/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15245490]

Why do so many mathematicians believe in God?

[Anonymous No.15245504]

>>15245490
What is God other than a bunch of rules you have to follow? Religion is man made mumbo jumbo but the Creator exists.

[Anonymous No.15245506]

Because you can prove God's existence via a complex mathematical proof.

[Anonymous No.15245515]

>>15245504
I am retarded so I probably don't understand. How is God a "bunch of rules"

[Cult of Passion No.15245518]

>>15245515
He has issues with his parents, as all people who "I dont like rules or people telling me what to do, myan." are.

[Anonymous No.15245522]

>>15245490
That's Bach.

[Anonymous No.15245559]

>>15245504
>What is God other than a bunch
You lack cosmogonic explanatory power if you take on a atheistic/naturalist belief/philosophical system, ie, you can't explain the boot up. Information systems in the form of virtual realities can't boot themselves up, as this would require that the universe existed before it's own beginning, which is illogical. And the causation/processing can't come from INSIDE the VR. You need agency and processing OUTSIDE of the virtual spactime, ie NON_LOCAL/EXTERNAL CAUSATION. The universe can't account for it's own beginning, obviously. So atheistic naturalism is just a silly illogical belief system. see no 1 in pic rel

[Anonymous No.15245584]

>>15245522
how is he related to maths?

[Anonymous No.15245587]

>>15245490


> his god doesnt speak maths to him

[Cult of Passion No.15245615]

>>15245584
>t.Modern Mathematician

https://youtu.be/u_TBxzn-ci8

[Anonymous No.15245619]

>>15245490
God is a natural conclusion when making full use of abstract thinking capacity. It's also fairly intuitive for those with poor abstract thinking development. Midwits get confused when they're hung up on cramming facts and figures into their heads.

[Anonymous No.15245650]

>>15245490
Because physics has proved everything we think we know and percieved might not actually be true reality. The only truth we can percieve is through math.

[BMV !eHg13QwJnI No.15245669]

Balls.
Big balls.

[Anonymous No.15245671]

>>15245504
Wtf did you just say about my Jewish bootleg love bomb mongrel congregation? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the polyglot evangelists.

[Anonymous No.15245689]

>>15245587
Oh my various Gods!
https://youtu.be/MuQG532y4N8

[Anonymous No.15245797]

>>15245619
It's unnatural. You're inserting a being with magical powers where there is no evidence of such a thing existing. No scientific theories talk about the universe being created from nothing, that part is purposefully left out of theories because there's basically infinite possibilities of what happened before the big bang and to say "i know this very specific thing happened but I can't show you because i can't test for it in any way" is unscientific and illogical

[Anonymous No.15245806]

I don't know, why do so many dirt farmers? Probably because both want to live in an ideal fantasyworld.

[Cult of Passion No.15245811]

>>15245797
>No scientific theories talk about the universe being created from nothing
THATS LITERALLY THE BIG BANG!!

I was going to write a thought through post but no....that would be utter waste of time as you arent smart/knowledgable/aware enough to differentiate reality. You know nothing of science or theology, ZERO.

ZERO. Go back.

[Anonymous No.15245813]

>>15245797
>magical powers
you just proved his point better than any reply he could give

[Anonymous No.15245814]

>>15245650
>The only truth we can percieve is through math
Why? Because we can't see microscopic particles visually? The technology to uncover exactly what happens at those small scales will be developed, we've come so far in just a few hundred years and we have millions if not billions of years ahead of us. I don't know the future but I'm going to say that we will certainly be able to gather empirical evidence of exactly how the universe operates to the most fundamental level. Especially if space is quantized because at least that puts a lower bound on how deep we need to go. Math is only an estimate of reality

[Anonymous No.15245816]

>>15245490
Schizophrenics work alone.
Schizophrenics believe in god.

[Anonymous No.15245822]

>>15245811
>THATS LITERALLY THE BIG BANG!!
The big bang started as a primordial atom of extreme density, millions of times smaller than a single atom. The theory makes no claims whatsoever about where that atom came from or what happened before that point or if there was a before or anything like that. Religious folk have created a whole fantasy land before that point and we can't prove or test any of it

[Anonymous No.15245824]

>>15245813
That makes no sense. Are you saying magic is real or something?

[Anonymous No.15245828]

>>15245584
a lot of his fugues are continuous transformations

[Cult of Passion No.15245834]

>>15245822
Shut up, youre retarded.

Everything you know is wrong.

Deal with it.

Leave go back.

[Anonymous No.15245840]

>>15245834
The theories really don't talk about anything being created, probably because of the law that you can't create something from nothing. So it was just a singularity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity

[Cult of Passion No.15245988]

>>15245840
>So it was just a singularity
You're so scientifically illiterate I'd rather try to teach math to monkeys. Go back to /b/ or /gif/, its obvious youre a tourist.
>wikipedia
Case in point...

I was correct the first time, you jackass;

EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG.

GO BACK TO /gif/.

[Anonymous No.15246016]

>>15245490
God = Reality = Universe = Math
Mathematicians are trying to understand/decipher Math = Universe = Reality = God

Simple as. This goes for all scientists dedicated to the cause, and I don't mean assfaggots getting into math for 300k starting meme, or as just a tool for a political/economical end, but actual people trying to understand the reality around them. It's just most pronounced with mathematicians because math is the closest thing we got to building blocks of reality.

The water you drank yesterday is God. The shit you took today is God. The fortune/misfortune you will experience tomorrow is God. The chain of causality since the beginning of the universe that has led to you existing and reading this retarded post on this retarded board in this very moment is God. The poor nigger in some African shithole dying of starvation is God. The woman being raped and choked to death in some fucked up snuff film is God. The guy climbing to the top of a mountain he has been trying to conquer his entire life and finally experiencing the greatest joy he ever felt is God.

Now if you'd excuse me, I gotta take a shit and experience God.

[Anonymous No.15246023]

>>15245490
Wrong question. The real question is why did they believe in the wrong god?

[Anonymous No.15246032]

>>15245490
have you ever seen the absurdity of the laws of the universe that all the mumbo jumbo of physics can't explain any?
the mathematical universe is even more absurd. materalists are just crypto god worshippers who think matter and energy are god.
all those atheist nonsenses are just brainwashing by the education systems. people who really have a brain know better. science cannot answer the god questions. of course, you can bash religions but that's a very low bar and that doesn't refute anything about the god hypothesis. it just means that the god made up by those religions are dumb. but the one true god out there has never been know to exist or not, has never been seen, and will never be refuted.

[Anonymous No.15246043]

Pascal's wager

[Anonymous No.15246047]

>>15245619
>>15245797
>midwits hung up
>proceeds to hung up

[Anonymous No.15246049]

>>15246043
Dumbest shit ever, and I'm saying this as a religious person who believes in God. It's like the atheists version of "I believe in God", not because I believe, but because chances are non believing is worse.

[Anonymous No.15246050]

>>15245490
Because they believe in mathematics.

[Anonymous No.15246062]

>>15245504
Retard there is no conscious or unconscious hand that moves everything according to a will
God is maths, that's it
If you're one with god you understand it's nowhere near simply chaos vs order, but there's a lot of calculations going on you can either follow or ignore

[Anonymous No.15246063]

>>15245797
Who said God is a "being" with "magical powers" lol. This is not some fantasy D&D game, God is not a level 36 Paladin.

[Anonymous No.15246111]

>>15246049
You do you

[Anonymous No.15246184]

>>15245506
>via a complex mathematical proof.

[Anonymous No.15246193]

>>15246184
The problem with this approach is that those axioms don't hold in the real world. He could have saved space by simply making "God exists" an axiom.

[Anonymous No.15246776]

Because the cross that Christ was crucified on represents the macrocosm and the 10 spheres of the sephiroth.10 represents all combinations of numbers. Moreover man or christ is the duality: 2 hands, 2 feet, 2 eyes etc.. mediated by the triad - the circumcision of the brain, heart and phallus. The duality mediated by the triad which is resolved by the tetrad and duality presupposes unity or the macrocosm also has foundation in morality. It's called nichomachaen ethics of Aristotle look it up. The triad is the equilateral triangle and the square and circle. All occult concepts adopted by the true followers of Christ throughout the ages.

[bodhi No.15246806]

>>15246063
God here, I am a level 42 Paladin

[Anonymous No.15246916]

>>15246032
you never gave any explanation on why this "one true god" is meant to exist

[VIRUSES DON'T EXIST No.15247570]

>>15245490
how do you know if they really believe? any proof?

[Anonymous No.15247588]

>>15245490
Mathematics>Platonism>God

[Anonymous No.15247890]

This is seriously the lowest iq board, ffs. Y'all seem 12 yo at most.

[Anonymous No.15247909]

>>15245797
God isn't a being among many, but the ground of being itself. Existence is derived as a property through participation in God's existence.

>>15246016
The parts of the universe are not God, but they exist by participating in the order sustained by God. You were pretty close though.

[Anonymous No.15247917]

>>15246776
Gnostics are stupid. If you're appealing to Christ, he himself said that everything was taught in public, not in secret. Paul also said the same thing. There are no secret teachings, and Kabala is just the Gnostic heresy again.

[Anonymous No.15248040]

>>15245490
The reason is quite literally a numbers game. Probability dictates that the tremendous improbability of life let alone everything else does not lend to nothing randomly exploding into us. Thus there has to be an eternal something. So some cope by saying the eternal something is the universe itself that just resets. Which is silly so many will believe in God.
>>15245828
When /mu/ and /sci/ combine you get Bach.

[Anonymous No.15248051]

>>15245490
Mathematics is a metaphysical discipline and can be said to constitute the study of God's properties.

[Cult of Passion No.15248085]

>>15248040
>Which is silly so many will believe in God.
>literally the most intelligent people ib history

lmao idiots *munch-munch* dont they know how stupid they are *munch-munch*...

[Anonymous No.15248578]

>>15245490
A sufficiently advanced AI would be indistinguishable from God.

>>15245506
This

https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/the-case-for-the-physical-existence-of-god/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA

[Anonymous No.15248602]

>>15245490
Because math and theology both exist in the inconsequential realm of the theoretical. Both are decadent arts of masturbation.

[Anonymous No.15248720]

>>15247890
>This is seriously the lowest iq board, ffs.
Yeah.

/lit/ is smarter than /sci/, but nobody who posts there reads or writes anything, despite the board being about literature. All boards are full of pseuds and hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.15249352]

>>15248720
one day son you'll figure out that some people can read study and research enough to figure out you are reading their mind and don't need to read any more

[Anonymous No.15249702]

Maybe you should compare the how religious mathematicians were compared to the society they came from rather than our current society.

[Anonymous No.15249710]

Dunno, but
>universe can't create itself, therefore christian god did it in a week.

[Anonymous No.15249715]

>>15249710
Waz actually 6 days
Then he took a rest

[Anonymous No.15249720]

>>15246193
>>15246184
Gob exists, by definition.
>you can't just define something into existence!
Typically, no. But God is a unuque category of being where existence-by-definition does apply. After all, He's God. And God is God.

[Anonymous No.15249724]

>>15246776
look up the dimensions of the Cross too.
>>15247917
Jesus said that to His pensecuters. He trolled them on eveny occasion.
He explained parables to His disciples in private. Though, technically He didn't give any new information, just explaining it.

[Anonymous No.15249745]

>>15249720
>god exists because god exists
Perfect logic

[Cult of Passion No.15249758]

>>15249745
Yeah, well, the Mathematical proof is (goes without saying) is waaay beyond. I did it, but explaining it to some quasi-literate poster IS asking too much.

Algorithms written by "bronze age peasants" and books written throusands of years apart are unbroken continuations of the same algorithm?

They were are hyper-savants in disguise huh?
>I dont believe you.
I post self evident proof here all the time, 90% of people literally respond back with "schizo". Your sanity has no power here...

[Anonymous No.15249759]

>>15249745

[Anonymous No.15250187]

>>15249702
>Maybe you should compare the how religious mathematicians were compared to the society they came from rather than our current society
That's a fair point, if you weren't a believer, no one was taking your research seriously back then.

[Cult of Passion No.15250190]

>>15250187
In 1,000 years they'll make a correlation to wokeism and scientists.
>Why were all scientists card carrying members of Environmentalism/Wokeism etc.

No, time is taken out of this equation as all great minds do, as good is good eternally, not temporally (moral relativity).

[Anonymous No.15250199]

>>15245490
Most of the mathematicians that you think about are really old, and so were born in a time in which believing in the baby jebus was simply the default setting.

[Anonymous No.15250362]

>>15248578
>A sufficiently advanced AI would be indistinguishable from God.
does this sound smart to you?
Can you maybe define "God" before talking gibberish?

[Anonymous No.15250379]

>>15248578
You and your anti-human cult are going to get physically removed long before your chatbots learn to do basic logic.

[Anonymous No.15250460]

>>15245490
It's the brainlet tier fags in maths who blindly believe muh Godel because they don't understand what he argued.

[Anonymous No.15250765]

>>15245490
Because they came from a context where publicly denouncing God would have fatal consequences
And this applied in western socity until only the past couple of decades. And in some cases you still can't i.e. we'll probably sooner see a jewish or mormon president than athiest.

[Anonymous No.15251311]

>>15245490
Because mathematics is entirely about making up imaginary stuff

[Anonymous No.15251315]

>>15245518
He has a point though

[Anonymous No.15251319]

>>15248720
Really takes the edge off being psued. It's like the Valhalla of power play.