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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions
>There is a relative lack of research into Grandiose delusions
Why are the scientists avoiding looking into this aspect of science? Does it hit too close to home, too emotionally difficult and painful a topic to think about?

More about delusional grandiosity:
>Grandiose delusions, also known as delusions of grandeur or expansive delusions, are a subtype of delusion that occur in patients with a wide range of psychiatric diseases, including two-thirds of patients in a manic state of bipolar disorder, half of those with schizophrenia, patients with the grandiose subtype of delusional disorder, frequently in narcissistic personality disorder, and a substantial portion of those with substance abuse disorders.
>Grandiose delusions are characterized by fantastical beliefs that one is famous, omnipotent, wealthy, unusually intelligent or otherwise very powerful.
>The delusions are generally fantastic and typically have a religious, science fictional, or supernatural theme.
>In contrast to persecutory delusions and auditory hallucinations. Around 10% of healthy people experience grandiose thoughts at some point in their lives but do not meet full criteria for a diagnosis of GD.

>> No.15178216

jews etc

>> No.15178219

>>15178214
>Does it hit too close to home, too emotionally difficult and painful a topic to think about?
It's this one.

>> No.15178238

>>15178216
religious jews are the most humble people on this planet
https://youtu.be/OwDCX-201qo?t=488

>> No.15178397

>>15178219
Can you imagine that there is this vast open field of low hanging fruit and the sciences have been steadfastly refusing to look into it for nearly a century. Makes me wonder what other topics they purposefully keep in their blind spots. Cost effective civilian uses of nuclear power seems like it probably goes on that list.

>> No.15178586

>>15178214
Nobody is paying for it.

>> No.15178590

>>15178214
Their findings would diagnose the whole working class with a mental illness.

>> No.15178597

>>15178586
not even to sell addictive psychiatric medicine? did you see this part
>Around 10% of healthy people experience grandiose thoughts at some point in their lives
10% of the population to sell pills to. a placebo mixed with a little opium would sell $billions, you could sell them special grandiose laxatives with the hop pills too. these are people who will cut a crazy guy's dick off to make a buck, but they refuse to capitalize on this one opportunity, its odd

>> No.15178626

>>15178590
you missed this part
>Around 10% of healthy people experience grandiose thoughts at some point in their lives but do not meet full criteria for a diagnosis of GD.
10% could never cover the whole working class

>> No.15178652

>>15178626
I didn't miss it. The implication is clearly that the % would drastically increase due to more accurate testing and or changes in classification/definition.

>> No.15178664

>>15178652
yeah, that "more accurate testing" would sure help sell a lot more pills. diagnose everyone with GD, when they say "i'm not crazy" use it as further evidence of their delusions
theres so much opportunity in the GD topic, but its totally ignored, there has to be an explanation

>> No.15180344 [DELETED] 

>>15178214
I know the whole history of the entire universe from the very start and I can predict it's future to the very end. No, I do not have any proof. No, I can not do anything useful with my omniscient knowledge regardless it's vastness

>> No.15180368

>>15180344
>regardless it's vastness
Apparently it doesn't help you write correct English, either

>> No.15181206

>>15178214
Its nice to know that there is still some low hanging fruit available.
How do people who think modern science is stagnant because all the easy discoveries were made in the 1890s respond to the low hanging fruit on display in this ITT thread?

>> No.15181263

thinking cosmology is a real science is a grandiose delusion, the astronomy department of any university would be a goldmine for grandiose delusion researchers.

>> No.15182846
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15182846

Delusions of grandiosity amongst scientists is as common as can be. Same goes for revenge fantasies and power fantasies. People who live in their imagination and who never have any impact on the IRL world as a result, too buy engaging in their extensive fantasy lives.

>> No.15183180

>>15178626
implying 70% of the people you have met in your life are healthy
try again

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>>15178652
>the % would drastically increase…
if someone found a way to turn an easy profit by treating the condition

>> No.15185532

>>15178214
It's a subject of psychiatry and psychiatry isn't science

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>>15185532
sounds like someone doesn't want to take their meds

>> No.15185929

>>15184904
kek, solid gold meme anon.

>> No.15186039

>>15178214
Because they're all too busy entertaining grandiose delusions of their own to research Grandiose delusions in general.

>> No.15187056 [DELETED] 

>Understanding, treating, and renaming grandiose delusions: A qualitative study (2019)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7984144/
>Results
>Participants reported physical, sexual, social, occupational, and emotional harms from grandiose delusions. All patients described the grandiose belief as highly meaningful: it provided a sense of purpose, belonging, or self‐identity, or it made sense of unusual or difficult events. The meaning from the belief was not synonymous with extreme superiority or arrogance. The meaning obtained appeared to be a key driver of the persistence of the beliefs. Other maintenance factors were subjectively anomalous experiences (e.g., voices), symptoms of mania, fantasy elaboration, reasoning biases, and immersive behaviours. Participants described insufficient opportunities to talk about their grandiose beliefs and related experiences and were generally positive about the possibility of a psychological therapy.

>Conclusions
>We conclude that grandiosity is a psychologically rich experience, with a number of maintenance factors that may be amenable to a targeted psychological intervention. Importantly, the term ‘grandiose delusion’ is an imprecise description of the experience; we suggest ‘delusions of exceptionality’ may be a credible alternative.

>> No.15187332

>>15187056
This describes modern soience to a T. No wonder there's no research on it.

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>>15178214
>unusually intelligent
What if I just really am unusually intelligent to such a degree that it warrants a corresponding fantastical belief?

>> No.15189950

>>15188506
You should be smart enough to figure that one out for yourself. Why are you looking for approval from others for your belief in your own superior intelligence? According to your beliefs, everyone else too low IQ to figure things out correctly, so why so much concern over their inevitably misplaced approval?

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>>15189950

>> No.15191187

>>15178214
Anon, researchers are just now correlating biological phenomena to psychiatric diseases. One step at a time.

>> No.15191257

>>15187056
>Participants described insufficient opportunities to talk about their grandiose beliefs and related experiences
Nobody told them about /sci/, anyone is welcome to come to /sci/ and start spouting off about their delusions of superior understanding and knowledge and they often do, followed by being rudely mocked. This board serves a purpose in that respect, curing mental illness one delusion at a time.

>> No.15191262

>>15191257
Some of the worst posters are the ones with no shame or ability to understand mockery.

>> No.15191815

Grandiosity itself is a reference to physical stature, something soience types are notoriously lacking, so it is no wonder that they need to invent imaginary stature for themselves. Without it, they'd have no stature at all. Its like trying to keeping yourself warm outside by putting on the emperor's new clothes and relying on the placebo effect to do the rest for you, the dumber you are, the better it works.

>> No.15193040

>>15178397
>what other topics they purposefully keep in their blind spots.
depends on who is paying the most to look the other way

>> No.15193050

>>15178214
Sorry, it's not the job of scientists to entertain schizobabble

>> No.15193051

>>15193050
No, their job is to produce it.

>> No.15193873 [DELETED] 

>>15191262
>Some of the most mentally ill posters are the ones with no shame or ability to understand mockery.