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15172053 No.15172053 [Reply] [Original]

Stop being worried about the AI revolution
1)It won't replace human workforce
Those who believe AI would replace software engineers are retards. Even if you don't understand the limitations of machine learning technology which is essentially matrix multiplication with some nonlinear functions seated in between, you should at least know that the reason why programming languages exist in the way they are is because of their flexibility in ability to do specific tasks. That's the reason why programmers don't code in natural language.
After a long time AI may eventually be able to write large and complicated software from a mere natural language prompt, but it won't ever be specifically what you want. and adjusting to those specificities is the reason why there are so many software jobs. That's why even at this point software engineers would still be needed, because again there's a reason why they use programming languages and not the natural ones, because they're the most convenient tool for those kinds of tasks.
Yeah, AI would contribute to simplifying many programming tasks, but that's what's been going on since the dawn of computer industry, first with appearance of assembly languages, then stuff like Fortran and Lisp, then C, then high-level programming languages, then the abundance of frameworks for whatever purposes, and if anything such a simplification only led to more jobs. And nowadays even if you look at the most dull and code-monkey sector of the software development, the frontend industry, it still holds a huge amount of jobs available despite being a shitton simplified..
So being worried about that is the same as being worried that mathematicians would be replaced by calculators. Yeah all the derivatives and integrals are algorithmically resolvable, but one still can't become a mathematician specializing in those areas bypassing the knowledge of how to calculate those.

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>>15172053
2)It wouldn't replace real artists, because art is not just about mere mimicking and replication. Real art is about dragging ideas down from the metaphysical realm letting them take on a corporeal form which serves as a bridge between
physical and immaterial.
Why are all those classical paintings and music pieces so appreciated? It's not because the authors put a lot of hard labor into them, it's because they were able to make that bridge into more abstract realms of being. And such an artists can't be replaced by an AI for the same reason why software engineer can't, because such an art has to be specific in order to link to the symbolism it's trying to convey, and making those specific details would always require someone with real skills. AI could only make their labor simpler in the same way as frameworks do things simpler for programmers.
The simulacra-making artists would all be replaced though,and that's a good thing! All those people who make profit off goyslop content be forced to ponder with philosophical questions.
3)It won't touch most office jobs at all. Many white collar workers just do nothing half the time. Some of those could be automated long ago already, while some were not even necessary there in the first place, they just exist to keep people busy. Those jobs exist because business runners are forced to deal with all the ISO and paperwork and shit. As long as it deals with people, there would always be requirement for administrative stuff.

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>>15172056
4)If kikes are capable of exploiting AI in replacing us, they still won't do it, because it would cause disruptions and goiym would start getting out of control. They're satisfied with the way things are, that's why artificial modern economy is the way it is in the first place.

All in all AI would speed up virtual progress. Except for the AI shit 2023 barely feels any different from 2013, whereas 2013 was very different from 2003 technology-wise. I expect that 2030 would feel different again in that respect. Also the generation of post zoomers may be as good at search engines as zoomers are good at seeking out information without google, since they would be used to be spoonfed by artificial answers from chatbots. But I doubt it would make such a change in acquiring actual knowledge like scientific knowledge easier as much as search engines did.
TLDR AI would only replace simulacra-making humans. Actual people with a modicum of metaphysical thinking would not be touched by it.

>> No.15172062

The only thing ai is useful for is writing essays for you. It kind of sucks that I graduated after it released though

>> No.15174533

>>15172053
>then the abundance of frameworks for whatever purposes
And that's exactly where everything started going to shit

>such a simplification only led to more jobs.
First of all it's not a simplification, it's a huge complication.
Second, it leads to "more jobs" only in the sense of "more kind of jobs", which does not necessarily means "more employment"; in fact, it means the exact opposite because the more the kind of jobs, the more specialization you need, and the less opportunity.
The proliferation of these shitty frameworks only made it harder and harder to find a job unless you are specifically competent in that single specific required combination of tools out of other possible thousands, and what's worse, it promotes mere code-monkeys while punishing actual programmers.

>> No.15174552

>>15172053
I was never worried about this garbage, I'm annoyed about the constant shilling of this and the constant talk about something that was obviously payed to be talked about

>> No.15174780

>>15172056
>Real art is about dragging ideas down from the metaphysical realm
I agree with most of this thread, and we absoultely should not let poltards or AI doomers convince us that the AI apocalypse is here and that ChatGPT are going to start taking our job, etc., etc., but if you unironically believe that art comes from some mysterious metaphysical realm, then you're a fucking schizo. Art is a product of the human mind, i.e. the brain. Art doesn't come from some mysterious spiritual realm, it comes from neurons firing in our head.

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>if you unironically believe that art comes from some mysterious metaphysical realm, then you're a fucking schizo. Art is a product of the human mind, i.e. the brain. Art doesn't come from some mysterious spiritual realm, it comes from neurons firing in our head.
Why are they so filled with hatred against the human spirit?

>> No.15174789

>>15172056
>Real art is about
You are not the art police, you dont decide what art is.

>> No.15174790

>>15174789
Your lowly thought-terminating cliche is not an argument.

>> No.15174792

>>15174783
Is this human spirit in the room with us?

>> No.15174793

@15174792
Are """emergent properies""" in the room with us?

>> No.15174796

>>15174790
Its 100% an argument. You have no power t decide what art is, thats all it is. You think you can say what art is or not, but you are a nobody and your opinion doesnt matter.
This is an excellent argument because i showed that your argument was based on nothing but your own opinion, which is worthless, which shows its wrong

>> No.15174801

>>15174796
>Its 100% an argument.
No, it isn't.

>You have no power t decide what art is
I don't think he was trying to "decide what art is" for others. I think he was trying to awaken the normal, basic human intuition that art is something more than mechanistic regurgitation. I don't think his point was aimed at nonhuman elements like you.

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of course, mass automation, le singularity, le robots, are pure hype
but thanks to the hype a lot of dumb money and investing is coming in, if you think that nothing is going to change you are homo
coding and programming and probably almost anything you can do on the PC, will become much, much easier and therefore tech companies will need less manpower and also there will no longer IQ entry barrier, so shitty salaries
the only thing you can do is git really gud or learn electronics

>> No.15174818

>>15172053
I laughed at the second but not at the first. It was a nice joke.

>> No.15174821

>>15174818
>The lack of a joke is a joke in and of itself
Was it autism?

>> No.15175062

>>15172053
1) AI will actually really fuck up a lot of the workforce. Software engineers won't be too badly fucked because of what you said; the technology will drive so much additional interest that demand for software engineers will not dip.
I think you actually underestimate how accessible these LLMs are making programing. Most coding that people do outside of the actual tech industry is very small scale, mostly for data analysis, and even something as simple as ChatGPT can code basic pipelines for you.
While I think you are ultimately right, I think you are underestimating both just how transformative this tech is AND how much extra demand it will drive. Things balance out to be about the same for software engineers, but fields like journalism? The days of cushy, 6-fig data entry jobs where you just sat on your ass and worked a spreadsheet? Those aren't coming back.
>>15172056
This is a joke and you know it. No one is going to be so much of a dumb fuck that they dedicate their life to art when AI shits out better art than them at 10,000x the speed. You're kidding yourself.
Yes, it is important to "bridge the metaphysical and corporeal" or whatever the fuck, but anyone can do that in the prompt. You don't need an art degree for it.
>3)It won't touch most office jobs at all. Many white collar workers just do nothing half the time. Some of those could be automated long ago already, while some were not even necessary there in the first place, they just exist to keep people busy. Those jobs exist because business runners are forced to deal with all the ISO and paperwork and shit. As long as it deals with people, there would always be requirement for administrative stuff.
You are retarded.

>> No.15175064

okay

>> No.15175072

>>15172062
They launched a watermarking feature as of 1.5 weeks ago that is very robust and will catch anyone who uses it to cheat. You honestly might have dodged a huge bullet from not having the temptation to use it.

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Don't be a bigot and you won't have a problem.

>> No.15175092

>>15172053
Machine learning will replace software engineers the same way power tools replaced carpenters or CNC machines replaced furniture makers.

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>>15175092
>Machine learning will replace software engineers
Two more weeks.

>> No.15175103

>>15175099
We've had power tools for 128 years anon. I appreciate your positivity, but I think software engineers might have more than a fortnight to transition to a new way of working.

>> No.15176338

how can I give AI all my written texts and ask it to write a conversation with things I would say? How would I go about this?

>> No.15176689

>>15175072
This AI safety shit sucks desu and the real grim thing about these models is that they are going to be fully secret, proprietary and captured by the state. The "open" in OpenAI is so insulting.

>> No.15176696

>>15175103
As a SE I've been trying to use chatGPT to help and so far it only removes tedious steps in the process and if I try and actually use it for anything I end up just fighting with the damn bot and trying to argue with it. And damn it is so fucking annoying to argue with.

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>> No.15176707

>>15176702
It's so funny these faggy statue avs think the future is stoppable and that people need to normalize new technology. The real risk is how technology will be instrumentalized and access to it restricted. In the past, access to technology required immense capital requirements and so its benefits could be captured only by a small, already privileged social class. In theory, AI should be open to anyone with a computer terminal. but OpenAI is determined to make sure it is not.

>> No.15177965

>>15172053
>>15172056
>>15172060
1- So it will only get rid of 98% of jobs instead of 99% neat!

>>15172056
2-People are consuming 10 second brain rot tiktoks, they aren't watching these masterful movies. People are watching these spam sped up songs, they aren't listening to symphonies.The population isn't going to do what you want unfortunately. "Why are all those classical paintings and music pieces so appreciated?" They aren't, almost all museums and classical music houses operate on a funds from the government and not because of ticket revenue

>> No.15178669

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>>15177830
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>> No.15178707

AI will not replace humans entirely but it will take a lot of jobs. In the meantime just enjoy the progress
https://youtu.be/dt0a1eri7CY