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ITT: Your face when you realize that this scene depicted in the attached picture may be possible if NASA takes that massive rod that is the US Government out of its ass and gets to work on space travel. Maybe even within the next 200 years.

>> No.1522752

that rod is the only thing holding nasa up
without it they're launching model rockets in a field in the midwest

>> No.1522758

>>1522740
True dat, republicans = tyranny

>> No.1522772

Mega-Corporations, I don't care how "evil" they are. If we get eve-online style space travel, I'm in.

>> No.1522789

We get submarines in space?

>> No.1522795

>>1522789
Although your trying to be sarcastic. I'll bet that's pretty close to what space warships will be like. All stealth and torpedoes.

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1522800

Wait, if we give money to NASA, real life will be unplayable because of lag?
No thanks.

>> No.1522802

Caldari = what the world would be like when the NWO and Bilderberg get what they want.

imokwiththis

Also reinstalling eve

Every /sci/duck join this http://steamcommunity.com/groups/evesci

>> No.1522803

>>1522800
The lag is only caused by your shitty graphics card. I got an ATI 5770, I run the game on full graphics, no lag. So quit bitching and pay some fucking money for a good graphics card

>> No.1522840

>>1522803
Have you ever even played played EVE?
I'm not talking about client-side lag dumbass, I'm running a gaming rig. I get like 100fps in EVE.

Go do a fleet fight sometime and then we'll see what you have to say about lag.

>> No.1522848

>>1522840
I do go into fleet fights all the fucking time. I have hardly had any lag. The only time I've ever had lag in a fleet fight was a battle where there was like 300 pilots on either side fighting and I was zoomed in and had brackets on and shit

>> No.1522859

If space exploration is going to be like eve i don't want it.

>> No.1522874

>>1522859
What would you prefer then? And why?

>> No.1522878

Personally I'd prefer to wait 150 years than 300 years.
Nothing special will happen until we have an operation space elevator or teleporter or something to surpass the current rockets.

>> No.1522882

>>1522879
>Missed the point.

>> No.1522879

That game sucks. It's pay to play, and then you spend the whole god damn time warping around stargates on autopilot.

I didn't even bother finishing the free trial.

>> No.1522886

>>1522879
You just don't understand it. It's a very strategic game, it isn't for little kids

>> No.1522894

>>1522802
Ah i remember that group
I founded that
I tried to make a corp
did not work out
now im in haters gonna hate

>> No.1522897

>>1522879
I don't know about you but I don't spend my time doing that at all. I run a corporation and play the market. Lrn 2 EVE.

>> No.1522900

>>1522795
>All stealth and torpedoes.
>Stealth in space
Right. Are our spaceships going to be 273 absolute now? lol.

>> No.1522908

>>1522886
Right now it's in the process of running into a brick wall at warp speed.

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1522910

The biggest things I'm looking forward to is the terraformation of Mars, Venus and the moon.

Imagine looking up at the moon and seeing a blue, white and green gem.

>> No.1522917

>>1522910
No thanks, it would just go out some other hole...

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>>1522908
DEAL WITH IT

>> No.1522920

>>1522900
Hulls designed to deflect methods of detection. Seeing a ship at distance in space that's not transmitting would be like trying to find one light green pixel on an all green lcd screen.

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>>1522908

>> No.1522928

>>1522882

The point is to get money out of your wallet.

>> No.1522931

oh what a surprise, /sci/ plays eve

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>>1522918

>> No.1522956

>>1522920
>Hulls designed to deflect methods of detection.
So you can detect things only if they are different from their surroundings. A spaceship that is hotter than the background is a brightly glowing coal on a velvet background. If the ship isn't emitting heat, where is it putting it? Thermodynamics still applies.

If a spaceship "reflects all methods of detection," then you're a hand-waving ass. A hull that absorbs radar is possible, but it won't absorb it all. But why bother with active sensors when any spaceship using gigawatts of energy has to emit that energy? Any two patrolling spaceships can detect a physically possible ship that is doing anything from the simple fact that they'd see its heat emissions. There is no stealth in space. The moment you do anything - send a signal, maneuver, or warm up your weapons, you're visible. And if you try to "go black" then you're limited by the real fact that heat buildup will break something soon. So. How would you stealth a ship?

Also, there are no convincing ship decoys.

>> No.1522965

>>1522956

Electro magnetic field around the ship that throws the heat radiation in the opposite direction to the ship trying to see you.

>> No.1522971

>>1522956
This guy is right. There is NO stealth in space. It's 100% impossible unless we invent something that can break all the rules.
See http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3w.html

>> No.1522974

>>1522965
>Electro magnetic field around the ship that throws the heat radiation in the opposite direction to the ship trying to see you.
I'm trying to have an adult conversation here. Go play with your toys outside, sweetie. Why does an "Electro magnetic field" redirect heat, without itself being laughably visible?

Captcha: conjures traumatic

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>>1522965
>Electro magnetic field around the ship that throws >the heat radiation in the opposite direction to the >ship trying to see you.

>> No.1522985

>>1522956
Insulate ship, heat pump heat away to a converter, beam energy gained from the heat out of the ship as a laser in another direction where they're looking.

>> No.1522983

>>1522956
A common /sci/ trolling topic is >stealth in space lol
I've had plenty of arguments to this effect here myself.

>> No.1522992

>>1522974

Lol trolled.

anyway guys. You never heard of cloaking? Just make it so all wavelengths of light bend aroundd you in such a way it appears nothing is there. Then use the built up heat energy from the engines etc to power the cloaking drive. Problem solved. MMeta materials to tthe rescue.

>> No.1522988

>>1522971
That's a neat web site. With the assumption that nobody in their right mind would use active sensors (gives away your location instantly), a few places would allow stealth. But they're oddball ones, like the smoke ring in Integral Trees, or maybe a fiendishly active nova. What you're looking for is a medium that diffuses and absorbs ship emissions. These places are extremely rare in space.

I'll talk about space stealth again in a bit, gotta get some food.

>> No.1523001

>>1522985
when you go back to middle school after summer holiday, ask your teacher what the second law of thermodynamics is.

>> No.1523006

>>1522985
lrn2thermodynamics

You obviously have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Get the fuck out.

>> No.1523007

>>1522983
I know it's a troll argument, but I have little else to do. And if they're going to set up the pins, it's so easy to knock them down.
>>1522985
>Insulate ship, heat pump heat away to a converter, beam energy gained from the heat out of the ship as a laser in another direction where they're looking.
First of all, any heat pump today usually generates 5 calories of heat for every 1 you pump uphill against a 50C difference. So if your "heat dispersal laser" is just 50C hotter than your crew quarters, it has to emit at least 5x the energy of the ship.

Secondly, you're somehow converting incoherent energy into heat loss. Expand upon this laser that "beams energy out of the ship," presumably cooling it off at the same time. C'mon, I'm waiting. And why is this completely different from that 'electro magnetic' thing? Aren't you the same person?

Admittedly, this is only fun when they pick a tenable position and defend it.

>> No.1523010

>>1523006
>>1523001
Thermodynamicalmind

Also samefag

>to distil

>> No.1523014

Even though 100% stealth isn't possible, there are clever tricks. It might be possible to store the heat in mass aboard the ship and jettison it, rather than use radiators (would be inefficient use of mass though). Either way they still see you but maybe can't line up a relativistic weapon shot in time.
If you can see the enemy ship, you could use only the heatsink on the opposite side of your ship so they can't see it. Etc, etc.

>> No.1523015

>>1522956
If that heat is emitted strategically then it can be masked. I'm not talking about total black out stealth, more camouflage. Sync your output with background radiation. Or, maneuver so a large energy source is always behind your. Or best yet, emit a huge pulse and the hidden in the "haze". Or, your could channel heat output into a heatsink and dispose of it periodically like a cartridge. Don't you have any imagination?

>> No.1523016

>>1523006

>> implying you know all about it

/sci/ is just trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls etc etc.

The sooner you all realise this the better.

>> No.1523028

>>1523016
Nope, I don't know all about it, but I know enough to know the guy I was responding to is a fucking retarded 7th grader.

>> No.1523037

>>1522992
>Lol trolled.
It makes me slightly sad when you people gobble cocks, spew blatantly false opinions, and call it trolling. Do you do this in real life? Try to hide your mistakes by yelling LOL I TROLL U?

>cloaking?
Have I ever heard of a magic thing that blocks electromagnetic radiation? No. Even the current ones just redirect it. But we already established that redirecting isn't enough. Do you have ultimate perfect knowledge of where the stealthed patrol boats are? No! So you don't know where to aim your heat.

>built up heat energy from the engines etc to power
No. This doesn't work. If you were paying attention you'd realize that light hitting the ship isn't the problem. Nobody has to look for occluded stars to see you, and no commander would waste a radar pulse to see you. You're a glowing point of 300K or more, and any idiot can see you with an IR telescope camera and find you in a few minutes unaided by any special techniques.

>Meta materials
These don't do what you think they do.

>> No.1523038

>>1523016
What the guy suggested was bullshit. You can't turn heat directly into electricity. You need a heat DIFFERENTIAL. Space doesn't work as the 'cold' part of the differential. So you couldn't just beam your heat away.
He does need to lrn2thermodynamix

>> No.1523040

>>1523016
> /sci/ is just trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls etc etc.

> The sooner you all realise this the better.

the sooner you realize this happens only because of /b/tards like you, the better.

>> No.1523044

ITT: About 4 guys who know what they are talking about trying to teach about 15 fucktards from the 7th grade that don't know a fucking thing about what they are talking about

>> No.1523045

>>1523037

umad.jpg

>> No.1523046

>>1523040
>implying there were ever serious /sci/entists around

(jumps phantasy)

>> No.1523048

>>1523044

ITT: You think you're smart for posting on an anonymous image board about stealth technology, even though likely it's you who is using fringe science and talking out of your ass.

>> No.1523055

OP here
I'm tired of listening to the Middle Schooler try to convince people that you can have stealth technology in space
"I set my hand on fire and it was fun", you have tried, but the kid is too fucking stupid to understand anything. I'll just delete the thread. Maybe the kid can ask his teacher after summer what thermodynamics is.