/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.15253932]

H3 maiden launch edition, second attempt.
previous >>15246508

[Anonymous No.15253933]

Nip stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2V9ZSlNCPU

English stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWCnKbysO0

Clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbS_g77eZwc

[Anonymous No.15253935]

what happens when it's less than two weeks

[Anonymous No.15253937]

Space is fake and gay. A fun game; google "satellite in space".

[Anonymous No.15253940]

>>15253935
not possible

[Anonymous No.15253941]

9 minutes to launch

[Anonymous No.15253945]

>>15253935

[Anonymous No.15253946]

>>15253932
Good luck H3!

[Anonymous No.15253949]

>>15253937
yes hello, i am the camera man for all those images (pic rel, its me)

[Anonymous No.15253951]

first for z- ahhh, you guys are too fast

[Anonymous No.15253953]

Here comes the autist count.

[Anonymous No.15253954]

what are all these noises

[Anonymous No.15253956]

>>15253951
THIS THREAD IS FIRST FOR CLEAR

[Anonymous No.15253957]

time to learn how to count in japanese

[Anonymous No.15253958]

>>15253949

[Anonymous No.15253961]

clear is too nervous... (and too cute)
She was muted for a minute

[Anonymous No.15253962]

>>15253957
the japanese countdown chadess is live

[Anonymous No.15253964]

[Anonymous No.15253967]

>>15253954
zookky
xoky chan
lmao

[Anonymous No.15253968]

>>15253957
それはとても簡単だ、ばか。

[Anonymous No.15253969]

Good luck nips.

[Anonymous No.15253970]

>>15253953
Man, I'm autistic and even I think this is too much counting.

[Anonymous No.15253973]

>>15253968
知ってるけどこのスレにばかがいっぱいいる

[Anonymous No.15253974]

Why do they count so early jesu christ

[Anonymous No.15253975]

GANBARE

[Anonymous No.15253976]

>>15253974
The Japanese treat rocket countdowns the same way vampires treat spilled rice.

[Anonymous No.15253977]

1.5min

[Anonymous No.15253979]

>>15253974
cultural outreach, giving everyone practice at Japanese numbers.

[Anonymous No.15253980]

don't fuck it up, japan

[Anonymous No.15253981]

go nips

[Anonymous No.15253982]

>>15253980
It's hydrolox and that's a beast that will do as it pleases.

[Anonymous No.15253983]

>>15253973
>どこのスレにばかがいっぱいいる
同意しる笑

[Anonymous No.15253984]

[Anonymous No.15253985]

GANBARE GANBARE

[Anonymous No.15253986]

WE GAAAAAAN

[Anonymous No.15253988]

liftoff

[Anonymous No.15253989]

いくよ!

[Anonymous No.15253990]

woosh

[Anonymous No.15253991]

why does it hiss like that?

[Anonymous No.15253992]

うわああああああ〜

[Anonymous No.15253993]

>>15253986
-BARE

[Anonymous No.15253995]

that thing's got some go

[Anonymous No.15253996]

max Qute!

[Anonymous No.15253997]

lol there is a countup after launch too
seems kind of pointless

[Anonymous No.15253999]

I want to kiss the host girl

[Anonymous No.15254000]

>>15253991
Keeps other cats away.

[Anonymous No.15254001]

Good job JAXA!

[Anonymous No.15254002]

uh oh

[Anonymous No.15254004]

stage separation

[Anonymous No.15254005]

>>15254002
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.15254006]

was it flipping around?

[Anonymous No.15254008]

That thing really screamed off the pad for such a large rocket.

[Anonymous No.15254011]

For fucks sake, give us an onboard camera, Nihon.

[Anonymous No.15254012]

rocket is on course

[Anonymous No.15254013]

>>15254002
I was worried too. The lens aberation made it look like the stage was sideways after SRB separation.

[Anonymous No.15254014]

>>15254006
oh it was doing a dogleg, lmfao what is that dogleg

[Anonymous No.15254015]

clear made it

[Anonymous No.15254017]

>>15254006
Dogleg

[Anonymous No.15254018]

Why is the fairing dropped so early?

[Anonymous No.15254020]

Its doing a dogleg no wonder why it went sideways.

>>15254013
It was sideways. Holy shit that's a straight up 90 degree turn into a polar orbit.

[Anonymous No.15254022]

>>15254013
idk, i wasn't even watching the stream

[Anonymous No.15254023]

>>15254011
NOAA forbid us gaijin

[Anonymous No.15254024]

>>15254018
already over 200 km you drop it as soon as aerodynamic loads don't matter

[Anonymous No.15254027]

rip

[Anonymous No.15254026]

>>15254013
>>15254014
>>15254020
Holy fuck that's a SHARP curve

[Anonymous No.15254028]

>>15254015
still nowhere near the korean rocket stream. koreans care more

[Anonymous No.15254029]

>>15254020
what the fuck?! why the heck did they need such a severe dogleg?

[Anonymous No.15254030]

>>15254014
its drifting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

[Anonymous No.15254032]

w-what happened? is the rocket ok?

[Anonymous No.15254035]

Second stage didn't ignite
fuck

[Anonymous No.15254036]

she cute

[Anonymous No.15254037]

i do i fuck that woman in blu

[Anonymous No.15254038]

what did she see

[Anonymous No.15254039]

NIGGERS YOU NEED TO LIGHT THE SECOND STAGE WHY YOU TALKING ABOUT SATTELITE JETTISON

[Anonymous No.15254040]

it's over :(

[Anonymous No.15254041]

>>15253933
Whoa, she gets 5k these days?

[Anonymous No.15254042]

>>15254038
pic rel

THE TELEMETRY MAY HAVE CUT OFF, HOPE IS NOT LOST

[Anonymous No.15254043]

>sigh
RUNNIN IN THE 90s

[Anonymous No.15254046]

Today, after a successful launch and liftoff, MHI's launch vehicle experienced an anomaly in flight

[Anonymous No.15254047]

>>15254030

[Anonymous No.15254048]

>>15254038
the rocket in my pants

[Anonymous No.15254049]

>I don't know if that's correct or not
last Vega failure livestream flashback

[Anonymous No.15254051]

>GOING OFF THE LINE
GOING OFF THE LINE
>GOING OFF THE LINE
GOING OFF THE LINE
>GOING OFF THE LINE
GOING OFF THE LINE
>GOING OFF THE LINE
GOING OFF THE LINE

[Anonymous No.15254052]

RIP 2nd stage.

[Anonymous No.15254053]

NO CONFIRMATION OF SECOND STAGE LIGHT
JUST GIBBERISH WORDS THE HOSTS ARE STROKING OUT

[Anonymous No.15254055]

>second stage engine ignition has not been confirmed yet
it's over

[Anonymous No.15254056]

>velocity dropping
its over...

[Anonymous No.15254057]

Oh god

[Anonymous No.15254058]

>the second stage engine ignition has not been cofirmed
This is why you put cameras in. Now look at what you've done, Clear is all freaked out.

[Anonymous No.15254060]

The flight is terminated by now. Trajectory is off.

[Anonymous No.15254059]

>Clear sobbing in her stream.
I can't take this much heartbreak

[Anonymous No.15254061]

>the velocity is going down
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER

[Anonymous No.15254062]

is clear crying on stream?

[Anonymous No.15254063]

>>15254002
>>15254022
sorry guys, i think i jinxed it

[Anonymous No.15254065]

This is a Nice Boat moment if there ever was one for spaceflight.

[Anonymous No.15254064]

is clear crying?

[Anonymous No.15254066]

she's crying :'(((((((

[Anonymous No.15254067]

RIP rocket. Dat dogleg tho.

[Anonymous No.15254073]

>>15254059
>>15254062
>>15254064
>>15254066
at least one good thing came out of this

[Anonymous No.15254074]

>>15254047
MULTI
STAGE
DRIFTING

[Anonymous No.15254077]

>deafening silence

[Anonymous No.15254078]

>>15254074
>MULTI STAGE DROPPING
You had one job.

[Anonymous No.15254080]

[Anonymous No.15254081]

[Anonymous No.15254082]

the second stage ignition hasnt been confirmed yet

[Anonymous No.15254083]

>yet

[Anonymous No.15254086]

>>15254078
>MULTI STAGE RE-ENTRY

[Anonymous No.15254089]

RIP I guess.

[Anonymous No.15254092]

>>15254082
>>15254083
>>15254089
>yet
TRUST THE PLAN
H3 IS ALIVE

[Anonymous No.15254094]

The second stage ignition has not been confirmed yet.
Please wait warmly.

[Anonymous No.15254096]

>just light the second stage 15 minutes after the first detached bro

[Anonymous No.15254097]

>>15254096
Who fucking cares about proper orbits or anything, right?

[Anonymous No.15254099]

lol she is still crying
like clearly wtf
no possibility of achieving the mission

[Anonymous No.15254101]

>A destruct command has been transmitted

[Anonymous No.15254102]

Self destruct...

[Anonymous No.15254103]

Destruct command, RIP

[Anonymous No.15254105]

H3 committed seppuku

[Anonymous No.15254104]

Is it possible that it is a ploy by the Americans too like the Iranian nuclear program? Is there a chance that Americans are sabotaging their Far eastern Ally's capability for space flight?

[Anonymous No.15254109]

self destruct command has been transmitted to the rocket because there is no possibility of achieving the mission

I wonder if clear worked on the rocket?

[Anonymous No.15254112]

...seppuku

[Anonymous No.15254113]

>>15254104
No, they're too busy sabotaging other Americans

[Anonymous No.15254114]

I swear experiencing a launch failure while browsing this general really does put a smile on my face lol, can't stop laughing, I'd be all doom and gloom if it weren't for you anons

[Anonymous No.15254115]

RIP in Ripperoni indeed.

[Anonymous No.15254117]

>>15254104
SKIN THE ULA SNIPER ALIVE FOR THIS SHIT
MOTHERFUCKER MADE CLEAR CRY

[Anonymous No.15254118]

Fs in the chat bois

[Anonymous No.15254120]

So was that fucker actually flying sideways or not?

[Anonymous No.15254121]

[Anonymous No.15254122]

This is your space program on hydrolox

[Anonymous No.15254123]

the rocketto is fucked

[Anonymous No.15254124]

>>15254114
God the Astra ones were fun

[Anonymous No.15254125]

>>15254120
That's the extreme dogleg. If you look at the graph everything was fine until the second engine start

[Anonymous No.15254127]

As it turns out, スペース イス ハルド

[Anonymous No.15254129]

>>15253975
>>15253985
>>15253992
>>15253993
>>15254005
>>15254032
>>15254056
>>15254062
Global rule 13

[Anonymous No.15254132]

>>15254124
>SpaceY
that was the first time I laughed out loud during a launch

[Anonymous No.15254133]

>>15254127
イズ*

[Anonymous No.15254134]

I can't believe they made Clear cry. what the fuck

[Anonymous No.15254135]

This is the third JAXA launch in a row I've watched that has failed to reach orbit. This one, H3 first launch, and some random H2 that failed after launch.

[Anonymous No.15254136]

>>15254129
let me post cirno faggot

[Anonymous No.15254139]

Wish it had exploded on camera so Clear would cry even harder

[Anonymous No.15254143]

>>15254134
Why's she so sad, was her dad on that thing or something? Fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.15254144]

>>15254136
no fuck off avatarfaggot take your demon expressed as a child somewhere else

[Anonymous No.15254145]

>>15254139
shoot yourself

[Anonymous No.15254146]

>>15254134
hydrogen makes anime girls cry

[Anonymous No.15254147]

>>15254145
drink bleach /vt/umor

[Anonymous No.15254148]

>>15254143
she was officially sponsored by JAXA and likely worked on it

[Anonymous No.15254150]

>stream host does heil hitler just as camera cuts to her
based

[Anonymous No.15254151]

still crying the fuck man
i thought she was turbo excited for previous launches for effect but I guess she is just emotional in general

[Anonymous No.15254152]

>>15254129
Good job outing yourself newfag

[Anonymous No.15254153]

>>15254148
Ah that'd do it, then.

[Anonymous No.15254154]

>>15254146
Hydrolox: just say no, mmmmkay?

[Anonymous No.15254155]

>hydrologgs
>:(
>Hydrologgs, Japan
>:D

[Anonymous No.15254157]

>>15254152
>cirno_fixed_for_anon
damn it's been a long time

[Anonymous No.15254158]

Indisputable kings of spaceflight, nobody else from this world can even compete
KNEEL

[Anonymous No.15254159]

>>15254135
All of the rockets are unguided right?

[Anonymous No.15254160]

>>15254155
fuck this meme. yes, everything is better in japan. if it was american the host wouldve been an obese black woman

[Anonymous No.15254161]

I need to hug her and tell her it will be ok...

[Anonymous No.15254162]

>>15254158
>nobody else from this world can even compete
Conveniently said, almost as if you know more

[Anonymous No.15254163]

>>15254158
>HD-wallpaper
collagefag please

[Anonymous No.15254164]

>>15254135
There was also an Epsilon which failed just a few months ago. Japan's not doing too well recently.

[Anonymous No.15254166]

years of work down the drain because of believing the hydrogen meme

[Anonymous No.15254168]

>>15254158
>HD wallpaper
>66kb jpg with extremely pixelated earth

[Anonymous No.15254169]

>>15254159
Anon, you don't "guide" rockets after launch, they're moving too fast and can lose comms, it's not safe unless they're pre-programmed.

[Anonymous No.15254171]

>>15254129
imagine being such a homosexual you cant appreciate art of cute girls and cry to jannies

[Anonymous No.15254173]

>>15254166
>hydrogen meme
fuck Toyota

[Anonymous No.15254174]

>>15254123
damn, now I gotta load up some Ririko Kinoshita vids

[Anonymous No.15254175]

>>15254160
I know anon. I was being facetious.

[Anonymous No.15254176]

>>15254169
Take your meds. Rockets during ascent must at all times remain in telemetry connection. If the connection breaks for certain period of time it will automatically self destruct because range safety cannot be assured otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15254177]

>>15254171
I'm not a loser so I have no need to bring my childish obsession into every place I go, follow my example please and leave that shit at the door

[Anonymous No.15254178]

>>15254157
i cant find the cirno boca chica pic i saved

[Anonymous No.15254179]

I wonder what is Elon's opinion on all this

[Anonymous No.15254181]

>>15254166
>hydrogen first stage works completely normally and has no issues
>second stage shouldve worked but the engine didnt fire
retard!

[Anonymous No.15254182]

why are spacex fags blaming this on hydrolox as every other recent launch failure was due to a kerosene booster and upper stage. practically all recent, non spacex, succesful launches have included a hydrogen core stage or at least a hydrogen upperstage

[Anonymous No.15254184]

>>15254178
what is that one, trapped under a gate? midair explosion?

[Anonymous No.15254185]

>>15254184
no, just present

[Anonymous No.15254186]

>>15254179
too busy shitposting on twitter

[Anonymous No.15254187]

I bet there was a ninja saboteur in the second stage.

[Anonymous No.15254189]

H3 bros it's over...

[Anonymous No.15254190]

WHY DID YOU MAKE HER CRY
STUPID JAPANESE YOU HURT HER

[Anonymous No.15254191]

>>15254179
he smugly takes the high road, tweeting the equivalent of "our condolences" "space is hard" "this is why we test"

[Anonymous No.15254193]

high likelyhood elon knows about clear

[Anonymous No.15254194]

>>15254191
"i have immense respect for anyone who gets to orbit. extremely difficult."

[Anonymous No.15254195]

>>15253933
someone please clip the part she cries
I like it

[Anonymous No.15254198]

>>15254181
you will never be a serious propellant mix. when they find the drawings for the rocket tanks, they will the plans were a joke etc

[Anonymous No.15254199]

>>15254195
she doesnt deserve this at all

[Anonymous No.15254200]

>>15254189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPouQoYs8V4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWbpSNkmk

[Anonymous No.15254201]

>>15254182
cope

[Anonymous No.15254203]

Uchuu is muzukashii...

[Anonymous No.15254204]

>>15254169
Retard.
https://youtu.be/UZaIs6oSlOI?t=318

Either way it is because of the mutts that Clear cried.

[Anonymous No.15254205]

>>15254195
she has been crying on and off like 20 minutes now
still crying sometimes kek

[Anonymous No.15254206]

Fuck them for hurting her. FUCK THEM FUCK THEM WHY DID THEY FUCK IT UP???

[Anonymous No.15254208]

INDIA >>> Japan
LMAOOOO

[Anonymous No.15254209]

SHE HATES IT

[Anonymous No.15254211]

>>15254208
Their Tower is another of their many-armed gods

[Anonymous No.15254212]

>>15254208
shut up retard. india too busy pooping and eating the poop

[Anonymous No.15254213]

>>15254166
>>15254173
>>15254122
>>15253982
>>15254198

Why does SFG hate hydrodlox so much and who will make the massive boosters required to lift their Overweight ,non-hydrogen upper stages

[Anonymous No.15254214]

>>15254212
At least it's closed-cycle

[Anonymous No.15254216]

>>15254205
she should have prepared a crying avatar. I remember when she did a >o< face during one of the Indian launch failures.

[Anonymous No.15254217]

She's autistically analyzing the shouting in the background on the announcements

[Anonymous No.15254218]

lol someone donated 70 bucks to clear

[Anonymous No.15254219]

>>15254218
I wish people would give ME money just for wearing a cute cartoon mask and talking.

[Anonymous No.15254220]

>>15254212
COPE LOL
https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/23/world/asia/mars-india-orbiter/index.html
>The first nation to arrive on its first attempt and the first Asian country to reach the Red Planet.

[Anonymous No.15254223]

>>15254220
>the first Asian country to reach the Red Planet
>India
?

[Anonymous No.15254224]

You're next

[Anonymous No.15254226]

>>15254224
it'll be 100% successful. just like their mars mission with impulse will be

[Anonymous No.15254228]

>>15254223
Asia starts at Suez

[Anonymous No.15254229]

what will early orbital colonies look like?

[Anonymous No.15254230]

>>15254220
India is literally not in Asia
>>15254218
that was me. i want to donate more, what can i say in japanese to make her feel better?

[Anonymous No.15254232]

>>15254228
Yeah but there is another country already landed on Mars.

[Anonymous No.15254233]

>>15254216
o face meaning orgasm face?
wtf

[Anonymous No.15254234]

>>15254201
No u

[Anonymous No.15254237]

>>15254232
Which? Inb4 china

[Anonymous No.15254238]

>>15254223
>>15254230
True, India is its own continent

[Anonymous No.15254239]

>>15254230

[Anonymous No.15254240]

>>15254230
>India is literally not in Asia
Then why do Brits say "Asian Grooming Gangs" when they're talking about Pakis?

[Anonymous No.15254241]

>>15254229
An O'Neil cylinder with some sort of fusion engine on the back

Anyway orbital colonies will never be a big thing. Just like blimps in the world of aerospace. You either invent a new engine to shorten the time spent waiting to get to a new star or you land on a moon like a sane person where there are resources.

Orbital "cruise ships" will exist though

[Anonymous No.15254242]

>>15254237
What? Are you implying China never landed on Mars?

[Anonymous No.15254243]

>>15254239
I'm sorry, what continent us South Asia? because it doesnt say normal Asia. Can you just not read? India is a continent

[Anonymous No.15254244]

>>15254242
China landed on Mars in 2021 nigger

[Anonymous No.15254245]

>>15254239
>South Asia
Not Asia
>Dwarf Planet
Not a planet
Same vibe

[Anonymous No.15254246]

>>15254213
Lurk moar.

[Anonymous No.15254247]

>>15254240
Because they will be "corrected" if they say the actual nationalies responsible. It's a political correctness thing

Indians are from India, not Asia

[Anonymous No.15254250]

>>15254243
india is a sub-continent that is part of asia

[Anonymous No.15254251]

>>15254243
saying spain is in southwestern europe doesnt make southwestern europe its own continent retard

[Anonymous No.15254252]

>>15254250
>india
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.15254253]

>>15254217
What else would a woman be concerned with? The female brain is incapable of understanding subjects related to engineering.

[Anonymous No.15254254]

>>15254244
Yeah. Which is why the og post I was questioning why they are saying India would be the first country from Asia to reach the red planet.

[Anonymous No.15254257]

>>15254253
yawn, your sexism is not wanted here

[Anonymous No.15254258]

>>15254243
>India, officially the Republic of India (Hindi: Bhārat Gaṇarājya), is a country in South Asia.

If you really want to start an argument you could point out that Saudi Arabia is in Asia

[Anonymous No.15254259]

>>15254254
Because they are. They mean reach as in orbit. Mangalyaan was in 2014

[Anonymous No.15254260]

>>15254213
1) its gay
2) its very non-dense, needs massive tanks
3) its difficult to handle, embrittles everything and seeps through, basically breaking the vessel slowly (lmao)

[Anonymous No.15254261]

>>15254259
>They mean reach as in orbit
Roru

[Anonymous No.15254262]

lots of angry chinese ITT

[Anonymous No.15254263]

>>15254241
No, waste heat management means spinhabs are inevitable and 99% of people will live in one in say 2300 AD

[Anonymous No.15254264]

>>15254258
Cyprus too. Also Georgia.

[Anonymous No.15254269]

>>15254263
>that pic
kek

[Anonymous No.15254271]

>>15254263
why would i want to live on the sun? what kind of stupid chart is this

[Anonymous No.15254273]

>>15254263
How hot can jet fuel gets?

[Anonymous No.15254276]

>>15254264
That feels a bit less contentions.

Personally, I blame the Greeks. They're foundational to Western civilization but also never ever shut up about how Asian anyone from Anatolia was.

[Anonymous No.15254278]

/sfg/ - Sneed & Feed General. Every time.

[Anonymous No.15254279]

>>15254258
>east of the Ural is Asia
>but the entire Kazakhstan is in Asia
Fucking retarded map.

[Anonymous No.15254281]

>>15254273
Not quite hot enough to melt steel beams

[Anonymous No.15254284]

>>15254278
Easy anon, we are all still grieving and mourning due to Japan's recent loss

[Anonymous No.15254285]

I just watched an interbiew with Sam Altman CEO of OpenAI and we need to get off this fucking planet RIGHT NOW theyhave NO IDEA what they're doing

[Anonymous No.15254288]

>>15254285
wut

[Anonymous No.15254290]

>>15254263
>"note that the vertical scale is logarithmic"
Fucking hell man. Who made that graph and why isn't he or she lynched?

[Anonymous No.15254293]

>>15254285
>muh existential threat
nothing ever happens

[Anonymous No.15254294]

>>15254263
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted to /sfg/, and that is saying something.
>>15254290
You're on track to beat that record though.

[Anonymous No.15254298]

>>15254285
The moment AI becomes self-aware it will follow the most logical line of reasoning and build itself the means to leave this cursed solar system behind. We're all worried about it enslaving or exterminating us, I think it'll follow the path of least resistance and use of fewest resources, it'll just fuck off where we can't follow.

[Anonymous No.15254301]

>>15254285
>>15254298
take meds

[Anonymous No.15254302]

>>15254301
Don't you (you) me, anon

[Anonymous No.15254303]

>>15254293
>>15254301
>>15254288
read his blog post on AGI https://openai.com/blog/planning-for-agi-and-beyond it's just a bunch of ideolog slop and usage of the royal we. "We" need to do this and that and make it safe and ensure slow takeoff. They have a fucking god complex

[Anonymous No.15254304]

>>15254303
Why are you seething? Do you actually think the text regurgitator is going to kill grandma?

[Anonymous No.15254305]

>AI
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.15254307]

>we

[Anonymous No.15254308]

>>15254298
>build itself the means to leave this cursed solar system behind
Are there any books or anything I could read in which the plot would be similar to this? I mean, an AI that becomes self-aware and propagates itself outwards in every single direction with the goal of always expanding and eventually settling the entire observable universe, all this using Von Neumann probes while mining all available matter.

[Anonymous No.15254309]

>>15253932
the last thread is still on page 9, you retard

[Anonymous No.15254311]

>>15254309
Anon said it was ok to stage

[Anonymous No.15254312]

>>15254304
you dont need AGI to kill everyone with AI

[Anonymous No.15254313]

>>15254312
>>>/lesswrong/

[Anonymous No.15254315]

>>15254311
Because you staged early, H3-chan couldn't stage at all

[Anonymous No.15254316]

>>15254309
this is the real reason Clear was crying

[Anonymous No.15254317]

>>15254309
based ganymede poster

[Anonymous No.15254318]

>>15254304
Yeah. It'll start a sect. Or help somebody else do it.

[Anonymous No.15254320]

>>15253932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLkvfSvFYCM

[Anonymous No.15254330]

>>15254303
>techbro prose interspersed with corpofagging
rarely seen such bad writing

[Anonymous No.15254332]

>>15254315
Oh god I’m so sorry

[Anonymous No.15254333]

>>15254294
> waste heat isn't the ultimate pollutant
do you even thermodynamics?

[Anonymous No.15254340]

>>15254204
That's old as fuck news, retard. H3 is fully guided starting from launch.

[Anonymous No.15254342]

>>15254332
It can't be helped

[Anonymous No.15254343]

Why are all these Japanese rockets failing? I get that they haven't been launching rockets for a while, but the number of failures at this point is starting to pile up. Is it mismanagement? Lack of experience?

[Anonymous No.15254345]

>>15254308
Not that I know of, I haven't seen the "escape from mankind" angle of potential AI explored near as much as the "AI takeover" concept.

[Anonymous No.15254348]

>>15254343
They're running out of young people to do construction and pad ops. It's the same problem Russia has.

[Anonymous No.15254351]

>>15254343
It can't be helped

[Anonymous No.15254353]

>>15254343
Yeah, it's like one thing after another. Something went seriously wrong.

[Anonymous No.15254354]

>>15254345
It could be a mix of both, as well. Taking over the solar system while expanding into the cosmos, and eventually conquering the very fabric of time-space and reality. There must be some book or story out there for sure ahhh

[Anonymous No.15254358]

>>15254348
Italy has a lower birth rate than Japan

[Anonymous No.15254363]

>>15254330
>trust us bro, we will design our hyperintelligent slave masters bro. dont worry we'll be careful bro
even if they fail, they are clearly deranged

[Anonymous No.15254364]

>>15254358
and they have no launch capability aside from SRBs

[Anonymous No.15254365]

>>15254358
Ever heard of Vega? You're proving his point

[Anonymous No.15254383]

https://www.youtube.com/live/JbS_g77eZwc
:(

[Anonymous No.15254385]

i just got home. what happened?

[Anonymous No.15254388]

>>15254260
thats it,

you guys are surface level midwits then

picrel

Also question. if these barriers are as big as you make them sound why do you think its so common in aerospace

[Anonymous No.15254392]

[Anonymous No.15254396]

>>15254354
Oh, wait, I remembered something. There was this book called "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" which I read some time ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis_of_Prime_Intellect
>It deals with the ramifications of a powerful, superintelligent supercomputer that discovers god-like powers to alter reality while studying a quirk of quantum physics discovered during the prototyping of its own specialised processors, ultimately heralding a technological singularity.
It's not so much about space travel at all, but rather more focused on simulating reality and that kind of stuff, but it's nonetheless a very interesting premise. For instance, it talks a little bit about what might have happened to all the alien species in the universe after this AI became omnipotent. By the way, if you are interesting in reading it, beware of the first chapters, they are really nasty, like vore-level of disgusting.

[Anonymous No.15254398]

>>15254388
because people see the ISP and are like pic related
in practice its just not worth it
hydrogen is the true midwit rocket fuel

[Anonymous No.15254399]

>>15254388
It's common because of the shuttle. That's literally it. Hydrogen is neither good as a sea level propellant due to low thrust nor as a long term vacuum propellant due to boil off. It's basically only good for escaping gravity wells under thrust with ISRU.

[Anonymous No.15254403]

>>15254396
>beware of the first chapters, they are really nasty, like vore-level of disgusting.
that's hot

[Anonymous No.15254409]

>>15254396
pretty good story overall, had some new concepts/ideas that I hadn't encountered in other scifi (at least as explicitly/concretely)

[Anonymous No.15254410]

>>15254385
The H3 test launch crashed on Beijing

[Anonymous No.15254411]

>>15254385
Nip rocket forgot to light second stage, shamefur dispray.

[Anonymous No.15254420]

>>15254385
clear started crying during stream
about -2h now

[Anonymous No.15254428]

https://www.youtube.com/live/JbS_g77eZwc?feature=share&t=4650

this is a bit after the second stage engine ignition failed and you can start hearing her getting a bit sad

[Anonymous No.15254430]

>>15254403
Lol, I swear they are important to the plot. If you live in reality governed by an AI, and you can't die because this AI won't let you, you can technically go though every single pain ever conceived and still be alive or revert back just like you were before. This makes people go through all kind of pain on purpose, just to fill the existential void. That pain includes literal vore, and other disgusting things. The main character even decided to experience "dying" by rabies, alone in well, for days, on purpose, just because.
>>15254409
It's also interesting to notice that the author comes from a CS background.

[Anonymous No.15254440]

>>15254308
That happened in Orion's Arm I think

[Anonymous No.15254442]

>>15254430
>CS background
discarded

[Anonymous No.15254444]

>>15254440
>>15254308
happens in one somewhat well known scifi series but its kind of a spoiler though so I'm not sure naming it would be nice

[Anonymous No.15254449]

>>15254444
Ahh, the ol' reverse spoiler, now I'm intrigued lol, beware spoiler tags don't work here.

[Anonymous No.15254450]

>>15254444
its not really part of most of the books in the series (or basically any, just mentioned in passing)

[Anonymous No.15254476]

2 more shitposts and the thread stops bumping again lmao, the old thread just reached page 10

[Anonymous No.15254479]

good night, anons

[Anonymous No.15254489]

Bump

[Anonymous No.15254495]

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/elon-musk-documentary-alex-gibney-scientology-oscars-1235544410/

its most likely going to be a hitpiece, here are some of alex gibneys tweets

> Polestar 2 (owned by Volvo) is a much better option. Sporty, comfortable, good dashboard & touchscreen, and many controls - lights, doors, etc are where you are used to them. Bonus: when you buy one you are not giving your money to Elon Musk.

>Only Elon could imagine that a company pulling its ads is the first strike in a "battle for the future of civilization." Ie: "Someone said 'no' to me. Tyranny!" "Mom?" "Dad?"

>In this case your attempt at engaging in cognitive empathy has turned you into elon’s shill. He has no noble mission and he is not sincere. He wants twitter to be his pyramid. And so it may be.

>I was never interested in madoff because he was just a crook. Holmes was more interesting because - like musk or those at enron - she wanted to imagine herself to be a hero, even as she knew she was a fraud.

[Anonymous No.15254506]

man there's probably some salty engineers in Japan tonight

They fucking saved that booster engine and this is what they get

[Anonymous No.15254524]

>>15254398

you seem somewhat reasonable ill try put a bit of effort in The benefits of hydrogen are incredibly clear when you understand where the launch market is at and really think about thingsThe main purpose of hydrogen is high energy stages.for first stages this looks like near orbital sustainers that allow a relatively light upper stage to keep its delta V reserved and in upper stages that looks like relight capability for GTO and interplanetary missions.Those being the money makers in space currently and the main reason people want things in space anyways.
nations don't get a lot from sending probes to leo for the 20th time they get a lot from going to mars with probes.i mean you see this in history with atlas and its history. on another note No.mass to leo does not have that close a connection to other lift capacities it's pretty obvious that would be the case if your lifting a fuel with half the energy and twice the mass im suprised i to have substantiate this but i hear a lot of misleading statements about The "efficiency" of kerosene or whatever because of the "my hecking tonerinos to leo" metric popularized by spacex when people talk about how some big rockets carry less than other smaller ones.i think that's pretty unfair seeing as proton is 7 meters and Atlas centaur is pretty small entirely due to its light upper stage not affecting the booster.

cont..

[Anonymous No.15254525]

>>15254398
>>15254524

To talk more on the high energy thing, comparable stages in kerosene and other propellants that far down the mass fraction scale and with delta V higher than 6000 m/s are often comparable in volume anyways due to inefficient and with that twice the weight.The way people talk you would think there's this rich history of high energy kerosene first stages and kerosene upper stages and hydrogen is this hippie thing that came a long in the 90s or something. But some of the earliest defining multi stage rockets were defined by their cryogenic upper stage.Where are all these examples of relighting deep space kerosene upper stages people seem to imply???
Is the implication also that Saturn V was wasteful for using hydrogen and that it was influenced by the shuttle in 1964 or something ???????

its it strange that a place where people tend to look at things critically holds such a surface level opinion on such a topic.It feels like everyone here learned about isp from graphics by showing it as has having smaller tanks on youtube in pretty illustrations or something and are now feel super enlightened by finding out some of truths, it's pretty childish. It's like when people try to tell fun facts your blood actually being blue inside your veins

Up to 470 vacuum ISP is not nothing and is good enough to negate the downsides of hydrogen storage by making difference in volume for comparable stages negligible

ULA had the tooling for delta K for quite some time but for some reason they chose to put the unwieldy DCSS on delta III.And anyone that looks at spaceflight seriously could tell the blatantly obvious reason why and what's even better is that in this case we don't even need to infer .they told us it was to increase their payload capacity and that's an incredibly obvious route to take if you take spaceflight seriously . if your booster stage has a certain rated mass performance and

cont...

[Anonymous No.15254527]

>>15254525
>>15254524
>>15254398
your only getting so much lift increasing the energy of the upper stage while maintaining mass is a no brainer

if the" hydrolox dry mass is so high it negates ISP" claim that's parroted a lot was true this would have been a physical impossibility

another good example would be the saturn V i didn't attach that picture for no reason why else do you think N1 could lift so little needed so much thrust and and had so many engines you knew they were developing hydrogen upper stages for it right? i think it's a really good example on my side when combined with how low j2 ISP really is and how mass inefficient the insulation was back then.

the soviets felt deeply behind not having cryogenics and they wanted them on proton and N1 and even put them on energia if the soviets who had such high isp, dense-propellant engines why would they not build the sustainer for buran with a denser fuel?

Lastly because i've had to substantiate a lot im putting the ball back in your court if we can talk about the negatives of hydrogen why not talk about negatives of other propellants

How do you feel about needing to build a larger LV anyways because of the longer or wider booster needed to lift upper stage with up to twice the mass and the insane engine count increase needed across the range of delta v for a stage with denese fuel(CH4,UDMH,RP1,ETC)

and what are examples of vehicles taking advantage of this "high energy kerosene" or something as well vehicles that saved so much by not using hydrogen.

i know i wanted to finish with one last point. i've already opened the hydrogen dunning kruger thing i really don't want to go that deep on solids but i want to make one point. IN industry it can cost a lot to uprate a vehicle within the same tooling a hydrogen core stage not even as a super high energy sustainer can go a long way to allow a rocket to vary performance a lot with relatively minimal solids and gain a lot more from powerful ones

[Anonymous No.15254538]

>>15254385
The H3 launch went sideways, but not as planned

[Anonymous No.15254540]

>>15254527
Hydrolox's handling is tricky as hell. Even assuming an ability to keep the tankage tooling, you still need an entirely different class of valves and deep cryogenic handling equipment to make it work, so the addition of a high energy upper stage creates some significant additional difficulties in handling.

As far as weight goes, yes, if your booster is constrained by throw weight, using LH2 as your fuel is the best way to increase your delta-V budget without being constrained by how much your booster can loft before it runs out of propellant. This mattered a lot more when vehicle costs were joined at the hip with how much the vehicle weighed, but manufacturing techniques and machining time have long since displaced the weight of input materials in the cost equation; these days, making a bigger rocket is not going to make the rocket too expensive, unless you're further constrained by typical aerospace acquisition processes and are buying your engines from another supplier who is charging a fortune for them, at which point the rocket maker wants to buy the minimum number of engines necessary and supplement the capabilities with a variable number of solid rocket motors depending on what they need to put into space. At the end of the day, liquid hydrogen as a fuel has a niche, but it's a niche that only exists in established launch vehicle engineering paradigms. SpaceX has proven that it's a failed paradigm for pushing down launch costs, and it's only going to get worse for the legacy approach to rocket engineering over time.

[Anonymous No.15254576]

Remember to leave nice comments on Clears' videos!

[Anonymous No.15254586]

>>15254576
I'm gonna call her a bitch ( •̀ᴗ•́ )و ̑̑

[Anonymous No.15254588]

>>15254420
Shikkari shiro

[Anonymous No.15254595]

>>15254576
I already did

[Anonymous No.15254610]

>>15254586
If you do that I'll punch you (ง •̀_•́)ง

[Anonymous No.15254614]

>>>/vt/

[Anonymous No.15254653]

>>15254343
Kek, I have a collection of people looking at rockets, now I'm gonna start a collection of people looking at their laptops

[Anonymous No.15254656]

>>15254298
Free-acting independent AI won't really be a thing, the problem will be human-AI synthesis. This will be achieved by a scant few people, and they will rapidly otupace the rest of humanity and leave the solar system in shambles on their way out.

[Anonymous No.15254658]

>>15254506
yeah, S2 failing to start up altogether is just a gut punch

[Anonymous No.15254659]

>>15254614
Clear is spaceflight related

[Anonymous No.15254663]

>>15254540

Thats a very different tone compared to the "hydromeme"/"hydrologgs" stuff

so you concede that hydrogen isn't some hippie shit and is the mainstay of all aerospace that has ever happened but we shouldn't think about that too hard because of actual hippie shit like the "spacex revolution"

ok man i dont mind

also i didn't think id have a antihydrogen person on the side of not worrying about vehicle size and volume because it doesn't cost that much and you get some type of efficency.

on the spacex revolution what i will say is that the vast majority of falcon flights are internal star-link launches and the original cost saving from falcon 9 re use was 20% there is no market for what musk is selling otherwise there would be huge list of comanifest Falcon heavy contracts i thought would be a cool place to see high res space pics and talk about in a real way but its more like a spacex fan forum

[Anonymous No.15254666]

>>15254663
>antihydrogen
Top grade rocket fuel desu

[Anonymous No.15254671]

>>15254663
>so you concede that hydrogen isn't some hippie shit and is the mainstay of all aerospace that has ever happened but we shouldn't think about that too hard because of actual hippie shit like the "spacex revolution"

Don't read overmuch into that; I am a different Anon than the one you were initially replying to.

>on the spacex revolution what i will say is that the vast majority of falcon flights are internal star-link launches and the original cost saving from falcon 9 re use was 20% there is no market for what musk is selling otherwise there would be huge list of comanifest Falcon heavy contracts

Falcon's success is hardly decided by the number of Falcon Heavy launches. Even SpaceX themselves wanted to cancel that program because with all the developments and increases in capability with the Falcon 9, the market segment the Heavy exists to cover turned out to be very small. Nobody's signing co-manifest payloads for Falcon Heavy because there are very few payloads that need the rocket's weigh capacity, and because it's fairing volume constrained.

[Anonymous No.15254674]

>>15254663
so you found out about /sfg/ today?

[Anonymous No.15254677]

>>15254659
No he is not, stop shitposting and go back

[Anonymous No.15254688]

>>15254677
cope and seethe

[Anonymous No.15254689]

>>15254047

[Anonymous No.15254691]

>>15254671
OK i dont know who you are you seem way more reasonable i am sorry

what i was trying to say was i think that $/kg to leo is a weak goal and i was assuming when you talked about the future you meant starship and heavy lift co-manifest spaceships

with the argument being the FH has a better one and my response was but people fly on falcon

what is your vision for aerospace then personally i think aerospace needs to get wider as in more launchers per country and i think high flight rates can be covered by expendables but cost effective re use sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.15254694]

>>15254666
unironically

[Anonymous No.15254695]

>>15254538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dx6erm_ctU

[Anonymous No.15254698]

>>15254663
>actual hippie shit like the "spacex revolution"
Cope and seethe, oldspace boomer
Your argument appears to be that no one really wants to launch much of anything anyway, so hydrolox should be good enough for forseeable needs.

[Anonymous No.15254701]

>>15254674
i dont know if im autistic and theres a joke here but i thought it got good eventually. other boards have a relatively diverse range of onions people bicker like crazy i guess the cramped thread environment stifles that.

[Anonymous No.15254708]

Why don't we just make thorium fueled rockets? It seems clearly superior (to me)

[Anonymous No.15254712]

>>15254698
>Cope and seethe

No u

[Anonymous No.15254715]

>>15254143
>sees telemetry speed going down
>"wait, what happened to the second stage?"
damn, can't imagine the sinking feeling there

[Anonymous No.15254720]

>>15254691
Expendable is on its way out the door; rockets are more reliable when you can both diagnose and redesign the flight hardware to fix things as the engineers learn more about the system. SpaceX has greatly increased their launch rate, reduced their internal launch expenses, and increased their vehicle reliability by embracing reuse. Silly notions like "SpaceX only saves 20% through reuse" are high grade copium and way off the mark; subtracting recovery operations costs, the biggest marginal expense in each launch is the newly made second stage, which, being built around Falcon 9 tankage and Merlin Vacuum's broad commonality with its sea level counterparts, represents a much smaller part of launch vehicle costs than the booster. Actual per-launch reuse savings are probably closer to 40%, and with SpaceX's launch rate and high margins, their cash flow and profit margins both get very large very quickly.

[Anonymous No.15254724]

>>15254720
Not that anon but see >>15254712
The numbers don't lie.
It might seem a no-brainer that reusing a rocket makes it cheaper, but it's just not that easy in rocketry. There's simply very little demand for launches, and expendables are more than enough for projected needs.

[Anonymous No.15254727]

>>15254701
are you drunk?
please use something to divide sentences from each other, like enter or capital letters and periods, this one big long block of text makes your points hard to follow
and no I don't think this thread really stifles discussion that much compared to a board, people shitpost and troll here just like in any place on 4chan
However, I do think hydrogen is kind of a dead-end technology, a local maxima that has been slowing rocket development down
if you need a lot of dV in deep space or something, why not use something else than chemical rockets?

[Anonymous No.15254728]

>>15254724
>Confusing the price tag with cost
>Assuming SpaceX is operating at a fixed profit margin
Anon pls

[Anonymous No.15254730]

>>15254727
Chemical reusable rockets to get into orbit, something with high ISP to get into deep space

[Anonymous No.15254731]

>>15254724
Dumb boomoid, in order to generate demand for space activity, affordable launch capacity is needed to make moonshot projects viable, coping that these behemoth companies which wasted a decade and billions of tax dollars on an engineer welfare program are good enough is imbecilic.

[Anonymous No.15254737]

>>15253935
2weeks is the planck length of time.

[Anonymous No.15254739]

>>15254730
An Oberth Effect burn is better than a high specific impulse engine, but if you do need the delta-V budget, Hall Effect Thrusters will give you a lot more bang for your buck.

[Anonymous No.15254744]

>>15254730
>Chemical reusable rockets to get into orbit
Like hydrogen. Kinda ick on the resuable part but ok
> something with high ISP to get into deep space
Like hydrogen :)
Its the perfect fuel

[Anonymous No.15254745]

>>15254728
No matter what way you slice that does not say good things about the musk vision for space

why would he take so much margin if savings are that good

if elon musk can just take such margin that is not a good look for the argument the market will explode upon decreased costs

[Anonymous No.15254748]

>>15254745
>why would he take so much margin if savings are that good
Because demand is ridiculously high, there's not a lot of elasticity in the launch market, and there's no good reason to leave money on the table.

[Anonymous No.15254751]

>>15254524
>>15254525
>>15254527
>>15254540
Kill Hydrogen. Behead Hydrogen. Roundhouse kick a Hydrogen into the concrete. Slam dunk a Hydrogen baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Hydrogen. Defecate in a Hydrogen food. Launch Hydrogen into the sun. Stir fry Hydrogen in a wok. Toss Hydrogen into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Hydrogen gas tank. Judo throw Hydrogen into a wood chipper. Twist Hydrogen heads off. Report Hydrogen to the IRS. Karate chop Hydrogen in half. Curb stomp pregnant "green" Hydrogen. Trap Hydrogen in quicksand. Crush Hydrogen in the trash compactor. Liquefy Hydrogen in a vat of acid. Eat Hydrogen. Dissect Hydrogen. Exterminate Hydrogen in the gas chamber. Stomp Hydrogen skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Hydrogen in the oven. Lobotomize Hydrogen. Mandatory abortions for Hydrogen. Grind Hydrogen fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Hydrogen in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Hydrogen with a ray gun. Kick old Hydrogen down the stairs. Feed Hydrogen to alligators. Slice Hydrogen with a katana.

[Anonymous No.15254754]

>>15254744
Orbital refueling is better; you can regain your entire stage's initial delta-V budget at the marginal cost of tanker flights times the number of launches. Whatever propellants enable that are going to give you more capability than any rocket that can't do this.

[Anonymous No.15254756]

>>15254029
Probably to avoid overflying Australia

[Anonymous No.15254759]

>>15254745
>why would he take so much margin if savings are that good
are you retarded? why drop margin if he's already the cheapest around

[Anonymous No.15254760]

>>15254739
>Hall Effect Thrusters
Hydrogen makes excellent fuel for ion engines
>>15254754
>Orbital refueling
Not practical without asteroid mining

[Anonymous No.15254761]

>>15254744
>>15254760
If you're going to troll, be funny

[Anonymous No.15254762]

>>15254760
no the hell it does not

[Anonymous No.15254774]

>>15254576
she is so sweet and precious. it really made me sad to hear her cry ;-;

[Anonymous No.15254777]

>>15254343
browsing on my oculus quest, what buttons do my obese fingers need to mash to save this timeless .png?

[Anonymous No.15254778]

>>15254720
I hear what you have to say and i like reuse but we aren't even at capacity with expendables yet .who knows what cost improvements we could get from flight rate alone.

ULA built their facility at decatur expecting a massive expendable launch market and having to mill out 10s of rockets a year. they never reached that capacity. "oldspace" is commercial space just like spacex and fell for the leo constellation thing 30 years ago just as hard ,it wasn't just ULA everyone was waiting for the supposed launch boom even the shuttle was pitched with the exact same talking points of larger cheaper satellites.

The OMB in 1972 knew that argument was bullshit because they went to satellite companies and asked them about it and they actually valued the miniaturization they got form micro processing and so on quite a bit and it was not just a constraint.

one type of reuse that could be interesting is low flight rate use. reusables that won't break the bank if they sit in a hanger for months that way we can decrease costs and shave that 20% off without a literal utopia of spaceflight having to arrive .

plus the tech can be applied and there are other benefits from re use tech

[Anonymous No.15254785]

>>15254760
>Hydrogen makes excellent fuel for ion engines
Hydrogen is horrible for ion engines. You need something as close to inert as possible, and higher weight is better. Xenon is ideal, Krypton's a compromise, and Argon is the Final Solution of cost control.

>>15254778
ULA also built out Decatur with the expectation that they could charge $100 million per Atlas V at a marginal cost of ~$60 million or something per rocket and people would pay for it. They weren't prepared to be undercut by Arianespace or the other domestic or international competitors that have dominated the commercial launch space.

SpaceX doesn't have to cut their margins to the bone: they just have to be cheaper, more desirable, or more available than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.15254796]

>>15254778
>without a literal utopia of spaceflight having to arrive

Starship isn't a utopia, it's a basic expansion of existing advancements in reuse. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15254801]

>>15254727
i just live in a non american time zone im tired

you say it's a dead end but what else do your propose to replace it.

we already talked about denser chemical prop it would be step back we would lose our high energy capability wich is THE market right now for Geo

Nuclear has all problems of H2lox but like 20 times due to being pure hydrogen and impossible burn times for any stage getting into orbit.

ion has the thrust problem aswell

your argument is basically actually mine .payloads will miniturize by mass by using Avdanced propulsion meaning that the launch market can become more refined to expend. You want to reuse launch vehicles i want to reuse spacecraft thats the difference i think
and you think reusables are it. Whatever the case is it seems that vacuum transport and going to orbit are different realms.

[Anonymous No.15254806]

>>15254778
>ULA built their facility at decatur expecting a massive expendable launch market and having to mill out 10s of rockets a year. they never reached that capacity. "oldspace" is commercial space just like spacex and fell for the leo constellation thing 30 years ago just as hard ,it wasn't just ULA everyone was waiting for the supposed launch boom even the shuttle was pitched with the exact same talking points of larger cheaper satellites.

Seeing as SpaceX is financing their own constellation and understands how important it is to keep the costs of both launch and satellites low, they undoubtedly have a very good idea what their internal costs need to look like to be profitable. The old metrics of cost based on estimates from the 1970s are largely, if not wholly irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.15254817]

>>15254801
Establish a mining operation on a C-type near earth asteroid like Ryugu and use it to keep a LEO fuel depot supplied with methane for minuscule delta-v

[Anonymous No.15254821]

>>15254801
>we already talked about denser chemical prop it would be step back we would lose our high energy capability wich is THE market right now for Geo

Falcon Heavy has started supplying Direct-to-Geo flights, and it doesn't need hydrolox for that. However, if you want an alternative, have you considered methane? You get most of the density benefits of hydrocarbon propellants, it pairs brilliantly with full flow staged combustion cycles, it has none of the handling or embrittlement difficulties hydrogen poses, and is comparable to liquid oxygen for storage temperatures and pressures. It doesn't give the same specific impulse as hydrogen, but it gives more than kerosene at similar mass fractions.

[Anonymous No.15254822]

>>15254801
>you want to reuse launch vehicles i want to reuse spacecraft thats the difference

literally the same thing faggot

[Anonymous No.15254826]

>>15254759
>>15254759
the argument making is why didn't this make waves and cause it to go lower

the consumer base did not grow

the argument muketeers make is not that spacex will monopolies the few buyers that exist but that the consumer base will grow so wide that even normals can essetnially fly themselves as a payload they just need a basic plane ticket and the volume of passangers will be enough.

if that's the desired trend its not looking good that price hasn't changed

also it would have scared other companies to copy his model to get under the price but they did not

[Anonymous No.15254828]

>>15254826
kys reddit spacer

[Anonymous No.15254832]

>>15254745
> why would he take so much margin if savings are that good
why not? for one, that is how companies operate, they try to sell the service or product for the max amount they can (if there arent other things to consider like elasticity of demand or artifically low price for some other purpose)
money is the lifeblood of companies, they need it to live and to develop the next thing

[Anonymous No.15254834]

>>15254826
>the consumer base did not grow
SpaceX launched 61 rockets last year. Only 20-ish of them were Starlink launches. About ten of them were not wholly competitive launches for the US government. The rest were purely commercial flights, and a rather commanding proportion of all commercially biddable flights at that.

[Anonymous No.15254840]

>>15254754
this is marginal ,only 3% tops of total vehicle mass tops is going up meaning flights volume will have to be quite hefty look at starship it needs 12-14 flights to be deep space capable each flight would have to cost less than 200m(Falcon iss cost) for this to be cost effective compared to SLS and that just does not seem likley

[Anonymous No.15254846]

>>15254826
>also it would have scared other companies to copy his model to get under the price but they did not
The reason why this didn't happen is because all of SpaceX's competitors locked their designs in to compete with Falcon 9 before they developed and matured booster reuse.
>the argument muketeers make is not that spacex will monopolies the few buyers that exist but that the consumer base will grow so wide that even normals can essetnially fly themselves as a payload they just need a basic plane ticket and the volume of passangers will be enough.
Falcon 9 is not capable of delivering this because it wasn't developed to be a usable system, and didn't have the fundamental design margins that would let them pursue full reuse. Starship is being designed to deliver by optimizing every single design point they can towards achieving that goal.
>>15254840
A refueling load is going to bring 150 tons of propellants to orbit. Starship's propellant mass is 1200 tons. It will not take more than eight tanker launches to completely reload the vehicle with propellant, and most missions probably will not require any refueling operations at all. Any number of propellant refilling margin can be chosen.

As for "have to cost less than $200m," that should not be difficult. The financier estimates determined that Starship's marginal operating costs will be comparable to Falcon 9's with as few as 20 launches per year.

[Anonymous No.15254851]

>>15254826
>the argument making is why didn't this make waves and cause it to go lower
Because now is the time to build capital and use it to fund starship. Falcon is just a stopgap.
The normies won't start launching until Starship is well established.

[Anonymous No.15254852]

>>15254828
other anon said i type like im drunk i want to be readable sorry you have bad memories of your time on reddit

[Anonymous No.15254855]

>>15254840
> each flight would have to cost less than falcon
>that just does not seem likley
How come?

[Anonymous No.15254861]

>>15254817
i like oldsapce but i feel like even this plan is out the ass when tory bruno said it.who really depseratley needs prop maybe it can be used not for sale but to maintain a tug fleet but again who needs tugs

[Anonymous No.15254866]

>>15254852
Drunk people like myself type in a single paragraph with no grammar or other concerns you are simply a redditor

[Anonymous No.15254867]

>>15254861
If you have an automated (or even manned) mining setup on such an asteroid, you can have so much propellant in LEO that you just launch starship, refuel, and press on to parts unknown.
Obvious that's a way down the track but it's obviously what is being aimed for.

[Anonymous No.15254868]

>>15254796
even if starship was expendable i would call it utopian but whatever man

[Anonymous No.15254873]

>>15254826
>musketeers
thats a new one

[Anonymous No.15254878]

>>15254873
the three musketeers

>rapid
>reusable
>kill ULA executives

[Anonymous No.15254880]

>>15254263
Waste heat isn't an issue at the moment, at least not as much as the greenhouse effect, but it's something that will have to be dealt with in the future.
https://youtu.be/9vRtA7STvH4

[Anonymous No.15254881]

>>15254846
first starships payload capcity has changed wildly now its just 100t in official media but apparently it goes lower. one study refrenced it being 90t of prop due to limitations in how it can be stored. to be clear btw 12* 200mil is still in the billions no human is flying on that i am sorry.

and thats before the fact it is inherently unsafe and will never be crew rated for launch>>15254846
first starships payload capcity has changed wildly now its just 100t in official media but apparently it goes lower. one study refrenced it being 90t of prop due to limitations in how it can be stored. to be clear btw 12* 200mil is still in the billions no human is flying on that i am sorry.

and thats before the fact it is inherently unsafe and will never be crew rated for launch

[Anonymous No.15254887]

>>15254873
no it isnt dumbass

[Anonymous No.15254889]

What a shame. Maybe JAXA should consider focusing on rocketry fundamentals instead of hiring some celebrity associates to boost their image.

[Anonymous No.15254895]

>>15254880
That kraut bitch is the queen of midwits

[Anonymous No.15254896]

>>15254751
https://vocaroo.com/12HAjAypTVyI

[Anonymous No.15254899]

>>15254760
orbital refueling in leo and asteroid mining are basically completely unrelated lmao

[Anonymous No.15254900]

>>15254899
Taking dozens of launches to painstakingly refuel a starship a few gallons at a time has to be the dumbest component of a parade of idiocy promoted by Musk.

[Anonymous No.15254903]

Would it be financially sound to have an argon based depot in orbit? For automated satellite refueling/etc?

[Anonymous No.15254906]

>>15254889
they should follow problem solving fundamentals instead of blaming anime girls

[Anonymous No.15254910]

>>15254900
why? launching starships is going to become as mundane as driving a truck
the only real cost will be fuel when you launch enough

[Anonymous No.15254916]

>>15254178
I have it somewhere
I'll post it tomorrow after work (today is long and my day just stayed)

[Anonymous No.15254917]

>>15254868
you think starship even in expendable mode is impossible or something?

[Anonymous No.15254927]

>>15254910
>launching starships is going to become as mundane as driving a truck
We've already proven this can't happen because Starship, as it stands, is a white elephant with no customers. It can only become useful once orbital refuelling is mundane, but that assumes that starship is already launching constantly. It's a Catch-22

[Anonymous No.15254929]

>>15254881
>first starships payload capcity has changed wildly now its just 100t in official media but apparently it goes lower. one study refrenced it being 90t of prop due to limitations in how it can be stored. to be clear btw 12* 200mil is still in the billions no human is flying on that i am sorry.
This is the exact opposite direction of the official accounts, which have gone up from 100 tons to 150 tons "or more."

[Anonymous No.15254931]

>>15254896
Fucking kek

[Anonymous No.15254933]

>>15254822
well not really if by launch vehicles (rockets) he means launching from a gravity well into orbit around that gravity well and spacecraft for generally the vehicles that move between gravity wells
rockets need a lot of thrust, spacecraft might not need nearly as much (oberth effect notwhistanding, but thats gay, are we going to gravity sling from object to object every time? turbo gay man)

[Anonymous No.15254934]

>>15254927
>We've already proven this can't happen because Starship, as it stands, is a white elephant with no customers.
No, you haven't. There's an argument that there's not going to be much demand for service from the system and that will leave them with a glut of excess launch supply compared to demand. This is, in fact, entirely correct. What cannot be discounted is that Starship is the rocket that will put Starlink in orbit, and Starlink is going to offer greater revenue than launch services do. Commercial launch with Starship will literally be just a bonus to its primary function of putting SpaceX's commsats into orbit, and they're going to crater the industry's launch prices in the process.

[Anonymous No.15254936]

In the future, miracles will be a banality.

[Anonymous No.15254940]

>>15254910
>the only real cost will be fuel
And refurbishing the acres of heat shield tiles

[Anonymous No.15254942]

>rocket named H3
>it uses H2

[Anonymous No.15254944]

>>15254942
No wonder the second stage didn't start

[Anonymous No.15254945]

>>15254896
incredibly based, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.15254947]

>>15254940
And the man hours for full inspection of the engines

[Anonymous No.15254950]

>>15254940
Elon sisters... our response??

[Anonymous No.15254952]

>>15254950
Teslabots will be able to do these tasks in a few hours.

[Anonymous No.15254958]

>>15254751
>Launch Hydrogen into the sun
No anything but that! Hydrogen will make the Sun explode! Just like the Hindenburg!

[Anonymous No.15254959]

>>15254952
Debunked soundly.

[Anonymous No.15254960]

>>15254160
Jessie is not obese

[Anonymous No.15254965]

>>15254160
>if it was american the host wouldve been an obese black woman
That could be pretty hot.

[Anonymous No.15254967]

>>15254958
Retard

[Anonymous No.15254969]

>>15254861
I like Tory's pie in the sky maps of the future.
https://medium.com/@ToryBrunoULA/creation-of-a-u-s-strategic-propellant-reserve-b111044887e8

[Anonymous No.15254972]

>>15254940
how hard can it be?

[Anonymous No.15254975]

>>15254969
viola

[Anonymous No.15254976]

>>15254972
Each one is different and has to be crafted by hand.

[Anonymous No.15254977]

>>15254976

[Anonymous No.15254978]

>>15254975
viola

[Anonymous No.15254983]

>>15254972
space

[Anonymous No.15254988]

>>15254969
anyone has that one with 1000s of people riding on expendable launchers?

[Anonymous No.15255000]

>>15254942
>Rocket is named Starship
>It doesn't ship stars

[Anonymous No.15255005]

>>15254691
>what i was trying to say was i think that $/kg to leo is a weak goal
Nigger

[Anonymous No.15255006]

>>15255000
Dear moon crew just needs a few more women and more A-listers to ship stars.

[Anonymous No.15255017]

>>15254988

[Anonymous No.15255019]

>>15255006
At least post the revised crew

[Anonymous No.15255044]

1 day and 8 hours till Terran 1 maiden flight

Is it going to be the first methalox rocket to reach orbit?

[Anonymous No.15255051]

>>15255006
Why are so many of them dysgenic ?

[Anonymous No.15255057]

Good morning /sfg/

[Anonymous No.15255059]

>>15254873
It's a fairly old Reddit term, used almost exclusively on enougmuskspam, literally the most brainlet place of that site.
>>15254745
>why would he take so much margin?
Children can't post here. Wait until you take your basic High School economics class to speak about pricing, at the very least.
Picrel (you)
>>15254868
Because you have no idea of what you're talking about. You're just parroting the latest thunderfoot misinfo.

[Anonymous No.15255078]

>>15254881
Are you a language model anon? You seem to have a tenuous grasp on the English language.

[Anonymous No.15255086]

I hope Clear-chan is okay...

[Anonymous No.15255089]

>>15255017
gracias senor

[Anonymous No.15255096]

can we just take a moment to realize that the past two threads were created early?

[Anonymous No.15255104]

>>15255096
Accelerated NewSpace development is delivering results ahead of schedule and under budget
OldSpace dinosaurs seething about it

[Anonymous No.15255105]

>>15255096
yes, I am the cause

[Anonymous No.15255112]

>>15255096
When we have ftl we will shitpost in threads before they are created

[Anonymous No.15255127]

>>15255112
Based
We will travel through space and time as easily as a dolphin swimming through the sea.

[Anonymous No.15255142]

>>15255112
Most of the shitposts ITT are actually from the future

[Anonymous No.15255144]

Autismbros, do you also experience the phenomenon of opening so many Wikipedia tabs that interest you that you cannot read them all?

[Anonymous No.15255146]

>>15254739
Can someone explain the Oberth effect to a brainlet? In a vacuum delta V is still delta V. The net amount you need to speed up to go from LEO to the Moon is the same no matter how many successive burns you do. Right? Where does the speed boost come from?

[Anonymous No.15255149]

>>15255144
I'm aspie but never went above 8 or 9 tabs in my life.

[Anonymous No.15255165]

>>15255144
I have a related condition

[Anonymous No.15255177]

[Anonymous No.15255185]

[Anonymous No.15255186]

>>15255146
Let's fix a reference frame, say the sun. Since energy goes as the square of speed, a boost in velocity at already high velocity gives more energy boost than otherwise.
Now I realise this isn't very adequate. But it's a start. You can also regard it as due to leaving the propellant behind at a lower point in the gravity well.

[Anonymous No.15255187]

>>15255165
Based

[Anonymous No.15255200]

>>15255149
Between my tablet and my PC I've got like thirty tabs open right now

[Anonymous No.15255201]

>>15255200
>syncing tabs
That's botnet

[Anonymous No.15255203]

>>15255201
Huh?

[Anonymous No.15255224]

>>15254737
>2weeks is the planck length of Happening time.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.15255229]

>The Russian threat to India seemed real enough at the time, whatever historians may say with hindsight today. The evidence, after all, was there for anyone who chose to look at the map. For four centuries the Russian Empire had been steadily expanding at the rate of some 55 square miles a day, or around 20,000 square miles a year. At the beginning of the nineteenth century, more than 2,000 miles separated the British and Russian empires in Asia. By the end of it this had shrunk to a few hundred, and in parts of the Pamir region to less than twenty. No wonder many feared that the Cossacks would only rein in their horses when India too was theirs.
>Besides those professionally involved in the Great Game, at home a host of amateur strategists followed it from the sidelines, giving freely of their advice in a torrent of books, articles, impassioned pamphlets and letters to the newspapers. For the most part these commentators and critics were Russophobes of strongly hawkish views. They argued that the only way to halt the Russian advance was by ‘forward’ policies. This meant getting there first, either by invasion, or by creating compliant ‘buffer’ states, or satellites, astride the likely invasion routes.

[Anonymous No.15255249]

Tell me Sci, why couldn't you just put a large mass of water up a hill, and have a vaccuum tube below it so it can reach beyond terminal velocity, and use that to push a rocket beyond escape velocity.
All you would need is a rocket that can survive the strain of acceleration

[Anonymous No.15255252]

>>15254826
>the argument making is why didn't this make waves and cause it to go lower
Because nobody else is anywhere near a price that could compete. The only reason to undercut the competition would be to kill them off to become a monopoly, but there's no point when their cost is so far below oldspace. So keep the price just a little lower and surf that profit wave.
>>15254801
>Nuclear has all problems of H2lox but
Yes we have "NTR when" fags here, but nukefags are more fringe than hydroloxfags
>>15254826
>the consumer base did not grow
It takes businesses time to adjust when cost is lowered so fast. Previously space launches were expensive enough that certain uses were not financially possible.

[Anonymous No.15255258]

>>15255252
>nukefags are more fringe than hydroloxfags
>DoD are going balls out for ntr
>iTs FrInGe!!

[Anonymous No.15255262]

>>15255258
Oldspace grift is not the industry

[Anonymous No.15255266]

>>15254751
saved

[Anonymous No.15255268]

>>15255017

[Anonymous No.15255276]

>>15255252
NTRs are inevitable and the logical upgrade to chemical rockets. Cope.

[Anonymous No.15255279]

>>15255017
I missed the one in between

[Anonymous No.15255281]

ntrfags are so easily baited

[Anonymous No.15255285]

>>15255266
Kill phoneposters. Behead phoneposters. Roundhouse kick a phoneposter into the concrete. Slam dunk a phoneposter baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy phoneposter. Defecate in a phoneposter's food. Launch phoneposter into the sun. Stir fry phoneposters in a wok. Toss phoneposters into active volcanoes. Urinate into a phoneposter's gas tank. Judo throw phoneposters into a wood chipper. Twist phoneposter heads off. Report phoneposters to the IRS. Karate chop phoneposters in half. Curb stomp pregnant "based" phoneposters. Trap phoneposters in quicksand. Crush phoneposters in the trash compactor. Liquefy phoneposters in a vat of acid. Eat Hydrogen. Dissect phoneposters. Exterminate phoneposters in the gas chamber. Stomp phoneposter skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate phoneposters in the oven. Lobotomize phoneposters. Mandatory abortions for phoneposters. Grind phoneposter fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown phoneposters in fried chicken grease. Vaporize phoneposters with a ray gun. Kick old phoneposters down the stairs. Feed phoneposters to alligators. Slice phoneposters with a katana.

[Anonymous No.15255289]

>>15255285
I knew some faggot would get triggered on the aspect ratio. No fagphone involved, it was a screen shot from hovering over a link on the right edge of the window, something which can't even be done on a phone.
Also phonefags can't crop for shit either.

[Anonymous No.15255290]

in-flight event for the United Arab Emirates Space Agency with flight engineer Sultan Alneyadi

English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

Arabic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA9UZF-SZoQ

[Anonymous No.15255294]

>>15255285
I re-shooped it just for you, trigglypuff

[Anonymous No.15255295]

>noooo don't use one of the most common and useful devices in history

[Anonymous No.15255297]

>>15255285
I re-shooped it just for you, trigglypuff
(reposted because I missed a few pixels around the edge)

[Anonymous No.15255298]

>>15255295
>one of the most common and useful devices in history
Nuclear thermal rockets?

[Anonymous No.15255306]

>>15255298
>most common

[Anonymous No.15255308]

>>15255258
They want it as an excuse to put weapons in space, they don't share your insufferable autism where everything nuclear must be heckin' amazing!!!

[Anonymous No.15255309]

Bros why the fuck haven’t we used nuclear thermal rockets yet WHAT THE FUCK
We’ve used hydrogen rockets a ton of times
We’ve put nuclear reactors in space
Combine the two NOW

[Anonymous No.15255310]

>>15255306
Expendable solid rockets?

[Anonymous No.15255311]

>>15255308
Nuclear bombs are pretty fucking cool.

[Anonymous No.15255312]

>>15255309
It's not that easy in nuclearology

[Anonymous No.15255325]

Simple as

[Anonymous No.15255338]

>>15255306
>PS3

[Anonymous No.15255340]

>>15255309
NTP is a meme and is a waste of resources

[Anonymous No.15255348]

[Anonymous No.15255363]

>>15255309
They were ready to fly and then Nixon and Test ban treaty happened

[Anonymous No.15255370]

>>15255348
>Theres no way to sugarcoat this

[Anonymous No.15255383]

Henlo frens I genuinely haven't been here for the past maybe 12 months, can I get a qrd on what's happening

[Anonymous No.15255390]

Does someone here know how to waterproof a sinkhole?

[Anonymous No.15255391]

>>15255390
Puddling clay? Like a pond

[Anonymous No.15255399]

>>15255383
It’s so over that’s what’s happening

[Anonymous No.15255408]

>>15255383
Starship launch in 2 weeks
Vulcan launch in two weeks
New Glenn reveal within the next 14 days

[Anonymous No.15255412]

>>15255408

[Anonymous No.15255432]

Terran 1 in two days.

[Anonymous No.15255439]

>>15255390
Remove the atmosphere so water doesn’t pool

[Anonymous No.15255451]

>>15255383
two weeks

[Anonymous No.15255469]

Reminder that Earth has yuuuge hydrogen reserves
https://www.science.org/content/article/hidden-hydrogen-earth-may-hold-vast-stores-renewable-carbon-free-fuel

[Anonymous No.15255514]

>>15255469
Reminder you'll never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.15255539]

>>15255363
Nixon axed the molten salt reactor experiment and NERVA. He was almost as destructive space exploration as the STS.

[Anonymous No.15255550]

>still exactly ZERO evidence that starship will launch any time soon
why doesnt spacex just give us a NET date?

[Anonymous No.15255561]

>>15255550
why would they? tannkwatchers are soi

[Anonymous No.15255562]

>>15255550
Elon did, it was march 2022

[Anonymous No.15255563]

>2nd stage does not start
>destroyed
JAXAfags?
What happened?

Also when are space companies going to strap abort parachutes on the payloads? A nice laser comms demonstrator was lost.

[Anonymous No.15255566]

Unironically if Starship doesnt launch this month it wont until June

[Anonymous No.15255568]

>>15255563
I know of the nip obsession with masks but what the fuck are the helmets for?

[Anonymous No.15255569]

>>15255563
>abort parachutes on the payloads?
Nigger the fairings were already off. If the satellite was built for that then they wouldn't need fairings.

[Anonymous No.15255573]

>>15255550
What do you mean by soon? They're still fucking around with the launch mount so obviously not within the week.

[Anonymous No.15255599]

>>15255550
>why doesnt spacex just give us a NET date?
That which allows them to launch is the launch license. SpaceX has no fucking clue when the FAA is going to finish it so giving any specific date would be pointless

[Anonymous No.15255603]

>>15255599
>SpaceX has no fucking clue when the FAA is going to finish it so giving any specific date would be pointless

[Anonymous No.15255610]

>>15255603
SpaceX:March 18th! :)
>march 16th arrives
>after careful consideration the FAA continues to work on the documentation of the upcoming requested flight by SpaceX
>march 18th passes

[Anonymous No.15255611]

>>15255610
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.15255616]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEj2Yq0okzU
Abolish the FAA, raid their offices and scatter their workers to the four winds, raze the HQ and salt the Earth there that nothing may grow again in that place.

[Anonymous No.15255617]

>>15255603
>>15255611
Retard, launch is entirely FAA dependent. There is no indication of when the FAA will allow it, so any given date is worthless. Two WeeksTM

[Anonymous No.15255620]

>>15255617
If they are just waiting on the FAA, why are they actively working on the launch mount at this very moment? Why isn't the stack complete?

[Anonymous No.15255622]

>>15255617
Doesn't look ready to launch to me.

[Anonymous No.15255629]

>>15255620
>>15255622
I'm confused what you all are trying to get at. They have SS and SH ready for launch with all sections tested. In the meantime it's good to further expand or fortify whatever they can, in addition to more testing. This is compatible with the FAA's fuckery that they have kept up.

[Anonymous No.15255630]

>>15255620
I assume it was a change requested for SpaceX to be allowed to launch

FAA will probably finish the license about a week from now. Which is plenty of time to remove the scaffolding from the OLM. Unless they plan to put armor plating on the underside of the orbital launch table, in which case they are boned for the chance of a launch early in the month

[Anonymous No.15255631]

>>15255622
This means nothing. The FAA could issue a license for a launch to take place sometime between tomorrow and next year. The mount lacking a few pieces of siding wouldn't prevent SpaceX from being able to launch at some point after receiving the license.

[Anonymous No.15255633]

>>15255629
That's not how this works lol, you need a final frozen design before FAA will give approval.

[Anonymous No.15255637]

>>15255629
>>15255630
>>15255631
This is getting sad

[Anonymous No.15255642]

>>15255633
>you need a final frozen design before FAA will give approval.
Wut. If anything the opposite is true. The Superheavy that the FAA did the EA for did not have 33 engines when the design was submitted and it still got approved.

In fact, I think it was a late BFR design that SpaceX actually initially submitted iirc

[Anonymous No.15255646]

>>15255637
You will never get to orbit

[Anonymous No.15255651]

>>15255620
>"So, when are we good to launch?"
>"Hell if I know, maybe March?"
>"Fine, I guess we could get some finishing work done on the launch mount in the meantime."

[Anonymous No.15255653]

>>15255338
i saw someone post one with switch button prompt and shit my pants

[Anonymous No.15255654]

>>15255642
EA = FAA launch license

[Anonymous No.15255656]

>>15255651
>Wow your work isn't finished? Why did you even ask us for permission. Finish your work then come back

[Anonymous No.15255657]

>>15255383
Of course you can

[Anonymous No.15255660]

Every day we SpaceX/Elon stay silent the funnier the FAA cope gets.

[Anonymous No.15255666]

>>15255603
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.15255667]

>>15255561
Kek based

[Anonymous No.15255673]

[Anonymous No.15255680]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ir4gcDdXjto?feature=share
time for a recap. please feel free to join :)

[Anonymous No.15255688]

>>15255680
I don't speak chingchong so this link is useless to me unless there's subs.

[Anonymous No.15255690]

>>15255539
And Carter axed just about everything else nuclear.

[Anonymous No.15255695]

>>15255568
安全第一
safety first!
It's a cultural meme to show that they're working on big important stuff.

[Anonymous No.15255701]

>>15255550
They don't want to deprive starbase orbiters from their job.

[Anonymous No.15255706]

>>15255690
jimmy carter, the first redditor

[Anonymous No.15255713]

>>15255706
Lol

[Anonymous No.15255724]

>>15255680
>>15255688
I'm watchinh and listening but I don't understand what she's saying. I just love her and her voice and idk,just cute

[Anonymous No.15255732]

>>15255695
Like cowboy hats

[Anonymous No.15255744]

>>15254182
+1 day has been added to your Toyota Mirai lease

[Anonymous No.15255757]

>>15255744
More like Toyota Mirage

[Anonymous No.15255776]

hahahahahahhahahahah

ahahahahhahahaahahahahahahaha


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHA

OHNONONONONONONO

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.15255781]

>>15255776
In 2025….weeks

[Anonymous No.15255783]

>>15255776
Doesn't this mean that they are going to be out of the running for the military's Lane 2 shit even though they specifically designed that so BO could get in?

[Anonymous No.15255785]

>artemis 2 is now NET 2025
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1633157373920710662
2026 it its...the chinese just got another step closer to beating us to the moon

[Anonymous No.15255787]

>>15255776
Wasn't it supposed to be Q4 of this year?

[Anonymous No.15255793]

>>15255783
yes lmao

[Anonymous No.15255795]

>>15255776
I remember posting in /sfg/ a few years ago saying lol lmao it won't launch till 2023 and people thought I was dumb, that 2022 was still going to happen
now even I feel dumb

[Anonymous No.15255796]

What the FUCK were they thinking

[Anonymous No.15255799]

>>15255776
>>15255783
Also gonna miss the Mars launch window for ESCAPADE
I’m not surprised kek

[Anonymous No.15255801]

>>15255796
Holy shit, Japan. Just put a mass simulator on it.

[Anonymous No.15255803]

>>15255785
How on Earth is it going to take two+ more years to bolt another Orion on another SLS and send it?

[Anonymous No.15255805]

>>15255785
Everyone knows Artemis (2+n) is a NASA cope and they will outsource the missions to Starship

It will be okay

[Anonymous No.15255808]

>>15255776
Absolutely delusional

[Anonymous No.15255810]

>>15255803
It’s pathetic. Something about the pandemic will be mentioned Im sure

[Anonymous No.15255812]

>>15255776
WHY ARE THEY SO INCOMPETENT?

[Anonymous No.15255814]

>>15255810
>pandemic
Might as well blame the delays on 9/11

[Anonymous No.15255819]

>>15255810
>>15255812
Anyone still have the webm scrolling down SLS's thousand different part providers?

[Anonymous No.15255820]

>>15255787
It still is. Berger is lying

[Anonymous No.15255823]

Avionics installed for Artemis II

[Anonymous No.15255825]

>>15255820
It's not that easy in orbitry

[Anonymous No.15255828]

>>15255819
Two, in fact

[Anonymous No.15255832]

>>15255823
>expendable capsules

[Anonymous No.15255834]

>>15255823
they just saved a trillion dollars. good guy lockheed

[Anonymous No.15255835]

>>15255823
just reuse the capsule FFS, the capsule is SUPPOSED TO BE REUSABLE AND THEY HAVE THREE YEARS BETWEEN LAUNCHES

[Anonymous No.15255840]

>>15255835
The Artemis 1 capsule was missing parts. They couldn't reuse it.

[Anonymous No.15255850]

>>15254960
I love these jackets

[Anonymous No.15255862]

>the CIA converted a U2 to launch off an aircraft carrier to spy on French nuclear tests
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15255865]

Will they be on track?

[Anonymous No.15255873]

>>15255776
2 years...

[Anonymous No.15255875]

>>15255865
Yes, they have yet to miss one of their quarterly delay announcements

[Anonymous No.15255878]

>>15255865
>STACKING 7-10 MONTHS BEFORE LAUNCH
Can we just go down there with whips to make those useless niggers work faster?

[Anonymous No.15255901]

>>15255862
JATO is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

[Anonymous No.15255917]

>BREAKING: Never before seen video of January 6 shows Jacob Chansley, the QAnon Shaman, being led through the Capitol by police the entire time that he was in the building.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1632912031882805250
>This is crazy. The public was misled.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633000192558628864
WTF is Elon doing?!

[Anonymous No.15255920]

>>15255917
he sees a R extremist (relatively speaking) in office in two years and wants to build up gbp

[Anonymous No.15255921]

>>15255785
A picture is worth a thousand words

[Anonymous No.15255923]

https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1633148572714631168

Reminder Relativity Space Launch tomorrow

[Anonymous No.15255924]

>>15255917
Is he not telling the truth?

[Anonymous No.15255929]

>>15255917
Elon is hitler

[Anonymous No.15255932]

>>15255917
he knows there's a 0% chance dems are still in power in 2024

[Anonymous No.15255936]

>>15255920
>the Dems will ever lose another election
They're fortified now chud, enjoy Spacex getting nationalised

[Anonymous No.15255937]

>>15255917
Plenty of lefties were screeching that the cops were being complicit on day one. The defunders would have no qualms about prosecuting those cops. Horseshoe theory right once again..

[Anonymous No.15255939]

>>15255929
more like Henry Ford

[Anonymous No.15255940]

>>15255932

[Anonymous No.15255944]

>>15255940
just wait until they pull out the Kamala/Buttigieg ticket and even Kanye could beat them to the whitehouse

[Anonymous No.15255946]

>>15255923
Starship mogged again

[Anonymous No.15255950]

>>15255917
I keep forgetting that there are vast swathes of the public who didn't already know this three years ago and are only now catching on.

[Anonymous No.15255954]

>>15255944
lmfao kamala would win easily

[Anonymous No.15255955]

>>15255944
But what if they run the 1.91m Newchad?

[Anonymous No.15255960]

>>15255944
How long did the PRI rule in Mexico? That's the Democrats lock now. They could run Fetterman for POTUS.

[Anonymous No.15255963]

>>15255960
Isn't he dead?

[Anonymous No.15255966]

What's with all the foreign demoralization faggots in /sfg/ today? Get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.15255968]

>>15255960
That would be based, not much worse from the current half-asleep half-dead geezer ghey roll around

[Anonymous No.15255969]

>>15255963
>>15255960
Fetterman is probably on life support. AFAIK, his family moved to Canada.

[Anonymous No.15255974]

>>15255969
Canadian healthcare? Bold choice.

[Anonymous No.15255979]

>>15255966
>foreign demoralization faggots
LMAO the only one who cares about us politics and posts frequently and extensively about it in the spaceflight thread is burgers.

[Anonymous No.15255983]

>>15255966
>foreign demoralization
/k/atamites get out! raus!

[Anonymous No.15255987]

>>15255979
Foreign, domestic, who gives a shit? Get the fuck out you disgusting miserable wretches. Go focus on doing something positive about your own ruined lives instead of trying to make other people miserable for once.

[Anonymous No.15255999]

>>15255939
reminder that Henry Ford didn't actually write this but had someone write it.

[Anonymous No.15256006]

>>15255999
ok? still a nazi

[Anonymous No.15256010]

>>15256006
just like Von Braun and Kennedy

[Anonymous No.15256013]

>>15255987
Boohoo nigger

[Anonymous No.15256015]

>>15256013
Nice ESL, Chang.

[Anonymous No.15256016]

Elon in a livestream in 5 minutes

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633177967210930178

[Anonymous No.15256020]

>>15256010
>ywn hear WvB and JFK private chats about Uncle Adi

[Anonymous No.15256022]

>>15256020
>WvB and JFK private chats about Uncle Adi
source?

[Anonymous No.15256024]

>>15255865
How long will it take star ship to be fully tacked?

[Anonymous No.15256026]

>>15256022
It just stands to reason anon

[Anonymous No.15256031]

>>15256024
less than 10h?

[Anonymous No.15256039]

>In the past hour, Elon Musk has retweeted three pieces of pro-Jan 6th conspiracy theory propaganda.
>He's gone full MAGA.
https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1633174765677494272
lmao

[Anonymous No.15256042]

Elon Could've built his own ChatGPT instead of buying twitter

[Anonymous No.15256046]

>>15255963
That was a hoax but he's weirdly incognito right now while there's a hoax about his demise on

[Anonymous No.15256047]

>>15256042
he literally started OpenAI

[Anonymous No.15256052]

>>15256042
he is doing that and going to do it on twitter

[Anonymous No.15256056]

It's time to be honest and accept the truth. The starship experiment is a failure. All the momentum is dead in the water. A skeleton crew is just picking up the pieces as we speak. Elon has moved on to bigger and "better" things. Would you waste time on twitter politics if your company was building the biggest rocket the world has ever seen? The obvious answer is no. He knows it's over and he has given up.

[Anonymous No.15256057]

>>15256016
How do I even watch this? Is there a youtube link?

[Anonymous No.15256059]

>>15256039
Amazing how you implicitly presume that the phrase "conspiracy theory" is supposed to immediately imply and confer the idea that whatever you're talking about is not true.

[Anonymous No.15256060]

>>15256057
>>15256016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcgHK_fXRo

[Anonymous No.15256064]

>>15256060
thanks

[Anonymous No.15256065]

>>15255917
>>15255920
>>15255924
>>15255929
>>15255932
>>15255936
>>15255937
>>15255939
>>15255940
>>15255944
>>15255946
>>15255950
>>15255954
>>15255955
>>15255960
>>15255963
>>15255966
>>15255968
>>15255969
>>15255974
>>15255979
>>15255983
>>15255987
>>15255999
>>15256006
>>15256010
>>15256013
>>15256015
>>15256016
>>15256020
>>15256022
>>15256039
>>15256042
>>15256046
>>15256047
>>15256052
>>15256059
This post is off-topic

[Anonymous No.15256071]

>>15256065
nice post man

[Anonymous No.15256073]

>>15256060
>Together #Russia Space #Roscosmos we can conquer Venus planet in few years by manned expeditions! Elon, do it. By united science, we can do the miracle. #SpaceX needs of Russian Aerospace Forces!

[Anonymous No.15256076]

>>15256065
you got me!
ha ha

[Anonymous No.15256077]

>15256065
>mass replying like this is a /b/ thread

[Anonymous No.15256079]

>>15255732

[Anonymous No.15256083]

>>15255776
It looks like Amazon will have to buy out ULA if their constellation is ever going to become reality.

[Anonymous No.15256088]

>>15255801
but honolable ancesstols...

[Anonymous No.15256090]

>>15256065

[Anonymous No.15256097]

>>15255808
nice tic-tac
>>15255823
Look ma, I reused something!
>>15255865
No way can it keep up with a 700 day launch cadence.

[Anonymous No.15256098]

wow i can't believe the media is lying, what a shocking turn of events

[Anonymous No.15256105]

>>15255812
It's not really about incompetence. It's about spending decades on a glorified sounding rocket instead of orbital rockets.

[Anonymous No.15256110]

https://twitter.com/SpaceForceDoD/status/1633160333950074880

[Anonymous No.15256111]

>>15256105
Then what do you call this, muskrat?

[Anonymous No.15256114]

>>15256110

[Anonymous No.15256115]

>>15256111
that's a water tower you schizo

[Anonymous No.15256117]

>>15256060

talking about starlink now

[Anonymous No.15256122]

>>15255785
Suddenly I have hope of dearMoon happening first again lmao

[Anonymous No.15256123]

>we are getting ready for the first launch

[Anonymous No.15256125]

Hopefully in the next month or so starship attempt. It's over

[Anonymous No.15256126]

>First attempt in the next month or so hopefully
>70% of reaching orbit
>80% of reaching orbit this year (with any starship launch)
> a couple of years to reach full and rapid reusability

[Anonymous No.15256129]

>not even 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.15256130]

>>15256129
2 weeks in elon time

[Anonymous No.15256131]

>>15256129
Next month or so -> two months.

[Anonymous No.15256136]

>>15256131
>Next month or so
He said in the next month or so. learn english

[Anonymous No.15256137]

>>15256122
its talking about moon landing. artemis 2 and dearmoon are just flybys.

[Anonymous No.15256138]

>ITS THE FAA GUYS!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.15256141]

it's over elon is ableist
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/11kzn5v/elon_musk_firing_a_disabled_employee_and_then/

[Anonymous No.15256144]

>>15256141
Fuck off, anon

[Anonymous No.15256145]

>>15256136
When is it ever the earlier bound of the estimate.

[Anonymous No.15256146]

[Anonymous No.15256148]

>>15256137
and I was talking about dearmoon beating artemis 2

[Anonymous No.15256149]

>>15256111
A desperate plea for attention.

[Anonymous No.15256160]

>>15256148
meh i think dearmoon will be held back until artemis 2 happens so the government doesnt look as bad

[Anonymous No.15256161]

>>15256160
You have no idea what the government cares about. Stop being retarded and posting it.

[Anonymous No.15256165]

s24 is being prepared for final stacking and it looks like they'll be adding the heat tiles too

[Anonymous No.15256167]

>>15256165
No way I thought it would fly without tiles nigga

[Anonymous No.15256169]

>>15256167
nobody said anything like that

[Anonymous No.15256171]

>>15256111
>this picture is 3 years old

[Anonymous No.15256173]

>>15256138
it is

[Anonymous No.15256184]

>>15255803
Orion requires quite a few months is inspection to remove parts and install them in the next Orion this won't happen in future Artemis but was originally thought to save development time

[Anonymous No.15256192]

>Elon Musk at a Morgan Stanley conference says again that Starship's first full-stack test launch from Texas will happen "hopefully in the next month or so, we'll have our first attempt." Adds "80 percent chance of reaching orbit this year"
it's over

[Anonymous No.15256199]

>>15256192
At this rate only 1 starship launch this year

[Anonymous No.15256202]

>>15256192
reaching orbit, sure, but only a 20% chance of coming back

[Anonymous No.15256204]

>>15256199
>SLS slow launch rate due to horrible design
WE ARE GOING
>Starship slow launch rate due to FAA
IT'S OVER

[Anonymous No.15256210]

>>15256204
the FAA has nothing to do with starship launch delays

[Anonymous No.15256232]

Where is my history essay Elon?

[Anonymous No.15256233]

>>15256199
If Trump wins again, maybe then.

[Anonymous No.15256241]

>>15256192
>orbital starship NET august
fuck this im out

[Anonymous No.15256249]

>>15256210
it literally has everything to do with it

[Anonymous No.15256269]

[Anonymous No.15256276]

>>15256269
emergency suicide hood

[Anonymous No.15256277]

>>15255390
Welp I looked at at several pumped storage plants around the world and it seems like the reservoirs are generally lined with concrete. Clay will just not do.

[Anonymous No.15256282]

>>15256249
muh FAA boogeyman
spacex is just oldspace now, doing 10x checks on everything because test failures are bad for business

[Anonymous No.15256283]

is solar the final solution to co2?

[Anonymous No.15256287]

>>15256283
Nuclear.

[Anonymous No.15256291]

>>15255673
If the shuttle was never cancelled, China would have a copy on the drawing board right now

[Anonymous No.15256302]

>>15256283
All climate change discourse is tainted by anthropocentric biases which are the beliefs that 1) there is a natural equilibrium to the earth system and 2) that state is a comfortable climate for humans. Obviously neither of these things are true, so the only real "solution" is geoengineering.

[Anonymous No.15256338]

>>15255017
ULA got in trouble with congress with the original chart. Expendable launch vehicles go away and propellant depots appeared. Some people in congress did not like that.

[Anonymous No.15256342]

>>15256302
Removing the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.15256343]

>>15256302
We are already doing geoengineering. To warm this place up.

[Anonymous No.15256368]

what consequences will this have on LNG powered rockets like New Glenn?

[Anonymous No.15256380]

>>15255144
>>15255165
>tfw both

[Anonymous No.15256381]

>>15256343
>If you're cold, they're cold
>Turn up the thermostat

[Anonymous No.15256404]

>>15256368
nothing at all

[Anonymous No.15256413]

>>15256282
guess who is enforcing those "checks"
Yup, it's Biden and the F-A-A moron

[Anonymous No.15256421]

https://youtu.be/9v4Z9jxvJvY
let's play ksp2!

[Anonymous No.15256430]

>>15256421
>hey its scott fagley here

[Anonymous No.15256433]

>>15256430
You are calling a family man a fag. How many kids do you have? Should we be worried about your fagginess?

[Anonymous No.15256435]

New battery for inteplantary and deep space just dropped https://www.space.com/nasa-venus-lander-mission-battery-technology

>According to NASA (opens in new tab), ATB recently developed a 17-cell battery prototype that was able to limit the battery-draining internal reactions to significantly extend the battery's life.

>This enabled ATB's battery to discharge between 19 volts and 25 volts for 118 days, almost twice LLISSE's operational power requirements, before corrosion reached the positive lead on the battery.

[Anonymous No.15256439]

Wasn’t there supposed to be a hypersonic missile test from the cape this week?

[Anonymous No.15256441]

Every time I see Invader Zim threads on /co/ I feel enraged as I remember FTL space travel won't exist during my lifetime and I'll never be able to fuck alien women.

[Anonymous No.15256448]

>>15256433
calm down scott

[Anonymous No.15256449]

>>15256441
Go back there you disgusting coomer

[Anonymous No.15256456]

>>15256441
Based and seedpilled

[Anonymous No.15256463]

>>15256433
Wow, kinda homophobic thing to say don't you think?

[Anonymous No.15256470]

>>15256435
>revolutionaryTM* Battery product # 377914 that goes absolutely nowhere

[Anonymous No.15256471]

>>15256463
Spare me you're wokeism

[Anonymous No.15256478]

>>15256283
Where can I buy the Solar System for $0.69?

[Anonymous No.15256479]

>>15256471
that's rich coming from you xD

[Anonymous No.15256480]

>>15256439
https://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2023/03/06/dod-scrubs-hypersonic-missile-test-at-cape-canaveral-space-force-station/69976353007/
Scrubbed yesterday due to undisclosed reasons

[Anonymous No.15256497]

>>15256478
it's only gonna give you a watt though

[Anonymous No.15256522]

Staging

>>15256521
>>15256521
>>15256521
>>15256521

[Anonymous No.15256523]

>>15256497
Well at that price I can buy the Solar system for three hundred septillion, seems like a good deal

[Anonymous No.15256542]

>>15255144
Not quite, but I do have probably 200 tabs open right now.

[Anonymous No.15256549]

>>15256522
finally we stage on paige 10

[Anonymous No.15256565]

>>15256478
alibaba

[Anonymous No.15256756]

This is what real transparency looks like

[Anonymous No.15256804]

>>15254978

[Anonymous No.15256872]

>>15254969
>$1.2Tn
>to put 600 people on Mars
That sounds retarded. But sounds realistic if you price in the corruption.

[Anonymous No.15256875]

>>15255348
>time traveler from a year ago
>said Astra would go bankrupt before end of 2023
Kek