>> No.15274656

>>15274652
I hope so. Wouldn't want to have alien blood.

>> No.15274679

Why did Elon pull out of OpenAI?

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>>15274696
/seriously feeling ghostly/

>> No.15274716

>>15274696
>last post: 4 minutes ago
>sfg status: dead
damn, you have adhd son?

>> No.15274717

>>15274519
Turns out asteroids are probably more like dirt clods than solid rocks, dirt clods are kind of unstable

>> No.15274726

>>15274615
>compared to a smaller engine of the same type.
but it's not comparable to "a smaller engine" which is basically every engine ever built including the F-1, it's a whole different engine/vehicle philosophy

>> No.15274727

>>15274655
https://youtube.com/watch?v=outcGtbnMuQ

>> No.15274733

>>15274558
>looks putrid
>In the thick of a van allen belt
>no water
>nasty skank bitch
>looks vomit inducing
>super ugly
fuck Io

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>>15274716

>> No.15274742
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>>15274711
Two years between manned landings?
Nixon sent two per year.

>> No.15274751

>>15274428
yeah but what Russia didn't realize was that they were the part of Europe that was going to be shaken apart

>> No.15274756

>>15274458
you don't need much to get to Duna, I recommend orbital refueling

>> No.15274767
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just how much denser is subcooled propane?
That will be on the other side of gasoline, yeah?

>> No.15274772

>>15274726
I meant comparable to kerolox pressure fed engines. I think the Sea Dragon Engine is workable but the amount of work needed to keep it stable would noticeably impact it's performance from ideal.

>> No.15274776

>>15274767
Liquid propane would be a cryogen and still leave coking on the engines. Just go with keroxide at that point so you have zero boiloff loss with a tiny bit of mylar.

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>>15274772
if anybody could have brute-forced Sea Dragon into reality it would have been the Soviets in the early 80s, and their submarine pressure-vessel building expertise would have come in handy

>> No.15274832

>>15274805
soviets can only into spherical pressure vessels

>> No.15274870

>>15273824
>all CG

>> No.15274898

>>15274832
Have you seen how stubby Sea Dragon is? Spherical tanks could work. Also propellant is stored in the balls.

>> No.15274928

>>15274898
Shortstack chubby girls will be the only kind available on Mars

>> No.15274936

>>15274928
wtf I'm buying Mars tickets now

>> No.15274953

>>15273824
i like the very small one. would definitely be a niche starlink currently doesn't fill.

>> No.15274957

Sea dragon as intented is retarded. Just make it pump fed with more engines and propulsively landed and that improves things by a lot.

>> No.15274964

>>15274928
>Shortstack
>mars
Unless they're midgets, they're going to be regular height under martian gravity.

>> No.15274989

Yikes
>>>/pol/419693795

>> No.15274990

>>15274989
go back

>> No.15274997

>>15272318
>>15272300
Now back to the real world, a drone gets down by a cloud of fuel kek

>> No.15275000

>>15274439
Taking orbital mechanics killed my enjoyment of KSP. Like sure I know how to set up the transfer, but I don't want to do the math, so I just use intuition to do set them up and carry more fuel than I need.

>> No.15275004

>>15274928
What about furry fox women?

>> No.15275014

>>15274989
At least you had the decency to link /pol/ rather than just posting the picture like usual

>> No.15275064

Why does it take spacex 22hrs to iss guys?

>> No.15275072

>>15275064
They took the scenic route.

>> No.15275073

>>15275064
because the government demands it and pays for it
Just one of those things you do when you aren't paying out of you're own pocket

>> No.15275103

>>15275064
Orbital mechanics, basically. Everything in orbit moves along conic-section trajectories, and getting Dragon up next to the space station takes a lot of orbits.

>> No.15275114

>>15275103
There’s no actual reason you can’t intercept before one orbit is completed around the earth.

>> No.15275121

>>15275114
There is. Russia uses station thrusters to meet Soyuz on 3hr trajectories but won't do the same for Dragon.

>> No.15275126

>>15275064
>>15275114
Russia has better launch opportunities as the orbit of the ISS was designed specifically so they could reach it without an inclination change and they're also able to move the ISS itself to set up an ideal phase angle that allows for a quick rendezvous. If Dragon had more delta-V the time spent chasing down the ISS wouldn't be as long. IIRC the Soyuz record is like three hours.

>> No.15275127

>>15275103
Midwit answer. They could dock 2 hours after launch if they were allowed to ignore procedures. There's no reason you couldn't time launch such that you're in close proximity and velocity matched exactly when circularization is performed at apoapsis.

>> No.15275136

>>15275121
>>15275126
Just have stage 2 perform more work. It's really that simple. Orbital mechanics is not the reason, more like safety and convenience.

>> No.15275140

>>15275121
>>15275126
Oh yeah I forgot about the inclination difference
Why the fuck is the ISS’ inclination so extreme

>> No.15275147

>>15275140
Because a bunch of different people with a bunch of different launch sites want access

>> No.15275149

Stage 2 could insert into the exact inclination during launch. It has plenty of delta-v. Maybe first stage would need to be expended.

>> No.15275150

>>15275127
It's a lot harder on earth than it is on Kerbin. if you want to understand why I want you to do two launches and try to rendezvous from either Woomerang (hard) or Baikerbanur (easy).
You're only allowed 400 m/s of on- orbit delta-v and take note of even tiny plane changes you need to make because they're ~3 times more expensive on Earth

>> No.15275156

>>15275136
>>15275127
It's not that easy in rocketry, even if the avionics can calculate the orbital parameters on the fly there still needs to be time for correction burns and the overpowered second stage would only make the error worse.

>> No.15275158

>>15275149
>>15275140
The relative inclination hardly matters at all, the ground track only passes over KSC for a narrow moment no matter if the inclination matches exactly or not
I guess if it matches exactly the window is a bit wider but not really, either way you're targeting a ground track and not the station itself
The Russians get to time it so that these line up because they control the station's thrusters

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>>15275121
And this is why Russia does that. Dragon has a lot more legroom so longer flights aren't as much of an issue.

>>15275140
Because Baikonur is at about the same latitude as Bangor, Maine, and has to launch everything onto a slightly northerly trajectory so they don't dump any rocket stages on Chinese territory. If the ISS was at a reasonable 27d like NASA had planned for Space Station Freedom they wouldn't have been able to recruit Russia as partner.

>> No.15275168

>>15275150
or just use RSS. Even with more margin and a better inclination it usually takes me 12+ hours to launch anything to stations.

>> No.15275171

>>15275161
Gotta be honest, that looks kinda comfy.

>> No.15275174

>>15275161
>leg room means its ok to spend a day in the carbon fiber can slowly approaching the ISS

>> No.15275199

>>15274767
Diesel rockets when

>> No.15275206

>>15275161
>Ктo пepнyл?
>Bodenkontrolle, hier ist Gaskammer 1. Wir sind startbereit.

>> No.15275212

>>15275199
rp-1 is better than diesel.

>> No.15275241

>>15274767
Ethanol is underrated you can drive all of FL on e85 in my experience.

>> No.15275243

>>15275212
Is bio rp1 possible?

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>>15275140
>Why the fuck is the ISS’ inclination so extreme
Who wants to look down and see nothing but nasty nignog countries? It should be in polar orbit tbpf

>> No.15275250

>>15275243
Everything is possible. You can synthesize everything especially a well defined mix of molecules like RP-1.
This is not the right question to ask.

>> No.15275253

>>15275246
It should be in a lightning orbit so it spends as little time as possible over the southern hemisphere

>> No.15275254

>>15275253
*northern
extreme maximum launch window challenge

>> No.15275256
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15275256

>>15275158
It will only have the correct inclination if the ground track is directly over the pad during launch however rockets can dogleg to make up for some of that error and small inclination difference can be addressed with correction burns once in space. Russia not only gets a longer launch window because the ground track will spend more time at that latitude but also a higher likelihood that the position of the ISS during that window will allow for a good phasing angle, which can then be further improved by maneuvering the station ahead of the launch

>> No.15275258

>>15275254
kek

>> No.15275263

CRS 27 is going to blow up

>> No.15275271
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15275271

>>15275254
make it retrograde and I will cosign

>> No.15275274

>>15275271
Heh cosine

>> No.15275298

>>15275253
>not putting the ISS in GEO
ngmi

>> No.15275300

>>15274169
I know almost nothing about historic rockets or even rockets outside spacex

>> No.15275302

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrU7yO-Gug
Launch in an hour

>>15275300
That just means you need to get your ADHD in gear and start hyperfixating harder

>> No.15275304

>>15274679
Conflict of interest with tesla

>> No.15275311

>>15274169
I completely gave up on following spaceflight after the Constellation program got canceled, and didn't get into it again until the first Falcon Heavy launch.

>> No.15275312

>>15274187
Nice try Louella, but "burger" refers specifically to ground beef.
The proper term is "nothing sandwich"

>> No.15275316
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15275316

>>15275311
Pretty much the same but it was Hopper that brought me back.

>> No.15275330

>>15274169
Even though I have an engineering degree, I don't want to work in newspace because I want life outside of work.

>> No.15275335
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15275335

stage it

>> No.15275355

In the Avionics area, ISS continued external wireless connection upgrades which converted an external
High Definition (HD) camera to also serve as a wireless communication link, improving the Joint Station
Local Area Network (LAN) Robustness. PAM-Net, a specific virtual private network devoted to enable
PAM investigations and research separate from the ISS-crew, was implemented. The Ku-Band Space to
Ground Transmitter Receiver Controller (SGTRC) spare builds were completed and delivered to NASA.
The Forward Link project continued, which is upgrading the encryption algorithms on IS

>> No.15275370

In FY 2023, the ISS Systems O&M project is making significant progress toward the launch and
installation of four additional iROSA wings as well as launch and first use of the upgraded Cycle
Ergometer with Vibration Isolation & Stabilization (CEVIS) enabling cycling activities via leg or arm
ergometry to provide aerobic exercise as a countermeasure to cardiovascular deconditioning on-orbit.

>> No.15275381

Redwire Space achieved a significant milestone for LEO commercialization with the first
sale of an optical crystal produced in the Redwire Industrial Crystallization Facility
onboard the ISS—one of the first times a space-produced materials product has been sold
on Earth.

>> No.15275387

STAGED
>>15275385
>>15275385

>> No.15275440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tteM4Q2Lh0

>> No.15275666

>>15273300
Opposing regulation and environmentalism doesn't make you right wing. Free Market Capitalism and neoliberalism descends from classical liberal ideology and is only framed as right wing in modern politics because of the cold war.

>> No.15275685

>>15274169
I might chicken out and end up not driving to boca chica for the OFT