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How are your grad school applications doing this season? I got 1 PhD acceptance so far, so I'm pretty happy.

>> No.15206381

i did my phd application in 2011

>> No.15206386

>>15206376
>these kids

>> No.15206393

>>15206376
I got in with a single first authorship, rejected by 4 other colleges that were more prestigious, got 1 other accept, but the stipend was too low so w/e. It's sad af because I would've had 2-3 papers before applying, but I had really bad luck with a retarded reviewer. The paper that I had to resubmit to a lesser journal just broke 200 citations after only 3 years. Basically my career is fucked because some asshole professor gave my manuscript to his lowest IQ PhD student to review three and a half years ago.

Anyway, it's crazy how much things have changed with covid desperation, I'm flipping through CVs for my replacement and binning people who have more publications that I did.

>> No.15206428 [DELETED] 

>>15206386
people who are still in school are children, makes no difference if they're 30 years old.

>> No.15206429

>>15206386
>he wasn't a coauthor of a paper by 18
NGMI

>> No.15206435

>>15206429
You joke, but that happens quite a bit. Part nepotism, part their incessant whiny emails to professors.
Don't underestimate your whininess. Especially when you're applying to become free labor.

>> No.15206786

>>15206435
He's not joking idiot. Most kids from an academic family have a paper by 18. Maybe it's partly nepotism to get in, but they also gave up their summers to work for i.t

>> No.15206903

>>15206386
University is kinderkarten for adult spastic autismos

Imagine the smell of a PhD candidate creature, that does nothing but write pages and pages his thesis that eventually nobody reads, not even his superviser.

Lmao

>> No.15206916

>>15206393
Getting into a PhD program is pure luck. You probably lost to someone else with a first authorship in a coin toss.

>> No.15206926

Apply to the same institution that awarded you a bachelor's. They can't reject you without opening themselves up to a lawsuit.

>> No.15207027

>>15206376
Imagine going further into debt for a PhD

>> No.15207280

>>15207027
imagine applying to a phd program that isn't fully funded

>> No.15207287

Does anyone have any tips for how to choose which offer to accept?

>> No.15207288

>>15207287
whichever school has the professor you most want to work under

>> No.15207292

>>15207288
All of them have at least one who seems very good, but I don't know how to rank them.

>> No.15207312

>>15207292
then start weighing other variables. where would you rather move to. do you prefer urban or rural university. etc.

>> No.15207313

>>15207287
Dont go to a Phd unless its new research you can immediately use in industry. Then it might be worth millions and you may be the most qualified person on earth on that single topic.

>> No.15207328

applied to 7 programs last year, no word yet.
no publications. been working at a photonics research firm for a year as a research assistant and have a ton of fab/characterization experience, so hopefully that does some heavy lifting.
kind of losing hope but thats okay :)

>> No.15207351

>>15206916
Yeah he did, but the faggot still has only like 2-4 citations to this day. I think he's out of the game which just makes the whole thing even more wasted. At least I have a great postdoc lined up, literally the best group in my field, but I'm so far behind in my reputation I might as will quit and try to claw into industry too.

>> No.15207356

>>15206926
That's not true at all. If you have a 4.0 they will take you for sure though, but it's a very bad career move.

>> No.15207361

>>15207328
At this point try to apply through your record not blind.

>> No.15207362

Wait you need to have written a paper that wasnt just a master thesis to get into Phd? What the fuck

>> No.15207365

>>15207362
Yes, especially any worthwhile programme. Stop being lazy.

>> No.15207367

>>15207365
Im not lazy, i decided to work for a year before applying to any Phds, i thought that would be enough of an edge. Although i have a feeling you niggas be looking for very prestigious unis and phd studies like physics. I want to do a phd in built environment/archicture, but if im not accepted into the phd im fine with it, it would be fun but not necessary

>> No.15207369

>>15207361
what?

>> No.15207377

>>15207367
>i decided to work for a year before applying to any Phds, i thought that would be enough of an edge.
I did the same, but I did it because I was desperate for money to help my fiancee. It's actually extremely disadvantageous to work, I don't know who the fuck convinced you it would give you "an edge" lol. In academia the faster you get your PhD the more respected you are. Leaving academia at any point is seen as giving up.
>Although i have a feeling you niggas be looking for very prestigious unis and phd studies like physics. I want to do a phd in built environment/archicture, but if im not accepted into the phd im fine with it, it would be fun but not necessary
Tbh I don't know your field, but sounds like it's completely unneeded and frivolous for you to do.

In general /sci/ shit only applies to science, math, CS and (real) engineering though.

>> No.15207379

>>15207369
Sorry weird autocorrect. Apply through your network. Even old Profs if you current job doesn't have good contacts.

>> No.15207389

>>15207379
well one of the profs that wrote a rec letter for me emailed a couple contacts at some uni’s, which was nice of him. i also applied to the school whose clean room my work uses, and i think a lot of the profs there are familiar with the company, for better or for worse. i also applied to the uni that one of my superiors is a prof at.
i dont know, we’ll see, i got industry options if it doesnt work out but ill feel like such a fuckin failure. lifes hard.

>> No.15207392

I have a PhD in neuroscience and it's the biggest regret of my life.
Do not fall for this.

>> No.15207395

>>15207392
what do you imagine your life would be like if you hadnt gone for that PhD?

>> No.15207397

>>15206786
Doesn't matter what you did. What matters is what you can do. This is just midwit accomplishment faggotry because they have no innate intelligence so they feel the need to back up what they've done.

>> No.15207409

>>15206376
Congratulations anon! You should be proud, that’s a big accomplishment.
I’m too stuck in the world of industry, mortgages, and family to go back to school; but hopefully one day! I miss learning and research.

>> No.15207421

>>15207377
To be specific, the phd program im applying to has the goal to study aerosols, ventilation and various other things that impact the spread of viruses indoors. The general theme is indoor comfort and safety. They say CFd and programming is used heavily.
You are right that its frivolous, im not doing it for any other reason than i find this topic and general area (which I've worked with now for a year) very interesting and enjoyable

>> No.15207449

>>15207287
Highest ranking on US News

that's the only thing that matters, seriously

>> No.15207461

>>15206376
That's crazy. In 2001 they were begging kids to go to grad school. Writing sample? WTF?

>> No.15207466

>>15206376
Just how many jaws does this person have!?

>> No.15207467

>>15207328
If you already have a job in the field, what would a higher degree do for you besides sacrifice at least 4 years of earning potential?

>> No.15207477

>>15207421
Dont do it then, its a really bad reason to do a PhD. Find something else.
If you do this while knowing its bad for you just because you pretend you like it you are acting with low impulse control like some drug addict or gambling addict. Another analogy is that you are like these army recruits that have seen 100 "war is hell" and "veteran down on his luck" movies and still sign up because they want to feel manly despite being 100% aware its bad for them. You are that kind of low class scummy person.

>> No.15207485

>>15207389
Damn, very generous of him. I think you will get something hopefully.

>> No.15207486

>>15207392
Elaborate please.

>> No.15207488

>>15207397
It's proof of what they can do, not just what they've done.

>> No.15207502

>>15207477
>If you do this while knowing its bad for you just because you pretend you like it you are acting with low impulse control like some drug addict or gambling addict.
NTA, but Woah.

>> No.15207506

>>15207421
I went to grad school because I enjoyed the subject (chemistry). I had a really enjoyable time in grad school. I kinda wish I could just keep going desu. And then I graduated and did a postdoc which was kinda like staying in grad school, except once that grant was over and the proposal my PI and I submitted didn't get funded, that was it. I was out looking for a job in industry with no good prospects. Now I have a job not in my specialty and doesn't even require a PhD. So monetarily, it was a huge waste of my life. If you're making good money now, I suggest you stay away from grad school.

>> No.15207507

>>15207421
>To be specific, the phd program im applying to has the goal to study aerosols, ventilation and various other things that impact the spread of viruses indoors. The general theme is indoor comfort and safety. They say CFd and programming is used heavily.
This is rediculously technical for what I thought your field was. If you see it as something that would benefit your industry I say go for it though. Some people who were trailblazers in setting standards end up getting paid millions to give a single day's workshop at a company.

You're taking a huge financial risk though just be aware. It's very hard to get a job as a PhD holder.

>> No.15207510

>>15206786
>Muh 1 dollar ""paper"" in gender studies, history and other bullshit

>> No.15207515

>>15207461
For my PhD position I had to pass 5 rounds of interview which included a "mini research paper" of 10 pages of simulation results in the second round, plus a 40 min presentation on my Masters work.

We're forced into this shit because of the flood of idiotic foreigners who think that they can use gradschool as a visa loophole.

>> No.15207522

>>15207510
No, it's typically a Q1 paper relevant to the field of study. Not hard to get a RA at a lab if you know someone there to boost your kids' career.

>> No.15207531

>>15207506
Chemistryfags are always the most depressing. How many papers did you have? We need to know so can aim higher. I chemist who got something in between a postdoc and a private R&D role with 4 papers he seems comfy.

>> No.15207537

>>15207515
Wow. I had a BS. Took the GRE. Did pretty good on it, but not super awesome or anything. Applied. No writing, no interviews. Just about every school would fly you out for a tour as if you were interviewing them. And then they would sell themselves to you. This was my experience in 2001 looking at grad schools for chem in the US.

>> No.15207547

>>15207506
at least you have a job. i also have a job i could've gotten without the phd

>> No.15207548

>>15207537
Yeah, not like that anymore. Tbf this position paid relatively well for a PhD postion. There were a few places I applied to that only asked for grades/GRE/letters/CV+list of pubs, but I never got into any of them.

>> No.15207555

>>15207531
Hmm. After graduating it took another year for a couple of the papers to finally get published (my boss was kinda slow with this), but IIRC, I had my name on 6 papers, 2 of which I was first author. None of them were groundbreaking or anything. They were in B-tier journals, I'd say, not JACS or anything like that.

I wasn't doing organic synthesis though. Those guys will be lucky to have 2 papers when they graduate. Analytical fags can have 10. Some work just takes longer than others. I was doing inorganic/organometallic synthesis and some nano-material stuff.

>> No.15207560

>>15207547
>at least you have a job
Yes, sir. And I am thankful to have it. I went a few months without one and that was scary.

>> No.15207561

>>15207377
>In academia the faster you get your PhD the more respected you are
Really? I never got this impression. There are just some instances when people took 9-10 years to graduate that make me wonder WTF happened.

>> No.15207562

>>15207547
>>15207506
There basically isn't such a thing as a job you need a PhD for except for some extremely rare mostly computational roles, but even then it's always a temp contract unless you garner enough temps in the same place that they just hire you full time. To stay in the research game without tenure it's always getting new grants and temp contract hell, with fewer and fewer positions for the latter as you get older and they squeeze you out.

That being said, if you do well you will get hired in private labs and do soulless industrial research or even break into management especially if you have an engineering background. Whatever you do work and build a good reputation in some valuable field, you can make it.

>> No.15207564

>>15207561
Absolutely, and it's age bound too. I found this out too late.

>> No.15207569

>>15207477
I'm not saying its bad, i'm saying its frivolous in the sense that the investment doesnt necessarily make my earning potential higher. But I would assume, doing a huge thing like a Phd, might open up all kinds of avenus I've never even thought of. Working in a different country, working in an industry i never imagined i'd end up in, meeting someone who changes my life, etc. If you were to ask me if I do the phd to get a higher salary at this current company im at to make it monetarily worth it, i'd guess no, even though the section i work at do a lot of quite special assignments as consultants
>>15207506
This is one of the reasons i went to get a job first, I feel I am in a very indemand field right now (building simulations and CFd, energy simulation, daylight simulation, etc) and have gotten sufficiently good contacts to be set for life. Actually my plan if I do decide to apply for phd and am lucky enough to be accepted is to work part time on the hour where im at now to make some more cash and continue gathering experience. Not sure how realistic that is though. I imagine in very heavy phds like physics and maths you wouldnt have much time to do that.
>>15207507
For sure it would make me more in demand and I could take on some very special assignments for say example special buildings like hospitals, bath houses, subways etc. But I feel I could get there without a phd aswell. You can read my previous replies for more about my reasoning
>huge financial risk
Im in sweden so phds get paid fairly well here anyways

>> No.15207574

>>15207467
its complicated. my job isnt a real job, its all contract work so i could very quickly and suddenly not have a job. and if i wanted another job as a research scientist it would be hard with only a bachelors. the only reason i have the job i do now is because the stars aligned and one of my professors got me in, but its not happening again. if i get nothing back from grad schools im going into VLSI (with the help of another professor, funnily enough).
>>15207485
i hope so, but im pretty sure im not terribly competitive.

>> No.15207577

>>15207569
>Not sure how realistic that is though.
I know a lot of people that have tried it, they never finish.

>> No.15207583

>>15207574
>its all contract work so i could very quickly and suddenly not have a job.
I fucking hate the modern job market so goddamned much. No one wants to hire full time anymore.

>> No.15207589

>>15207577
What type of phds did they do though? Again I think not every phd has the same workload

>> No.15207593

>>15207589
Engineering mostly, but also one girl who did food science.

>> No.15207596

>>15207593
Any idea how much they had to study per week? Is it more intense than masters?

>> No.15207600

>>15207583
its not all their fault, its a small company and theyre funded by government grants/projects. cant blame uncle sam for not wanting to bankroll some unless quantum shit.

>> No.15207602

>>15207600
>unless
useless

>> No.15207604

PhD is just cheap labor and as a matter of fact, most people do not finish their PhDs and only a quarter of those who finish will go on and work in a related field as postdocs etc.

>> No.15207607

>>15207596
PhDs usually don't have any coursework especially if you finished a Masters. Honestly from what you've told me you would basically be doing your day job, plus a literature review, then writing 3 rigorous reports on it and calling it papers.

The workload in the end depends on how innovative you. They hand out PhDs pretty easily if you just spam enough work though.

>> No.15207611

>>15207574
Do you have PI eligibility in your position? If you tell your advisor you want to write a proposal. You can self-sustain by getting a grant funded every 2-3 years, which will also help to convince the university to allow you to teach.

>> No.15207615

>>15207607
Well my idea is, as I said, do a bunch of literature reading, get in contact with knowledgeable people, do experiments (which is explicitly stated in the Phd application site), and work at the same time. But i really honestly have no idea how much work load is involved. I actually thought every Phd involves coursework, even if you have a masters?

>> No.15207622

>>15207569
>I'm not saying its bad, i'm saying its frivolous in the sense that the investment doesnt necessarily make my earning potential higher
It is bad in that precise sense

>> No.15207623

>>15207615
Nobody knows especially if you are an experimentalist. I've seen PhD students write an entire dissertation based on 3 months of work - after 4 years of failure after failure.

>> No.15207629

>>15207622
You didnt read the rest of my post. It is impossible to tell what something like a phd would entail.
>>15207623
What do you mean by failure exactly? Failure in what? Coursework?

I forgot to add that my current boss is actually a doctor himself, he is really what has inspired me to go for it aswell. He's such a knowledgeable guy and expert in the field, he is the go to guy for so many people to fix their problems in their own construction projects

>> No.15207633

>>15207611
im not sure i understand. i’m a student, but my job is in industry, not academia.

>> No.15207642

>>15207629
>It is impossible to tell what something like a phd would entail
Amazing how a scientist goes through life believing he can predict the motion of planets but just shrugs and mutters "IDK man who cares" when asked why he does anything in his own life

>> No.15207648

>>15207607
What you're describing is basically how a PhD works in most of the world. The US is a bit different.

For what it's worth, while three papers is often considered standard, many universities don't have a formal requirement of publishing. I got completely fucked over by PI fuckups which I had no agency over, so ended up having only one first authorship by the end of my PhD (with a second one in preparation and around six co-authorships).

A general tip for anons is to try and get contacts to leverage when applying. It's very hard to stand out among the 700 bloated CVs that good groups receive. However, people who are good on paper may be mediocre in reality so hiring based on an interview and CV alone is Russian roulette. What will give you an edge is if the PI knows you're competent, either directly or through someone they know. Ideally this is what your masters or summer research will provide.

>> No.15207649

>>15207642
Wait, you think predicting the motions of planet is as hard as predicting motion of life?

>> No.15207653

>>15207629
Failure as in running experiments, and getting results that turned out to be not useful either because of undetected problems and sloppy problems with experimental setup, or running with a line of reasoning that was theoretically flawed in the first place.

>> No.15207663

>>15207653
Oh I see… yea funnily enough my master thesis (i know those are jokes but still) ended up the same way. It followed the basic premise of scientific method. Me and my advisor had a hypothesis, and basically I think i didnt have enough time to fully develop the method to solve the problem and my paper was basically just a giant ”i failed and there is nothing of usefulness here” kek. I left having learned a shit ton in the process, way more than the year and a half i did coursework in the master, but still it felt a bit empty after that. I can only imagine how much it must suck when people have invested in you

>> No.15207668

>>15207648
3 may not be a requirement, but it's essential to actually breaking into a research career, that's why good PIs will hold you back until you get it. Graduating with 1 is basically a death sentence. Not that this applies to you though, 6 co-authorships is pretty good, it counts for more than you think. If you get your second published then also put a title of a third manuscript on your CV (even if you never plan to write it) it will be pretty strong depending on the IF of those papers.

In general if you have to apply it's RIP though. The best is to try and carve a position with your PI at a new institute.

>> No.15207671

>>15207668
Dumb question (not him) but whats a PI?

>> No.15207681

>>15207671
Principal investor: the dude who holds the funding, usually a professor, postdoc or other permanent faculty.

>> No.15207688

>>15207681
Where does the faculty/professor get the money from? I thought its mostly from companies

>> No.15207691

>>15207681
Principal Investigator, rather. It's usually understood that as a PI you have your own group, even if it's very small. PIs are not necessarily permanent faculty or full professors. Postdocs are not faculty and are generally in someone else's group. Postdocs may have external funding for themselves, but generally not a proper grant and appointment to set up a research group.

>> No.15207697

>>15207668
I'm already a postdoc, got the position and started before I had formally received my PhD. My previous group (which had multiple PIs in a slightly unusual manner) was very large and I had a good reputation within it, so despite the lacking publications I got a position with someone I knew indirectly.

>> No.15207700

>>15207688
grants, etc. from companies and nonprofits and wealthy alumni. Regular operating budgets from tuition and so on.

>> No.15207708

>>15207688
All over. Public grants (from various public funding agencies) are the most prestigious because it usually allows you to investigate more ambitious or fundamental ideas. Industry grants are usually about developing a model/product/process that they can't do in-house, these are kinda boring, but they help keep the lights on. The best PIs source funding from all over. Then there are also many labs that make most of their money from their own royalties of IP they developed and/or sold. These are not as prestigious to work at, but the smartest and richest people in research usually run these places and the successful ones are seen as the best of the best, even tenured professors will kneel to them.

The model of running a pure research company is sadly dying though, as China simply steals IP so you have to try and manufacture things cheaply.

>> No.15207709

>>15207708
>as China simply steals IP so you have to try and manufacture things cheaply.
When you thought the Chinese couldn't get any more based.

>> No.15207710

>>15207688
There's a multitude of funding bodies to apply for. Ultimately the money can come from governments, the university itself, private endowments/funds, and companies just to name a few.

>> No.15207711

>>15207691
>Investigator
Yeah sorry for the typo, phoneposters, including myself, should be shot on sight.

>>15207691
>Postdocs may have external funding for themselves, but generally not a proper grant and appointment to set up a research group
Great postdocs (or second postdocs) do have something in between though if they manage to garner enough funding to support a big group.

>> No.15207716

>>15207709
Ricedicks are very good at stealing it's true, but it's also the reason their research scene never properly matured and now their demographic crisis will hit before they have a chance to build it up properly.

>> No.15207718

>>15207697
Nice, yeah you're gonna make it Anon.

>> No.15207724

>>15207356
On the contrary. It's a backup plan and a great move compared to the alternative ofno PhD

>> No.15207748

>>15207708
pure research company is dead also because large companies have increasingly moved from buying IP and nurturing it themselves to buying former startups that have demonstrated some degree of commercial success. Industrial pure research still happens, but much more siloed in startups instead. This is a route that is much more justifiable for the shareholders.

There are also smaller pure research companies that rely on gov funding like SBIRS. I consider those to be zombies that rarely produce anything useful.

>> No.15207820

Why did I just spend 8 years of my life getting a piece of paper that provides literally nothing of value to society? I can teach now. What I'm teaching is other people to teach. What they are teaching is teaching other people to teach. I am a parasite in a system that will collapse soon. We are all going to die.

>> No.15207838

>>15207724
No PhD is usually better than a bad PhD. A bachelors in Eng/tech is worth far more than mediocre PhD in the same field due to the latter being overqualified for lucrative postions and not competative enough for research positions.

>> No.15207929

Does anyone care where I did my PhD/postdoc? Is it just the advisor/group or does institution cred count for anything?

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15208038

have an image wordcel fags

>> No.15208039

A professor emailed me a few days ago asking to set up an interview, I emailed back, and he hasn't replied at all yet. Should I send him another email? Just wait? Did he move on to a different candidate?

>> No.15208045

>>15207649
You have a general attitude of "IDK man who cares" like you use the uncertainty of the future as an excuse to not plan anything or disregard advice because anything goes

>> No.15208046

>>15207716
This is why USians are retarded. their upcoming educated cohort is dramatically larger and of higher quality than their current one.

>> No.15208050

>>15208039
call him, in my country i just knock on their doors

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15208054

>level of knowledge
more like the level of exploitation

>> No.15208068

>>15206786
Anything to justify your failure, bud.

>> No.15208487

>>15207362
lol do you don't

>> No.15208532

>>15207362
>>15207367
Most people here are probably STEM. But at least in STEM, if you are aiming for a top school, being a co-author really helps because you will be competing against a large number of people who have names on papers and they'll have >3.9 GPA.

Working is fine and many profs will think that's a good thing actually because it shows you are coming back to a Ph.D. rather than just doing it because it's the only thing to do, and you may have technical skills which they like. But research experience is still the name of the game in stem-- you're actually applying for a research assistantship in a way.

>> No.15208591

>>15206376
What goes through the mind of someone tweeting this?

>> No.15208689

>>15207929
Both count. Sadly even professors who have won Nobel prizes etc. seem to completely overrate media prestigious universities. The group is definitely more important than the university though.

>> No.15208694

>>15208487
This, a couple of genuinely good letters will take you farther than a couple of routine publications.

>> No.15208856

>>15208045
You think I have an attitude of ”i dont care whatever man” when ive given plenty of reasons throughout the thread. Fuck off

>> No.15211091

Whats really amazing is being black and applying for a PhD it's worth way more

>> No.15211174

>>15206376
Turned in one, have two more before the end of the month, then another in March. I wish there was more time in the world to do them and schoolwork at the same time, so I'm cutting back on board/internetz browsing. My mood's improved since doing so, for whatever reason.
>>15207392
Why would you regret that? Do you not actually like neuroscience?

>> No.15211261

>>15211174
Weren't they mostly due around December-mid January at the latest?

>> No.15212260

>>15211261
Planning Masters
I know (We) need to find programs of interest on our own, but I really wish schools would send out reminders like "Most schools want your applications in by December", etc. Once the pandemic started, my school made it impossible to un-enroll from extra program fees like Women's Support, so I'd expect them to provide me with something of value.
>inb4 "you're not taking advantage of resources"
Unless you're paying for a proper class in something (ex.: essay writing), you're stuck with basic staff who tell you to do what you think is best.

>> No.15212267

>>15206381
grandpa

>> No.15212413

>>15208046
People who say USian are retarded. I don't even understand why South Americans who complain about colonialism even want to be called American. What did Amerigo Vespucci (if that's even what the Americas are named after) ever do for them?

>> No.15212484

PhDs are the WORST option for your career unless you come from a highly privileged and rich background or are an immigrant. They're literally the playgrounds of the intellectual children of wealthy families. The only people I know who hold doctorates that don't come from this caste are either former military or immigrants.

You're literally wasting 5 years minimum of time that could be spent in the industry (while you easily pick a masters on the side). It's a very dangerous gamble with your career unless you're coming from money.

>>15207280
Imagine making peanuts in a PhD program and not paying off your student debt

>> No.15212517

>>15207574
>its complicated. my job isnt a real job, its all contract work so i could very quickly and suddenly not have a job. and if i wanted another job as a research scientist it would be hard with only a bachelors.
Are you me? I'm in IRAD and want to boost my credentials to increase my job security and gain new skills.

>> No.15213771

>>15206376
family member failed to get into a neuroscience PhD (fresh graduate with zero research and meh GPA, of course they got rejected), so they went into a neuroscience masters

finishing up their masters this year. their own alma mater rejected them this cycle but they got an acceptance out of state with full tuition and stipend, so all is good

>> No.15214003

>>15213771
>their own alma mater rejected them
Jfc

>> No.15214037

>>15212484
I worked in industry out of school for years and at the end of it my feeling was that I wasted all that time. I picked up technical skills but after a point that was it. In the end, a Ph.D. will probably be a wash financially if not a minor burden, but that's not really what you should be pursuing a Ph.D. for. You only have one life to live.

>> No.15214132

>>15206429
>>15206786
>I was raised in a family of non-acedmics
>had to go through college during the virtual learning never-see-your-professor bullshit
I'm 19 and I've never even done any fucking research, time to kill myself

>> No.15214138

phd's are fucking useless and a waste of time unless you are a physician/surgeon
just write papers in you own fucking time you retards, you don't need papa steinberg to circle jerk you

>> No.15214214

>>15214138
home lab is eggsbensive

>> No.15215149

>>15214132
isn't 19 literally first year
get over yourself

>> No.15215154

>>15214132
You'll be alright Anon. Do whatever you can to get an URA, beg your professors, send e-mails to private labs. This is what I did with zero family contacts and I got a first authorship out before applying to gradschool.

>> No.15215179

>>15214138
>unless you are a physician/surgeon

still a waste of time
academic medicine rapes your potential earnings

>> No.15215182

>>15212517
i hope it works out for you, anon. hopefully at least one of us are gonna make it.
what field? im in photonics.
>>15214138
>brb calling home depot to get a quote on that XRD machine and PLD chamber

>> No.15215233

>>15214138
>just write papers in you own fucking time you retards
sure, as long as i still get a stipend

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>>15215182
>i hope it works out for you, anon. hopefully at least one of us are gonna make it.
We will. There's enough dead weight in academia. We just have to prioritize research.

>what field
Distributed robotics.

>> No.15215503

>>15206376
I got accepted to MITs Chemistry PhD program out of undergrad with no publications and only a few months of research experience. Anything's possible bros

>> No.15216464

>>15215503
what race are you?

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>>15215503
Congrats, anon.

>> No.15216550

>>15216464
was going to ask the same thing

>> No.15216614

>>15216464
>>15216550
Master race. I checked the white box and the hispanic box if you must know.

>> No.15216621

>>15206376
Imagine doing a PhD in 2023

>> No.15217427

>>15207515
>idiotic foreigners who think that they can use gradschool as a visa loophole.
Whoa anon wherever might they have gotten that idea? But seriously, people here realize that's what American STEM programs are at this point right? It's literally just a way to recruit third world indentured servant labor.

>> No.15217541

>>15206376
Graduate school is for chumps. I also hope you have an RA instead of a TA as well. Nothing is worse than babysitting biz and english students who aren't interested in your subject at all.

>> No.15217590

>>15217541
How about a computer lab class where you teach "Math For Liberal Arts Majors" and have to enter the password (which changes weekly) for each computer manually so they can take the quiz online and half of them have browser related problems so you are doing both IT and TAing and then at the end of class you can look forward to doing it again several more times that day.

>> No.15217610

>>15217590
That sounds even worse.

>> No.15217689

>>15217427
No they are not, that majority go home. The point is academic exchange, not to bypass work visas.

>> No.15217787

>>15206376
from my experience, ugrads are fucking retarded. even the hard working ones.

>> No.15220331

>>15206786
Yoshua Bengio's son has a paper with him in high school.
One of the mathematician in my country who got a Field medal was born into a family of professor and got educated one-on-one by university professors since birth.
Nepotism run rampant in the upper circle and you, if you were born into lower classes, will never get in.

>> No.15220335

>>15216614
>hispanic
congrat on your diversity admission spic anon

>> No.15220409

This is how my PhD is going
>prof: anon, try to do this provably impossible thing for the next paper
>me: that won't work because x,y,z
>prof: well keep trying, i'm sure something will work, I thought about this ten years ago and it seemed like a good idea so do it
>me: what about these completely possible and publishable things that are related to what you want
>prof: no those all seem stupid because I didn't think of them myself
thanks for reading my blog

>> No.15220425

I got accepted to a top 5 ECE phd program with zero research experience and no academic references or relevant work experience or internships as a white guy

>> No.15220434

>>15220425
congrat on privileged admission whitetard anon
the only ones discriminated against are asians

>> No.15220439

>>15220434
also, fucking asian male
if you are an asian female, you'll get in with 0 papers and research experience. you just need to be not retarded enough to write a decent SOP

>> No.15220453

>>15220439
>>15220434
no one cares chang

>> No.15220469

I'm a stupid biology undergrad who knows nothing and I'm interested in research. Everyone and their grandmother tells me to stay out of academia because it's too crowded and apparently no one gets accepted into a PhD if they didn't get a recommendation letter from the fucking president and you end up slaving away for 5 years before spending 10 years doing postdocs and yadda yadda yadda.

Give it to me plain and simple. I can handle the truth. Is industry that much better these days? Am I destined to a life of despair and regret if I dare try and get a doctorate?

>> No.15220472

>>15220469
will you regret it if you don't do it? if not, then it's probably not for you. If yes, then do it. I left undergrad knowing I wanted to go to grad school but I had military commitment already, so now I'm getting my PhD at 31

>> No.15220481

>>15220331
Yes, I will get my children in though.

>> No.15221853

>>15206376
I honestly never understood PhD selections.
I am 26 and last year I had this idea of applying for a PhD because I was getting bored in the company I was working for.

I found a PhD in cybersecurity and applied, they asked me to send the CV and the list of exams I gave with scores as well. They replied that my knowledge about cybersecurity is too low for the position.
I got my master degree with a GPA of 3.8, I work as a security engineer for the biggest bank in my country (one of the richest place in Europe), and I have a shit tons of certifications. Still, what this people cared about was how many exams I took 3 years ago and why my score in non-cybersec exams was not max.

Maybe it was better so, friend of mine who is pursuing a PhD in the same country makes half of my salary, to be honest he told me not to apply.

>> No.15221875

>>15221853
>I honestly never understood
>I am 26
>never
how how long has the topic been on your mind? a few months or weeks? give it enough time and i'm sure you'll figure it all out, i trust you, you're a big guy

>> No.15222132

>>15221875
Looks like you don't have the answer either, big boy