Taxes and the rule of law in space?

[Anonymous No.15129159]

When Elon Musk makes it to Mars eventually, will the people living there have to pay taxes to anyone? The space treaty is an international agreement that space is the common heritage of mankind. The tax I would hope to not pay more than any other is property tax, but would there even be land ownership in space? Moreover, there will need to be police and the rule of law on a Mars colony won't there? Otherwise some douchebags could band together and kick people out of their houses or something. Steal women, etc. Are people even thinking about this yet? I know my questions aren't very organized... Feel free to comment on any of them.

[Anonymous No.15129178]

>>15129159
>When Elon Musk makes it to Mars eventually
I stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.15129186]

>all earthoids can think about is taxation
Martians, how much longer will we permit ourselves to live under e*rth's tyranny?

[Anonymous No.15129197]

>>15129159
you needn't worry about any of that because you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129212]

>>15129197
>no gibs? don't care!
negro behaviour

[Anonymous No.15129232]

>>15129212
good post nigel you're still never going to space lol

[Anonymous No.15129235]

>>15129232
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
with Whitey on the moon
Her face and arms began to swell.
and Whitey's on the moon

come on, sing along, you know the words

[Anonymous No.15129239]

>>15129235
the moon missions were fake but even if they weren't you're still never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129240]

You're assuming the UN can survive once technology for civilians to go and live in space exists.

[Anonymous No.15129245]

>>15129239
I can't pay no doctor bill.
but Whitey's on the moon
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
while Whitey's on the moon

[Anonymous No.15129247]

>>15129240
>>15129245
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129248]

>>15129247
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
cause Whitey's on the moon
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
but Whitey's on the moon

[Anonymous No.15129252]

>>15129248
you almost done?
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129254]

>>15129252
and not finish your favorite song? that would be rude.

I wonder why he's uppi' me?
cause Whitey's on the moon?
I was already payin' 'im fifty a week.
with Whitey on the moon

[Anonymous No.15129259]

>>15129254
look I understand you're le based and redpilled faustian spirit conquistador explorer and love jesus... but you're still never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129260]

>>15129259
don't care

Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wasn't enough

[Anonymous No.15129261]

>>15129260
don't care about what
that you're never going to space?

[Anonymous No.15129262]

>>15129261
that's right, boy

A rat done bit my sister Nell.
with Whitey on the moon
Her face an' arm began to swell.
but Whitey's on the moon

[Anonymous No.15129265]

>>15129262
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129269]

>>15129265
ok I'm going to space now cya bye

[Anonymous No.15129270]

>>15129159
There's already bases on mars, the moon, and thousands of other places throughout space. Their black budget programs so they are payed for already by our taxes. We have to evolve as a collective a little more before all that what you're talking about happens tho. First off, we can't survive on the surface of mars without space suits. There's bases on mars already with people and ayys in them but they are deep underground. It won't be like earth with walls an bridges and roads and vegetation and flowers. There's not even any animals on mars. We'll have to grow and bring everything so we'll naturally become more holistic and survival based yet still technologically advanced. Think Star Wars, Star Trek, not the ghetto or the hood on earth. Think sci-fi because that's what it is and how it'll be. All the sci-fi movies you ever saw were trying to disclose and prepare you for this. There won't be police walking around with, there will just be military, ours and whatever civilizations are up there. Our government has already made agreements with the galactic federation. WE HAVE BEEN ON MARS FOR DECADES UNDERGROUND. There was even a mars mission during Bush Jr's presidency and he backed out and left two of our astronauts stranded on mars. There won't be taxes or money or becuase we're bringing everything from earth. There won't be any stores or any skyscrapers or buildings or houses period. The surface will always be pretty much desolate. It'll be more like star wars or star trek, not boyz n tha hood or new jack city or the tv show cops.

[Anonymous No.15129271]

>>15129265
oh come on little negro, that's not the chorus

Was all that money I made las' year
for Whitey on the moon?
How come there ain't no money here?
Hm! Whitey's on the moon

[Anonymous No.15129274]

>>15129270
meds now schizo

>>15129269
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129278]

>>15129271
just because you (pretend to) hate niggers doesn't mean based elonino muskerino will give you a free ticket to mars
nobody's ever going to mars

[Anonymous No.15129281]

>>15129278
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
of Whitey on the moon
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
to Whitey on the moon

Now you know the lyrics.
I hope next time you will join and jive with us black folks.

[Anonymous No.15129282]

>>15129281
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129339]

>>15129159
Hopefully when Elon Musk makes it to Mars, people living here will have to pay taxes to noone. Look how "wisely" russian taxpayers' money is used. The faggots on the tops are wealthy enough to pay for their own toys.

[Anonymous No.15129366]

>>15129282
if starships lives up to the hype space becomes as cheap as a plane ticket to china, and id rather go to space then china desu

[Anonymous No.15129369]

>>15129270
OP here, I actually know our world militaries secretly go all over space (or at least the US and the Nazis do) with flying saucers. I didn't know about the Mars story in particular, though. But Cosmic Disclosure on Gaia TV is amazing. All these insiders telling all these stories about their space travels and aliens and stuff...

[Anonymous No.15129494]

>>15129366
>based elonino finna space me n shiet
you're never going to space

[Anonymous No.15129507]

>moon colonization starts up
>first come first served
>all land is taken after 5 years
>the us has taken most of the bright side
>china sits on the poles while russia got the far side

[Anonymous No.15129510]

>>15129159

>will the people living there have to pay taxes to anyone?

Yes because he is a US Citizen and under the Outer Space Treaty, it would effectively be a US colony especially if it was controlled/dispatched from a US-based communications center like Houston, TX. The only way Musk could avoid all taxes is if he were to buy his own country from another, establish recognized independence within the UNSC, and sea launch everything. You know, the service Ukraine was going to provide until Russia exploded their sealaunch platform in 2014.

[Anonymous No.15129537]

>>15129510
You're acting like some uninfluential billionaire has that kind of power.

[Anonymous No.15129821]

>>15129159
Its not legislated because who cares, if it ever matters the government will start passing laws about space taxes

[Anonymous No.15129840]

>>15129510
Doesn't matter if it is a US colony or not. US citizens are obligated to pay US taxes on money they've earn regardless of location. Tax treaties do allow US citizens to deduct taxes they pay to another country but they only avoid US taxes if that country's taxes are higher than those of the US.
For a Mars colony, unless it was independent, Musk's taxes would work just like they do on Earth. If it were independent, he wouldn't even be able to deduct the taxes he paid to the Mars government. The IRS isn't going to send agents to Mars to arrest him but they can seize his assets on Earth.

[Anonymous No.15129843]

>>15129507
Bright side?

[Anonymous No.15129855]

>scrolls past all the regressive doomer christcuck posts

>>15129159
Basically mars settlement will be done by a corporation owned by investors on earth. It's too expensive to happen any other way. It's possible that taxes would be taken under a different title. Like rent, or board or simply a lower rate of pay so the corporation can afford infrastructure and stuff.

There is no capacity within the law for a sovereign Martian state and any attempt to form one would cause conflict. Especially if the colony is still making money.

Land will likely be leased to ranchers. Inside the habitats you will either pay rent or purchase depreciating properties such as units. At the end of their life they will be knocked down and rebuilt.

The corporation would have it's own private security force once it reaches a certain size.

Basically freedom is impossible. To achieve these things we all need to be part of a larger organisation and that company will most probably require a portion of your income to sustain itself.

[Anonymous No.15129858]

>>15129843
the US has that kind of power

[Anonymous No.15129927]

>>15129855
>Basically mars settlement will be done by a corporation owned by investors on earth. It's too expensive to happen any other way
>The corporation would have it's own private security force
BASED just like in my cyberpunk science fiction media!

[Anonymous No.15129939]

>>15129927
Admittedly a lot of my posts here reflect logical conclusions I have come to while developing my own SciFi novel. We would probably never have gone to the moon if nobody wrote a book about it.

It's very interesting to consider what life would be like in a remote colony run by a single corporation. Probably like one of those remote mining sites or an oil rigg.

[Anonymous No.15129944]

Is there uranium on Mars? Just wondering

[Anonymous No.15129960]

>>15129159
>When Elon Musk makes it to Mars eventually
In 2016, he said he was going to make it there be 2022. Starting with a false premise fully discredits everything which follows it.
Please keep the space travel fantasies and nonsense in it's containment thread >>>/sfg/

[Anonymous No.15129965]

>>15129939
this is where you belong >>>/lit/21532920
not on /sci/, please learn to separate your fictional fantasy life from reality before you post on /sci/ anymore

[Anonymous No.15129968]

>>15129944
Yes and gold too but not on the moon iirc.

>>15129960
Picrel

[Anonymous No.15129982]

>>15129968
Having gold radiation shielding would be kino. Also, Mars naturally has a greater claim to the asteroid belt than earth, all those raw materials would have to pass through Martian depots anyway.

[Anonymous No.15130005]

>>15129982
Ceres is already claimed and Vesta by proxy. So is Venus and Mercury btw. The inner solar system has already been divided up. USA (gov/mil not corporate) wants Mercury. Russia wants Venus. Musk wants Mars but corporations will probably really run the place. Everyone will fight over the moon because it will control earth.

Anyway, there is not much out there that anyone needs. Mars has everything it needs. Settling Ceres though will drive down the price of propellant thereby opening space up to everyone.

[Anonymous No.15130031]

>>15130005
Are you a Star Shitizen paypig?

[Anonymous No.15130033]

>>15130005
How long are any agreements or treaties going to hold after the respective parties have enriched themselves at earth's expense? You can't impose the disproportionate terms of a treaty on colonists when they have 50,000 nukes.

[Anonymous No.15130051]

>>15130031
Do you belong on a science board or a board for religious fruitloops?

>>15130033
>How long are any agreements or treaties going to hold after the earth has enriched themselves at respective parties expense?
Fixed.

I'm not sure but I strongly suspect that at some point, likely triggered by a technological advancement, the earth will no longer be content to take profits and will begin to take much more by force.

I'm not sure what makes you think extra earth colonies would be immune to the nuclear non proliferation treaty. Nukes are suck a brain let tier topic though honestly.

Anyway I'm expecting at least a few centuries before things get violent.

[Anonymous No.15130096]

>>15130051
I believe they'd be immune as the terms simply can't be imposed hundreds of millions of kilometers away. Some countries on earth have broken the non-proliferation treaty to pursue their own ambitions already. Let's say Ceresians began producing interplanetary missiles like Best Korea as part of a bid for greater independence. If earthers attempted to stop Ceres it would be in the interest of Mars to intervene, as they are natural intermediaries of the asteroid belt and its vast wealth. You can imagine how it would play out.

[Anonymous No.15130130]

>>15130096
I've considered these possibilities and they are valid however when you can bombard a planetary target with a gravity well as large as the earth you no longer require nukes. Kinetic missiles are essentially a huge iron spike perhaps with coatings to preserve mass until impact. You launch them from a battery of Maglev rails from a low mass orbital body at high velocity into an enemy gravity well. They are cheaper, faster to make, pollute less and are a superior weapon in almost every single way compared to a nuke. You can see how heavily screened any potential independent operators must be if they want a place out there. It's simply too easy to destroy the earth.

The political complexities I am less Cognizant of. It's complicated. Some colonies may have independence from the start, others will not. Mars will not. If you are independent on Ceres and Mars needs your help to become independent what do you do. It's too early to say, alternatives are possible but for any of that to happen earth's greed must be sated.

Going into this you have to realise that if nobody will trust you with one of those KRUSTY reactors then you are not going to achieve any form of independence.

[Anonymous No.15130144]

>>15129178
>>15129960
I have schizophrenia also, if that matters

[Anonymous No.15130150]

>>15130130
To add further this is what makes locations like Mercury ideal offensive and defensive positions. My understanding is that from Mercury you can slingshot kinetic missiles around the sun vastly increasing their momentum and energy on impact.

[Anonymous No.15130151]

>>15130130
>Kinetic missiles are essentially a huge iron spike perhaps with coatings to preserve mass until impact. You launch them from a battery of Maglev rails from a low mass orbital body at high velocity into an enemy gravity well. They are cheaper, faster to make, pollute less and are a superior weapon in almost every single way compared to a nuke. You can see how heavily screened any potential independent operators must be if they want a place out there. It's simply too easy to destroy the earth.
I like it

[Anonymous No.15130228]

>>15130151
I have to give credit where credit is due from my perspective. Picrel.

Scientists work on the details but it takes artists to put the pieces together and inspire them.

[Anonymous No.15131734]

>>15129507
>first come first served
This can always be changed

[Anonymous No.15131829]

>>15129159
I don't think Elon will make it to Mars.

[Anonymous No.15133350]

I have two questions:
Is there something burnable in Mars so we can harvest energy?
If so, is it practical to carry a machine or will solar panels (that far from the sun) and nuclear batteries always be king there?
I know nuclear batteries would be the answer but it's still expensive and relatively unsafe to be sending one after the other in the future.

[Anonymous No.15133362]

>>15133350
no oxygen in mars atmosphere = no fire

[Anonymous No.15133364]

>>15133350
Mars is short on oxygen. Combustion is a poor choice for energy on Mars. Most people will use solar but during dust storms energy production will drop and there may not be sufficient nuclear for everyone to still be able to do what they want. After the dust storm the panels need cleaning.

Mars is highly likely to provide the radioactive materials required for nuclear power.

[Anonymous No.15133367]

>>15133362
>>15133364
But if the oxygen was carried or produced there with that device I dont remember the name now, would it be possible?

[Anonymous No.15133382]

>>15133367
Possible but energy inefficient. Spending energy to make less energy is not economical.

Hydrogen fuel cells may be a thing but that tech is in its infancy. There is water on Mars to split into the required oxygen and hydrogen and a fuel cell is more efficient than combustion.

But it still takes energy to produce.

[Anonymous No.15133478]

>>>/sfg/