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>10 trillion galaxies just in our light cone
>one place with life
yeah right, eat a dick

>> No.15159620

>>15159617
>he doesnt know
you're looking at a 3D hologram, Space isn't real. you have been duped anon.

think for a second, do you beleive there are ten TRILLION galaxies just because you read it on the internet?

>> No.15159642

>>15159617

>life elsewhere?
Definitely
>Intelligent life elsewhere?
Beyond any shadow of a doubt.
>Technological intelligent life elsewhere?
Probably more rare than you think.
>Space faring technological intelligent life elsewhere?
Probably extremely rare.

Earth has advantages nobody even thinks about in things we take for granted.
Imagine humans living on a planet. Now remove the trees. Consider everything around you that is made of wood. Try imagining building a civilization without wood.

There is no reason to believe that trees are common in the universe.

But let's say humans evolve on a planet with trees. Take away the moon.

How are humans supposed to start up space travel if they have nowhere to go as a first step?

>> No.15159654

And how exactly are you supposed to calculate the probabilkty of finding life from one galaxy? It's completely arbitrary. It might be 10^-100.

>> No.15159655

>>15159642
>t. neoreligious retard

>> No.15159660

10 trillion isn't really that large a number.

>> No.15159665

The Universe is only 13 billion years old, its in its first second of its life. because it takes 13 billion years to have 3 generations of stars just to produce the basic building blocks of life that means we are the most advanced lifeform, how depressing.

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>>15159617

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>> No.15159816

>>15159672
This is pseudo-scientific New Age bullshit.

>> No.15159820

>>15159816
>t. neoreligious fanatic

>> No.15159828

>>15159617
>Ideologue can't accept the evidence
>"There must be life! Even though we can't detect any!"

>> No.15159837

>>15159617
Wrong, wrong and wrong.

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>>15159617

>> No.15159856

>>15159617
The universal is procedurally generated within our consciousness

>> No.15159961

>>15159617
observer selection bias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3whaviTqqg

>> No.15159964

>>15159620
words aren't real faggot.

>> No.15160510
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>The Fermi paradox is the discrepancy between the lack of conclusive evidence of advanced extraterrestrial life compared to the apparently high a priori likelihood of its existence. As a 2015 article put it, "If life is so easy, someone from somewhere must have come calling by now."

>> No.15160514

>universe is filled with simple life, it will appear wherever it can
>but intelligent life is super rare
>5 billion years ago the first intelligent race appeared in the milky way
>it died out after some 30k years
>700 million years later a new intelligent race appeared somewhere else and died 120k years later
>2 billion years ago another race appeared, etc. etc.
this is how every galaxy works
space is too big and too old for races to ever meet

>> No.15160522

The fermi paradox is at the very least proof that there is no faster than light travel, because otherwise a space-faring civilisation of self-replicating robots would've consumed the entire universe.

>> No.15160563

>>15160510
They did, have, and continue to.
Scientists are too dumb to listen to the schizo telepaths describing the encounters.

>> No.15160566

>>15160522
They are called spores.

>> No.15160578

>>15160522
Or it is possible we are early.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3whaviTqqg

>> No.15160584

>>15159617
Calm down timmy, get back on your fortnite.

>> No.15161030

>>15159655

Didn't mention a religion once. You're projecting.

>> No.15161332

>>15159620
Consider inhaling mustard gas

>> No.15161342

If we’re the only life in this universe that exists or has existed, how improbable would that be approximately?

>> No.15161359

>>15159655
Huh?

>> No.15161368

>>15161359
Did I stutter you diaper wearing shit for brains?

>> No.15161370

>>15161342
The probability would be 100%, because it happened.

>> No.15161393

>>15161342
It would mean the probability of life forming on any given planet is like 1 in a quintillion bare minimum.

>> No.15161511

>>15160578
I liked this video. Very interesting idea.

>> No.15161677

Any actual proof this time, or just magic numbers and faith again?

>> No.15161712

>>15159617
How common is abiogenesis? Oh that's right.

>> No.15161726

>>15159617
>he believes in space

>> No.15161735

>>15159617
It's perfectly possible that there's a fuckton of life out there, but we're the only place with life in a 1000 LY radius of earth. That would mean two things: (1) finding signs of life can be really hard; and (2) even if we find it, we'll never reach these places, so whatever.

>> No.15162595

>>15159617
There’s life everywhere in the universe, with a likelihood of 1 planet with life per galaxy.
But it’s almost impossible to travel anywhere, so odds are there aren’t any Type 1 or Type 2 civilizations yet.

>> No.15162625

>>15159617
>one place with life
at some point in time this must have been true

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>>15159642
>>life elsewhere?
>Definitely
Source: ass
>inb4 muh heckin so many planets in muh heckin universe!
Your fee fee that says life is easy enough to come if the set of planets is bigger-ish than X is also derived from the ass

>> No.15163102

>>15159617
Show me your priors and I'll show you a retard.

>> No.15163929

>>15159617
Each of those 10 trillion galaxies could have an advanced civilization so at least 10 trillion civilizations are out there. Since the nearest large spiral galaxy is 2.5 million light years away and most are much farther that means we will never meet them or even communicate with them. These other civilizations might as well not even exist.

>> No.15164134

>>15159642
Are trees and plants in general not taking advantage of an extremely basic niche? They build immibale unchanging structures then convert solar energy into chemical energy. Any planet that receives sunlight has this niche available.

>> No.15164142

>>15159642
Humans evolved from tree-dwelling primates. If there are no trees then there are no humans.

>> No.15164173

>>15163102
I can think of one outstanding prior.

>> No.15164310

>>15159617
there is more intelligent life but its interdimensional. this is like babby's first dimension. there are beings that think nothing of that vast a distance of space. space isnt space and time isnt time to them. oh and by the way be glad there is so much shit out there in space and time because we may not want those things to find us

>> No.15165024

>>15164310
see>>15165002

>> No.15165043

>trillions of galaxies

OK now go watch any video on abiogenesis and proceed to laugh at the amount of zeros on the probability of random shit coming together in a hot soupy pool to make even a single bit of RNA, let alone the "simple" cell

>bro random shit just smashed together and life happened

Take your meds

>> No.15165082

>>15159617
>muh big number
SMALLER PROBABILITIES

>> No.15165095

>>15159655
Belief in aliens is just religion. You can have an universe with life only emerging once even without an intelligent creator. Likewise, you can have an universe teeming with life which was created by an intelligent creator.

>> No.15165096

>>15160522
Depends. If the universe is literally infinite then ayy lmaos can afford to spare emerging life.

>> No.15165098

>>15161342
1/10^23 exactly since that is the number of stars in our observable universe.
>inb4 universe is infinite or larger than that
Making such statements about what's outside the observable universe is unscientific since there is no way to prove or falsify them.

>> No.15165100

>>15162595
We at least haven't seen any K3+ type civilisation in nearby galaxies nor K2 type civilisations in the billions of stars we've observed in our galaxy so far.

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>>15159620
>read it on the internet

Nigger do you realize you could point your phone up at the night sky and with a 30 second exposure image you could see the rough outline of the Andromeda Galaxy. I know someone who has spent over $10k on astrophotography gear and has captured beautiful images with it. It's not about seeing it on the internet it's about witnessing it with our own eyes.

>>15159655
t. religious retard

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>>15159617
we already know where to look
>hyperdimensional mind over matter consciousness field
>allows levitation, astral projection, teleportation, multiple timelines, remote timeline viewing, telepathy, telekinesis, zero-point energy, and manifestation
>mechanized with ufos, antennas, and ai
>dominated by military, aliens, and non-corporal entities

>> No.15165291

>>15159665
there could be other universes

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>>15159617
>god made 10 trillion galaxies in a single day
>couldn't make a woman who could follow instructions in the same time
does that mean women are more complicated than the visible universe

>> No.15165630

>>15165329
yes, uniroincally, humans are the most complex structures in the universe.

>> No.15165862

>>15159617
If the closest nearby technological civilization is tens or hundreds of millions of light years away we're not meeting them anytime soon short of FTL being possible. If they're closer than that and are only a few million years ahead of us they should have colonized the local group by now, and if they're father way we'll probably never meet due to rate expansion of the universe.

>> No.15165917

>>15165043
this

>> No.15165964

>>15159617
Until you can show evidence of life elsewhere, you haven't remotely supported the hypothesis that it exists. We have no idea how likely life is to begin under early Earth conditions, much less other conditions. For all we know, life on Earth could be all the life in the universe. Also, there has to be a first place for life to begin. Why not Earth?

>> No.15165970

>>15160510
>apparently high a priori likelihood of its existence
What makes it likely at all? Life beginning is extremely unlikely.

>> No.15165972

>>15160514
>>universe is filled with simple life
Is this knowledge or faith?

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>>15165219

>> No.15166006

Fact: There is one civilization per galaxy
It doesn't matter if multiple civilizations arise in a galaxy because the first one to develop technology will wipe out the other ones. Due to differences in solar system formation times the first technological civilization in a galaxy will be millions of years ahead of the other ones so they don't stand a chance. Since there is only one civilization per galaxy and galaxies are millions of light years apart these galactic civilizations will never meet or communicate. This is the solution to the Fermi Paradox.

>> No.15166008

>>15159617
Great, prove it.

>> No.15166164

Also note that since it's likely there is only one civ at most per galaxy we should be looking for signs of galactic engineering by Type III civilizations. Searching for galaxies that appear to have lots of missing stars might be a good way to start. This type of search is easily achievable with the instruments we have now like JWST and the huge ground-based telescopes coming online in the next few years.

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>>15165219
>I know someone who has spent over $10k on astrophotography gear and has captured beautiful images with it.
>It's not about seeing it on the internet
>it's about witnessing it with our own eyes.
you only saw someone else's digital images, how is that different from seeing it on the internet?

>> No.15166238

>>15160578
I just don't know if we're ever even getting to those other planets. Ideas like this assume some pretty wild transformative tech coming out. People forget how damn far away everything is.

>> No.15166240

>>15166006
Distances between points in a single galaxy are also so large Idk how likely contact is even then.