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Coldest temperature of all time recorded last night
https://nypost.com/2023/02/04/mount-washington-as-cold-as-mars-as-polar-vortex-brings-record-breaking-windchills-of-110/
>New Hampshire’s Mount Washington felt more like Mars than planet Earth on Friday as wind chills dipped below an unfathomable minus 110 degrees, a new record for the coldest wind chill ever recorded in the US.
>Known for having some of the world’s worst weather, Mount Washington saw air temperatures plummet to minus 46 degrees
>The coldest air temperature ever recorded at the observatory was -47 degrees in 1934, according to the National Weather Service.

>> No.15178283

>>15178277
Yes, global warming causes the earth to get colder.

>> No.15178294

>>15178283
Is that official IPCC policy?

>> No.15178304

>>15178294
Yes, the IPCC says that weather patterns are caused by global warming.

>> No.15178308

>>15178304
So if it gets cold it's caused by global warmng. uhuh
What happens if it gets hotter?

>> No.15178311

>>15178308
That's global cooling

>> No.15178343

>windchill
Duplicitous measurement that has only been recorded as official for the past 20 years. The actual temperature has been colder, and so too we can assume the windchill.

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>>15178283
>Yes, global warming causes the earth to get colder.
LMAO!
Good one. That will make the climate cult people Reeeeeeee! Some will probably try to say it's true! "Warming = Colder!" LMAO!

>> No.15178384

>>15178277
Habitability of Mars confirmed. Better climatic conditions than Washington confirmed. Regressive doomers btfo.

>> No.15179093

ice age incoming
you can see it in the sunspot counts

>> No.15179317

watch mt washington set new cold records live, currently -46ºF and still dropping
https://www.mountwashington.org/experience-the-weather/current-summit-conditions.aspx

>> No.15179391

>global warming is the consistent and gradual increase in global temperature
>with global warming comes volatile, extreme weather
>record low temperatures are to be expected in the coming years
>record high temperatures are to be also expected
>consequently the variance in temperature must also increase
>incidentally our measurements and models are getting more accurate
>we can model and project long term trends in spite of this increased variance!
climatologists are grifters and need to face the consequences

>> No.15179401

>>15178277
Global warming means that the average global temperatures are rising, it doesn't mean that it's impossible to get very cold winters sometimes.

>> No.15179444

>>15178277
>>15178283
>>15178294
>>15178304
>>15178308
https://archived.moe/sci/thread/15079368

>> No.15179452

>>15179401
This, essentially.
Furthermore, Arctic sea ice decline has been linked to more intense winters in the Northern Hemisphere years ago.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1114910109

>We conclude that the recent decline of Arctic ice has played a critical role in recent cold and snowy winters.
>The results of this study add to an increasing body of both observational and modeling evidence that indicates diminishing Arctic sea ice plays a critical role in driving recent cold and snowy winters over large parts of North America, Europe, and east Asia.

>> No.15179458

>>15179401
>Global warming means that the average global temperatures are rising, it doesn't mean that it's impossible to get very cold winters sometimes.
it's not "sometimes", winters are getting more extreme and that cant be explained in a globe earth without some serious mental gymnastics

>> No.15179460

>>15179452
>artic sea ice decline makes intense winters
>this doesnt cool down earth tho and global warming still happens for reasons

>> No.15179466

>>15178277
we call it "Climate Change" nowadays Sweatie

>> No.15179467

>>15179460
Pretty much. Regional weather events don't really change the planet's total energy budget.

>> No.15179469

>>15178311
>>15178283
Fact checked by the Ministry of Truth.gov

trust the speed of science!

>> No.15179470

>>15179466
>we call it "Climate Change" nowadays Sweatie
Actually, that's a Nazi dogwhistle meant to discredit weather research, chud. We call it "catastrophic manmade weather variability".

>> No.15179471

>>15179458
>it's not "sometimes", winters are getting more extreme
You mean extremely hot? It's been at least two years since new years eve has basically spring weather in Europe

>> No.15179472

>>15179467
ands that's why we need to eat the bugs, live in pods and require a permit to have children right?

>> No.15179483

>>15179472
Yes, chud. Your days of nazi speech are over. It's a climate emergency and that means my government can do whatever it wants with you.

>> No.15179484

>>15179472
Not him but, requiring a permit to have children is a good thing though.

>> No.15179487
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>Not him but, requiring a permit to have children is a good thing though.
These "people" are basically begging to be castrated by their handlers at this point.

>> No.15179488

>>15179484
if it stops single mother ghetto welfare queens from plopping our more ghetto criminal babies, than its a good thing

>> No.15179496

>>15179488
>>15179484
>sorry sir but since you and your wife are majority-minority, that is, white, you will have to go to the end of the waiting list since there are at least 10 more BIPOC couples waiting for approval on their 3rd child
>in the mean time you should get your "fertility booster" as usual

>> No.15179505

>>15179496
As long as you don't let the globohomos get control of it. It's supposed to be about eugenics.

>> No.15179508

>>15179505
>as long as you don't let the globohomos get control over their own agenda that they're shilling in countries they already control

>> No.15179509

>>15179508
Then counter them with your own policies.
I don't see your point. It's like saying nuclear energy is bad because Chernobyl happened.

>> No.15179510

>>15179509
Countering them would involve slaughtering you.

>> No.15179512

>>15179510
How come? Are you Muslim or something?

>> No.15179513

>>15179512
>How come?
Because you are the tool they use to exert their influene on real people.

>> No.15179514

>>15179513
I could say much the same for you. You want more retards like you around, is that why you're afraid of eugenics? Or you're shilling for something else?

>> No.15179515

>>15179514
You can shit out whatever rhetoric you want but I'm not the one openly shilling for their depopulation agenda, so it stands that you need to be shot to stop them and not me.

>> No.15179518

>>15179515
Let me try to understand. You think overpopulation is good?

>> No.15179519

>>15179518
There is no such thing as "overpopulation". Either way, I just want your handlers to push a little harder. We need to accelerate this thing so that it implodes and real people can start taking care of you and your likes.

>> No.15179523

>>15179519
>the mostly peaceful demonstration that burned down half the city and killed or injured many people
newthink dictionary authors get the rope

>> No.15179524

>>15179519
>There is no such thing as "overpopulation".
This is something only said by low-value humans. Because low-value humans know that once populations grow to unsustainable levels, they are no longer viewed as lovable and deserving of protection, but rather a burden.

I suggest raising your stats if you ever want to increase your value. Study up more and have a more well-formed view of the world.

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>>15179523
I like how you keep trying to invert reality and attribute the words and agendas of your globohomo handlers to me. No matter. A good portion of the population no longer considers shills like you to be human or to have any human rights.

>> No.15179528

>>15179524
You are not human. You have no human rights or legitimate legal protection. You only have globohomo psychopaths using armed thugs to keep you safe. Better pray they stay in power forever, because when they lose their grip, you will be begging to die.

>> No.15179529

>>15179525
You're responding to the wrong guy there faggot.
This >>15179518 and this >>15179524 are me.

>> No.15179531

>>15179528
>You are not human.
And you are? You sound barely conscious. I almost wonder if you're simply a bot producing AI-generated responses.

>You have no human rights or legitimate legal protection.
This has always been true, of every human, everywhere and for all time. Wake up lmao.

>> No.15179537

>>15179531
Tick-tock. Tick-tock. You know what happens to "people" like you when their handlers lose their power.

>> No.15179541

>>15179537
Lol, seems like you've got nothing else to argue with. I'm amazed that you make this much of a fuss about your beliefs, yet can't defend them worth a cent. Though, what else should I expect from a bot.
Come back if you've got something worth my time. Until then, have fun tuning your AI algorithms.

>> No.15179543

>>15179541
Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Make sure you post your anti-human globohomo propaganda under your real name.

>> No.15179550

>>15179543
Why on Earth would I give a bot my name? You first.

Let's see how many times you respond with Tick Tock by the way. Are you gonna do it again, bot?

>> No.15179552 [DELETED] 

>>15179550
I didn't ask you to give you my name, drone.

>> No.15179554

>>15178283
Yes, in general global warming does create more extreme weather patterns

Colder winters, warmer summers. Real bummer

See plants don't enjoy having to swap between extremes a lot. A lot of deserts are deserts because they get extremely cold at night.

>> No.15179556

>>15179550
I didn't ask you to give me your name, drone. Tick-tock. Tick-tock. You know what will happen when your handlers aren't there to protect you.

>> No.15179557

>>15179552
>I didn't ask you to give you my name,
Your language module is failing. Better tune up that AI of yours.

>> No.15179559

>>15179524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ktr1mxP2g

>> No.15179560

>>15179556
Let's see another "Tick-tock".

>> No.15179563

>>15179484
Well in an ideal world yes

Issue is, who gets to decide who gets a permit and who doesn't?
That kinda power could never be handed to the government, see jerrymandering. It'd be really foolish.

>> No.15179565

>>15179560
Auto-hiding all further posts from you. You will demonstrate your fear and impotent rage by addressing me again like a zero-impulse-control nigger.

>> No.15179568

>>15179505
Don't need to stop people from breeding for eugenics anymore.

Can just use gene therapy on the egg. Get with the times grandpa

>> No.15179573

>>15179565
Ah, so you gave up repeating "tick-tock" and resorted to bad words.
>Auto-hiding all further posts from you.
Lmao, coping this hard about leaving the debate. All right, bye then.

I might have wanted to argue some more, but, you clearly don't know what you're talking about and don't care enough to defend it rigorously. Cya

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>>15178277
Go back to your containment board, incel.

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AAAH IM GONNA, IN GONNA COOOOOOL

>> No.15180495 [DELETED] 

>coldest temperatures ever recorded on mt. washington
their records go back to the civil war

>> No.15180863

>>15178277
>The coldest air temperature ever recorded at the observatory was -47 degrees in 1934, according to the National Weather Service.
Was -50F in the 1850s on the mountain. That's also the NH state record cold temp, set over 160 years ago.
Must have been all those jets and sports cars back then.

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>>15179452
Fig. 1 X-axis...why

>> No.15181298

>>15178345
>using data that ends in 1850
Oil shills need better material

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15181301

Hurr

>> No.15181331

>>15181301
>starts in 1979
dropped

>> No.15181343

>>15178277
Mt. Washington =/= global

>> No.15181352

>>15181331
>doesn't provide a disputing source
Opinion disregarded.

>> No.15181354

>>15181352
I don't have to refute fraudulent graphs. Data fraud is not an argument.

>> No.15181375

>>15181354
>source: my ass

>> No.15181379

>>15181331
isn't that when the satellite record began? the land and maritime records are pretty sus in comparison.

>> No.15181382

>>15181331
Do you even know what an anomaly is?
Just because there was an arctic wave of cold in a portion of North America doesn’t mean that the planet as a whole is not warmer

>> No.15181386
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15181386

>>15181379
>>15181354
>>15181331
That’s irrelevant to the purpose of that map.

>> No.15181387

>>15181354
What is fraudulent about it? Feel free to provide something that isn't "fraudulent."

>> No.15181388

It's still nearly impossible to say whether one particular weather event can be attributed to global heating. For the most part, as the heat content of the atmosphere and oceans increases, it's safe to assume some contribution toward specific extreme weather events. But those are the symptoms, and singular weather events can't be used to substantiate the heating nor debunk it. In any case, climatologists never concluded global heating on the basis of any particular extreme weather events. It's substantiated by measurements taken over long periods of time and space, geological studies like sampling ice cores, and laboratory experimentation.

>> No.15181389

>>15181386
Fucking owned.

>> No.15181392

>>15181386
the various temperature proxies are even more sus than the land thermometer records

>> No.15181395

>>15181388
True, however destabilization of the polar vortex bringing cold air southward means warm air can flow more easily into the poles just as it’s shown in the anomaly map with that big red blob over Greenland

>> No.15181398

>>15181392
Do you have any refutations of specific methodology of the Pages 2k study? Besides rapid warming is easily evident in the satellite and instrumental records.

>> No.15181399

>>15181379
>isn't that when the satellite record began?
It's when NOAA started collecting the data from their own satellites but it's not when it started being taken. Satellite temperature data goes back to the early 70s from military sources.

>> No.15181404

>>15181398
>Besides rapid warming is easily evident in the satellite and instrumental records.
Only when the mandatory warming constants are added to the data. Without them the trend is gone.

>> No.15181408

>>15181398
rapid warming is not evident at all in the satellite record
the land record is hilariously unfit for purpose

>> No.15181442

>>15181404
Why do you lie about easily verified shit?

>> No.15181443

>>15181442
Did you mean to ask that about >>15181386?

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>>15178277
whatever it is, IT'S YOUR FAULT!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ

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>>15181404
>>15181408

>> No.15181449

>>15181443
>>15181408
Do you have any specific problems with the methodology of pages 2k and the instrumental record or are you simply stating they’re wrong because you say so?

>> No.15181455

>>15181449
The instrumental record hasn't been accurate since NOAA was taken over by climate cultists. They were forced to close hundreds of stations by public pressure after photos came out of them creating fraudulent temperature readings by putting thermistors outside AC exhaust vents and in the middle of tarmac car parks.

>> No.15181470

>>15181449
ice core proxies are too low resolution to track rapid changes due to gas diffusion as firn turns to ice
biological proxies like tree rings have truly massive standard deviation even if you assume the organism has a uniform response to environmental conditions, and even the most dense soientist should be aware by now that virtually none of them do have a uniform response from decade to decade or region to region
the instrument record wasn't even collected as an average until the proliferation of thermistors; the +/- uncertainty in converting mercury daily hi/lo records to an average is likely on the order of a full degree C, and the lack of global coverage especially over the ocean has pretty much just been swept under the rug and aggressively interpolated
the instrument record today is hopelessly plagued with concrete/asphalt/etc contaminated siting and still has poor coverage over large parts of the globe

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>>15181455
Again posting easily disproven claims? All of the independent instrumental records give the same conclusions and the vast majority of warming is occurring over the very top of the northern hemisphere

>> No.15181483

>>15181480
Minimum 60% of the alleged data points on that chart are fabricated. The stations literally do not exist.

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>>15181470
>proxies don’t work because they just don’t even though I haven’t read or refuted the methodology and code freely available for review

>> No.15181489

>>15181488
He gave you a very cogent, thorough explanation- one which the literature soundly agrees with I might add.

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>>15181489
>literature agrees
Not at all though that’s just a flat earth earther tier argument that unless you personally don’t perform a measurement then it’s automatically false
Just of the top of my head ice firn does indeed accurately record both atmospheric composition and temperature overlapping with in situ instrument readings. Coral proxies which are sub monthly resolution also agree with in situ measurements.
You’re just stating that they’re wrong from ignorance about proxy methodology.
As for the instrumental record it’s again a statement that they’re wrong even though their methodology and uncertainty are clearly stated across all of the research groups that have worked on them even those independent ones that were made by climate skeptics that agreed with ERSST and HADCRUT

>> No.15181520

>>15181517
>even those independent ones that were made by climate skeptics that agreed with ERSST and HADCRUT
Are you that guy who claims Berkeley Earth was made by skeptical scientists?

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>>15181489
Furthermore even 10 years ago there were studies done in only proxies that have direct temperature controls and surprise, they agree.

>> No.15181540

>>15181520
Yes Mueller did indeed stare Berkeley Earth because he was sperging out about NOAAs and HADs methodologies, urban heating, station keeping and the climate gate emails. He was later forced to eat his words but being a scientist he accepted the results that were identical to the other temperature products

>> No.15181545

>>15181540
That's just historical revisionism. Even their own project description said it was started to convert skeptical scientists in a way that the authors thought might work to convince them.

>> No.15181553

>>15181545
Even that clown Watts who is funded by the Heartland Institute oil shills was on board with Berkeley Earth

>> No.15181556

>>15181553
You keep saying this but it's not true. He agreed with the concept and asked for more open and honest reporting of climate data, but when the methodology was shown to him he easily debunked it as just another consensus-manufacturing operation by the same old shills.

>> No.15181559

>>15181553
I figured you would bring that up next. Your argument style never changes no matter how many times you do this. Do you have a playbook with factoids picked out for you, or is this just a bot post?

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>>15181556
It’s more likely that it had to do with who funds Watts. The fact that he’s connected with conservative oil think tanks should be enough to throw his bullshit out the window. I had trouble finding the claim about the stations and the AC vents but it’s literally just some report by Watts published by Heartland that didn’t even compare their claims to the stations they thought were correct. Even though when rural and urban stations show the same trends. They also agree with satellite measurements.

>> No.15181570

>>15181559
I’ve posted numerous peer reviewed studies and datasets and you keep posting easily debunked talking points from oil shills. Not once have you actually reviewed the methodology used for these studies. Even 10 year old studies that removed tree data all come to the same conclusions

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>>15181570
>peer reviewed
not meaningful to anyone aware of the replication crisis, try a different appeal to authority.

>> No.15181675

>>15181601
a system with flaws is still better than whatever you are trying to peddle, this show you and others put on makes you look like a laughing stock to everyone that isn't a newfag or terminally addicted to social media

>> No.15181694

>>15181675
>this show you and others put on makes you look like a laughing stock to everyone that isn't a newfag or terminally addicted to social media
You're projecting. Everyone here thinks you're pitiful and humiliates you at every opportunity. You're alone here shilling a dead cult while people relentlessly troll you.

>> No.15181709

>>15181694
>You're alone here shilling a dead cult
>Noo the commies will come to my house and force me to eat the bugs
The absolute state.

>> No.15182040

>>15181601
So you were just some /pol/ edgy racist how surprising

>> No.15182055

>>15179391
>if it gets warmer this confirms GW
>if it gets cooler this confirms GW
>any kind of 'extreme weather' confirms GW

This means that GW is unfalsafiable and therefore not science.

>> No.15182068

>>15179466
>Climate Change
CC is a very fuzzy term and therefore can not be invalidated so it can not be considered science.

>> No.15182080

>>15179467
>Regional weather
Motherfucker! The entire upper northern hemisphere has been having brutal cold winters, that's 1/3 of the planet. I live in Bucharest and winters have been getting longer in the past few years. I read a few days ago that SEA has been having record low temps. Same in Russia and NA.

>> No.15182087

>>15178345
>Still deliberately lying by not posting the full series
Wish he was a shill. Instead he's a full, decietful idiot.

>> No.15182093

>>15182087
>t. big energy/bansker shill for the green scam

>> No.15182177

>>15181237
Fucking idiot.

>> No.15182403

>>15178308
global warming as in global isnt mount washington. when the entire system warms up, weather extremes happen more often and more severe.
i dont know how often it has to be repeated that climate is not equal weather conditions. the climate is the entire global atmospheric system including its currents, tidal shifts, temperature differentials. if you upset this system and increase the temperature globally just a little bit, like 0,8°c is already enough to change the climate system, but not enough to experience it as being warmer, the whole balance gets out of whack and shit like this happens. weather phenomenons we knew shift, concentrate at places they have not appeared before, while other places who had for example reliable rain seasons or other stuff you could plot forecasts for have become highly unreliable. other places get never seen before heat waves while others chill their asses off.

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>>15178308
no matter what the weather does, it means that you have to give money to scientists

>> No.15183329

>>15181386
That graph has been debunked here >>15178345
The other graph holds more that for a longer time period and thus is more reliable to draw a conclusion from.

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>>15183329
That graph does not contain any modern data and it’s from a single location. But you already knew that didn’t you?

>> No.15183340

>>15183332
Bot post.

>> No.15183386

>>15178345
What a coincidence that the temperature warms every 100k years, and it managed to do so just as the industrial revolution began, down to the century.

>> No.15183399

>>15183332
>Muh graphs I made on muh puter!
kek

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>>15183386
>coincidence
Coincidences happen all the time.

Coincidences are the new normal and always been that way.

>> No.15183407

>>15183404
I like the image that is similar to this but blames global warming.

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15183422

>Help!!
>I've been the victim of aggravated sexual battery a thousand times or more
>forcible sodomy who knows how many times
>it's more than once, that's for sure
>I'm being sexually tortured with genital electroshock dozens or hundreds of times per day when it's not thousands of times per day
>the people I'm calling to for help think it's cute and no big deal
>please send help

>> No.15183436

>>15183404
>Coincidences happen all the time.
NTA, but I'd argue you are right. Earth is so huge and there are so many people that odd things happen (un)surprisingly often

>> No.15183458

>>15183386
Not a coincidence. Times of warming cause dramatic increases in the standard of living for animals, and the reduced environmental pressure allowed Europe to flourish. The Industrial Revolution could never have happened during an ice age because of the environmental cost of cold temperatures on European society.

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global warming is a hoax

>> No.15185523
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>>15181446
anyone can put meaningless dots and lines on a jpeg

>> No.15185531
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>>15184901
Sheeeit big shot Democrat Bloomberg says hold my kippah.
Climate change is one of the largest scams in history, along with government, organized religion, and the scamdemics.

>> No.15185535

>>15183458
>Times of warming cause dramatic increases in the standard of living for animals, and the reduced environmental pressure allowed Europe to flourish.
yep, that is an inconvenient truth.

>> No.15186494

>>15181298
that's exactly the problem with the claims about human influence on climate though

>> No.15186616

>>15185523
>source: my ass
not peer-reviewed scientific research

>> No.15186619

>>15178277
Its Changate Clime

>> No.15186634

>>15179460
Less ice cap mass means more water circulating. Big landmasses (like US or rusia) tend to have colder temperatures in winter because most of the land is far away from sea. If those low temperatures get more water than usual it means more snow in winter.

>> No.15186636

>>15179471
Where in europe? Spain has been hit with a snowstorm in 2021 and 2022 has been really cold too.

>> No.15186639

>>15185531
Its probably real but they have estimated that if waggie uses public transport the elite will be able to still keep their gazzilion carbon footprint which they probably evade paying for with charity.

>> No.15186640
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You can't make fun of people saying that isolated weather events are definitive proof of global warming, if you are then going to turn around and do the exact same thing.
It really comes off as desperate; it's a 'god of the gaps' style argument.

>> No.15186674

>>15186640
you don't understand. I'm right and the other people are idiots, and that's all there is to say about it.

>> No.15186681

>>15178277
We used to get plenty of snow in the winter a decade ago, now it barely freezes on some nights
Oil shills btfo by real life

>> No.15187426

>>15186681
>muh anecdotal evidence is significant
lack of self awareness and ignorance of statistics and probability are the genesis of your opinion

>> No.15187627
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>>15187426
I like to refer to it as the Californication of society. It's characterized by an inability to discern natural cycles.

>> No.15188727

>>15187627
>there hasn't been a january so warm ever recorded
>lmao ur just dumn, not like muh noble savages

>> No.15188729

>>15187426
meanwhile you argue like this >>15178277

>> No.15188744

>>15178277
>wind chill
Is this snake oil?

>> No.15188787

>>15188727
I guess you're too stupid to read, too. No wonder you believe in AGW.

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>>15188787