Germ theory of disease is false

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Germ theory of disease is false Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:32:22 2023 No.15132841 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone want to provide real proof of the germ theory of dis-eases? Terrain theory of diseases appears to be the most likely replacement for germ theory of diseases.
The bacteria are just part of the natural immune system and actually serve to clean up dead or dying cells. Killing them just makes the problem worse. Viruses do not exist per se, they are just dead matter that falls off or out of dead cells.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:34:20 2023 No.15132847
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Scientific method says that findings should be reproducible. Infection with certain germs is not proven to cause disease. Disease is really caused by toxins. It is true that some germs can produce toxins, but to say that this proves the germ theory of disease would be like saying that snakes cause death from by poison. Rather the toxins / snake venom cause the death or illness.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:37:06 2023 No.15132860 >>15132841 >Anyone want to provide real proof of the germ theory Buy a microscope. >my theo- Both are the same stupid. Infact both have the issue of overdoing it weakens the immune system.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:37:33 2023 No.15132861 File: 46 KB, 700x492, 1651724975218.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15132860 >Buy a microscope. You misunderstand. I'm not saying that microbes or germs do not exist. I'm saying they do not cause diseases.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:38:38 2023 No.15132865 >>15132857 Virus Mania is an excellent read, it's impossible to finish that book and still believe in germ theory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:39:11 2023 No.15132870 >>15132841 >misinterpreting germ theory to promote another theory ultimately based upon the theory you discredit

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 00:39:54 2023 No.15132871 >>15132847 human diet and adult way of life really suck, totally.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:40:03 2023 No.15132873 >>15132860 >Buy a microscope. How would I use this microscope to prove germ theory?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:40:28 2023 No.15132875 >>15132861 >I'm saying they do not cause diseases Then your retarded >it's toxins And if they cause toxins they cause disease. Plus videos of the immune system eating said bacteria.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:40:59 2023 No.15132876 >>15132875 Fun fact, 99% of ALL microbes found in the human body are "UNKNOWN TO SCIENCE". https://news.stanford.edu/2017/08/22/nearly-microbes-inside-us-unknown-science/

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 00:41:34 2023 No.15132878 >>15132860 shill, microscope does not prove spread and "infection", you are very bad at science

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:42:02 2023 No.15132879 >>15132870 Germ theory is based on terrain theory, nigger. You acknowledge that certain viruses spread only in certain conditions. That's fucking terrain theory. What do you need viruses for? Occam's razor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:47:03 2023 No.15132891 >>15132875 >Then your retarded Then you better have scientific proofs that they do. >And if they cause toxins they cause disease. Non-sequitur.

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 00:50:17 2023 No.15132904 >>15132891 fungi and bacteria may change metabolism in environment poor in oxygen, yeast is good example, it releases alcohol when oxygen is not available.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:50:31 2023 No.15132905

>>15132875
Why is it that some (unvaccinated, previously uninfected) people get infected with COVID-19 as verified by tests and have nothing at all happen, but others straight up become hospitalized and die? If a "virus" is causing the dis-ease in those latter people why doesn't it happen to the former?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:51:36 2023 No.15132909 >>15132905 Elderly people and the infirm are unable to mount a healthy immune response to pathogens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 00:55:20 2023 No.15132915 >>15132909 And a vaccine would help their dead immune system to do that why exactly?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:02:18 2023 No.15132928

>viruses exist, they are everywhere around you
>but if you look under the miscroscope you can never see them
>when they infect you, your body becomes a virus factory, your tissue literally turns into the virus
>but if you put tissue under the microscope there's still not enough virus to be seen
>oh right, it's because they die immediately after leaving the host cell
>but they can spread through air and they're everywhere around you
>but you can never see them under a microscope
>you have to cultivate them on a tissue culture first by killing the tissue culture
>then they look exactly like dying tissue culture
germ theory, everyone

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:09:38 2023 No.15132946

>>15132909
>get infected by invisible pathogen
>only 50/50 chance I get sick
>what could be the explanation?
>could it be that maybe there's no invisible pathogen?
>nono, your organism has an invisible immune system
>if you get sick, your invisible immune system must have been too weak to stop the invisible pathogen
>if you don't get sick, your invisible immune system must have fought off the invisible pathogen
brilliant

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:18:43 2023 No.15132970 >>15132905 >if weed is supposed to make you stoned why do some people get paranoid? People are different

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:19:27 2023 No.15132972 >>15132970 So in other words, the bodies (the terrain) the germs act on is different. Thanks for adopting terrain theory.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:23:01 2023 No.15132979

>>15132905
>some (unvaccinated, previously uninfected) people get infected with COVID-19 as verified by tests and have nothing at all happen, but others straight up become hospitalized and die
shills can't see that this observation alone disproves germ theory

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:27:31 2023 No.15132988 >>15132915 Nothing actually. The vaxes were bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:28:01 2023 No.15132990 >>15132988 Is it true for all vaccines?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:29:55 2023 No.15132993 >>15132847 >Rather the kek you're literally a pajeet

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:31:20 2023 No.15132996 >>15132990 Yes. They can't help you if your immune system is already broken.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:34:04 2023 No.15133000

>>15132841
>The bacteria are just part of the natural immune system and actually serve to clean up dead or dying cells.
But bacteria can directly drive disease, and antibiotics can cure it. To me it seems obvious that Germ Theory is correct, with terrain mattering as well.

>>15132847
>It is true that some germs can produce toxins, but to say that this proves the germ theory of disease would be like saying that snakes cause death from by poison.
That's such a weird thing to say. A snake bite can kill, people understand it's the venom. A bacterial infection can kill, people understand it's what they produce that is dangerous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:36:39 2023 No.15133004 >>15132879 >What do you need viruses for? You need a cause of infection and the reason infectious disease spreads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:38:41 2023 No.15133007 >>15132946 >invisible Do you think everything you can't see with the naked eye doesn't exist? Do you believe oxygen isn't real?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:38:43 2023 No.15133008 >>15133004 What is "infection" in your mind? There is no spread. More than one person being sick at the same time doesn't imply transmission.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:39:40 2023 No.15133010 >>15132993 I'm not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:42:17 2023 No.15133015 >>15133007 You can see oxygen in certain forms. There's literally a photo of liquid oxygen on the top of the wikipedia page for oxygen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:42:55 2023 No.15133016 >>15132841 So how did the terrain change so that smallpox no longer presents as a disease anymore in modern times?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:43:45 2023 No.15133017 >>15133016 It didn't it was just rebranded to new issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:44:38 2023 No.15133020 >>15133017 Show me a modern presenting disease that is actually the same as smallpox but modern doctors are misdiagnosing it as something else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:45:23 2023 No.15133021 >>15133016 What are you talking about, there's still smallpox. It's just named differently so that WHO can claim that vaccines have "erradicated it".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:46:03 2023 No.15133022 >>15133020 Cowpox.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:46:25 2023 No.15133023 >>15133020 Monkeypox

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:52:33 2023 No.15133036 >>15133016 >>15133020 read this https://viroliegy.com/2022/01/05/was-smallpox-really-eradicated/

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:55:52 2023 No.15133042

>>15133008
>More than one person being sick at the same time doesn't imply transmission.
The fact that you can take a sample from the first person and infect many people with it is a pretty good indicator of transmission. That's been done with plenty of challenge trials.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:57:48 2023 No.15133047 >>15133042 >That's been done with plenty of challenge trials. source or gtfo

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 01:59:18 2023 No.15133051 >>15132841 What is this false dichotomy bullshit? There are diseases caused by bad microbes, there are illnesses caused by bad environments; and those two sources often intermingle to make each other worse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:01:58 2023 No.15133055 >>15133047 Sourced it in another thread, and figured the same people were participating in this thread since it's the same exact arguments being made.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:03:18 2023 No.15133058 >>15132841 >>15132847 >>15132852 >if I keep posting the same thing over and over again then it must be true!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:03:44 2023 No.15133060 >>15133058 This is the first time I have posted this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:04:47 2023 No.15133061 >>15133047 >>15133055 Here >>15131476

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:06:13 2023 No.15133064 >>15132841 How does one clean the tank in real life?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:09:52 2023 No.15133072 >>15133061 Aerosol spread of virii was never new mainstream medicine. Maybe to mainstream media. Presumably you're attacking mainstream medicine and not just mainstream media, so stick to that, as the media knows little of what they report on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:11:58 2023 No.15133079 >>15132905 >and have nothing at all happen I guess you never knew bats have rabies.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:12:33 2023 No.15133081

>>15133042
flu and common cold:
>0/49 men became sick
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/221687
>0/62 men became sick.
>0/50 men became sick.
>0/6 men contracted influenza
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30082102?seq=1
>A higher percentage of people got sick after being exposed to saline compared to those being exposed to the "virus".
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/102609951
>tried to experimentally infect 45 healthy men with the common cold and influenza, by exposing them to mucous secretions from sick people. 0/45 became ill.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/
>The authors concluded that 0/100 became sick as a result of being exposed to the bodily secretions.
https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/34/4/400/832936?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>"It was apparent very early that this individual was more or less unreliable and from the start it was possible to keep him in the dark regarding our procedure. He had inconspicuous symptoms after his test injection of sterile broth and no more striking results from the cold filtrate, until an assistant, on the second day after injection, inadvertently referred to this failure to contract a cold. That evening and night the subject reported severe symptomatology, including sneezing, cough, sore throat and stuffiness in the nose. The next morning he was told that he had been misinformed in regard to the nature of the filtrate and his symptoms subsided within the hour. It is important to note that there was an entire absence of objective pathological changes".
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869798/
>0/200 became sick.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2065253/
>tried to experimentally infect 15 university students with influenza. The authors concluded their experiment was a failure.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.1940.tb79929.x
What are your thoughts on this?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:12:42 2023 No.15133082

>>15133072
I was attacking the media for coverage acting like aerosol spread was unique to SARS-CoV-2 when it's been known for decades that rhinovirus, the endemic coronaviruses, and influenza can all spread via that route. It seems to be a pretty common form of transmission for respiratory viruses.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:24:29 2023 No.15133104

>>15133081
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869798/
I'm not going through all of these, so let's pick this one.

>1. Chimpanzees are highly suitable animals for the experimental study of human upper respiratory infections. 2. Human colds have been successfully transmitted to apes and human volunteers in 44 per cent of instances tried by means of filtered nasal washings obtained from colds. 3. Certain types of infectious colds are caused by a filtrable agent.
Okay...

Here's the PDF: https://rupress.org/jem/article-pdf/52/5/701/1398600/701.pdf
It starts out by describing a chimpanzee that was infected by a keeper, and then explains it's been a common occurrence. Are the chimpazees being tricked, is it really psychosomatic? The entire article is arguing directly against what you claim, that there's filterable infectious agent that is readily passed from humans to chimpanzees, and that they make excellent for study of infection in the respiratory tract.

Let's try another: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19869857/
>Experimental upper respiratory infections similar to "common colds" were transmitted singly and in series through two and four passages in nine out of fifteen persons, by intransal inoculations with bacteria-free filtrates of nasopharyngeal washings obtained from individuals ill with natural "colds." These observations conform with those reported by previous workers and lend further support to the view that the incitant of the "common cold" is a filtrable virus.

>In the first group of experiments seventeen volunteers were inoculated with the Berkefeld filtrate. Fifteen students who worked, ate and slept in the same rooms with the volunteers served as controls. Seven of the inoculated volunteers (41 per cent) developed typical "colds" within 72 hours. None of the controls developed the affection during the period of observation.

Did you read the shit you're posting? Two out of two studies arguing against your claims.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:36:01 2023 No.15133128 >>15132841 >Viruses do not exist per se, they are just dead matter that falls off or out of dead cells. so you think HIV/AIDS, herpes, and warts arent real and are not transmissible?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:41:52 2023 No.15133141

>>15132841

There seem to be so many strange ideas spreading on the internet these days. Attacks on whether recent events were true at first but then greater questionings, about even scientific theories-- like whether germ theory of disease is accurate per this thread.

Back in the '90s people idealized the Internet, said it would bring a wealth of true and useful information to people's lives, making their lives better. And for a time, it did. But then the Great Questioning began, and everything humanity thought they had figured out, suddenly became "up for grabs" for every two bit social media or Youtube user to question. The confident boob overpowered the "expert" and people took fundamental ideas into their own hands to play with, without the training or understanding to read and digest scientific literature to prove or disprove things.

In the face of this questioning, confidence in knowing anything about anything now faces collapse. Threads like this one will destroy the foundation under which modern civilization rests bit by bit, and sow the seeds of total disbelief in the scientific method's ability to understand anything about the world if the scientific method could get germ theory wrong and run with it for over 100 years.

While miasma theory was able to be disposed of in a more insular and controlled era when a small group of intellectuals were considered experts in medicine and their discussions did not reach the common man, now such a huge upheaval would shake the foundations of human confidence in any medicine. We must be honest, by 2100, people won't see a terrainologist to help clean their terrain so they can be healthy. Such a fundamental shift getting to that mode of medical inquiry from the current paradigm would instead destroy the average human's belief that anything could be fixed by anyone claiming scientific expertise and lead to civilizational collapse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:48:54 2023 No.15133153 >>15133128 They are real as a set of symptoms but not caused by some kind of virus transmission

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:50:30 2023 No.15133158 >>15133141 Discussions like this are created artificially to allow space for posts like yours. If they didn't exist, nobody could be conned into giving up their intellectual integrity and the free expression of the internet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:52:16 2023 No.15133162 >>15133141 >n-nooo! if you stop believing in bullshit with no evidence, civilization will fall apart! questioning is bad, and definitely not the whole basis of scientific inquiry!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:55:16 2023 No.15133166 >>15133153 right so you literally think you could go to a gay shower house, take 100 cum loads in your bussy, and not get aids?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:59:20 2023 No.15133176 >>15133166 People literally do exactly that all the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 02:59:59 2023 No.15133178 >>15133176 Eventually you will get GRIDS.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:01:01 2023 No.15133179

>>15133162
Scientific theories are named as such because they do have a great deal of evidence. The main problem is that they are contained in writings so complex and assuming such a level of specialized knowledge that few are qualified enough to actually understand them. Thus, the average person can say they have no evidence, because they wouldn't know where to even find this evidence, let alone evaluate it even if they did find it.

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 03:04:39 2023 No.15133189 >>15132905 tests are tests, VIRUSES DON'T EXIST, you are misinformation government shill

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 03:05:43 2023 No.15133193 >>15132928 exactly. same as "exosomes", just dead cell debris

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 03:09:58 2023 No.15133199 >>15133179 wake me up shill when you make people sick using snot spray in scientific experiment, reproducible.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:18:10 2023 No.15133218

>>15133176
...and in 2003 young people between the ages of 15 and 24 accounted for half of all HIV infections world wide

for herpes and other STDs its even higher... its fine to think the current understanding of a virus is wrong but its obvious there is a biological material agent that uses a form of infection to replicate and spread

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 03:18:14 2023 No.15133219 >>15133082 VIRUSES ARE NOT REAL.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:19:31 2023 No.15133223 >>15133219 YOUR THEROY IS LITERALLY JUST GERM THEORY BUT WITH EXTRA STEPS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:27:32 2023 No.15133234 Louis Pasteur Recants His Germ Theory On his deathbed Louis Pasteur said "Bernard was correct. I was wrong. The microbe (germ) is nothing. The terrain (milieu) is everything." http://www.susandoreydesigns.com/insights/pasteur-recant.html

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:29:06 2023 No.15133238
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>>15133178
>Experiment by exposing someone to a "virus"
>Experiment fails
>They do not get sick
>Hmmm
>Let's just keep repeating the experiment until we get the desired result!
>Germ theory proven!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:31:53 2023 No.15133244 >>15133238 What experiments have you done, anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:32:50 2023 No.15133247 >>15133244 Here's my experiment: - Tested positive for COVID-19 - Did not get sick

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:37:56 2023 No.15133255

>>15133247
>Tested positive for COVID-19
So you had the virus in your body. What were your anti-body levels? Where was it? What contractions? Your health levels? Same reaction in family? Where did you grow up? Jesus fucking christ we have faggots that eat raw meat and survive while others are allergic to water.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:38:45 2023 No.15133256 >>15133247 Here's mine: - Tested positive for COVID-19 - Felt like hell, but only for a little over a day

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:48:34 2023 No.15133270 >>15133255 >Where was it? What contractions? Your health levels? Same reaction in family? Where did you grow up? Sounds like you're an insane terrain theory conspiracy theorist to me buddy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 03:52:46 2023 No.15133273 >>15133247 You're gonna need a higher sample size and more data

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 04:25:49 2023 No.15133310 >>15132865 Virus mania only dispels the supposed evidence attached to viruses it doesn't touch bacteria

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 04:28:35 2023 No.15133319 File: 204 KB, 630x713, altchanguide.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15132841 Schizo but funny

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>>	sage Wed Jan 18 04:52:30 2023 No.15133358 Sage goes in all fields. If I had a time machine, I'd take the L mono PCS from the lab and make sure to inject it directly into her blood stream.

>>	sage Wed Jan 18 04:54:04 2023 No.15133361 Sage goes in all fields. If I had a time machine, I'd take the L mono PCS from the lab, find your pregnant mother, and make sure to inject it directly into her blood stream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:10:42 2023 No.15133386 >>15133356 So what really causes these diseases?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:14:55 2023 No.15133390 >>15133386 Big pharma will never investigate that to tell you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:16:36 2023 No.15133393 >>15133390 So you offer only problems, not solutions

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:22:42 2023 No.15133399 >>15133393 If I found out that actually the sun doesn't orbit the earth, would my observation be wrong if I didn't also offer an observation that the earth orbits the sun?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:44:45 2023 No.15133420 >>15133399 No, but it would be useless practically. People only follow medicine because it raises likelihood of outcomes they want.

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 05:52:43 2023 No.15133431 >>15133256 another personal story from anonymous shill for troosters

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 05:54:09 2023 No.15133433 >>15133223 GERM THEORY IS A HOAX AND GOVERNMENT IS DECEIVING FAGGOT

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 05:55:42 2023 No.15133435 File: 34 KB, 750x508, 32dbrf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15133247 > tested believes in tests from government, believes government>>15133255

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 05:58:59 2023 No.15133438 >>15133435 I don't believe the tests. I'm just working with his own logic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:03:20 2023 No.15133442 >>15133438 When can we take terrain tests to figure out how to fix our terrain?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:07:15 2023 No.15133446 >>15132841 When you're sick do you go to a doctor or a landscaper?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:08:34 2023 No.15133450 >>15133446 Neither. What kind of fucking pussy needs a doctor when they get sick? I have never needed one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:31:35 2023 No.15133473 >>15133450 Lucky zoomer to not have health issues. You'll understand when you're older.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:38:28 2023 No.15133483 >>15133473 I have plenty of health issues. They aren't illnesses per se, just physical problems. I did go to several doctors and they didn't do SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 06:41:31 2023 No.15133487 >>>/x/

>>	Sage grows in the fields Wed Jan 18 07:00:10 2023 No.15133511 File: 17 KB, 283x400, s-l400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15132841 OP is a Flat Earth type psyop managed by Pfizer shills.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 07:22:49 2023 No.15133534

>>15132841
Obviously you can't get sick if you completely clean your environment, but, unless you expect everyone to spend the entire life in a hazmat suit then "cleaning the tank" is just not possible.

Also, if viruses don't exist. What they hell did I catch from my mother then? She was positive for covid, and then 3 days later I was ill as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 07:26:30 2023 No.15133537 >>15132841 are you doing this for free?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 07:28:00 2023 No.15133539 >>15133537 No, he's paid to shit up covid threads since people started laughing at his original pro-vax shilling attempts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 07:30:49 2023 No.15133543 >>15132841 Its not a replacement, terrain theory specifically necessitates a germ theory and modern germ theory practitioners refer to germ terrain as the microbiome.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:13:09 2023 No.15133594

>>15132928
>>15132946
Can you explain simply what you think makes people sick then? Just as someone who genuinely wants to know what the alternative idea is.
I get germs, because it just 'makes sense' as an idea.
Plus anecdotally fits. The only times ive gotten sick in the last couple years were when my niece/nephews were sick and came to visit anyway (as they visit bi-weekly, and i told them to still come). So in these cases we have no shared environment/food/person interaction/activities until they are already sick and come visit me, then suddenly 2 days later im sick.
If its not some virus/germs/bacteria coming from said sick person infecting me, then what is it? And again im saying this as a please explain, not a refutation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:17:17 2023 No.15133600 >>15133511 >>15133537 >>15133539 Not a psyop, I saw this video on Bitchute and was curious if anyone can seriously prove germ theory of disease: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dg1D18lNImyS/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:20:58 2023 No.15133605 >>15133543 >modern germ theory practitioners refer to germ terrain as the microbiome. Do they state that the overall microbiome causes disease? Or do they state that the microbes cause disease?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:21:02 2023 No.15133606

>>15132979
It doesnt though?
Even "the science" can easily explain those differences, with many studies showing the stark differences in sickness levels that low vs high Vitamin D/C levels, sleep amount and exercise amount can contribute to.
Now in this clusterfuck of Covid, they have just purposely ignored marketing/advising all that because its much more useful to them to have it how its going/gone. A weak unhealthy population is easier to control. So the vaccine does just enough to seem like they fixed the problem earning them some praise and sheep, but also doesn't overall improve your health and actually fucks you, thus keeping with their overall goal of fucking us.
But i don't think that does anything to disprove germ theory, as its a purposeful effort to make sure we dont fight off covid too well (but they cant do anything against those already healthy)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:21:05 2023 No.15133607 >>15133600 You matter how clean your tank is, coming into contact with a highly contagious patient will likely give you the disease. Unless you deny the existence of transmissible diseases, I don't see how denying germs is defensible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:25:59 2023 No.15133611 >>15133605 Like I said, its a terrain theory thing, they say that if your microbiome is not properly balanced like a well-maintained fish tank, your body is more susceptible to infection and disease.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 08:48:57 2023 No.15133651 Sorry bro but I will still think less of you for being an AIDS ridden nigger.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 09:13:18 2023 No.15133691

>>15132928
>if you look under the miscroscope you can never see them
Then how do we have so many microscopic pictures of viruses, especially large ones, and how did they produce footage of the Tobacco mosaic virus that was captured by microscopes way back in 1892?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 09:17:34 2023 No.15133701 >>15132972 Anon clearly adopted both theories as modern science did in the 1800s, rather than replacing germ theory with terrain theory as OP suggested.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 10:12:30 2023 No.15133750

>>15132841
>The government has used this fake pandemic and vaccine to fuck with citizens, thats means germs are fake.
Co-opting real things for nefarious purposes is far more easy, achievable and believable.
Just because pharma companies and governments have used medicine and vaccines for their own purpose doesn't mean everything ever about germs, illness and health is a lie. Just an unfortunately notable amount and alot of the stuff that gets shilled most.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 11:34:13 2023 No.15133895 >>15133270 Man, it's almost like your theroy is germ theory but with extra steps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 11:51:37 2023 No.15133938 >>15133895 Germ theory is terrain theory with extra steps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:09:46 2023 No.15133970 >>15132928 >>but if you look under the miscroscope you can never see them But you can see viral terrain under a miscroscope (sic)?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:25:18 2023 No.15133992

>>15133179
Why can't even the experts point to the evidence then? Is the evidence so complex that not even experts know where to find it and evaluate it? If the experts don't have the evidence, how do you know there's evidence then?
>>15133534
For anyone to answer that question properly you would need to include more information, such as what were your and your mother's symptoms, how much time do you spend together, what are your living conditions, did other people around you fall sick etc. If you don't examine any other possible cause and the sole fact that you focus on is "she got sick and then I got sick", then it's obvious you would think that a transimission has occured.
>>15133691
>Then how do we have so many microscopic pictures of viruses, especially large ones, and how did they produce footage of the Tobacco mosaic virus that was captured by microscopes way back in 1892?
But you don't, those are pictures of cellular debris. The particles presented as viruses were never photographed directly from a sample collected from a sick person.
Here's a good video about TMV
>https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/tobacco-mosaic-virus-the-beginning-and-end-of-virology:8
Particles of so-called giant "viruses" have been isolated and photographed, I'll give you that. What is missing is any sort of proof that they posses properties which characterize viruses (basically that they're pathogens). Their function is unknown.
>>15133606
>Even "the science" can easily explain those differences, with many studies showing the stark differences in sickness levels that low vs high Vitamin D/C levels, sleep amount and exercise amount can contribute to.
Avitaminosis itself causes symptoms, that's known. You have just said that low vitamin D/C level and low sleep amount means that you get sick (=develop symptoms) more easily. So why do you need to involve a pathogen when this explanation is enough? It's unnecessary.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:29:33 2023 No.15133998

>>15133992
>The particles presented as viruses were never photographed directly from a sample collected from a sick person.
What part of tobacco mosaic virus made you think humans?
Also they have photographed ebola sampled from humans, you are just plain wrong in your assumptions.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:41:37 2023 No.15134016

>>15133992
My mother is a part time care worker. She goes and keeps a potato company for like two hours a day. The potato tested positive for covid, then my mother became unwell and tested positive. And then I became ill and tested positive. I never leave the house, and spend all day in my room, I don't really interact closely with her, but I still caught it.

On a side note, covid was pretty nasty. I was fucked for like 10 days. The headaches were the worst part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:57:33 2023 No.15134032 >>15132861 I mean, just look at the lifecycle of Anthrax? What kinda idea even is this? Yes some germs good, but some bad. It's simple, follows by evolution. Parasites want to thrive at the cost of their hosts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:58:34 2023 No.15134037 >>15132861 Three kinds of lies Threeway graphs are one of them Can be extremely misleading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 12:59:15 2023 No.15134039 >>15134032 Symbiotic good germs also thrive at the cost of their hosts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 13:15:51 2023 No.15134060 >>15133998 Ebola is another rebranding scam, it's renamed marburg "virus". Again, there's zero evidence that the particles labelled as ebola/marburg virions are infectious agents. Viroliegy has some good reads on both ebola and marburg.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 13:26:36 2023 No.15134077

>>15133218
>>15133166
>>15133128
HIV is a prime example of a fake pandemic. No records of isolation, non-specific symptoms, diagnosis based on PCR test, lethal treatment..
Wanna know why gay people got AIDS? Because they didn't sleep and took drugs every night. Not sleeping and taking drugs every night does that to you, it fucks up your organism.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 13:39:31 2023 No.15134099

>>15133104
Do. Not. Engage. You're wasting your time and more importantly your good will. Don't get demoralized by a nutjob/troll/shill, lest you'll take away from this that trying to change someones mind never matters and become silently complacent whenever the next engineered hysteria breaks out.
What this person does is essentially a derailing tactic. He has been proven wrong again and again and again. Mr. terrain theory and Mr. viruses don't exist have been at it for months and still retards like you fall for it.

It goes in all fields.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 14:09:20 2023 No.15134145 >>15133022 This one is funny >>15133023 And this one's just straight false. Have you even seen and compared the symptoms of the two?

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 14:13:19 2023 No.15134155 >>15134077 with massive anti gay propaganda they have a stressed life. that contributes a lot to their health problem.

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 14:15:46 2023 No.15134162 >>15133998 > tobacco virus omg that is epic fail, totally botched experiment to cover the use of "paris green" poison.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 14:19:42 2023 No.15134172

>>15134099
nta but personally I think there is a huge amount of deception in the field of virology, I don't support the vde poster's position but I think diseases like Polio and HIV are misrepresented or based on bad models.
I think that terrain is much more important than the current medical system assigns value to but I don't think it's the ultimate answer to anything I'm reluctant to voice thoughts on this matter beyond this until I have attained a better understanding in the various pieces of evidence on the topic. My current interest is the role of external dimensions and equally whether /x/'s theory about fungi is correct or at least half correct. But I am only a lay reader with no financial stake in the topic other than my own health.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 14:49:09 2023 No.15134216

>>15134172
to be fair, health is a pretty good priority and therefore motivation to learn.

I do not know what /x/ thinks about fungi, but they as a kingdom are scary, mysterious and very fascinating.

But this does not change the fact that these viruses don't exist guys are on a mission and they shit up everything they come across. I doubt their intentions aren't malicious.

From what I've seen so far, there isn't much valuable to gain from interacting with them.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 16:05:48 2023 No.15134338

>>15134032
A belief you have been taught from birth 'making sense' hardly means anything.

Not saying it's right or wrong. But when learning about something I'm accustomed to conceptual errors and oftentimes scientific errors that disciplines stick hard to and refuse to properly examine or reorganise. So we shall see.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 16:14:54 2023 No.15134351 >>15134216 Have you ever considered the possibility that virology might be wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 16:17:32 2023 No.15134353 >>15134172 what's /x/'s theory about fungi

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 16:43:11 2023 No.15134393 >>15134353 >>>/x/33842529

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 17:00:27 2023 No.15134416 host susceptibility is a huge factor in whether a person gets ill from a pathogen. we vary massively in our susceptibilities to different viruses and bacteria.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 21:31:46 2023 No.15134894 >>15132847 >Infection with certain germs is not proven to cause disease. Disease is really caused by toxins. You're really trying to argue that A causes B but because B causes C that A and C don't have correlation?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 21:45:26 2023 No.15134930

>>15134099
>Do. Not. Engage.
Yeah, you're right. I'm down for a reasonable debate (and I've actually had my mind changed a few times), but it's not worth it with someone who's objective is to be deceptive.

>>15134172
This I can agree with though. I believe viruses exist, I believe they make us sick, but I also believe terrain matters and that the pharmaceutical companies have been doing some shady shit behind the scenes that have led to bad data.

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 21:54:48 2023 No.15134954 >>15134930 your belief is degenerate virtue signalling

>>	Viruses don't exist Wed Jan 18 21:57:48 2023 No.15134960 >>15133691 shill, the word "virus" meant totally different bullshit at that time :) and it wasn't a "tobacco virus"

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:04:07 2023 No.15134974

>>15134172
>>15133104
What this >>15133081 person posted is a corrupted list, either on purpose or by an accident. It probably comes from a series of two articles by Daniel Roytas about influenza
>https://www.humanley.com/blog/what-really-causes-influenza-part-1
>https://www.humanley.com/blog/what-really-causes-influenza-part-2
I remember checking some of the mentioned experiments some time ago, they all checked out, even though the author doesn't mention that sometimes the researchers conducted more experiments which were more successful.
>He has been proven wrong again and again and again
I haven't seen a single evidence of a pathogenic virus ever being isolated from a sick person so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:05:28 2023 No.15134976 >>15134974 >I haven't seen a single evidence of a pathogenic virus ever being isolated from a sick person so far. Frozen smallpox has been held in bioweapons labs for decades. IDK what you want nigga, to be injected with it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:07:50 2023 No.15134984 >>15134145 What is the difference between smallpox and monkeypox?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:09:41 2023 No.15134985 >>15134976 >IDK what you want Some evidence that it's a pathogen and not just toxin, and that it has been isolated from a person suffering from monkeypox.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:10:19 2023 No.15134986

>>15134984
Monkeypox is a sexually transmitted disease where the pustules stay isolated to the area of infection (usually the genitals and mouth). It's not fatal to humans.

Smallpox infects the entire body regardless of the infection site, can be transmitted from non-sexual contact, and it has an extremely high mortality rate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:10:33 2023 No.15134987 >>15134984 Those infected with monkepox tend to have very sore assholes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:10:41 2023 No.15134988 >>15134985 *smallpox

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:11:34 2023 No.15134989 >>15134985 >Some evidence that it's a pathogen and not just toxin, If you're exposed to the toxin of someone who is shedding the toxin, do you believe you'll get sick and start releasing the toxin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:11:39 2023 No.15134991 >>15134985 So now you've gone from "injecting people with it does nothing" to "injecting people with it will hurt them because it's a toxin." How much more backpedaling will you do before you leave the thread?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:13:42 2023 No.15134992 >>15134976 I would appreciate your opinion on the work of Dr Charles Campbell it's not a long read. http://www.whale.to/a/campbell1.html

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:21:13 2023 No.15135009

>>15134992
This was conducted in what year? It seems to have been in the late 19th or early 20th century, long before the weaponization of smallpox in the 1930s.

Look into the research of Unit 731 and other wartime infectious disease experiments if you want to understand how smallpox isn't related to insects (and the transmission of viruses in general).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:21:40 2023 No.15135010 >>15133247 >my empirical experience applies to everyone else Biased post

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:25:44 2023 No.15135018 >>15135009 he lived from 1863-1931 according to his bio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Augustus_Rosenheimer_Campbell also what the fuck happened to wikipedia?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:26:51 2023 No.15135021 Why are you people giving this troll the time of day. I thought this was meant to be the smart board

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:27:52 2023 No.15135022 >>15135009 Do you have a good paper or source?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:27:59 2023 No.15135023 >>15135021 No one browsing 4chan has anywhere close to a triple digit iq.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:28:43 2023 No.15135026

>>15134986
The only difference in symptoms you've mentioned is that monkeypox blisters stay localized. ECDC says
>In cases in endemic areas (Africa), within three days after onset of these prodrome symptoms, a centrifugal maculopapular rash starts from the site of primary infection and rapidly spreads to other parts of the body.
Are there supposed to be other differences between the symptoms?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:29:40 2023 No.15135027 >>15135021 VDE is a dumb troll that doesn't seem very well read even on the topic of viruses not existing. not sure about any of the others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:31:27 2023 No.15135034 Have any of you heard of David Crowe or read his work?

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:32:09 2023 No.15135035

>>15132847
>It is true that some germs can produce toxins, but to say that this proves the germ theory of disease would be like saying that snakes cause death from by poison

Alcoholism is a disease and yet germs don't survive in it. Can someone explain this?

>>15133607
>You matter how clean your tank is, coming into contact with a highly contagious patient will likely give you the disease.
That doesn't happen when you don't let the patient in the tank, captain polio.

Anonymous Wed Jan 18 22:42:27 2023 No.15135059

>>15134989
Well, you don't actually know that someone is really "shedding a toxin". This toxin is not present in samples taken from this someone (feel free to prove me wrong). You have to inoculate tissue culture with it first, then the toxin is obtained in the form of a blend with cellular debris from the culture. The question is whether there even is a shredded toxin and whether the toxin isn't just the cellular debris itself, grown over and over again with the illusion that there is a replicating pathogen. I believe that my body would naturally develop detoxication symptoms when injected with a cellular debris full of chemicals. But I don't believe it would be because of a presence of some specific self-replicating pathogen, but rather because of the simple fact that an alien toxic substance has been injected into my body. You could then take a sample from me, inoculate another tissue culture with it, put it under a microscope, and consider the whole process to be a proof of germ theory. But it's circular reasoning. I hope you see where the problem is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 23:06:40 2023 No.15135103 >>15134338 > We shall see Sure I'm all for it! Come back when you've done your testing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 23:08:39 2023 No.15135108 >>15132847 White blood cells wouldn't go after bacteria if it were good for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 23:08:53 2023 No.15135109 >>15134039 Look up the definition of symbotic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 18 23:12:14 2023 No.15135114 >>15134351 Sure But I sorta doubt an anon on 4chan has everything solved. Even if they may think so. Risk of Dunning-Kruger and all that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 00:40:44 2023 No.15135240 >>15134077 Plenty of non promiscuous people stay up all night and take drugs, but that doesn't give them the symptoms of AIDS.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 00:54:11 2023 No.15135257

>>15135240
>Plenty of non promiscuous people
If you're not promiscuous you won't get the parasites and microbe infections that cause immune collapse. If you read about some of the early AIDS clinics these were homosexual men presenting with as many as 12 concurrent STDs, who were on different antibiotics nearly every day of the year for 2-3 years before HIV was even brought to the US. A human being cannot survive that.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:00:26 2023 No.15135269

>>15135257
Who was the nobel prize PCR test guy that tried to write a review of aids and tried to find the original papers used as proof of aids even asking the original researchers but came up with nothing substantial, I remember him in an interview with some guy talking about the immune suppressive effects of semen?

He called Fauci a mental midget who kept running from a debate.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:08:23 2023 No.15135289
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>>15135269
>immune suppressive effects of semen
Do what?
Actually, that would almost make sense. The female reproductive system is pretty hostile, so something within semen that gave sperm the VIP pass to make it past an immune response would probably assist in fertility. Or do you mean ingesting it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:10:27 2023 No.15135293 >>15135269 Kary Mullis. Brilliant scientist who always took the high road. Here is the interview https://odysee.com/@MIGMAG:3/kary-mullis-full-interview-by-gary-null:d

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:13:27 2023 No.15135298 >>15135269 Funny you don't know the important names related to your argument but instead only know Fauci. Too much media consumption, anon. That stuff rots the brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:17:07 2023 No.15135305 >>15135240 They got AIDS by both the indulgent lifestyle and the drugs they pumped into them because of the positive HIV test.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:18:32 2023 No.15135308

>>15135059
>I believe that my body would naturally develop detoxication symptoms when injected with a cellular debris full of chemicals.
But that doesn't happen to all people during human challenge trials, however, it happens quite frequently. It's also not an injection, it's a solution placed in your nose. If you were to do the same with pollen you'd sneeze and move on. Whatever it is (whether you want to call it a virus or toxin) is able to cause substantial cell turnover unlike any irritant I'm aware of.

>You could then take a sample from me, inoculate another tissue culture with it, put it under a microscope, and consider the whole process to be a proof of germ theory.
But the thing is, you can take what we call a virus, place it in someone's nose, then take a sample from their nose and grow the same virus. The genetic makeup will be the same. So you believe a toxin causes people to shed the exact same genetic cells?

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:18:46 2023 No.15135309

>>15135298
It's impossible not to know the guy's name even if you've been actively trying to avoid everything going on the past few years. I don't know what kind of insanely well-armored bubble you live in, but you couldn't enter a grocery store or even check your e-mail without something sliding by with that faggot's name slathered across it.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:23:34 2023 No.15135318

>>15135289
It's less that it suppresses the immune system and more that semen is made of foreign human proteins. It's like injecting the wrong blood type, or getting donated organs from someone outside your ethnicity. If your immune system recognizes foreign proteins in the wrong place it will react drastically.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:28:03 2023 No.15135329

>>15135318
Well, yeah. That's why women have hormonal shifts during pregnancy, to keep from forcibly catapulting the foreign DNA of the body developing within. You're immunosuppressed heavily during pregnancy, but I didn't know that it began as early as the entry of semen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:29:58 2023 No.15135333 >>15135293 >Kary Mullis. Yeah, him, Always used to mispel his name. RIP Kary. sad how he passed away in 2019. One could almost see some sort of conspiracy the number of med guys who died before or were seriously ill during the lock downs.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:31:44 2023 No.15135336

>>15135329
The placenta is the main thing suppressing the maternal immune system. I'm not sure about semen suppressing the immune system but I do know that women can get allergic to semen in very rare cases. Possibly due to sensitization from too many sexual partners but I don't know enough to say.. I know of case studies of it happening at least.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:46:44 2023 No.15135366
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>>15135308
>But the thing is, you can take what we call a virus, place it in someone's nose, then take a sample from their nose and grow the same virus. The genetic makeup will be the same. So you believe a toxin causes people to shed the exact same genetic cells?
>the exact same genetic cells
Can I ask you a question, please? Do you believe that particles such as pic related truly possess a genome that is stored in some genome database? I mean if someone, hypothetically, isolated this particle and determined its genome (including its length), he would get the same thing as is written on the internet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:49:24 2023 No.15135368 Have you heard of Gilbert Ling or Harold Hillman and their research. https://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/96ce/5_Hillman.pdf

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:52:15 2023 No.15135374

>>15133992
> You have just said that low vitamin D/C level and low sleep amount means that you get sick (=develop symptoms) more easily. So why do you need to involve a pathogen when this explanation is enough? It's unnecessary.

This makes absolutely no sense. This suggests there is no antagonistic mechanism, just deviations from "adequate" bodily parameters. The presence of giardia in drinking water has no influence on illness then? Just had a bit of a poor nap and missed out on a sunny day is all.

Bunch of fucking knobs on this site, I swear. Shallow as a puddle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 01:53:47 2023 No.15135378 >>15135374 >This suggests there is no antagonistic mechanism, just deviations from "adequate" bodily parameters. Yeah, so? Why does there have to be an antagonistic mechanism? It's just another dogma.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:00:50 2023 No.15135395

>>15135374
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiamine_deficiency
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pellagra
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scurvy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotin_deficiency
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6#Deficiency
etc.
This is literally what I'm talking about. How does that not make any sense?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:02:50 2023 No.15135398 >>15135395 These tend to present slowly over time and require the nutritional deficiency be addressed in order to heal. They're not sudden, acute illnesses that self resolve even without addressing the nutritional deficiency.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:04:08 2023 No.15135400 >>15135378 >>15135395 Because when you have sex, hypothetically of course, with someone with HIV you don't gain negative vitamins and sunlight points. You gain something, a virus, from the exchange.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:07:24 2023 No.15135406 >>15135400 Pick something other than HIV as your example like hep or or chlamydia or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:34:51 2023 No.15135458 >>15135406 maybe later, too busy healing a gun shot wound with a multivitamin and a sun lamp. You must understand, the bullet and its impact on the body is negligible with the power of make believe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:54:48 2023 No.15135511 >>15135458 So that original paper that proves HIV as the cause of aids you think you can find it where Mullis failed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 02:56:07 2023 No.15135513 >>15135400 And then when you die from pneumonia 20 years later, it was the virus that killed you, not pneumonia.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 03:27:13 2023 No.15135561 >>15135108 They only eat dead bacteria they are janitors of the body.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 04:38:19 2023 No.15135688 >>15135561 What eats live bacteria in the body?

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 06:21:13 2023 No.15135810

>>15135257
>If you read about some of the early AIDS clinics these were homosexual men presenting with as many as 12 concurrent STDs, who were on different antibiotics nearly every day of the year for 2-3 years before HIV was even brought to the US.
wow you legitimately pulled that much shit out of your ass, I am kinda impressed

So you think HIV isn't a real virus but actually 12 other viruses combined into one? Amazing.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 10:40:45 2023 No.15136072
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>>15135810
>So you think HIV isn't a real virus but actually 12 other viruses combined into one? Amazing.

You might be interested in how the HIV tests are conducted.
AIDS is
> Aquired Immune Defficency Syndrom

It's a acronym.
AIDS is a collection of unspecific symptoms which changed over time.

In the beginning it was rashes and Lung Infections of gays who took poppers and other invasive drugs like heroin, which all were pushed in the gay clubs.
In the END of the 80s the symptoms switched from those to "tiredness and certain Antibodies" and a really loose set of symptoms that constantly changed.

But the tests are so shitty, that they require:
> Interpretations
You are required to fill out a form when testing.
> go to AIDS test
> fill out form
> form asks about skin color, sexual orientation and frequency of changing partners
> make Antibody test which explicitly tells: "this test is not accurate"
> never verify Antibody test
> if test is Positive or Negative the Testers will decide on what you have written on your form, to give you a diagnoses.
> gay = AIDS
> black = AIDS
> Female and many partners = AIDS
> people are stuck forever with this diagnoses
> people got prescribed AZT
> chemotherapy with a shitton of side effects
> https://www.catie.ca/azt-zidovudine-retrovir
> side effects are AIDS symptoms and death
> people begged for AZT
> self help groups for AIDS people formed
> some took AZT some didn't trust big Pharma
> all people in selfhelp groups died who took AZT
> AIDS people start to realize it
> they stopped AZT widely and all of a sudden people stopped dying

> 2008 when people became awake the US declared "AIDS" is over
> now gay People get PREPs
> AIDS prophylaxis
> Side effects include AIDS symptoms
> tiredness, vomiting, low antibodies
> so it's again AIDS

To claim that a everchanging virus (so a non-repeatable experiment) causing the diseases, while you are pushed into taking toxic medicin, is so called "obfuscation" or "statistical noise".

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 11:03:53 2023 No.15136099

>>15135108
>White blood cells wouldn't go after bacteria if it were good for you.

white blood cells go after everything, that invades the wrong area.
If I take some bacteria from your kidney, or colon and inject them in your arm, or take a blood sample and add the colon or kidney bacteria to the blood, they would attack...
Because kidney and colon bacteria, have nothing to do in the blood.

White blood cells, are in blood or damaged tissue, where they protect the damaged site, from the wrong things going there.

For example streptocci bacteria, are mostly on necrotic tissue, simmultanously with white blood cells.
And nothing happens there, the streps eat necroting tissue.
Thats why you find them not only in lung necrosis but also in diebetic legs which go into necrosis because they are not propperly supplied with oxigen.
And yet the white blood cells do nothing there. Even if they are active.

If you take a healthy blood sample, and then add streps it will be "invasive".

And always despite "antibiotic" treatment so killing the streps people required amputation.
Because it's like killing the trash man and now toxic decomposing waste chemicals leaching into your water supply:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15908860/

"Blood cultures were positive in 4 patients, one in septic shock. Half the patients (n=13) underwent amputation, despite initially appropriate antibiotic treatment. No patients died but 3 relapsed."

"Despite intensive antibiotic therapy and adequate debridement, amputation is often required in diabetic patients because of severe damage to the tissue and poor vascularization."

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 11:32:11 2023 No.15136130

>>15132841
so we're all agreeing that germs don't cause diseases anymore? If you look at it from the angle that our lives are pre-planned, as in a person planning a life where they inevitably catch some kind of disease to learn some sort of lesson, then the person would catch the disease no matter what. Or is it that, the person would inevitably be infected by the GERM that causes the disease no matter what instead. There's different ways to look it everything. Scientist are trained to only look it one way. Spirit-Science forces you to look it in every way.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 11:42:57 2023 No.15136145

>>15135308
>But that doesn't happen to all people during human challenge trials, however, it happens quite frequently.
Is that supposed to be an indication of a pathogen? I don't understand.
>If you were to do the same with pollen you'd sneeze and move on. Whatever it is (whether you want to call it a virus or toxin) is able to cause substantial cell turnover unlike any irritant I'm aware of.
Yeah, well, so you say. Can you support this claim with something? And if it was the case, does that exclude the possibility that it's simply a stronger poison than polen? Does that really say anything about the alleged replication and transmission abilities of the virus/toxin?

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 11:46:06 2023 No.15136150

>>15135308
>But the thing is, you can take what we call a virus, place it in someone's nose, then take a sample from their nose and grow the same virus.
The substance that is being "placed" is a cellular debris with an alleged pathogen in a medium. Sure. You can take cellular debris, place it in someone's nose, then take a sample from their nose and ""grow"" it on a culture to obtain another cellular debris. You're not growing a virus, you're mechanically and chemically damaging a tissue culture until it dies wich you perceive as an evidence of a pathogen.
>The genetic makeup will be the same.
Virologist then picks quantum of genetic material of unknown origin from the dying culture, arbitrarily aligns it into a single string, and then says that this artificial genome is possesed by every particle of certain morphology that have appeared during the cytopathic effect. This claim is completely unsubstantiated. It just doesn't follow. There is no link between the genome and the marked particle on the micrograph.
And the best part is that when someone does the same thing but obtains a slightly different genome, every sane person would see that it's an indication that the genome has been assembled from genetic material of various origins. But what do the virologists say? The virus has mutated. Right.
>So you believe a toxin causes people to shed the exact same genetic cells?
But you don't know that people shed the same genetic cells. You never isolate these genetic cells from samples and read their genetic information in its full length. You don't even know that some special cells are being shedded in the first place, it's not like they're being found in samples on a regular basis, even though the organism is supposed to be overflown with the virus. That alone is a huge red flag. You never check for the whole genome, only for a very short fragment, and as I've said before, the origin of this fragment is unknown and unverified.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 11:53:46 2023 No.15136157 >>15136072 If I take 1000 tests and get 1 false positive, I will be labelled as an HIV patient for the rest of my life. If I die of tuberculosis 20 years later, I will be recorded as an HIV victim. It's ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 12:22:12 2023 No.15136173 File: 55 KB, 709x764, false_pos.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15136157 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/cause-of-false-positive-hiv-results#hiv-prevalence

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 13:29:06 2023 No.15136224 >>15136157 cancer actually triggers hiv tests

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 13:53:48 2023 No.15136248
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>>15136224
Literally everything can trigger any antibody test.

Thats why they need your filled out form, for """interpretation""".
Just look up hepatitis.

THEY DON'T KNOW SHIT.
If antibodies are there...
it means according to them:
> you have hepatitis
> you don't have hepatitis and are immune
> you are vaccinated

So the presence of antibodies... cannot be used to determine if you have it...
except the have your medical record and shit...
then... they can interpret it.

Imagine... the hep vaccine (engerix-b) could cause "mild" hepatitis (inflamation of the liver), for whatever reason... lets say because

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/referral/engerix-b-article-30-referral-summary-product-characteristics_en.pdf

because it contains mercury and aluminium...

What would be the implications...?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 14:24:28 2023 No.15136281 >>15136248 I remembered a paper that compared hiv tests to the proximity to cancer. detection of hiv increased with proximity to a tumour makes sense when you consider they based it on Kapolski's sarcoma wha a scam it all is...

>>	VIRUSES DON'T EXIST Thu Jan 19 17:30:25 2023 No.15136591 File: 65 KB, 618x597, 1654252672380.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] still discoossing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 20:04:40 2023 No.15136889 >>15136281 That's an interesting thought. I had never considered that before but it makes perfect sense that it would be detecting certain kinds of cancer antibodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 20:54:47 2023 No.15136996 >>15133141 kys wordcel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 21:34:17 2023 No.15137068 >>15135688 White blood cells?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:39:19 2023 No.15137193 >>15134016 There is a lot of possible explanation as to why you all three got sick that doesn't involve a super tiny particule that has never been properly isolated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:43:08 2023 No.15137198 >>15137193 >never been properly isolated Damn people are still parroting this? May as well be a meme at this point

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:43:36 2023 No.15137199 >>15135240 Poppers. Amyl nitrite. Popper use has a relaxation effect on involuntary smooth muscles, such as those in the throat and anus. Used for gay sexual intercourse. Side effects: give AIDS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:44:15 2023 No.15137200 >>15134016 >The potato tested positive for covid, then my mother became unwell and tested positive. Your mom got COVID-19 from a potato? What was she doing to it?

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:51:25 2023 No.15137217

>>15135308
>But the thing is, you can take what we call a virus, place it in someone's nose, then take a sample from their nose and grow the same virus.
Except this doesn't work.
"Virus" culture do not work in human cells, that is why "virologists" have to "cultivate" the "virus" in rhesus monkey kidney cells.
But even then, the cytopathic effect is mostly likely not caused by a so called virus, but by the very condition of the cell culture, into which antibiotics and anti-fungus are poured into. Those vero cells culture never have control experiment, which are necessary to validate the experiment. And when they do, like in the Peng Zhu experiment, which "isolated" Sars-cov2, the experimental group and the control group weren't in the same conditions. So the experiment is invalid.

Anonymous Thu Jan 19 22:56:48 2023 No.15137227

>>15137198
A vero cell culture that do not have control experiment is not isolation. Same with metagenic isolation. A metagenic isolation that doesn't have control experiment, with healty people, is not valid. Even if there was control experiment, that still wouldn't mean something else is involved that is creating those genetic sequences.
In any case, if you want to prove that a virus exist, isolate it, with density gradient centrifugation, it must be 100% pure virus. Then put it in the same air as healthy people in an experiment. The healthy people should get sick. But that experiment has never been done. Because obviously what "scientist" call "viruses", are exosomes, cellular particle, and do not make people sick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:04:47 2023 No.15137240 >>15137227 I now knight thee Sir Dunning-Kruger

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:24:31 2023 No.15137294 >>15137198 If you think there's a record of a virus isolation, feel free to provide and blow us all away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:26:06 2023 No.15137298 >>15132847 Booooorrrrrrrriiiiinnnnggggg therefore not true.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:47:46 2023 No.15137347 >>15137294 Nothing I provide would ever convince you and vice versa, so why bother?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:50:27 2023 No.15137350 >>15137347 An isolation would convince me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 19 23:58:07 2023 No.15137368 >>15137350 It took me all of two seconds to pull up a study from two years ago that shows isolation in a laboratory setting with capability of infecting animals, would you believe it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 00:01:19 2023 No.15137371 >>15137368 I wouldn't know until I see the study, would I?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 00:08:15 2023 No.15137385 >>15137368 If you're going to post the study, please include a citation of (what you consider to be) the isolation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 02:07:54 2023 No.15137589 >>15137227 What you are proposing is unethical.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 02:36:44 2023 No.15137635 >>15132847 That's like saying a gram-negative bacteria doesn't cause disease but the LPS that is a part of the cell membrane does. Retard.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 06:21:38 2023 No.15137983
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>>15137368
I aswell would love to see a Isolation.
An not a culturing of kidney cells mixed with antibiotics which are known to be toxic to kidney cells, on a starving medium.
And then interpret the cell death as "Virus Atack" without considering any of the noise created.

And with a controll group as well.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 07:45:06 2023 No.15138070
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>>15137635
>That's like saying a gram-negative bacteria doesn't cause disease but the LPS that is a part of the cell membrane does.

Similar to cholesterol.
If it's chained with other lipids, like if food fats it's totally fine.
But if the cholesterol gets isolated, it crystalizes, and then has ionizing and mechanical properties it does not have when it is part of a complex lipid structure.

Isolated cholesterol is crystaline and can cause heart attacks, strokes, clots, capillary ruptures and promotes inflamation.
But most of our body fats is cholesterol and has no negative issues.

Isolates cholesterol is so electromagnetic active, that we even can build LCD Displays with them.
But I would strongly refrain from injecting pure isolated cholesterol in my body, even though it is a essential component of each and every cell membrane of my body.

Believe it or not but molecules have different properties dependent on where they are embeded in.
This is the same for a lot of shit your body produces.
You body produces for example formaldehyde and H2O2 and Hydrochloric acids.
But you can still get poisoned with these chemicals if they leave their designated context.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 07:51:35 2023 No.15138080 >>15132841 this is foolish, viruses are objectively observable and reproduced under microscope, both in viral and aviral forms. we know for a fact from animal studies that these are responsible for the symptomatology of their infections

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 07:58:48 2023 No.15138089
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>>15137589
Yet it has been done.
The propose mechanism of transmitting and receiving a disease was thoroughly tested in the most real life way possible.
And this is the way it is claimed to be the standard way of transmission.
> Breathing in the wet air of someone sick
> and getting their droplets

This was done multiple times up until WW2.
And never could any "transmission" be established even when injected mucus of sick people or sprayed in eyes, nose and mouth.

Never.

And then "ethics" came a long, to forbid these kind of trials...
Why?
Maybe because it raised questions to the proposed mechanism.

Kochs Postulates never could be verified...
Meaning they got disproven.
Because it is not possible to fullfill them.
Yet they are deemed as the gold standard of cause and effect for bacteriological and virological disease transmission...
Even though... it does not work.
> no disease equal to the original hosts disease could every be produced by isolating a supsected microorganism or virus

But we know one thing for sure...
Poison is poisoning people.
If you give people mercruy or arsenic, they all will have similar or euqal issues.
> Neuronal poisoning and the symptoms therof
but for some reason...
It is deemed "esotheric" to say that known and declared poisons, are poisoning people...

But its not esotheric, that non scientifically verified microbiological organisms, which constantly surround us, are killing us.
And that our body is at constant and permanent war with them...

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 08:10:41 2023 No.15138102

>>15138080
>objectively observable
No they are not
>reproduced under microscope
No they are produced in a tube.
Then stained them with uranly acetate.
Then Dry froze them.
Then take a slice.
The take a still image with it with a elcetron microscope. (nothing moves, its a snapshot),

And then it's interpreted.
There is no live real time observation possible within this methology.

VIRUSES DON'T EXIST Fri Jan 20 09:24:15 2023 No.15138187

>>15138080
this is foolish, viruses are not objectively observable and reproduced under microscope, both in viral and aviral forms. WE know for a fact from animal studies that these are not responsible for the symptomatology of their supposed infections.

yet, no experiment has proven that snot is contagious :)

also, WE know you are a shill

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 10:13:28 2023 No.15138215

>>15138080
>viruses are objectively observable and reproduced under microscope,
>we know for a fact from animal studies that these are responsible for the symptomatology of their infections
You're just parroting that. You've never checked for yourself what do virologists actually see under the microscope and what are the methods and results of the experiments that allegedly prove transmission and causality with symptoms.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 10:56:43 2023 No.15138255 OP here I have now been convinced of germ theory. I didn't know what a microbiome was.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 11:14:07 2023 No.15138284

>>15138255
>OP here I have now been convinced of germ theory. I didn't know what a microbiome was.

nice gaslighting.

Germ theory does not say, there are no "germs".
It claims, that germs are the cause of disease.

Microbiome is real and it is beneficial.
And required to live.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 11:44:08 2023 No.15138329 >>15138284 My post wasn't being sarcastic I now understand microbiomes etc. are part of modern germ theory.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 13:53:18 2023 No.15138585 >>15132841 Excellent Watson we must tackle this IMMEDIATELY

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 14:08:44 2023 No.15138623 >>15137368 Those studies done on live animals are not valid, because they do not have control groups.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 14:12:55 2023 No.15138629

>>15138080
>viruses are objectively observable and reproduced under microscope
Yet scientist themselves say that they are unable to distinguish between "viruses" and exosomes. So, if they are unable to distinguish between "viruses" and exosomes, do "viruses" exist? Or are they simply... exosomes.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 14:56:28 2023 No.15138686

>>15132841
Some years back an elderly gentleman came into my office. He had pancreatic cancer and was on chemo. He had absolutely convinced himself that ground up oyster shell could cure his cancer. So much so he stopped the chemo.

Six weeks later he was dead of pancreatic cancer. Moral of the story? /x/ is that way ---->

>>	VIRUSES DON'T EXIST Fri Jan 20 15:48:50 2023 No.15138788 >>15138686 nice fairy tale posed as personal story from anonymous shill. x is your way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 15:52:56 2023 No.15138796 >>15138686 The moral of the story is that he was absolutely fucking based. Enjoy dying slowly on your goymeds.

Anonymous Fri Jan 20 16:13:34 2023 No.15138834

>>15136099
>And nothing happens there, the streps eat necroting tissue.
That's the point of infection. Bacteria eating stuff - bacteria shitting stuff.
Body is filling with bacteria shit and becomes poisoned.
And that poisoning is called "sickness".
Or you will say that bacteria like streptocci doesn't produce anything harmful?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 16:28:45 2023 No.15138856 >>15137347 What aboout The officially endorsed studies used by such medical authorities as the american cdc?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 19:10:32 2023 No.15139181 >>15138834 How the fuck do I know? Killing them obviously does not help at all. If they are the presumed cause, then it should help. But it does not. So they are a symptom.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 20 20:56:35 2023 No.15139423 >>15138834 bacterias appear because your body is sick, not the other way around.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:07:06 2023 No.15140739
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>>15139423
>>15139181
>>15138629
>>15138102
>>15138070
>>15136099
>>15133992

NOOO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BIBLE... UHM THE SCIENCE YOURSELF.

ONLY OUR HIGH PRIESTS... UHM SCIENTISTS ARE ALLOWED TO INTERPRET THESE AND ONLY TELL YOU THE INTERPRETATION, AND YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE IT IS THE WORD OF GOD... UHHH UHM SCIENCE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:26:05 2023 No.15140764 >>15132841 In end, it doesn't matter how you "rebrand" viruses, they still infect and cause sickness and transmit in different ways all the same.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:30:35 2023 No.15140769

>>15140764
It matters if our models our wrong because it means the treatments based on this differing logic and evidence are completely different which produces either a very low cost system or an industry with profits in the trillions.

That's why it matters.
Hillman demonstrated that the entire field is a decption built on self serving interests

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:30:46 2023 No.15140770 >>15140764 >they still infect and cause sickness and transmit in different ways all the same. They don't, that's the point, anon.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:48:06 2023 No.15140793

>>15140770
Diseases are transmissible, it happens all the time, everywhere, just like the flu. From time immemorial.
Even if the transmission vector is unclear, it doesn't magically stops diseases from spreading just because some bozo on a taiwanese basket weaving forum said so.

>>15140769
Certainly a better undersanding can be achieved, but anything that creates antibodies does lessen the impact of these diseases, oherwise our forefathers wouldn't have killed so many native americans with their coughs.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 11:55:47 2023 No.15140812

>>15140793
>Certainly a better undersanding can be achieved, but anything that creates antibodies does lessen the impact of these diseases,
The measles vaccine has been shown to increase joint inflammation risk, many other vaccines seem to highten the risk of other chronic illnesses. I feel that something must be wrong with them or the principles they are founded on.

Also you are very wrong about the flu it chaged behviour quite drastically in the 1800s.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 12:02:01 2023 No.15140828 >>15140812 There's always a chance for that sudden mutation we're not equipped for. And there's also a chance for particular environmental factors to make things worse. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 12:05:04 2023 No.15140838 >>15140828 Anon, I'm telling you your entire perception of what flu is, is not based on its actual historical and contemporary reality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 12:09:25 2023 No.15140844 >>15140838 Oh wow, now that you have said such vague patronizing words I can now see the truth of your wisdom!

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 12:19:17 2023 No.15140870
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>>15140793
>Diseases are transmissible, it happens all the time, everywhere

Go to village.
Poison water supply.
Everyone gets sick.

> Doctor comes by
> oh everyone sick
> must be da infection of the cunnilingugus vaginitis virus
> forces everyon to consoom """antibiotics"""

sage Sat Jan 21 12:23:20 2023 No.15140878

>>15140844
According to english records after about 1890 the case diagnosis rate of influenza exploded, turning from a fickle and unusual disease to a recurring seasonal pattern.
It would take me a while to pull out the sources to back this up but it also ties into the repeated pandemic flus we've seen over the past century

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 13:41:32 2023 No.15141059

>>15140793
>Diseases are transmissible, it happens all the time, everywhere, just like the flu. From time immemorial.
More than one person being sick at the same time doesn't imply transmission of pathogens. That's a hypothesis that requires scientific evidence. There aren't any.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 13:51:03 2023 No.15141078

>>15141059
Things will happen even without papers explaining them.
Scientific evidence is for understanding why but doesn't change what happens and how.
If you go work and some coworker is there coughing flu, and then you and others from the same department catch the same disease, it is in fact correct to hypothesize that the disease was transmitted by aerosol.

If you just want to be smart about the wording then perhaps becoming a lawyer is the better option.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 13:59:57 2023 No.15141104 >>15141078 Circular reasoning. People getting sick doesn't imply transmission of pathogens. I might as well claim that flu is caused by aliens and then use the observation of people being sick as a proof for my claim. It doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:16:53 2023 No.15141142 >>15141104 Yes, correlation doesn't mean causation. But if you know better then go and prove your theories. A model that somewhat works is better than nothing.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:33:12 2023 No.15141188
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>>15141142
> A model that somewhat works is better than nothing.

A model that is wrong is wrong.

> I rather believe in something that is false
> then to admit that we don't know
> and prolly won't ever find the causes for disease

It's multifactoral problem.

So your answer is:
To be a reductionist, to a wrong claim just because, pride narcicists fear the unknown or their "intellect" beeing questioned because they don't have a answer to everything.

> I rather believe a lie then to say I don't know and nobody really knows

> I believe in falsehood until I have a alternative explaination

> Wrong explaination cannot be dismissed
> wrong explaination is true even if disproven until a replacement exists
> "we don't know" is not a tollerable state of Science

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:40:34 2023 No.15141209 >>15141142 That's nonsense. If viruses don't exist, then they don't exist, period. They don't magically appear because you have no better explanation.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:45:36 2023 No.15141216

>>15141142
Also, I don't push any alternative theory. Putting current theories under scrutiny is just as important as creating new ones. The fact that many people consider criticism of accepted theories almost a personal offence is itself a huge red flag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:48:01 2023 No.15141224 >>15141188 Incomplete physics models have been of use, even if incorrect. Some better theory may come around, but it won't change the fact that the former model was at least useful for something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:54:38 2023 No.15141247 >>15141209 Virus is just a word for "infectious substance", it doesn't speculate on the actual nature of what a virus is.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:56:54 2023 No.15141250
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>>15141224
Incomplete physics models are not used to convince you to consume poisones crap.

Incomplete physics models are just nerd circlejerk which relate to infinitesimal small stuff or stuff that is so far away theat it doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 14:58:30 2023 No.15141255 >>15141250 You have no arguments so feel free to shut the fuck up.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 15:18:00 2023 No.15141302

>>15141255
>You have no arguments so feel free to shut the fuck up

Argument is a process of reasoning.
I fact we both have arguments.

Your argument is:
> even if its wrong its better than nothing
> and it should not be questioned

My argument is:
> If it's wrong then leave it open to discussion and not make claims and enforce rules based on the wrong claim

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 15:55:35 2023 No.15141403 >>15141247 No, virus is a word for a special genetic information wrapped in a protein which can penetrate a healthy cell and make it produce more viral particles.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 16:22:42 2023 No.15141470

>>15132841
I mean, if you refuse to accept scientific truths like the fact that virus are real and, yes, we can see them under modern microscopes, why should we waste time arguing ?

>>15132905
Because it's useful for germs to have the ability to produce asymptomatic carriers. It has nothing to do with the nature of the pathogen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 16:48:03 2023 No.15141543 >>15141470 Existence of viruses is not scientific truth. They have never been proved by the scientific method. There's zero evidence that the particles seen on micrographs have the alleged origin and pathogenic properties.

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:06:08 2023 No.15141570

>>15141470
>we can see them under modern microscopes

No.
You see a thing a and claim it to be a virus.

Electron microscopy is destructive and invasive.
Requires dry freesing and heavy metal staining.
Also you only get still images.

How does it prove, that this particle is the cause of a disease?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:09:34 2023 No.15141579 Thoughts on Dr. Garrett Smith?

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:13:06 2023 No.15141588
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>>15132841
absolute false dichotomy some coli serovars are deadly for you not your neighbour, both stances exhibit critical parameters for the prognosis. yes a wound can be saved from infection if we take care of the organism's homeostasy, yes staphylococcus aureus is more dangerous than staphylococcus epidermidis, also you seem to forget about the wide nature of toxins, which can be structural and contingent and not purely designed to attack a third party. mutations occur randomly don't forget that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:15:10 2023 No.15141594 >>15133141 >The confident boob overpowered the "expert" More like the 'experts' became convinced men with penises were women

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:22:08 2023 No.15141610 >>15133438 No, your logic is separate. He said he had a test that said positive, you made the logical leap to mean that must mean he had the virus. Nowhere did you allow in your post the possibility that the test was simply defective

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 17:53:59 2023 No.15141702 >>15141247 doesn't virus mean toxin?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 18:14:43 2023 No.15141761 >>15141702 In the original latin term, yes, it's slimy liquid or poison. But in the modern context you'd use the definition from the guy who studied the tobacco mosaic disease, who defined it as a "contagium vivum fluidum" and dubbed it "virus".

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 18:17:58 2023 No.15141773

>>15141702
It did. Then the hypothesis of virus being a pathogen capable of making your body produce the toxin (i.e. itself) became prevalent. In the 1st half of the 20th century they thought virus is a toxic protein. Since the 50's it's a genetic information that allegedly corrupts your body.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 21 18:48:23 2023 No.15141841 >>15140812 >I feel that something must be wrong with them or the principles they are founded on. Yeah they contain harmful adjuvants

Anonymous Sat Jan 21 22:24:18 2023 No.15142388
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>>15140812
>many other vaccines seem to highten the risk of other chronic illnesses

Dude these shots are full of either phosphates or heavy metals like aluminium or mercury.
These are morbidity increasing shots.
They are not lethal but vaccines are the opposite of a tonic.
They make you deteriorate.

Gardasil has the wierdest toxic crap in it...
Aluminiumhydroxy phoshate sulfate.

Its a reactive neurotoxin.
Associated with MS and chronic fatigue syndrome.
They are """mildly""" poison people.
They herd the cattle.
Make them weaklings.
And dumb.

And in the Trials for vaccines they DON'T use Placebos in the sense of pure saline...
They add these Aluminium Phosphates tp the saline to also have side effects in the Placebo Arm of the study...

It's a scheme to excuse injecting people with poisonous crap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 04:51:31 2023 No.15143102 >>15142388 So do you want your experimental data blind or not blind? If not blind why as it is less accurate than blinded? >>15141594 What does that have to do with germ theory of disease?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 04:56:08 2023 No.15143108 >>15143102 >So do you want your experimental data blind or not blind? If not blind why as it is less accurate than blinded? It's blind if you give them saline.

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 06:56:00 2023 No.15143231

>>15143108
Read the last highlighted bits of the image in >>15142388

If you're supposed to have side effects and don't have side effects, you know you got saline. If you have side effects and know if you get saline you won't get any side effects, you know you're not in the placebo group.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 07:39:36 2023 No.15143253 >>15143231 >If you're supposed to have side effects Poisoning everyone to a base-line level isn't medicine.

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 10:36:18 2023 No.15143470
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>>15143102
So...
They did the following qith astrazeneca:

THEY KNEW that it causes so much side effects, that they used a comperator vaccine with a similar side effect profile to hide the safets issues...
And claimed its to "not unblind them".
This is a retarded excuse to hide safety issues...

I put the wring image aswell.
They use poisoned Placebos.
So that the difference of aide effects don't show up.
It's not a placebo effect.
They literally put adjuvants (which are the cause for side effects) in the placebo.

They Gave 20% of the placebo group a fake placebo, containing every adjuvant except the active ingredient:
> HPV cells.

Fucked over many girls.
They introduced a new mystery adjuvant.
> Aluminium Hydroxyphosphate Sulphate.
Nobody knows what it does, except that it is a toxin.
Never was studies.
Just put in the Gardasil and approved.
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/26/6/285

They put it in the Placebo arm of the trial.
Saline with aluminium adjuvants vs. the vaccine which also contains aluminium adjuvants.
And never disclosed what placebo actually ment to the participants.

Of which some in the Placebo arm, got severe adverse events...
And after the trial, these placebo patients got offered the real vaccine...
> WHICH WORSENED THEIR REACTION

Here is a documentary about it:
https://odysee.com/@QuantumRhino:9/Under-the-Skin:d

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 10:44:09 2023 No.15143481 >>15132861 Pretty sure they do fucking faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 10:47:17 2023 No.15143486 >>15132861 I think the conclusion I have drawn from this is that they on their own do not cause disease but they are part of it. I think Geert Hamers theory needs to be brought into the discussion too

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 10:56:12 2023 No.15143501

>>15143481
>>15143486

Do you even know how electron microscopy works?
You know that the sample gets destroyed and altered during the process of preperation and observation?

EM of organisms and cells is absolutly retarded.

You have to stain the sample with toxic shit, like uranyl acetate and lead citrate, so the Electron microscope can make a contrast image.

You have to dry freeze the sample most of the time, and make a thin slice of the sample.

These two steps alone, are creating so much noise that is is impossible to say: "what you see is what you would also see in the living organism".

And then to create the STILL snapshot of the poisoned and disrupted cells, you have to bombard it with electrons...
Which unavoidably heats the sample up rapidly...

The sample then is destroyed.

The technique alone is not viable for organisms.
For minerals yes.
But for living tissue not in the least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 11:09:11 2023 No.15143523 >>15143501 you can observe bacteria under light microscopy can't you?

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 11:21:27 2023 No.15143545
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>>15143523
Exactly.
You can.
But since Kochs postulates with bacteria don't work.
And you cannot reinfect hosts with said bacteria, and cannot cause the same disease, bacteria failed to be the cause of disease.

Why do you think everything is now focused on viruses.

Because there could never any causality proven thar bacteria cause disease.

They correlate but correlation does not equate causation.

As you can see here:
>>15138089

But what you can 100% repeatable and verifyably demonstrate is that poisonous shit causes disease and destruction of tissue.
Like Mercury is a neurotoxin...
And you do not require a bogous disruptive still image which requires wierd interpreration.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 15:01:44 2023 No.15143945 >>15143545 Are scientists the modern alchemists, still playing with mercury like its nothing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 15:42:07 2023 No.15144022 >>15143945 They literally put it in vaccine and inject it in children. (Thiomersal). Or put it pesticides.

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 15:53:47 2023 No.15144056

>>15143545
>And you cannot reinfect hosts with said bacteria, and cannot cause the same disease, bacteria failed to be the cause of disease.
I will believe bacteria cause disease due to having a visible skin infection/swelling for ~6 months that would not go away until proscribed a specific topical anti-biotic. Don't really care if it's anecdotal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 15:54:18 2023 No.15144058 >>15143945 Alchemists weren't concerned with pleasing their grantmaster

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 16:28:34 2023 No.15144170
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>>15144056
Prolly its because you used cotton seed oil based """antibiotics""".
https://www.ghostdemocracy.com/blogs/ingredients/cottonseed-oil

It most if the time "inactive" ingredients in the crap they sell that helps.
Not the meme Antibiotic.

Like turpentine in vick cold rubs or in the case of antibiotic skin ointments, the cottonseed oil.

Also sodium pyrovate is essential to stop skin nectosis.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1602751113

The memeAntibiotics like neomycin and polymcin are nothing but toxins.

In their """Anti biotic""" ointments it's always the same trick.
They put in everything that is called "alternative medicine quackery" BUT they add ther own crap.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 16:47:11 2023 No.15144203 >>15144170 I said proscribed, not 'over the countered'. Neosporin didn't do jack shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 17:14:38 2023 No.15144273 >>15144203 Tell me the brand name.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 18:11:44 2023 No.15144409 >>15144273 I believe it was Bactroban but it was years ago. Are the inactive ingredients able to somehow neutralize a skin infection with some decent swelling that lasted for roughly 6 months before applying it?

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 18:37:00 2023 No.15144496

>>15132841
Are you trying to rediscover traditional chinese medicine? In tcm, disease is caused by disharmony within the body which weakens it and external pathogens than can penetrate. They address disease not by killing the germs but by aligning and fortifying the body. They say when the body is in harmony, no disease can get to you

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:12:24 2023 No.15144746 >>15138089 >And then "ethics" came a long, to forbid these kind of trials... Dude, they were doing trials in the 80's where they stuck sick people and healthy people in the same room to see who would get sick.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:14:36 2023 No.15144754 >>15144746 They still do challenge trials on humans, you just need informed consent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:18:13 2023 No.15144763 >>15144754 Person-to-person?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:21:24 2023 No.15144772 >>15144763 Yes. Person to person and with lab-grade viral isolates both.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:25:06 2023 No.15144786 >>15144496 See this is why I think some of this stuff is a weird chenese psyop.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:40:22 2023 No.15144833 >>15144746 Any source on that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:58:08 2023 No.15144858 >>15144772 >lab-grade viral isolates cell debris

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 20:58:52 2023 No.15144861 >>15144858 Why does "cell debris" infect people and replicate in challenge studies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:02:36 2023 No.15144870 >>15144861 nta but does it cause the same original disease?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:04:18 2023 No.15144876 >>15144870 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:05:02 2023 No.15144880 >>15144861 I don't know, what's your hypothesis?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:06:15 2023 No.15144885 >>15144880 I have no hypothesis. I observe empirically that small cellular structures infect larger ones, reproduce in a way which causes illness, and can do the same in other animals of the same species.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:11:17 2023 No.15144898 >>15144885 >infect >reproduce >causes illness that's your hypothesis right there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:12:21 2023 No.15144902 >>15144898 It's not a hypothesis because it's not assumed or inducted. It's observed. I observe it to occur empirically.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:12:51 2023 No.15144906 >>15144898 >causes the same illness

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:16:07 2023 No.15144915 >>15144902 can you provide the observation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:19:27 2023 No.15144928 >>15144915 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:19:42 2023 No.15144929 >>15144928 do it, please

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:23:23 2023 No.15144936 Sone viruses are seeemingly fake like HIV/AIDS but that does not necessarily mean viruses do or don't exist, how to ultimately ansdwer the question?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:35:55 2023 No.15144964 >>15144929 No.

Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:36:49 2023 No.15144968

>>15144861
Infection has never been proven. Quite the contrary all the experiment failed, of were without control experiments. Replication has never been proven. A cell dying in in no case the proof that a virus is causing it.
Twisting words like isolation: cytopathic effect caused by antibiotics for cell culture, is not proving anything.
Reminder that seeing exosomes under electronic microscope in not proof of a so called "virus".

Until you manage to rationally prove viruses to me with the necessary control experiment done right, i will not believe in virology.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:42:52 2023 No.15144979 >>15144964 good. I am now convinced that viruses exist, infect cells, reproduce, transmit and cause diseases. science is the best.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 22 21:45:41 2023 No.15144984 >>15144936 You can't prove non-existence in principle. But if noone can name a single virus which isn't "seemingly fake", there really isn't a reason to believe in viruses more than in unicorns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 23 12:13:23 2023 No.15146364 File: 620 KB, 544x829, goldgrube.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15144979 >science is the best. forward with the speed of science

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