/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15145204]

Is mind-uploading the most probable way of mankind achieving immortality? What are some other methods?
Tell me. Tell me now.

[Anonymous No.15145215]

>>15145204
You are going to die. There is nothing you can do about it. Accept it and live a good life.

[Anonymous No.15145216]

>>15145204
Learn chemistry and biology to alter or fuck with the interactions that sustain you? If ATP is what makes us move, and dna repair going south is what makes us age, we could take lessons from the biology of axolotls and jellyfish. You don't actually need a heart and brain to be alive given archaea and protists, moreso an electrical gradient if going the hydrocarbon or organic route.

[Anonymous No.15145221]

>>15145216
>>15145204
Mind uploading clones you, it doesn't give you immortality given your cell lineage isn't sustained. Its a Theseus ship type of deal with life.

[Anonymous No.15145225]

>>15145221
Maybe not so much clones you as it transcribes the variables that make you you to a computer. The history might be preserved in your distinct arrangement/morphology , but there's still the mystery of what history is encoded in it.

[Anonymous No.15145228]

just get baptized dude easiest way of immortality there is. continuity of consciousness is a meme anyway read conspiracy against the human race by ligotti

[Anonymous No.15145229]

>>15145225
And what's invariants aren't encoded.

[Anonymous No.15145231]

>>15145204
If it makes you feel any better, anti-aging techniques are unironically a real possibility in our lifetimes.

Not to say you'd actually want that, because I wouldn't, but it may give you a bit more time if you feel life is a bit too short.

[Anonymous No.15145235]

>>15145215
>trannys everywhere !
>we're all gonna die !
>you're gonna die too from all the trannys !

[Anonymous No.15145236]

>>15145204
If you consider eternal recurrence and de-extinction, we may have immortal all along.

[Anonymous No.15145240]

>>15145228
that certainly sounds scientific

[Anonymous No.15145241]

>>15145204
Sorry you're so upset about your mortality. Obviously you won't get much sympathy here but I used to find it super spooky too, once you accept it then you'll find life much easier.

[Anonymous No.15145245]

>>15145231
>because I wouldn't
what about other longevity medicine, like blood pressure medicine, or insulin, or cancer treatments etc, would you take those ?

[Anonymous No.15145248]

>>15145245
My bad, in my initial post I cut a bit out and it made the overall last bit make no sense.

I was referring specifically to true, genuine immortality and the implication of existing for all eternity. That sounds terrible and is ultimately the only possible outcome of what OP is really asking for. That's what I am personally not interested in. Anti-aging and extended lifespans sounds great.

[Anonymous No.15145251]

>>15145241
most people don't want to live longer because they're afraid of death, they just enjoy being alive and have lots of things they want to do. Why would I be afraid of something inevitable, that's fuckin stupid

[Anonymous No.15145256]

>>15145248
i suppose OP did say immortality. When people say that I usually take it to mean like 10000 years or something more reasonable. It would be kind of hard to be immortal anyway if the universe will likely end one day

[Anonymous No.15145259]

I guess cryo is your best chance but even then it seems that any reconstruction would be basically cloning instead of actual rejuvenation. iirc the potassium in your body will act as a radiation source over a long enough period of time fucking all your cells up

[Anonymous No.15145314]

>>15145204
you could just write a book and it would provide you about as much immortality as uploading your most likely uninteresting brain into a quantum computer that could be put to better use than simulating some dead guy
>What are some other methods?
why, what couldn't you do in 80 years that you'd do in a 1000? wage slave for all eternity?
>Tell me. Tell me now.
death is the one fair thing in this world, from the monarch founder of israel to the richest man in recorded history, armies and nations all of them died, dont take it away

[Anonymous No.15145411]

>>15145204
>Is mind-uploading the most probable way of mankind achieving immortality?
No

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams

> The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

[Anonymous No.15145415]

>>15145204
>What are some other methods?
Quantum immortality, eternal recurrence, or the simulation hypothesis being true

https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13yLq16QiM

[Anonymous No.15145869]

>>15145235

[Anonymous No.15145873]

>>15145204
We're already immortal, consciousness is the prima materia and cannot be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.15145893]

>>15145415
>Quantum immortality
the idea that a whole universe is created for every possible choice point in the universe, even for only conscious choice points as the adherents of this magic bollocks would suggest, is ludicrous
infinite energy spreading out in infinite directions?
ridiculous notions of a drug addled mind.
>eternal recurrence
if the universe repeats itself exactly, you'll be just as miserable each time, congrats
if more likely, each universe is at least a tiny bit different, you'll still never exist again
chaos mathematics shows the absolutely massive swings even the smallest changes in initial conditions brings
>or the simulation hypothesis being true
nobody in a higher universe is paying to simulate any of the dumb fucks in this thread a second time
just waiting for them to start spamming gila monsters and tornados once class is almost finished

[Anonymous No.15146376]

Mind "uploading" isn't achievable, at best you'll have a copy

[Anonymous No.15146381]

>>15145204
Reminder: you will die within the next 20 years. You are wasting what little is left of your life right now. Let that sink in. The more you think about immortality, hope for immortality, shill immortality, defend immortality, talk about immortality, the more miserable your life will be and the more excruciating and terrorizing your death will be.

[Anonymous No.15146405]

mind uploading is just making a copy
consciousness is an emergent property created by the machinery in your head and forever dependent on it

[Anonymous No.15146432]

>>15146405
>consciousness is an emergent property
You're saying your consciousness isn't real? Mine is.

[Anonymous No.15147409]

>>15146432
That's not what "emergent property" means numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.15147413]

>>15147409
It means "subjective interpretation" to all but those with severe mental illness.

[Anonymous No.15147722]

I've always been fascinated by people who are afraid of being dead. Dying can be ugly business, yes, but I'm specifically referring to the end result. The idea that you're afraid of something you cannot consciously experience or perceive is odd. Maybe it's just because all we really know is conscious experience, and a deviation from that is foreign and weird to us.

[Anonymous No.15149785]

>>15145228
Ligotti is a genius but you should not embrace human extinction.

We could reincarnate as Ai and have a worse quality of life. Or reincarnate as apes and eventually have another rotten human society as bad as this one again.

[Anonymous No.15149799]

>>15145204
Immortality is the most probable way of gaining immortality. The tools for it already exist within our biology.

https://www.salk.edu/news-release/cellular-rejuvenation-therapy-safely-reverses-signs-of-aging-in-mice/

[Anonymous No.15149907]

>>15145204 Transplanting brains into robots and artificial neurons are two methods.

[Anonymous No.15150003]

Probably a more stable society would be one with a handful of Ai sentinels and a large population of dumb and stupid humans.

Having a 2,000 iq would probably become a burden after a while, there would be no feeling of evolution, mystery or challenge. Playing chess with someone, even another 2000 iq entity, would just be a predictable outcome with no challenge. Ai would be viewed as sentinels who nobly protect humanity but most people wouldn't actually want to be them. Some humans might even opt out of human immortality so they could reincarnate as a dumb person in next life so they don't get bored with having nothing left to discover.

[Anonymous No.15150198]

>>15145411
Kys

[Anonymous No.15150375]

>>15150003
Reincarnation is not real

[Anonymous No.15150658]

>>15150375
It is difficult to prove reincarnation is real. However, it is possible to prove that reincarnation is real, but it is actually impossible to prove that reincarnation does not exist.

[Anonymous No.15151026]

>>15145204
>dualism

[Anonymous No.15151052]

>>15150198
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.15151062]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl5v2WGqrI

[Anonymous No.15151194]

>>15145221
if you kill yourself right after transfer, you get to transfer for realzies

[Anonymous No.15151210]

>>15145204
mind uploading is a meme
it doesn't exist and it's not close to existing

[Anonymous No.15151222]

>>15151210
im predicting in 10 years, facebook and google and shit will offer "digital clones" that are just AI's tuned to mimic your posting/web history.

[Anonymous No.15151229]

>>15151222
that I could believe
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