/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15256208]

Let's be honest, white chudtlies.

How good was ramanujan?

[Anonymous No.15256224]

>>15256208
mathmonkey

[Anonymous No.15256242]

Incredibly impressive intellect.

In mathematics overall, not very impactful.
Very bad compared to the great ones, Archimedes, Newton, Gauss, Cauchy, Hilbert etc...

I believe that if he would have gotten a little more time or better education about proofs he could have been one of the greats in history.

[Anonymous No.15256261]

>>15256208
He was incredibly talented. Too bad he died so young.

[Anonymous No.15256290]

>>15256208
>How good was ramanujan
He was a waste of talent due to his context and upbringing.
What I mean is, if he had been given a proper mathematical education, his calculating prowess would have given him a massive advantage in developing his other skills.
Euler for example, was famous for calculating "without effort" much like Ramanujan, but unlike R. he was obviously well versed in the science of his time, the conceptual developments in the various areas of mathematics etc. I'm aware that Euler, on multiple occasions, inferred a pattern through his prodigious calculating abilities, and then went on to search for an analytical demonstration.
Ramanujan never became anything worthwhile, partly because he died young like >>15256261
and in large part he was indeed a bit like a "calculating monkey" like >>15256224 said, which I blame on Hardy.
Hardy was so stricken by R.'s nigh-miraculous calculating abilities, that I think he failed to properly give him the introduction to mathematical theory that he deserved. R. was the way he was because he learned from a "reference book" on results.
On account of Hardy's failure as a teacher and his early death, he ended up being a "good" mathematician with not many "useful" results, remaining the best "human calculator" if that makes sense.
He could have been "a fantastic, amazing, groundbreaking" mathematician if he had been given the proper training and a longer lifespan, since then he would be able to (much like Euler and unlike most others, even most other all time greats), use his calculating skills to inform and guide his analytical studies.

[Anonymous No.15256297]

He was basically a born genius. Given the time and the environment it's impossible for someone to do what he did.
Also he is basically picrel CHAD because supposedly the maths was revealed to him by gods in his dream

[Anonymous No.15256299]

>>15256297
>>15256290
>>15256261
>>15256242
>>15256224
It's pretty clear he was wasted because of medical technology and education quality was poor.

But let's say a modern kid is born today in some fourth world shithole and start doing shit on youtube, like I assume a kid on some turd indian village would do today.

What are the chances if a kid in some turd world nation is born today with such talent, can we use it as a civilization?

[Anonymous No.15256320]

>>15256297
>Given the time and the environment it's impossible for someone to do what he did.
disagree completely.
All you need is a handful of books with results and techniques, then you read and reread it and practice obsessively for 20 years.
You say it's impossible to do what he did but you, and no one else in the modern era, much less professional mathematicians, has worked as hard as he did the way he did for as long as he did.
Sure, some have more talent than others. But there's enough people around we could have 20 Ramanujansm, except you would have to be ok with forced labor

[Anonymous No.15256322]

>>15256299
There's always a chance that many of the today's talents are wasted because they were not fortunate enough to get the proper background.
And unis these days are partly to blame because they are all to make money and not encourage critical thinking. In many sciences, go slight off from mainstream and you're dismissed forever. Getting a PhD is too easy and doesn't contribute to expanding knowledge anymore.

[Anonymous No.15256328]

>>15256299
>kid is born in shithole, starts doing shit on youtube
That's where your dream ends, Ramanujan didn't have youtube or phones or thots or any modern distraction. He had his (shitty) math books.
>What are the chances if a kid in some turd world nation is born today with such talent, can we use it as a civilization?
The chances are zero, not because there aren't kids being born with that level of talent but because like I said, the modern world gives no incentive for someone to learn as he, and others, did.

[Anonymous No.15256330]

>>15256328
>>15256322
yes, but someone like ramanujan is diferent from the npc cattle.

I am talking about kids born today or in future decades.
Because there will be always at least one ramanujan born every century.

[Anonymous No.15256334]

>>15256330
Such kids end up lurking /sci/

[Anonymous No.15256346]

>>15256330
>yes, but someone like ramanujan is diferent from the npc cattle.
Disagree. He was very much inserted in his local society, with his religion, his wife, living with his mother as custom dictated, etc. etc.,hardly an independent thinker at all.

Restating what I said, the bottom line is your society can either encourage people to be fucking goycattle retards or to learn properly.
What direction to you think we're leaning towards?
The only way we're getting another Ramanujan is with a fucking child indoctrination/slavery program, and nowadays all the governments want to make more goycattle not less.

[Anonymous No.15256348]

>>15256346
Exactly see:
https://www.revolver.news/2023/03/the-ugly-truth-about-why-middle-class-kids-not-getting-into-harvard/

[Anonymous No.15256358]

Only results matter. "Could have been" is a cope with no evidence.
Don't become a coper.

So to answer your question, he was nothing special.

[Anonymous No.15256363]

>>15256358
>Only results matter.
His results are better than 99.99999% of people that have ever visited this website kek

[Anonymous No.15256400]

>>15256299

He was wasted, but Hardy took him and helped the best way he knew.

For me the highest spot in history for intellect appreciation and use in society would be from WW2 to about 70s, and even then talent was wasted.

The rest of the time in history great raw intelligence is doubted, like right now, or dismissed by society at large.

In today's world he would be autistically obsesed about something trivial online with fried dopamine receptors like most modern people.
If he managed to get into math, and got to do the work he did independenly he may had gotten into academia today, which probably would destroy his noble soul like it did picrel.

[Anonymous No.15256409]

>>15256400
>Hardy took him and helped the best way he knew.
Hardy should have set his foot down and forced him to study theory from the ground up.
Hardy liked how great he was at computing things, he was fascinated just like we are today.
So instead of an indian euler we got a bunch of summation identities with pi in them.

[Anonymous No.15256538]

>>15256409

Even if he fucked up, he still brought the guy all over from India to Cambridge and got his work published and refined, access to some great minds, teaching, etc... Hardy was a good guy despite his flaws.

We never could have gotten an Euler out of Ramanujan, not with that early death and late start in rigour.

[Anonymous No.15256613]

>>15256538
> late start in rigour.
Disagree, there's nothing miraculous about mathematical rigour.
Late as it was, just make the retard learn it.
Hell, I'll do you one better.
Ignore modern rigour.
Just teach R. modern topics and have him do as much as possible, then chase after rigorous proofs of his statements.
It seems to me this is basically what Hardy did, but he should have taught R. more than his bullshit number theory results.
>Hardy was a good guy despite his flaws.
I don't mean he was a bad guy, hell this is all morally null as far as I know, it's just... disappointing really.
Cambridge should have recognized Ramanujan, put him through a bunch of advanced courses. Would have been great. And if he stayed, maybe he wouldn't have died so early.

[Anonymous No.15256619]

>>15256613
And I must add, perhaps we must blame Ramanujan himself.
Maybe Hardy did intend for him to learn more, but all he cared about was his identities.
Calculation skills alone won't make an Euler, no matter how miraculous

[Anonymous No.15256845]

who was more based?

[Anonymous No.15256925]

>>15256208
Tragic chad tier, born a genius and worked shit out with no formal education.

[Anonymous No.15257051]

>>15256290
>the best "human calculator" if that makes sense
We have a better analogy for that nowadays.