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/sfg/ - Space Flight General Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:10:31 2023 No.15235434 [Reply] [Original]

Dynamic soaring edition
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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:12:06 2023 No.15235441 >>15235434 Not spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:13:23 2023 No.15235445 >>15235441 dynamic soaring with a magnetic sail is certainly spaceflight

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:18:24 2023 No.15235452 File: 98 KB, 498x1142, mag sail dynamic soaring.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235434 Based https://newatlas.com/aircraft/dynamic-soaring-speed-record-spencer-lisenby/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eFD_Wj6dhk >>15235441 Cringe

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:25:02 2023 No.15235472
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>>15235434
They should have just taken the original Orion design and mounted it on the side of a shuttle stack, no expensive redesign necessary. Ares V / SLS was a mistake

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:29:34 2023 No.15235483 File: 349 KB, 1917x1350, 51518-36-2ace82db7498c2a00d1ba342cc0f18f6-2315x1630.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] First for commercial japanese space stations

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:31:57 2023 No.15235489 >>15235472 >Ares V / SLS was a mistake Just like Shuttle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:33:39 2023 No.15235495 >>15235489 Starship is a shuttle, and will become the shuttle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:40:25 2023 No.15235506 File: 49 KB, 840x523, shuttle devil.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235495 SAITANIZATION

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 17:42:28 2023 No.15235512 >>15235506 >Does he know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:19:05 2023 No.15235612 File: 674 KB, 1543x2231, SpacesseX.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:49:57 2023 No.15235670 >>15235612 hot fuck fuck rocket pussy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:53:47 2023 No.15235678 >>15235495 I believe that’s the intention it’s going to shuttle from the moon and a refueling point a bunch of times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 18:56:16 2023 No.15235684 File: 176 KB, 1000x667, nelson_sls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235434 Must be the worst OP in recent memory

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:00:02 2023 No.15235690 >berger predicting that the chinese may land on the moon before nasa https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1630209008098263045 if china is found to likely land before nasa, what would the US do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:01:35 2023 No.15235693 >>15235690 >if china is found to likely land before nasa, what would the US do? Blame the other Party, then slash NASA's budget to teach them a lesson.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:02:04 2023 No.15235695 >>15235483 >concept art wow it 's fucking nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:03:12 2023 No.15235701 >>15235690 >what would the US do Announce their achievements in diversity, equity and inclusivity fields.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:04:11 2023 No.15235705 >>15235690 celebrate persons of color landing on the moon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:04:27 2023 No.15235706 >>15235690 With what fucking rocket No seriously what are they going to magically shit out before 2025 that would get boots on the moon?

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:04:46 2023 No.15235707

>>15235684
>>15235441
>>15235434
>>he doesn't understand that by using plasma magnetic sail dynamic soaring, a spacecraft could reach 2% in two years time without using any propellant.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frspt.2022.1017442/full#B14

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:06:17 2023 No.15235710 It's official. Plasma sail CHADS have colonized /sfg/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:06:48 2023 No.15235713 >>15235690 I wouldn't worry, I'm sure the US already filmed the landing and might have finished post production too

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:07:56 2023 No.15235717 >>15235483 Looks like some kind of commercial space station

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:08:06 2023 No.15235718

>>15235434
>No wind
What?!
The moving wind will have lower pressure. You would need a very high speed wind to create a wind shear layer like the diagram.
In the conditions of the diagram there would be a updraft from the near vertical side. The wind would rotate around it.
Also, this is not space flight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:10:24 2023 No.15235724 >>15235718 I think OP was talking about solar wind, like when you launch off a space ridge and begin dynamic soaring through space

>>	COPE Mon Feb 27 19:11:32 2023 No.15235728 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eFD_Wj6dhk SEETHE

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:12:13 2023 No.15235730 >>15235684 thats rich coming from someone posting a picture of nelson and the sls

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:12:16 2023 No.15235732

>>15235690
>>15235706
There is seriously no way in HELL china beats the US. I believe the American timetables are very optimistic as-is and are pretty much guaranteed to slip—including Artemis II and III. But time tables pretty much never move up, only back. And China’s time tables are pretty damn far already and that’s without hardware (which, once built, will likely have problems and cause the dates to move back even further)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:16:39 2023 No.15235743 >>15235612 Cute :)

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:17:36 2023 No.15235746
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>>15235690
They won't be able to go from tooling around in LEO to a lunar landing. They'd have to build up capability just the way the pre-Apollo 11 flights did and that build up will be noticed and spur some urgency in NASA

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:18:26 2023 No.15235749 >>15235707 Greason does not believe in his own ideas, otherwise he would make it his mission to see them developed >>15235730 Greatest Nasa admin in history next to the most powerful rocket ever flown. Yea i think my post is better

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:19:35 2023 No.15235752 >>15235718 imagine the wind is the solar wind and the plane is a spacecraft utilizing a magnetic sail also this is a phenomenon that has been observed and utilized in rc planes for like 20-30 years

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:19:49 2023 No.15235754 >>15235690 Berger saying NASA timelines will slip (but not Chinky Winky's). Yeah ok Berger, you fuckin commie red scum faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:20:49 2023 No.15235757 >>15235749 >the most powerful rocket ever flown good bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:21:46 2023 No.15235760 Does SLS block 2 got any chance to happen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:22:18 2023 No.15235763 >>15235754 His predictions about China might be guesswork, but there is a 100% chance of NASA deadlines being way too optimistic. Just look at the JWST. We were supposed to get it 15 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:24:10 2023 No.15235769 >>15235749 >the Nasa admin that most closely resembles a walking corpse next to the most expensive piece of shit rocket ever flown fixed

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:24:53 2023 No.15235774 >>15235754 i think he's assuming that the chinese are further ahead than they're saying

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:26:08 2023 No.15235778 File: 29 KB, 616x249, 001146.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1630254417365663747

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:26:20 2023 No.15235779

>>15235763
Timelines should be optimistic because if you say we'll have boots on the Moon by 2030 it will never fucking happen. Set unrealistic dates to light a fire under people's asses, then at least you'll only be 5 years late. Set it too far in the future and everyone drags their feet. no urgency. china is starting to realize this

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:26:24 2023 No.15235780
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>>15235749
>Greason does not believe in his own ideas, otherwise he would make it his mission to see them developed
What the fuck do you expect Greason to do except write papers and talk to relevant people? Take and hold hostages until someone builds and launches a plasma magnet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:27:09 2023 No.15235784 >>15235774 is there any actual evidence of this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:27:29 2023 No.15235785 >>15235774 They have no rocket lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:28:29 2023 No.15235790 >>15235778 F9 was 3 mil per

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:28:45 2023 No.15235793 >>15235769 very rude to say

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:29:13 2023 No.15235796 >>15235778 Swiss work hours don’t come cheap

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:29:57 2023 No.15235797 File: 129 KB, 469x626, vengeful_god.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235780 >Take and hold hostages until someone builds and launches a plasma magnet? the Zubrin approach...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:36:32 2023 No.15235815 >>15235797 Ares V was a worst Shuttle derived HLV

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:37:49 2023 No.15235821 back in 64/65, were there any political efforts to stop the apollo program?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:39:03 2023 No.15235827 >>15235815 Ok buddy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:40:55 2023 No.15235831 >>15235821 well this is from 1970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:43:13 2023 No.15235836 >>15235821 this from 1967 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:53:53 2023 No.15235876 >>15235831 pretty good >>15235836 pretty bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 19:53:55 2023 No.15235877 >>15235815 Shuttle and anything shuttle-derived is equally retarded and belongs on the cutting room floor

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:06:30 2023 No.15235915

>>15235821
https://news.gallup.com/poll/3688/Despite-Recent-High-Visibility-Americans-Enthusiastic-About-Spend.aspx
>Gallup Poll data from the 1960s, however, show that Americans were also generally ambivalent about the money then being spent on the effort to send a man to the moon. For example, in a poll conducted in 1964, only 26% agreed that the U.S. "should go all out to beat the Russians in a manned flight to the moon."

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:12:09 2023 No.15235933 >>15235836 love this song

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:12:32 2023 No.15235935 >>15235821 Yes, the "Why spend money on this science/military/exploration thing when we have people hungry" is a very old argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:18:26 2023 No.15235950 File: 2.75 MB, 960x540, 1610654068337.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235877 NO U

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:20:00 2023 No.15235958 >>15235933 shit taste then. the song is mediocre and the guy glows bright communist red

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:21:48 2023 No.15235962 >>15235950 Wouldn't they have to re-engineer the external tank because it could not support payloads vertically or whatever anyway in this configuration?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:22:31 2023 No.15235964 >>15235958 he seems handsome though

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:23:44 2023 No.15235968 Bigelow Aerospace CLD

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:25:25 2023 No.15235973 >>15235958 >>15235964 >he's an actual, admitted-to glownigger kek like pottery. enjoy song entirely motivated by manipulative niggercommiefaggotry

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:30:55 2023 No.15235986 >>15235836 THAT shnozel...

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:32:49 2023 No.15235992 File: 82 KB, 800x586, CB0ED9A2-91D9-4C82-A1B9-06C2B794CE26.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] IMAGINE

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:36:05 2023 No.15235998 >>15235992 It seems like a final boss with stages

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:42:27 2023 No.15236013 File: 35 KB, 638x479, R.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235962 Yes. My question is is it because of the payload or the thrust? So would Zubrin's Ares have to be re-engineered?

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:46:44 2023 No.15236025

>>15235749
>>Greason does not believe in his own ideas
why don't you ask him if this is really the case? He promotes his ideas a lot.
>>his mission to see them developed
he's working on them in his free time, his day job's working on wireless power transmission. He's been working on setting up plasma simulations to test and demonstrate how well plasma magnet sail/Q-drive stuff can work. He's been trying to get funding for plasma magnet stuff for a while. It's hard to get funding from anywhere except NASA for plasma magnet stuff, because plasma magnets don't work in Earth's magnetosphere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:47:48 2023 No.15236028 File: 22 KB, 474x323, 1e6524bafef17e23522c2704582fedaa--neil-armstrong-space-shuttle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235441 Wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 20:56:13 2023 No.15236051 File: 46 KB, 941x497, solar-wind-soaring.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15235752 it is not clear if it's possible to generate lift necessary for soaring from the solar wind.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:00:45 2023 No.15236059
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>>15235718
>Also, this is not space flight.
This is very spaceflight

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frspt.2022.1017442/full

>Take highest drag propulsion method possible (plasma magnet sail)
>perform dynamic soaring maneuvers with it after reaching the heliopause - in 13 months
>build up speed continuously through dynamic soaring to reach ~2% c for interstellar/SGL lens missions
>5-20% c with q-drive (modified plasma magnet drive)

As you can see this is very spaceflight and very /sfg/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:00:56 2023 No.15236061 little bit on starlink v2 don't there's really anything we didn't know https://api.starlink.com/public-files/Gen2StarlinkSatellites.pdf

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:01:35 2023 No.15236063

>>15235962
Kinda, but direct 3 played tight with The ET structural margins (and also had slightly assymetrical thrust as you can see in the webm) to reuse as much as possible the same tooling and materials, it also reused the same 4 segment boosters. It also was supposed to follow on the shuttle to avoid workforce gap and reuse the same production lines. There were some estimates it could be developped in years.

Payload wasn’t great - 60 tons range - and not better than shuttle C, but it had more room for growth and had more Payload volume capacity.

It would have been enough to simply send Orion, or multi launches moon landing or fancy post-ISS stations

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:02:37 2023 No.15236066 >>15236063 In 4 years*

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:05:18 2023 No.15236076

>>15235693
That's about what I was thinking before reading your reply.
>>15235705
Also ignore Asians as being in the category "persons of color" as is already being done in college admissions.
>>15235732
China will make mock-up art of their own moon landing within two months, just as they do with rockets.
>>15235785
They have a lot of rocket... plans.

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:12:53 2023 No.15236097
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>>15236051
Even if it isn't the plasma magnet sail itself is promising for breakthrough space propulsion 1000x better than we have now (30 days to Jupiter) and needs to be tested and see if the lab effects scale and apply in actual space environment

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:14:26 2023 No.15236101 >>15235992 Imagine the foam strikes

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:15:25 2023 No.15236103 >>15235472 Like a nuclear pulse shuttle? Heinous

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:20:33 2023 No.15236115

>>15235706
I mean, they built a module space station within like one year. It's really not out of possibility that they reassemble the lunar spacecraft in orbit using the Long March 5 rocket, and maybe the Long March 7 + Long March 3B to get smaller parts up to LEO like the lunar lander, over a one year time span or so. Especially considering how seemingly small scale their moon landing is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:21:05 2023 No.15236118 File: 102 KB, 1199x643, John Frassanito upgraded space shuttle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236101 If the main orbiter is a write off they just come back in the escape capsule

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:21:24 2023 No.15236119 Any updates on Starship orbital launch? Still two fucking weeks away from it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:22:34 2023 No.15236121 >>15236119 This site lists the latest time estimates https://pickerwheel.com/?id=VRDY2

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:24:57 2023 No.15236127 Is there a launch date prediction market?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:25:52 2023 No.15236128 >>15236127 Yes but its debut keeps getting pushed to the right

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:28:09 2023 No.15236133 File: 404 KB, 864x983, 001147.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236061

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:29:04 2023 No.15236135

>>15235749
Greason found an old NIAC paper by John Slough describing plasma magnet, and is thinking of anything he can to tack onto it for extra funding. Q Drive, dynamic soaring, anything.
The first thing that needs to happen is testing of the concept in a large vacuum chamber. Slough's tests were very promising but the scale needs to be increased. All this extreme extrapolation is just window dressing at this point.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:33:27 2023 No.15236143 what testing did they do in boca today?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:33:53 2023 No.15236145 >>15236143 testing the two weeks

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:35:19 2023 No.15236150 >>15236138 >on-orbit observations Polaris objective get?

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:36:11 2023 No.15236151

>>15236115
If we assume the scale is similar to the Apollo missions, they would really "only" need like
>three Long March 5B launches (for fuel tanks, service module and command module)
>one Long March 7 launch (Lunar Lander)
>a Long March 3B to dock with it in orbit with their current LEO spacecraft to
make it viable.

That's arguably even less demanding than what they have done the last year in regards to their space station. This is not the 60's anymore. Docking in LEO is hardly the hassle and danger it used to pose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:38:21 2023 No.15236156 >>15236143 s26 cryo test

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:53:10 2023 No.15236186

>>15236151
Hope they do it and show the world the idea of the big giant moon rocket is a farce when you can rendezvous and connect all the modules and fuel tanks you need for a lunar trip with several smaller rockets and just because NASA did it that way in the 60's doesn't mean its the best way to do it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:54:53 2023 No.15236191 >>15236143 draft for the boca chica history report, just two more chapters

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 21:56:50 2023 No.15236196

Ares I/V

>10m core instead of 8.4m for Ares V
>5 seg and then 5.5 seg for Ares I and V, >new 5.5m upper stage for Ares I instead of using 5.0m Delta IV tooling,
>use of the RS-68 instead of the RS-25 for the Ares V
>the J-2 being revived, then overhauled into the J-2X instead of using the readily-available, more-efficient RL-10.

None of these were technical necessities. All were political decisions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:03:51 2023 No.15236216 >>15235992 At first I thought those were RD-171s What the fuck were they smoking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:05:56 2023 No.15236221 I honestly wonder if India will be stuck in the same SRB-ICBM trap as the USA, Japan and France-Italy

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:09:07 2023 No.15236232 >>15235992 >>15236216 >hydromeme boosters PFFFTTTTTT

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:13:33 2023 No.15236245

>>15236216
Shuttle LRBs went into a lot of proposals, pressure fed Hypergolic, Hydrolox, then eventually settling on kerolox by the 90s

Actually the later proposals until 2003 would use RD-180.
It gets funnier when you remember there were tons of proposals until Columbia to have the Russians build parts of the SSME to get it close to RD-0120 performances, as well as copying Buran’s OMS while also using Russian parts

There’s a timeline out there where the shuttle keeps flying but becomes dependent on Russian engines Kek

But realistically you aren’t getting NASA to drop the SRBs on the shuttle because of Orrin hatch and Thiokol

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:31:33 2023 No.15236284 I hate nsf every day

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:34:31 2023 No.15236295 >>15236284 lol, someone can't afford an L2 subscription it seems

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:36:11 2023 No.15236303 >>15236295 STOP USING MEME ORBITS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:37:15 2023 No.15236307 >>15236295 wat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:38:42 2023 No.15236309 >>15236284 I just go on nsf for the EM Drive action

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:39:52 2023 No.15236313 File: 68 KB, 652x794, bezos het orbit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236309 Based schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:40:13 2023 No.15236317 >>15235434 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eFD_Wj6dhk reminder that the fastest RC planes are gliders utilizing dynamic soaring

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:42:18 2023 No.15236320

Does anyone have autistic knowledge of ion thrusters? What’s the big deal with SX’s argon hall thruster. I saw someone on twitter say it saves them $50 mil (I’m assuming that’s per flight) and i’ve seen anons say argon has never been tried but I’m not sure in what sense that is.
Is this a big deal? How big are we talking

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:45:38 2023 No.15236330 >>15236320 this is on the same tier as using liquid oxygen instead of nitric acid

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:48:30 2023 No.15236337

>>15236320
Argon is cheap as shit. And with cheap I mean literally hundreds of time cheaper than the more conventional nobel gases used like Xenon and Krypton (like they used previously). Almost 1% of our atmosphere is made out of it lmao.

Argon hall thruster, while a lot less efficient and demands more power + storage, is so much cheaper the performance drop is well worth it for starlink. What would have been literally billions of fuel costs in the next decade is now in the tens of millions. Especially if they start refining their own argon as a byproduct for getting their own LOX.

We probably won't see argon hall thrusters outside constellations though. The performance is simply too shit. Good enough to keep a satellite in LEO for a few years at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:49:09 2023 No.15236338 >>15236320 https://twitter.com/lougrims/status/1630302082526769153

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:51:15 2023 No.15236346 Argon is used commonly in the industry and is easy to get. Once again SpaceX BTFOing oldspace. No wonder they can't compete

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:53:29 2023 No.15236353
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>>15236337
>The global production of xenon is approximately 53,000 kg a year, such that any mission requiring several tons of propellant would undoubtedly have a large impact on the cost and supply of xenon [17]. Such a quantity of propellant is not absurd, with some Mars-Earth mission analysis predicting the use of 20,000–23,000 kg of xenon for a single round trip, or the planned Lunar Gateway space station requiring 2,750 kg of xenon for the yearlong orbit transfer and 2–5 kg of xenon for station keeping thereafter
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576523000449

They should change Gateway's xenon thrusters for argon ones

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:53:53 2023 No.15236355 >>15235779 >Set unrealistic dates to light a fire under people's asses, then at least you'll only be 5 years late. 15-25 years late*

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:54:35 2023 No.15236361

>>15236330
>>15236337
>>15236338
Thanks! I guess this engine isn’t “groundbreaking” as a whole, but they took a safe design and tried to max out portions of it for performance and efficiency. Very on-brand, like the merlin. I find it kind of ironic (?) that BO thinks they’re so cool for dropping the news on blue alchemist, but then SX comes out with something way cooler, way more important, and way useful

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:55:28 2023 No.15236363 >>15236361 they dumped performance for cost

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 22:59:28 2023 No.15236378

>>15236361
More like threw away performance and efficiency to make it cheaper lmao. I wouldn't even call it a "safe" design either for that matter since it's the first of its kind used in orbit. We don't really have any data on whether year long usage in orbit with argon would create complications (highly doubt it though since it really shouldn't be much difference compared to their old one)

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:01:17 2023 No.15236380

>>15236363
Sort of. They accepted an efficiency hit by using argon—but typically just substituting argon in place of xenon absolutely rapes your efficiency. It looks like they only lost ~10% instead of 35+ meaning they slaved away at making sure it wasn’t a huge blow

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:04:46 2023 No.15236392

>>15236378
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t all electrical engines eat themselves up anyways?
Also right now it seems the philosophy of starlink is to just let them die off eventually and replace them. I’m not sure if SX will want more permanent sats in the future though

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:05:42 2023 No.15236396
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>>15236353
>the planned Lunar Gateway space station requiring 2,750 kg of xenon for the yearlong orbit transfer
Can NASA even source that much xenon from outside Russia?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:08:33 2023 No.15236403 https://youtu.be/oe4S-q_gQaU

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:09:31 2023 No.15236407 >>15236380 The huge blow is really in the power consumption and the added mass. Which doesn't scale too well with argon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:10:28 2023 No.15236411 The future is mercury powered helicon double-layer thrusters

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:11:02 2023 No.15236415 >>15236411 Why not add some fluorine boosters while you're at it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:11:15 2023 No.15236416 File: 1.54 MB, 1309x743, 001150.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236403 3 min to launch

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:11:37 2023 No.15236418 File: 101 KB, 680x769, Chicken vs chicken food.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236411 The future is chicken tendies on mars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:11:44 2023 No.15236419 File: 1.03 MB, 1920x1080, [1920x1080] vtime=[9_19], take=[2023-02-27 17.11.38].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] kino

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:12:39 2023 No.15236422 >>15236411 more like the future is mercurychads living underground leasing sunlight to erthers and dsters

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:12:48 2023 No.15236423 >>15236415 okay but they are ISRU hypergolic

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:13:06 2023 No.15236426 >>15236337 less than 1% by volume, but more than 1% by mass

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:14:05 2023 No.15236428 Kino sunset launch if the clouds don’t fuck it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:15:28 2023 No.15236432 100 successful booster landings in a row, come on baby

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:16:25 2023 No.15236436 File: 234 KB, 1279x411, ECD12F33-311D-49EE-B077-51FC6D16C1C6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >72 tons payload >1000 m3 8.4m diameter fairing wtf this is better than shuttle C

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:20:34 2023 No.15236443 reuse may work but it's not profitable

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:21:02 2023 No.15236446 SCRUBBED

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:21:35 2023 No.15236447 stage one fts has saved

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:21:38 2023 No.15236448 File: 56 KB, 1065x820, Good morning Mars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236418 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIJsI4pvVKk

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:21:59 2023 No.15236449 The space rats are back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:22:27 2023 No.15236450 Why does spacex disable the chats for these

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:24:39 2023 No.15236460 >>15236450 Because then you need to moderate it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:24:43 2023 No.15236461 >>15236450 Probably tired of the reddit-tier NSF comments and pajeets randomly flooding the chat

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:25:38 2023 No.15236463 >>15236450 Their jannies won't do it for free

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:27:18 2023 No.15236467 >>15236450 >spacex decides to enable chat >comment section immediately and suddenly filled with hundreds of accounts spamming "space is fake" and "earth is flat"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:37:04 2023 No.15236486 >>15236450 Because every time people spam in the chat about pumping cum inside the woman hosts :/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:38:55 2023 No.15236491 to think the early starlink launch threads used to get like 50 replies lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:40:28 2023 No.15236494 >>15236491 Shit was cash

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:41:09 2023 No.15236497 >>15236491 I remember /sfg/ before falcon heavy&starman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:42:29 2023 No.15236501 >>15236497 I remember /sfg/ before Falcon 9.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:43:24 2023 No.15236502 >>15236501 okay grandpa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:43:41 2023 No.15236503 >>15236501 I remember /sfg/ before the Columbia disaster

Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:44:46 2023 No.15236506
File: 64 KB, 747x433, eml2 leo farqu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>pre-Dec 2018
Various unconnected launch threads
>17 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076
Initial catalyst, quadruple launch thread, first boca chica pics
>21 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10223076/#10230858
First suggestion of "spaceflight general"
>21 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408
SpaceX GPS launch thread, staged from previous launch thread
>22 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10231408/#10235763
First collective OC
>23 Dec 2018
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10237471
First Starship/BFR discussion thread, starting relatively unbroken thread chain
>18 Feb 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10399256
First thread with "spaceflight general" in subject line

>19 Apr 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10562453/#10562640
First suggestion to use /sfg/ in general name instead of /sg/
>19 Apr 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10571535
First thread using /sfg/ in subject line
>1 Aug 2019
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10853630/#10854978
First post of SLS is real copypasta on /sfg/ (or /sci/ in general)
>03 May 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11632487/#11632831
Creation of 4ASS
>09 Jun 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11779749/#11780018
First appearance of PROOONT-anon
>10 Aug 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/11993520/#11994869
First Krystal post
>07 Dec 2020
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/12425748/#12430004
First appearance of the Zubrin sniffer

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:49:36 2023 No.15236511 >>15236497 >>15236501 >>15236503 I remember /sfg/ before sputnik

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:50:45 2023 No.15236512 >>15236506 do you know the first instance of 2 weeks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:51:42 2023 No.15236515 >>15236511 what was it like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:53:53 2023 No.15236522 >>15236422 Mostly speculation about the jungles of Venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:55:44 2023 No.15236526 >>15236522 you replied to the wrong post

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:57:47 2023 No.15236528 >>15236515 lot's of "earth is flat" shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 27 23:59:33 2023 No.15236531 >>15236515 A lot of schizos talking about the Roswell incident

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:01:06 2023 No.15236536

>>15236522
>>15236515
I still can't get over this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_canals
>During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it was erroneously believed that there were "canals" on the planet Mars. These were a network of long straight lines in the equatorial regions from 60° north to 60° south latitude on Mars, observed by astronomers using early telescopes without photography.
>Around the turn of the century there was even speculation that they were engineering works, irrigation canals constructed by a civilization of intelligent aliens indigenous to Mars. By the early 20th century, improved astronomical observations revealed the "canals" to be an optical illusion, and modern high-resolution mapping of the Martian surface by spacecraft shows no such features.
we were robbed

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:01:47 2023 No.15236538 it's weird I made most of the launch threads on /sci/ during my 6 years of college, up until October or whatever now I'm out of college and don't make launch threads since its boring it's like a part of my life died

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:02:35 2023 No.15236540 >>15236538 do you work now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:05:12 2023 No.15236543 >>15236540 attempting to, cover letters suck

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:06:28 2023 No.15236545 >>15236536 This is why I feel scared on how we study exoplanets right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:06:43 2023 No.15236546 >>15236450 Because the chat is a den of retard posting and faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:08:10 2023 No.15236549 >>15236545 Trappist has no atmosphere

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:09:50 2023 No.15236551 >>15236545 All exoplanets are airless shitholes. Even the gas giants. This is why they haven't published the James Webb TRAPPIST data. It's so demoralizing, they just threw it in the trash and abandoned the study.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:13:13 2023 No.15236556 File: 26 KB, 632x505, john carter 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236536 Dejah Thoris is real, and spectacular, in my mind

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:16:53 2023 No.15236563

>>15236536
All I want is 19th century imperialism in space. I want to build railroads on Mars while politically outmaneuvering the Germans. I want to bang Venusian dinosaur women. The world is a cold place compared to what we were promised.

On the other hand, I read something a while back that the early astronomers who were seeing canals might have been actually seeing artifacts from their own retinas transposed onto the planet. A hand drawn retina scan of Percival Lowell isn't the waterways of an ancient and dying world, but it is pretty cool.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:19:12 2023 No.15236567

>>15236536
it's astounding how much and how often our perception of the world has changed in less than a century.
It's almost comforting to know that what we currently believe will probably get turned on it's head many times over in the future. Could be tomorrow if they released more fucking JUST data.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:19:56 2023 No.15236570

>>15236549
It doesn't have a large cloud free hydrogen dominated atmosphere like gas giants have. This means a compact earth like atmosphere cannot be ruled out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRAPPIST-1e#Atmosphere
>>15236551
>>All exoplanets are airless shitholes
pretty fucking hard to say when we've only observed a couple exoplanets at enough resolution to look for atmospheres.
>>why they haven't published the James Webb TRAPPIST data
uhh... analyzing spectra ain't easy

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:20:04 2023 No.15236571 >>15236501 i dont remember sfg (so old dementia) :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:21:01 2023 No.15236574 >>15236549 If they don't at least we can move on from red dwarfs >>15236551 >All exoplanets are airless shitholes. Even the gas giants. what

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:21:16 2023 No.15236576 >>15236512 yeah, check reddit.com

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:23:01 2023 No.15236580 What was /sfg/ like pre Falcon? I started using 4chan in 2013 but I only really started browsing /sfg/ in the last 2 years

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:24:17 2023 No.15236583 >>15236574 well he did say airless, not gasless.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:24:23 2023 No.15236584

>>15236567
>It's almost comforting to know that what we currently believe will probably get turned on it's head many times over in the future.
For Mars, changing what we knew meant going from a dying martian civilization to just a barren desert. I'm scared it will turn out that all the subsurface oceans never actually existed in the first place, or some other disappointment like usual.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:24:24 2023 No.15236585 File: 111 KB, 1280x720, life_on_gas_giant.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236551 >All exoplanets are airless shitholes Just have some HOPE

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:25:23 2023 No.15236588 >>15236584 *With the exception of Enceladus, given it's size. I forgot to mention that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:25:57 2023 No.15236592 >>15236585 More like COPE The earth is the only habitable planet in the entire galaxy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:26:01 2023 No.15236593 >>15236580 sfg didn't exist, we had occasional space threads

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:26:35 2023 No.15236596 >>15236585 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uakLB7Eni2E

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:27:26 2023 No.15236599 >>15236567 >>Could be tomorrow if they released more fucking JUST data. Soon anon, once they've completed jacking off the publishers it'll be out.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:27:52 2023 No.15236601

>>15236584
We also changed our universe is just the milky way to it being fuckhuge. Good revelations may be rarer than the disappointing ones, but they happen.
And we're on a disappointment streak right now so when the current batch of boring models turn out to be wrong, the ones to replace them will have to be more interesting!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:28:06 2023 No.15236602 >>15236551 True but that was obvious the moment it was said that Trappist 1 was a red dwarf and besides a dead world like Mars still has potential and Trappist 1E is just a bigger and warmer Mars so it could be a decent place to seize.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:28:07 2023 No.15236603 >>15236584 The real gut punch with Mars was the ultra-thin atmosphere. Until quite recently we thought the atmosphere was thick enough that maybe you didn't need a pressure suit, just oxygen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:32:39 2023 No.15236615 >>15236603 I think the ancient water and underground water were cool discoveries for a change, but I feel they still aren't safe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:33:48 2023 No.15236619 >>15236585 >everything is bioluminescent >nothing has eyeballs I'm pretty sure this is some Wayne Barlow art

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:33:56 2023 No.15236620 File: 169 KB, 1192x1636, 072A40F9-8164-4C49-9A32-EEECF3E11D9A.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236584 Europa’s “ocean” turning out to be ice would probably be the worst cosmic discovery of the century if that turned out to be true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:36:01 2023 No.15236622 >>15236620 Why? And water could not exist at that distance from the sun in liquid form, unless it was heated by radioactive decay of immense proportions under extreme pressure, which it is not obviously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:37:31 2023 No.15236624 >>15236622 Tidal heating

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:39:48 2023 No.15236627

>>15236620
Europa annoys me for some reason so I wouldn't be bothered if it turned out to be an iceball.
All that talk of life on Europa sounds like the longest of long shots. I'm more optimistic for extant life on Mars, given the oddities of methane output and the reevaluation of the Viking data.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:39:53 2023 No.15236628 File: 91 KB, 1024x576, corrupted.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236622 what do you mean why, are you stupid what do you mean water couldn't be liquid unless glowed at hard, are you stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:40:17 2023 No.15236630 >>15236567 >>15236584 >>15236620 Did you know we still don't know with 100% certainty if there is a liquid ocean underneath Neptune and Uranus' atmospheres

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:42:18 2023 No.15236632 >>15236627 I've always been partial to enceladus we can actually tell for sure that there's water in there, what with the geysers and all. And making rings out of ejected matter is just cool, while europa just kinda sits there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:43:30 2023 No.15236633 File: 773 KB, 1280x720, SpaceX - Starlink Mission [oe4S-q_gQaU - 1280x720 - 4m50s].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236403 damn I WISH it launched, the views would be so kino, look at that sky

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:44:01 2023 No.15236635

Today I will remind them
https://phys.org/news/2016-10-year-old-viking-life-mars.html
>In 1976, two Viking landers became the first US spacecraft from Earth to touch down on Mars. They performed experiments that searched for signs of microbial life in Martian soil.
>Overall, these life-detection experiments produced surprising and contradictory results. One experiment, the Labeled Release (LR) experiment, showed that the Martian soil tested positive for metabolism—a sign that, on Earth, would almost certainly suggest the presence of life. However, a related experiment found no trace of organic material, suggesting the absence of life. With no organic substances, what could be, or seem to be, metabolizing?
>In the forty years since these experiments, scientists have been unable to reconcile the conflicting results, and the general consensus is that the Viking landers found no conclusive evidence of life on Mars. However, a small minority of scientists argues that the Viking results were positive for life on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:44:44 2023 No.15236637 NO ARGAN HALL THRUSTERS IN SPACE TODAY AAA

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:45:07 2023 No.15236638
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>>15236632
frogot pic
seriously, why isn't enceladus talked about nearly as much as europa when it comes to hosting life?
Hell if it had living mikrobiology we might be able to find it ejected out at saturns' e-ring, now that's fucking cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:45:37 2023 No.15236639 >>15236635 Take 5 seconds to look at that barren dirt hellscape and tell me with a straight face there's life there

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:45:59 2023 No.15236640 File: 781 KB, 1180x800, Screen Shot 2023-02-27 at 7.44.49 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236633 I don't get it, are you trying to demoralize me or something ahead of the starship launch? It isn't working friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:47:09 2023 No.15236646 >>15236640 wai thwa

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:47:43 2023 No.15236647

>>15236627
Current life (as in, not fossils) would be terrible because environmentalists would block any attempt of colonization.
>>15236630
Not surprising since we only have Voyager 2 data. I hope the proposed Uranus mission flies in a Starship to cut down travel time.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:48:25 2023 No.15236648

>>15236635
>it's 1976 on Mars
>Heats soil sample
>finds no organic matter, none at all
>gets chloromethane and dichloromethane
>"uhhhhh i guess it's cleaning fluid that we forgot to wash off? Lmao I dunno"
>much later, learn that perchlorates in Martian soil, when heated, destroy organic matter and release chloromethane and dichloromethane

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:49:12 2023 No.15236650 >>15236638 It's the size of a big asteroid. I think Vesta is a bit bigger actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:49:26 2023 No.15236651 >>15236638 Stupid name. >Enceladus Yikes and oof-pilled >EVROPA Based and life-pilled

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:51:23 2023 No.15236654 File: 2.20 MB, 1500x1126, atacama desert.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236639 I know right, I mean just look at it. Place is deader than fuck.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:51:37 2023 No.15236655
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>>15236638
Because it’s tiny you dumb dumb. People don’t give a shit about microbiology and the reason Europa is seen as more interesting is because it’s around the size of our moon so it’s a sizeable object and we know Jupiter and the other moons cause extensive tidal flexing on it so it’s definitely got significant geological activity especially if it’s neighbour Io is anything to go by and because of it’s size it’s not difficult for people to imagine more Earth sized creatures swimming around in it’s depths which makes it very mysterious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:52:17 2023 No.15236656 >>15236648 youre fucking delusional, stop listening to shill scientists

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:53:10 2023 No.15236658 >>15236656 Then where did the chloromethane and dichloromethane come from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:53:23 2023 No.15236659 File: 99 KB, 729x490, 2F73DD8D-BE39-487A-B3E5-6D986E140CB1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236638 >>15236655 And here is Europa.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:53:27 2023 No.15236660
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>>15236650
we're not looking for big life. If it has liquid water and geothermal activity it's a life candidate.
I really really want to see an e-ring sample return mission. Fuck drilling holes though tens of kilometres of ice, the discerning gentleman gets his subsurface samples out in space.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:53:44 2023 No.15236661 >>15236654 uhh yeah? imagine a whole planet like that, totally dead

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:54:18 2023 No.15236663 >>15236654 If Arizona is terraformable I haven't seen it. No Phoenix doesn't count have you been to Phoenix

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:54:52 2023 No.15236664 >>15236658 from the ground??

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:54:56 2023 No.15236665 >>15236661 Atacama has loads of life in the soil, you just can't see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:55:21 2023 No.15236666 There is no life on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:55:57 2023 No.15236668 >>15236664 >said the rare-earther, evasively.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:57:22 2023 No.15236670 File: 39 KB, 506x548, zubrin check.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236666 That's all, folks

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:57:40 2023 No.15236671

>>15236627
Best case scenario for Mars is some microscopic organisms which isn’t very interesting. Europa has potential for a vast ocean heated by the tidal flexing of Jupiter and the other moons along with whatever isotopes are present in it’s core giving off heat so more complex life isn’t totally out of the question like on Mars.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:57:50 2023 No.15236673 >>15236655 that's not true. Yeah the average retard wants spacewhales and not single cells, but finding any biology outside of earth wold be something even retards could realise is huge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:58:35 2023 No.15236676 >>15236665 it has evolved invisibility?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:59:18 2023 No.15236678 File: 13 KB, 508x508, tired cat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236666 There is no life on Earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:59:35 2023 No.15236680 >>15236676 The ultimate natural defense against biologists

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 00:59:35 2023 No.15236679 File: 394 KB, 1920x1080, firefly logo boom 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2bzJuMEfXM Wow, Firefly learned to static fire its stages. How innovative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:00:56 2023 No.15236681 >>15236551 Retard; Titan and Venus have shittons of air Even Triton has some clouds

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:01:46 2023 No.15236683 >>15236681 They're not exoplanets, they're real planets

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:02:03 2023 No.15236684 >>15236647 Just ignore the environmentalists dumbass

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:02:12 2023 No.15236685 >>15236679 Shotwell says Firefly is her favorite space show. Is she right? I thought we agreed it was reddit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:02:14 2023 No.15236686 Io is an ocean world

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:02:42 2023 No.15236687 Earth is an ocean world

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:02:49 2023 No.15236688 File: 27 KB, 510x522, CFA8DAC0-28D3-4A9D-A954-829D88820EAC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236622 Tidal heating anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:03:14 2023 No.15236690 >>15236683 What?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:03:22 2023 No.15236691 Europa has no dirt (unlike chad inceladus)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:03:50 2023 No.15236692 File: 381 KB, 539x676, JVVST.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] have they pointed this shitbox at centauri yet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:04:09 2023 No.15236693 >>15236692 later this year apparently from that one twitter space

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:04:44 2023 No.15236694 >>15236673 Hey you wanted to know why nobody cares about Enceladus and I gave you the truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:05:06 2023 No.15236695 >>15236692 That's classified.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:05:10 2023 No.15236696 File: 293 KB, 748x624, FNkyLCYWYAY2_SE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Neptune is an ocean world Uranus isn't No I will not explain

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:05:56 2023 No.15236699 >>15236694 I will make them care...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:06:11 2023 No.15236700 File: 936 KB, 3840x2160, Solar_System_true_color.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh boy Solar System talk

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:08:11 2023 No.15236705 >>15236700 Godamn just look how much bigger Chad Ganymede is to our moon, absolutely mogged

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:08:43 2023 No.15236706 File: 1.79 MB, 1200x798, 1672889600675042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236693 you could give this answer for every other space related question and it's always delayed to the year after anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:09:35 2023 No.15236708 >>15236693 Well what are they wasting so much time looking at right now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:11:00 2023 No.15236713 >>15236708 your mom's black hole lmfao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:11:32 2023 No.15236714 >>15236708 https://twitter.com/JWSTObservation

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:14:12 2023 No.15236716 File: 2.30 MB, 560x420, saturn dance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236700 for me? it's Epimethus and Janus, orbit bros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:21:11 2023 No.15236719 >>15236716 What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:21:13 2023 No.15236720 >>15236671 I don't think complex life would be possible without sunlight. Geothermal heat is too weak compared to the Sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:22:10 2023 No.15236723 >>15236690 those are inside our solar system. They are not exoplanets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:24:36 2023 No.15236726 I WILL go fishing on ganymede

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:25:03 2023 No.15236727 File: 759 KB, 7201x2059, sol system map.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236700 it's still the GOAT >>15236719 weird reference frame, this is a better visualisation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_Kq1EUkwqc

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:26:30 2023 No.15236729 File: 55 KB, 1200x900, enceladus_true_color.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236700 >true color Today I will remind them. Enceladus has no blue at all on its surface lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:29:57 2023 No.15236732 >>15236708 this is a telescope for looking at galaxies

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:33:17 2023 No.15236740 File: 79 KB, 1920x1080, GanymedeCowboyBebop.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236726 Based https://youtu.be/5yMzY-0DkE8?t=649

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:38:42 2023 No.15236744 >>15236729 true color is when I personally am in orbit. until you put me there I will believe in blue enceladus, heart pattern pluto and putrid io

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:41:52 2023 No.15236748 File: 1.82 MB, 1920x1080, Riftia_tube_worm_colony_Galapagos_2011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236720 Abyssal black smokers say hi, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:42:00 2023 No.15236749 >>15236723 It doesn’t matter where they are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:42:07 2023 No.15236750 File: 947 KB, 3840x2160, solarsystem_better_inner_system_mod.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236700 Made some mods, r8 this solar system

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:43:01 2023 No.15236751 >>15236732 Then it should give us 1 inch resolution images of the planets in Alpha Centauri

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:45:14 2023 No.15236754 >>15236751 I have no idea how one thing leads to the other

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:52:01 2023 No.15236764 File: 979 KB, 3840x2160, solarsystem_better_inner_system_mod labels.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236750

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:55:46 2023 No.15236769 File: 2.36 MB, 3840x2160, new.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236764 kneel

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 01:59:45 2023 No.15236777 >>15236764 Water world venus UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH I want it so bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:01:57 2023 No.15236786 File: 1.18 MB, 3840x2160, fwefgergfgdfgdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236769 Now you've done it

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:02:50 2023 No.15236791 File: 1.05 MB, 5000x1333, terraformed worlds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236750 Needs more Earfs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:03:31 2023 No.15236792 File: 285 KB, 1200x1200, 1200px-TerraformedVenus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236777 Trips of truth & hope

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:04:32 2023 No.15236794 File: 203 KB, 1280x1280, terraformed_inner_system_overlay_by_ittiz_ddtfzxb-fullview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236791 Terraform everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:08:28 2023 No.15236802 >>15236708 It can only look at very narrow band of the sky at any one time. That bad will sweep the entire sky during one year orbiting the sun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:08:36 2023 No.15236803 >>15236727 >gonggong Chinese need to be banned from naming things

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:09:45 2023 No.15236809 >>15236794 Terraform every single celestial body in this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets#Main_index

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:10:22 2023 No.15236810 >>15236803 >Makemake Americans need to be banned from naming things

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:10:43 2023 No.15236811 File: 2 KB, 212x90, gas the jedi star wars now.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236809 Continuously add more O2 to any body too small to hold onto it, just keep pumping it in

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:12:16 2023 No.15236812 >>15236810 >'Omuamua yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:12:19 2023 No.15236813 File: 258 KB, 995x440, saturn terraformed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236794 Terraform Saturn

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:12:54 2023 No.15236815 File: 532 KB, 1024x768, TerraformNeptune-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236813 Terraform Neptune too

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:14:14 2023 No.15236818 File: 402 KB, 933x550, terraformed moon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236794 Terraformed Moon would have a disturbingly high atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:15:20 2023 No.15236822 >>15236818 Kerbin!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:15:37 2023 No.15236823 >>15236666 not yet, satan, but there will

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:16:09 2023 No.15236825 File: 133 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ahem

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:17:55 2023 No.15236829 >>15236825 this explain perfectly what I hate on most terraforming pics

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:18:02 2023 No.15236830 >>15236825 Can we terraform a black hole?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:20:48 2023 No.15236834 Terraform the vacuum itself

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:21:05 2023 No.15236839 >>15236830 i did that when I met your mom

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:23:01 2023 No.15236846 Terraform my broken heart

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:25:41 2023 No.15236852 >>15236813 >>15236815 Blow off the gas and use the cores

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:27:57 2023 No.15236859 File: 2.25 MB, 2193x2238, the_moon_terraformed_by_ittiz_d2a2zst.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:28:38 2023 No.15236861 >>15236846 We can't work miracles anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:28:58 2023 No.15236862 Looks like I have to do this now

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:30:47 2023 No.15236866 File: 335 KB, 613x397, 001151.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630394434847227909

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:33:10 2023 No.15236869 >>15236866 reeeeeeeeee why won't they show us these deployment videos anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:34:18 2023 No.15236870 File: 564 KB, 1500x375, new1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Terraform it ALL

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:35:44 2023 No.15236873 >>15236870 incredibly based

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:36:28 2023 No.15236878 File: 946 KB, 3840x2160, blue system.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236862 It is done

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:37:31 2023 No.15236882 >>15236869 the tweet has a video, but I can't seem to download it here for some reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:46:39 2023 No.15236900 >>15236870 >ywn take a 10 billion lightyear roadtrip across a giga-continent

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:48:50 2023 No.15236902 File: 1.29 MB, 3840x2160, blue system2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is the ideal solar system, prove me wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:49:11 2023 No.15236903 File: 1.78 MB, 640x360, deployment.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This has to be the best view we've ever had of a Falcon second stage in orbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:49:51 2023 No.15236904 >>15236903 Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:53:42 2023 No.15236910 >>15236902 Also I don't even wanna think about how heavy Blue Jupiter there is with all that water lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:54:34 2023 No.15236911 >>15236903 The way it barfs out that stack of flatpack sats

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:56:31 2023 No.15236914 >>15236754 It’s supposed to image stuff that’s really far away, so it should be really good at seeing stuff that’s only somewhat far away

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:56:42 2023 No.15236915 File: 252 KB, 3840x2160, blue system 2v2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236902 >prove me wrong ok

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:57:46 2023 No.15236916 >>15236818 The Moon used to have a dense atmosphere but it lost it when the Moon’s magnetic field died.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:58:17 2023 No.15236918 >>15236915 .... I kneel

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:58:46 2023 No.15236919 >>15236852 I imagine cthonian planets have gnarly surface features; unique geology

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:59:48 2023 No.15236921 >>15236870 LMAO BASED

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 02:59:53 2023 No.15236923 >>15236919 I wanna see one

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:03:17 2023 No.15236931
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>>15236904
The new deployment system also doesn't involve the tension arm floating off loose into orbit. It's a small touch, but it's a nice one.

Having the camera on the end of it also let it get a backwards view during fairing separation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:04:41 2023 No.15236933 >>15236931 Why did they have to close the fucking webcast before deployment, that would have been a fucking cool surprise for everyone watching

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:06:27 2023 No.15236939 File: 878 KB, 3840x2160, blue universe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236915

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:08:58 2023 No.15236943 >>15236933 because fuck you

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:09:52 2023 No.15236945 >>15236914 They are far away but also absurdly huge. Planets are small and barely reflect any light.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:10:16 2023 No.15236946

>>15236933
If I had to guess, I say that they probably lost the high-bandwidth LOS feed that they use for the livestream and had to download the clip over a much slower link through something up in geostationary.

That said, they haven't had any issues with showing deployments live before, so that's probably wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:11:50 2023 No.15236948 File: 472 KB, 3840x2160, blue system 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236939 son of a bitch, i was making the same thing, truly a hivemind lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:14:59 2023 No.15236955 >>15236923 Well, if you insist, we could glass Jupiter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:25:21 2023 No.15236972 >>15236939 >>15236948 goddamnit, i was too slow

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:32:11 2023 No.15236987 >>15236769 i just realized you enlarged Saturn and Jupiter here too how the fuck did I miss that

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 03:38:03 2023 No.15236995 >>15236903 And yet ULA still resorts to using KSP renderings for their views of the 2nd stage in flight

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:06:15 2023 No.15237041 >>15236995 they have more important things to do than pretty pictures for your entertainment

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:13:02 2023 No.15237047 >>15237041 The pretty pictures are how people get excited for space exploration, essential when so much is tied to government funding, and also what will inspire the next generations of engineers that will work for those launchers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:21:08 2023 No.15237056 >>15236995 The "downrange and out of sight" problems that SpaceX has are nothing compared to what ULA has with the Atlas V or will have with Vulcan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:23:05 2023 No.15237061 >>15237056 ah shit, Vulcan too?

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:29:00 2023 No.15237070

>>15236700
Any gas giant with a metallic hydrogen core is a naturally-occurring sentient supercomputer. Their cognitive power is beyond comprehension and they have influenced human history dramatically. They are the most common form of life in the universe.
Jupiter is benevolent and Saturn is the actual unironic devil.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:31:39 2023 No.15237073 File: 675 KB, 1170x773, 7B2C0FE9-12BD-4295-85AF-E1FCE1022C3D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] JAXA’s new astronaut: Ayu Yoneda. 28 year old surgeon with the Japanese Red Cross

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:31:53 2023 No.15237074 File: 3.47 MB, 1246x2288, Francisco_de_Goya,_Saturno_devorando_a_su_hijo_(1819-1823).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237070 >Saturn is the actual unironic devil true

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:33:24 2023 No.15237077
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>>15237061
Yeah. Centaur V is just a bigger version of the Centaur III. It's very efficient but it's under powered for its weight, so it has to stage at a much higher speed a lot further downrange. That's one of the big reasons why they have to use Smart recovery instead of something propulsive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:40:22 2023 No.15237083 >>15237077 Well propulsively landing a second stage is a hell of a lot different than something like a F9 first stage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:51:44 2023 No.15237095 >>15236903 Isn't the arm normally supposed to come off? Are they saving the arm?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 04:58:39 2023 No.15237101 Will Mars be a sex party like the Olympics?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:01:08 2023 No.15237107 >>15237101 Low g (<0.8 g)sex is physically impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:02:40 2023 No.15237110 >>15237095 Define “saving,” the whole thing burns up anyways

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:09:38 2023 No.15237121 >>15237095 The second stages does a deorbit burn at some point after payload separation. If the arm stays attached it gets brought along for the ride instead of lingering in a more slowly decaying orbit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:11:00 2023 No.15237127 Fuck it throw some starship tiles on a second stage if you have the mass to spare, just for fun. They’ve sent starship tiles to orbit and back before

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:12:16 2023 No.15237129 >>15237121 Whoa they could leave the arm extended, cameras facing forward and aft. What a show that would be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:19:04 2023 No.15237142 >>15237107 Does the vagina close shut or what

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:23:24 2023 No.15237149 File: 123 KB, 828x646, FB7334B0-EF68-4581-AD29-B1CED242FEE3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1630250260504117249 New Shepard is going to be up to some interesting things once it’s back in service

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:25:40 2023 No.15237153 >>15237142 The explanation is trivial. I would expect even you to understand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:31:56 2023 No.15237165 >>15237142 magic pixies come and inject you with heroin if you try to have sex in low g, thus disabling the use of your penis

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:35:38 2023 No.15237169 >>15237110 Yeah but the way it looks, it maybe burned in a controlled manner rather than just jettising off at payload separation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:44:10 2023 No.15237179 >>15237149 >spinning for a 6th of a g inside a metro and a half wide capsule Hope they have complimentary vomit bags

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:51:11 2023 No.15237186 >>15237153 I am the most qualified anon in this thread and yet I don't understand, you need to be more explicit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:53:18 2023 No.15237189 File: 313 KB, 1200x675, oneill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237149 O'Neill chads, we're back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:56:21 2023 No.15237192 >>15237149 so fuckin dumb

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 05:56:47 2023 No.15237195 >>15237179 I don't think Jeff is autistic enough to refer to humans as NASA payloads >>15237149 I feel there has to be a simpler way to do this but it's a good idea, manufacturing moon hardware without being able to test it has to be a pain the ass

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:04:16 2023 No.15237209 >>15237073 >28 years old >surgeon shit you cant even become a surgeon until 38 in america

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:05:34 2023 No.15237212 >>15236903 spacex is decades ahead of everyone else

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:06:49 2023 No.15237214 >>15236902 Those super Earth's would be frozen shitholes with impossible to escape gravity wells.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:08:22 2023 No.15237217 File: 332 KB, 616x536, 001152.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630448186178273280

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:09:44 2023 No.15237220 >>15237149 pretty retarded but I guess its better than nothing how long is it going to take to get to fucking orbit? what the fuck man bezos your suborbital joyride is pointless and embarassing

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:31:11 2023 No.15237242 File: 90 KB, 589x555, 1677565820.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237169 >>15237095 One way to mitigate/reduce orbital debris.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 06:49:53 2023 No.15237261 File: 164 KB, 1280x720, R.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237179 I can't see how this would work for people. They would be flung out to the windows.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 07:37:37 2023 No.15237320 >>15237073 nakadashi in orbit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 07:39:13 2023 No.15237323 >>15236726 and you WILL NOT catch anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 07:47:38 2023 No.15237329 >>15237073 Roboticl;Notes

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 07:57:03 2023 No.15237341 >>15237323 he will catch moon covid

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:54:54 2023 No.15237407 File: 236 KB, 2000x3000, FqBDbMnagAIOfZF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:55:26 2023 No.15237409 File: 475 KB, 3000x2000, FqBDbi2aEAAL0lR.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:55:57 2023 No.15237411 File: 483 KB, 3000x2000, FqBDcVracAI44uy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 08:56:28 2023 No.15237412 File: 531 KB, 3000x2000, FqBDdFRaUAE0pwI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:05:20 2023 No.15237427 File: 513 KB, 3000x2000, FqBJAAQXgAAB_J-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237411 Sexy

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:24:08 2023 No.15237443 File: 24 KB, 800x427, cia gurn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236870 > stage 3 what is the light source to the right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:27:02 2023 No.15237446 >>15237443 Vacuum energy

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:41:59 2023 No.15237459
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Terraforming the universe is crazy talk, let's consider more realistic projects
>The Megasphere
>Mathematically at least, it is possible to build a really big Dyson sphere, with the. heart of a galaxy at its center. There probably aren't enough planets to supply us with material. We would have to disassemble some of the star of the galactic arms. But we'll be able to do it by the time we need to.
>We put the biosphere on the outside this time. Surface. gravity is minute, but the atmospheric gradient is infinitesimal. Once again, we assume that it is possible for human beings to adapt to free fall. We live in free fall, above a surface area of tens of millions of light years, within an atmosphere that doesn't thin out for scores of light years.
>Temperature control is easy: we vary the heat conductivity of the sphere to pick up and hold enough of the energy from the stars within. Though the radiating surface is great, the volume to hold heat is much greater. Industrial power would come from photoreceptors inside the shell.
>Within this limitless universe of air we can build exceptionally large structures, Ringworld-sized and larger. We could even spin them for gravity. They would remain aloft for many times the lifespan of any known civilization before the gravity of the Core stars pulled them down to contact the surface.
>The Megasphere would be a pleasantly poetic place to live. From a flat Earth hanging in space, one could actually reach a nearby moon via a chariot drawn by swans, and stand a good chance of finding selenites there. There would be none of this nonsense about carrying bottles of air along.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 09:59:02 2023 No.15237473 >>15235780 Damn straight , no more lukewarm gay bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:04:06 2023 No.15237478 File: 120 KB, 1080x1080, 199844238.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236028 btw...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:05:40 2023 No.15237483 >>15237459 If you want to live in an artificial world so badly just simulate it holy shit The whole point of existing in the base level of reality is to experience the universe mostly as it is

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:17:48 2023 No.15237489

>>15236751
>>15236692
>>15236914
>Then it should give us 1 inch resolution images of the planets in Alpha Centauri
I don't think you understand how big galaxies are. JWST has a best resolution of about 0.05 arcseconds. At the distance of Alpha Centauri (1.33 parsecs, 4.3 lightyears) this means one pixel is 0.07 Astronomical Units (Earth-Sun distances) or 10 million kilometers.
The reason they don't care about alpha cen is because it is a boring target for JWST. It's not going to find anything interesting. Even if there was an Earth like planet around alpha cen it wouldn't have the contrast to see it, much less resolve it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:26:33 2023 No.15237501 File: 284 KB, 900x686, gigachad leviathan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237483 No, molding matter to your design is based and heterosexual and flipping bits is cringe and gay

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 10:32:41 2023 No.15237512 File: 31 KB, 378x350, dredd mental b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237478 > docking port on the tip that's going to be hypersonically heated

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:00:32 2023 No.15237546 >>15236467 >>15236486 Based?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:01:08 2023 No.15237547 >>15237546 on what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:04:35 2023 No.15237556 >>15237483 why do anything? just imagine you did it

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:09:12 2023 No.15237562 >>15237547 Based on Mars.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:12:41 2023 No.15237566

>>15237556
This is the Final Filter.
Upon reaching a sufficient degree of intelligence, species realize that activity is pointless and either self destruct or voluntarily revert to being simple beasts.
>converting the entire mass of the solar system to computers
To calculate what? It's all pointless

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:22:47 2023 No.15237574 File: 65 KB, 857x658, avatar saddam.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237566 Based and Na'vipilled

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:29:53 2023 No.15237584

>>15237566
We already know that supremely intelligent humans often don't procreate. Expansion to space will be religiously motivated. By the time we are ready to embark on interstellar colonization there will be no scientific or economic rationale for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:42:17 2023 No.15237613 >>15237566 Midwit trap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 11:46:04 2023 No.15237619 >>15237566 How to reverse entropy

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:06:20 2023 No.15237788 File: 2.91 MB, 800x338, starflare_ksp.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15236911 The camera is on a rotating arm that was part of what locked the stack, the sats simply float away from the stage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:22:59 2023 No.15237815 File: 1.08 MB, 915x751, 1641636695185.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237142 You need something to push against, it's a docking problem, and you have no rear thrusters. >thinkin' about thos beans Also trouble with getting it up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:25:14 2023 No.15237820 File: 750 KB, 1200x875, 1596042664660.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237149 So it wasn't a fun enough carnival ride and they had to make it spin too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:26:53 2023 No.15237826 >>15237242 nice selfie stick you got there Elon

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:33:43 2023 No.15237839 >>15237815 I firmly believe that every decades-long 'problem' regarding sex in space can be solved intuitively by two horny teenagers in zero-g over the span of 5 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:43:09 2023 No.15237869 File: 1.70 MB, 320x179, 1569363602519.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237839 Can I have the popcorn franchise for this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 13:53:29 2023 No.15237893 File: 14 KB, 397x469, dafoe deranged.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15237839 DESCRIBE in lavish detail what would be most likely to happen pls

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 14:09:53 2023 No.15237923
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The month is Horned beetle in the year of Dog (march 2023)
You are mission director for CNSA
You are ordered to land a man on the moon who must be alive long enough to plant a flag.
A suitably terminally ill crew will be provided for this mission. Return journey is not required.
You have three months to complete your mission.
Resignation will result in secret police death squad.
Wwyd

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 14:32:46 2023 No.15237972 >>15237923 Best hope is to use the ~800kg Payload of Cheng e 6 to put a one man capsule

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 14:48:06 2023 No.15237993 >>15236870 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:08:20 2023 No.15238014 >>15237443 Dark photons

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:17:59 2023 No.15238025

>>15237923
>launch a Long March 5 with no payload, have the second stage instead a docking adapter put on it and launch it into orbit so you have ~30 tonnes of fuel
>refurbish their finished module that is on the ground to a service module, put in additional fuel tanks and launch it into LEO with a Long March 5B. Have it dock with the second stage
>build the LK lunar lander as fast as possible which they bought the plans for a few years back from Ukraine. Launch it with an astronaut onboard with a Long March 7 and have it dock to the rest

That should get them just enough delta-v to land on the moon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:28:12 2023 No.15238039 >>15236910 it's a thin (relatively speaking) layer of water and dirt packed on top of a jup-sized metal sphere. Surface gravity 1G.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:31:17 2023 No.15238042 File: 59 KB, 833x596, Earth Path Indicator Mercury 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:34:21 2023 No.15238045
File: 109 KB, 500x742, 1602780444918.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>15237923
get Shen Lee Chubek to organize that Long March 3D model makers to make a CGI AI set, also launch rockets at the right time to cover making it look real to the glowies

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:47:30 2023 No.15238056 >>15238045 and you could give some spin to one of the chinese blacksite space stations to simulate moon gravity

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:49:00 2023 No.15238059 >https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630474250569105411 wait does elon support russia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:50:44 2023 No.15238061 >>15238059 Leave

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:50:56 2023 No.15238062 >>15238059 yeah, the guy supplying the backbone of communication for the Ukraine war effort actually supports Russia

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 15:58:09 2023 No.15238084 >>15238059 Nearly every business he is engaged in hurts Russia relatively in some way. Even Tesla. If he was developing and selling advanced petroleum extraction technology to Russia like Shell or BP etc. did, I would say he is supporting Russia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:10:17 2023 No.15238109 File: 507 KB, 2100x2400, pacman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238059 What do you see when you look at a Pacman?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:11:42 2023 No.15238113 >>15238059 >>15238084 >>15238062 >SpaceX Killed Russian space industry >Starlink Killed Russian units >Tesla Killing Russian oil industry

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:23:19 2023 No.15238125 https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/ I sure hope we will get some similar caliber autism for a milestone Starship mission.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:28:33 2023 No.15238129 >>15238125 Only on twitter and discord :)

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:30:38 2023 No.15238133

https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1630343693608656897

NASA is falling behind

SpaceX's thrusters are achieving 1 kW/kg (after inefficiencies).
That is THREE times better than the best electric thruster at NASA; the NEXT-C used in the recent DART mission which achieves 342 W/kg (effective).
https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/6..

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:33:33 2023 No.15238139 File: 16 KB, 474x355, jim_birdenstein.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238133 >Implying NASA can't just contract spaceX if they want to use the new thrusters Free market baby

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:34:58 2023 No.15238140 >>15238133 NASA should be behind on everything except the absolute newest technologies that commercial wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:38:00 2023 No.15238143 >>15238133 the whole point of NASA and US government R&D agencies in general is to develop something to the point of commercial viability and then let the free market take over from there

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:38:49 2023 No.15238144 >>15238140 They're failing at that too, electric sail is barely struggling to stay afloat with no funding for in space demo and plasma sail isn't even being studied or look at by NASA in any capacity whatsoever not even NIAC Phase III

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:40:29 2023 No.15238151 File: 2.67 MB, 260x490, ingenuity_flight_5.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238144 >They're failing at that too

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:40:35 2023 No.15238152 s26 removed from pad A might get moved tonight

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:43:50 2023 No.15238160 >>15238151 One based exception

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:44:15 2023 No.15238163 >>15238152 >~1 week until shielding done >s26 moved out >2 weeks till launch Mark my word

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:46:19 2023 No.15238166 >>15238140 I second this, their job should be pure gooberment money R&D so they do all the hard work and they commercial partners can profit from that and improve on it without blowing a fortune

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:51:03 2023 No.15238177 File: 72 KB, 908x687, Drawbridge Orbiter, McDonnell Douglas space, Ron Simpson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238151 If I could go back in time and cancel Ingenuity and give the funds to plasma magnet development I would do so

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:52:17 2023 No.15238184 >>15238177 >why not both.jgpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 16:57:12 2023 No.15238192 File: 81 KB, 776x604, spindizzy foss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238184 As funds are inevitably limited I would rather spend $80,000,000 on a promising method of space travel instead of a drone that flies in very thin air

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:00:14 2023 No.15238201 >>15238192 Apparently it only needs like $50 million for construction and in space tech demo but thats more money than NIAC can even provide I think

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:13:27 2023 No.15238214 >>15237815 use your arms you retard. this is what happens when your only exposition to sex is shitty porn movies where the actors try to touch eachother as little as possible

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:17:31 2023 No.15238220 >>15238133 what can we draw from this? just because NASA didn't get something to work, does not mean it can't work are there any interesting "failed" Nasa experiments that would be nice not to have failed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:19:06 2023 No.15238223 File: 472 KB, 950x1007, 001153.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/02/meet-the-space-billionaire-who-is-interested-in-something-other-than-rockets/

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:20:08 2023 No.15238225 File: 297 KB, 807x951, 001154.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238223

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:21:47 2023 No.15238228 File: 111 KB, 834x717, 001155.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238225

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:23:47 2023 No.15238232 >>15238223 they'll need to scoop up some business first if they want anyone to take them seriously

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:30:48 2023 No.15238240 >>15237209 must do it for family honor

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:32:15 2023 No.15238243 >>15237220 BU-BUT MUH KARMAN LINE!!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:35:40 2023 No.15238248 >>15238225 >Mt. Gox >Ripple >eDonkey2000 All his businesses involve some form of grifts or scams. I wonder what he will come up in s pace.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:38:27 2023 No.15238253

>>15238225
always kind of funny to me when they mention SpaceX with blue origin and virgin galactic (sometimes with some other newspace companies) implying they are on the same level somehow
isnt virgin galactic close to bankruptcy? blue origin hasn't even reached orbit yet
despite this "it is time to take advantage of the availability of commercial launch options"
there are basically no options other than spacex, not really
is this some attempt to seem "objective" or something? because this is basically false reporting

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:38:33 2023 No.15238254 >>15237815 Are you joking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:39:39 2023 No.15238255 >>15237584 Or ideologically motivated. Get ready for space nazis and space commies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:42:33 2023 No.15238263 File: 7 KB, 275x183, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is there anything more iconic than gemini spacesuits

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:46:42 2023 No.15238270 >>15238133 How about Gateway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:53:18 2023 No.15238283 >>15238263 apollo spacesuits

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 17:54:57 2023 No.15238286 >>15237073 https://www.friendsofutokyo.org/clinical-clerkship-program-at-harvard-medical-school/

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:08:09 2023 No.15238327 File: 110 KB, 946x900, Russ Arasmith spacewalking Gemini astronaut m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238283 Backpacks make you look like a doofus, umbilicals are chad

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:16:18 2023 No.15238348

>>15238223
>first few comments about MUH SPEND IT ON EARTH and MUH INEQUALITY

Literally less than 0.01% of America's budget goes towards space. For space, 100% of investment are returned back to Earth.

Like why the fucking stupid niggers are they making these comments all the time, in every space related ventures?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:28:02 2023 No.15238381 >>15238327 >literally wants to be a man baby

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:28:12 2023 No.15238383 >>15238151 >wow we built a machine that follows newtons laws exactly as predicted there is nothing special about the technology in that shitbox

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:29:29 2023 No.15238384 >>15238223 >cryptobro fucking dropped

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:31:29 2023 No.15238387 >>15238348 >why are they making these comments all the time, in every space related ventures? it's all in service to the destruction of America

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:31:32 2023 No.15238388 >>15238383 >there is nothing special about the technology in that shitbox It's not that easy in helicoptertry

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:32:57 2023 No.15238390 >>15238383 >wow we built a machine that follows newtons laws exactly as predicted And people don't think Starship will work

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 18:51:43 2023 No.15238422 >>15238383 Mathematician brain

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:22:01 2023 No.15238493 >>15238263 >8 KB

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:31:25 2023 No.15238521 >https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630640058507116553 What are the spaceflight implications?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:32:54 2023 No.15238525 >>15238521 it means all astronauts will be redditors

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:42:44 2023 No.15238556 >>15238521 Is the actually making an alternative to ChatGPT?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:49:12 2023 No.15238568 >>15238556 When have you ever known Elon to make false promises?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:52:34 2023 No.15238574 File: 457 KB, 220x180, 1620848837418.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238568

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:53:16 2023 No.15238576 File: 513 KB, 680x485, elon_hop.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238568 no never

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 19:53:31 2023 No.15238577 File: 264 KB, 597x2048, FqBBfMnWAAwGB0g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238556 thats the idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:00:58 2023 No.15238591 >>15238556 I think he's just posting memes, bro.

Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:02:17 2023 No.15238596

>>15238556
ChatGPT is just a distraction, the real threat are the AIs that are going to be used to examine medical records, review legal cases, and come up with government policy. If those still have completely retarded hall monitoring safeguards in place, society is properly fucked. That's what he's worried about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:04:26 2023 No.15238601 >>15238568 lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:16:18 2023 No.15238621 File: 123 KB, 720x1075, 1676808959062705.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > Elon thinks chatgpt isn't already based

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:21:11 2023 No.15238634 File: 3.69 MB, 1920x1080, PtPKIpn5XYO6HduO.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] starto

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:22:02 2023 No.15238636 >>15238384 Seething poor detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:24:37 2023 No.15238640 >>15238636 He'll accomplish nothing in the world of atoms

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:25:37 2023 No.15238642 >>15238634 Autism - The Engine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:40:43 2023 No.15238658 >>15238621 Would it hurt you to do a cursory glance at what is even being claimed before embarking your owning of the jids? I guess it would.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:48:08 2023 No.15238677 File: 122 KB, 592x590, 001158.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238634 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630651042055462922

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:49:09 2023 No.15238684 File: 46 KB, 609x524, 001159.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238677 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1630654820565614593

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:50:10 2023 No.15238687 File: 310 KB, 604x748, 001160.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://twitter.com/ajtourville/status/1630586615079792643

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:53:06 2023 No.15238698 File: 71 KB, 1024x681, 69EE2558-F7D3-4DE5-B20D-5C577E81CE9F.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15238687 This hearing is KINO

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 28 20:54:56 2023 No.15238705 Staging >>15238704 >>15238704 >>15238704 >>15238704 >>15238704

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