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For the past 2,000 years, Sea Level rise was unchangingly linear, increasing between 1 & 1.5 mm/yr., and CO2 was stable and flat at 280 parts per million (ppm) for the same period, until 1880. The great Ice Sheets from the last Ice Age had already melted.

Additional Sea Level change was slow, mostly due to thermal expansion of oceans and edge ice melt from Greenland and Antarctica. As Earth periodically warmed and cooled, remaining mountain glaciers either grew or added some melt water to the oceans.

In 1880, CO2 finally surges up, achieving a huge 38% increase during the past 135 years, likely due to industrial and agricultural development.

Most seacoasts either rise or fall, due to geological activity. Some do neither, and are “tectonically inert.” Actual Sea Levels, and any changes, are measured from them, such as Portland, Maine, USA, and Wismar, Germany, where Sea Level continues its methodical, steady, minimal, and linear rise. In the timeframe that CO2 massively increases, there is no sign whatsoever that Sea Level reacts likewise.

Over 1000 of the world’s Tide Gauges show pure linear trends, along with minimal (mostly thermal expansion and glacial melt) increases. There are none showing any acceleration of Sea Level rise rate in tectonically inert areas.

When a massive 38% CO2 increase doesn’t even begin to accelerate Sea Level rise, how would we ever attempt to measure any Sea Level fall resulting from an almost impossible to achieve 1% CO2 reduction. That Sea-Level drop would be undetectable, and spending $€¥Billions to achieve it, is an indefensible diversion from real problems.

There is no measurable linkage between Sea Level and CO2!

>> No.15252626

>>15252450
So you're saying that even if we managed to reach net 0 and even if we go beyond that and get the atmosphere back to 280 ppm CO2 we will still experience sea level rise?

>> No.15252899

>>15252626
Coastal sea level rise/fall is not universal. It depends on location. Some places get consistent sea level rises year to year, others see consistent sea level fall.

>> No.15253394

>>15252626
There Is No Link Between CO2 & Sea Level

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>>15252450
Agreed

Also, breaking news: The climate has always been changing. The variables are how/where/to what extent/at what speed

Man-made emissions are part of the equation but are by no means the primary mechanism. There are much bigger factors at play - factors & cycles that are poorly understood on their own; and even less understood when considering interplay between them

Imagine the hubris to think that civilization's emissions over the last ~100-150 years has a bigger impact than say... variation in activity of things like... the sun. You know - that big thing that all the planets go around, that accounts for 99.8% of all mass in the solar system - that thing.

Pollution is bad. Emissions should be reduced. But that doesn't mean that climate change is primarily caused by man and it does not mean that non-combustion/non-fossil-fuel sources of energy area always cleaner - or even practical - you have to critically think enough about these things, especially when production, maintenance, and use of these green/renewable technologies require a ton more combustion/petroleum inputs than most seem to realize or care to admit. Do you know how many barrels of oil it takes to make & ship a new car? If you don't need a new car but sell your gas vehicle to buy an electric one simply to try to be greener - you are unnecessarily starting out with all that extra emission debt + then likely plugging it in to a power grid that is mainly powered by coal. We need a bunch of changes and bunch of different solutions/options working together - we can't just ignore reality in the process, we need to take time to figure out what is best and approach things strategically

We must get out of the close-minded, religious thinking in science - in all areas, but especially in this one. Arguing with close-minded people about climate change feels just like arguing with anti-vaxxers most of the time. You are worsening the problem you care about most by not thinking it through enough.

>> No.15253838

>>15252450
>For the past 2,000 years...
>shows a graph of 160 years
thread dismissed

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