/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15070075]

If lower IQ correlates with a higher fertility rate, then from an evolutionary perspective, are dumber people superior?

[Anonymous No.15070081]

higher birth rates correlate to those that are less likely to survive.

[Anonymous No.15070116]

>>15070075
Yes. It's survival of the fittest for reproduction. It's not survival of the superior, the smart, or the best. We'll be in an idiocracy-like world in no time.

[Anonymous No.15070126]

Only a monkey brain like OP thinks this.
The retards are the biggest incels, they get culled off each generation. In the long-term intelligence goes up.
In a million years if you can't understand quantum mechanics you will be the equivalent of today's downies.

[Anonymous No.15070132]

>>15070075
Sure, in the same way that ants or cockroaches are superior

[Anonymous No.15070405]

>>15070075
In present day developed countries, lower IQ correlates with more surviving children, but this is because our evolutionary pressures are totally distorted. In preindustrial societies, lots of kids dying was the norm, being wealthier meant a much better chance of your children surviving, and being smarter made you likely to be wealthier. Also add in a lack of effective birth control and most places had birth rates that look like Niger today. Basically, we broke the evolutionary feedback loop with birth control and being rich.

[Anonymous No.15070427]

>>15070075
Evolutionists will cope saying reproduction doesn't matter because evolution has no goal apparently

>>15070081
Religious people have always been around though

[Anonymous No.15070443]

>>15070427
It doesn't have a goal because it isn't a thinking thing Anon. It's like saying a rock falling down is "gravitationally succesful" it doesn't mean anything besides what meaning we attribute to the concept. Evolution is just a name we gave a pattern we see in the proliferation or extinction of living genetic variance.
If you wanna boil it down to the most integral function I guess you could define "success" as continuation of existence, or in other words: Survival is the determinant. So yeah OP ask me again in 20 mil years and I'll tell you how it all turned out in the end and which evolutionary branch was more successful.

[Anonymous No.15070446]

>>15070116
spbp

[Anonymous No.15070477]

>>15070427
religion thrives in times of hardship, it is /the/ original coping mechanism

[Anonymous No.15070502]

>>15070075
Only in a VERY limited timescale.

Prior to the past 200 years or so of history, higher IQ was pretty much directly correlated to higher odds of reproduction for males as retards were very likely to die as incels and higher IQ (though not genius turboautist) could thrive and take many women for his harem. And female IQ was irrelevant as they didn't have access to higher education which is the factor that mediates the correlation between higher IQ and lower fertility in women.

In the future at some point, sterilization is going to be mandatory to receive UBI which will remove the vast majority of low income consumers from the gene pool, having kids will be more expensive and require advanced planning thus favoring high IQ once again (alongside religious retards to provide the next generation of lower class laborers)

It is only in this hellish in-between phase of industrial clown world where the most incompetent are given the most opportunity to breed and all the natural human incentives are turned upside-down for the exploitation of profit.

[Anonymous No.15070511]

>>15070075
need a quote on that

[Anonymous No.15070516]

>>15070502
The absolute state of incel lore...

[Anonymous No.15070524]

>>15070075
Once you overshoot the level of intelligence required to handle survival you are straying straight into dysgenics territory and the only possible outcome is nightmarish technotroonery followed by planetary destruction and extinction.

[Anonymous No.15070526]

>>15070075
>If lower IQ correlates with a higher fertility rate,
This has only been true for the past century at most.

[Anonymous No.15070527]

>>15070526
So?

[Anonymous No.15070545]

>>15070502

>IQ test debut dates to 1912 publication by William Stern
>Prior to the last 200 years IQ was correlated to...
>Based gluehuffer anon proceeds to confidently display his erudition by detailing the links and connections between clown world's, harems and international market dynamics with the prose of a man supremely aware of his good fortune of not having been hamstrung by excessive education or even oxygen while being born.

It's like its /sci/ distilled to the purest and truest essence and presented in a nutshell of perfect blank faced sincerity.
It's great. I love it.

Besides general drivel this is the part that really cracks me up. What an amazing test. It can even reverse information intropy to gather data from before it's own inventor was even sperm in the ballsack of his granddad.

This is fucking old kek. Jesus man I'm literally audibly laughing at my fucking workdesk here. Thanks Anon. This post made my day better. Merry Christmas and never change.

[Anonymous No.15070562]

>>15070502

[Anonymous No.15070624]

>>15070524
Off the mark Anon. The game never ceased. It simple shifted. When the environment change and survival depends on securing the basics; Food, safety, shelter - the dealer runs a positive-sum game. Social beings, humans included, generally achieve better hunt and survival chances as individuals when acting in concerted action. The thing is however, scurrying and scrambling to escape predators or find food and stay dry stopped being a problem round abouts 60-40k years ago when we decided towns and tribes of more than 30-150 smelly relatives were a good idea. Fast forward a bit and the positive-sum game is history, so what's the problem? Well, the game doesn't end untill the last complex organic molecule in the world toss a pair of snake eyes, it's just that the rules periodically change while the game is session. The players are never told when this happen, they usually discover the rules the hard way when it cost them their seat at the table. A few short millenia ago the rules changed and the game changed from blackjack to poker. Now they're not competing against the dealer, they're competing against their former partners. The positive-sum game turned into a zero-sum game.
From a proliferating construct's perspective the absence of growth constraints means it's limited solely by the proliferation of the competitors who occupy the same space. That's why we got so smart. That's why we have this grotesquely overdeveloped lump of gray goo in our skulls consuming an absurd share of our energy. The only cases runaway overadaptation occurs in nature is when a selection criteria is both unceasingly applied and the pressure grow at a rate that matches the organism's iterative and constantly improving adaptations over generations - like when the selection criteria is both a survival dependency and a mirror image of yourself - your fellow man and the society you both depend on to thrive.
You're not overshooting shit, you're just off-target.

[Anonymous No.15070640]

>>15070624
>The game never ceased. It simple shifted.
If a species depelops a tendency to "shift the game" in a way that produces mentally deranged, self-culling troons like you, the species is an evolutionary dead end. The natural environment hasn't changed in the last 4,000 years. You are just a non-viable life form that is poorly adapted to it.

[Anonymous No.15070644]

>>15070640
Good thing you're such a paragon then huh? Since it's a zero sum game and all that. If your opponent is a guy like me it should be a breeze to get your shit together, find some ugly broad that will put up with your smell and obesity and find a job that you manage to keep down for long enough to get good at? I mean, how hard can it be if mentally deranged people can pull it off?

[Anonymous No.15070665]

>>15070644
No idea what your bot-generated drivel is all about, but my point still stands: thousands of years are nothing. It doesn't matter if "high IQ" was advantageous a blink ago. We can see now that it wasn't advantageous on a revolutionarily-relevant timescale. It's a dysgenic trait.

[Anonymous No.15070668]

>>15070644
No idea what your bot-generated drivel is all about, but my point still stands: thousands of years are nothing. It doesn't matter if "high IQ" was advantageous a blink ago. We can see now that it wasn't advantageous on a evolutionarily-relevant timescale. It's a dysgenic trait. You might as well argue that cancer is peak performance because it spreads so effectively before it kills the host and gets wiped out. You also don't get to blame the environment changing, since the only relevant changes in the environment were caused by the dysgenic trait itself.

[Anonymous No.15070670]

>>15070075
No. Evolution favored intelligence for most of our existence as a species, which is obviously why we're intelligent in the present. Current fertility trends are brought about by distortions and ultimately can't last, because the people produced by dysgenic policies can't sustain a state which imposes them.

[Anonymous No.15070673]

>>15070670
>this is what ~120 IQ golems actually believe

[Anonymous No.15070681]

>>15070075
Superior is relative. Scandanvians are attractive, generally law abiding and very high IQ people as a collective. Nature doesnt care. Scandanavians wont exist in 200 years. They arent reproducing, being replaced and are race mixing with lower IQ more violent races. Nature tends to favor more violent peoples

[Anonymous No.15070684]

>>15070673
It must be sad to be you.

[Anonymous No.15070686]

>>15070681
Nice try, but I don't acknowledge cause and effect. If superior genes get culled that just means nature is wrong and God will step in to correct it in two more weeks.

[Anonymous No.15070687]

>>15070684
It must be a qualialess void to regurgitate /pol/ talking points from circa 2016 in the current year of our lords.

[Anonymous No.15070688]

>>15070687
Don't browse it, sorry. Go back there if you want a conversation with your intellectual peers.

[Anonymous No.15070689]

>>15070688
>Don't browse it
Did I say you browse it, mouth breather?

[Anonymous No.15070690]

>>15070075
It's closer to a tiered system. Human society has always been designed around a large number of retards and smaller number of smart people who lead. For that reason, smart people being rarer isn't an evolutionary problem, but the design working as intended.
The problem is that technological advancement has been making retards more and more obsolete, so they have to become smarter. This is why public education exists: to make retards into functional human beings.

[Anonymous No.15070691]

>>15070689
Asking you to say something seems too demanding of someone who can only sputter incoherently and foam at the mouth in anger.

[Anonymous No.15070693]

>>15070691
>t. sputters incoherently and foams at the mouth in anger
Call me back when your intellect develops to the point where you acknowledge cause and effect and realize everything you've complained about is a direct consequence of the trait you claim to be superior. lol

[Anonymous No.15070694]

>>15070693
Like everyone else in your life, no, I won't call you back.

[Anonymous No.15070696]

>>15070694
>bot-tier twitter retorts continue
i.e. a concession. The heckin' "welfare state" is not going away, tard. Your depopulation-shilling handlers aren't going away either. Seethe harder and tell me some more about how in your fantasy alternate reality, humanity is a species of spacefaring free market galaxybrains. lol

[Anonymous No.15070700]

>>15070690
>Human society has always been designed around a large number of retards and smaller number of smart people who lead
Follow your smart leaders and troon out.

[Anonymous No.15070703]

>>15070696
I don't spend effort in mocking you because you've been angrily screaming in bad faith at me from your first interaction. It seems you're too stupid to understand that this isn't conducive to the exchange of ideas which you now claim to be seeking from me. I'm sorry that your brain is malformed. Continue replying to me and I will continue insulting you. "lol"

[Anonymous No.15070707]

Why is everyone so mean to each other in this thread?

[Anonymous No.15070709]

>>15070673
yes and those with an iq higher than 120 as well

[Anonymous No.15070710]

>>15070700
You first

[Anonymous No.15070713]

>>15070707
shuddup fag

[Anonymous No.15070715]

>>15070713
:(

[Anonymous No.15070720]

>>15070703
I'm not seeking any exchange of ideas with you, since you are unable to form a single thought on your own and merely serve as an unwitting mouthpiece for the same stale, primitive, diseased worldview that caused everything you complain about in the first place. lol. I am simply using you as an excuse to condemn it once again.

[Anonymous No.15070721]

>>15070709
130 is basically the cap for shitting out that take. I've never seen anyone actually intelligent take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.15070723]

>>15070126
>In a million years if you can't understand quantum mechanics you will be the equivalent of today's downies.

[Anonymous No.15070724]

>>15070721
You don't know anyone intelligent, and the person you see in the mirror is the least likely to fit that description.

[Anonymous No.15070725]

>>15070724
Seethe harder, twitter drone.

[Anonymous No.15070731]

>>15070720
You must truly be in desperate need of attention. lol. By the way, three adjectives is a bit short, I'm sure you could tack on more. Consult a thesaurus if your brain doesn't suffice. Likely it doesn't. lol

[Anonymous No.15070732]

>>15070725
why can't we enjoy a shitpost thread without you faggots spamming low effort bait

[Anonymous No.15070734]

>>15070731
>being this desperate for my (You)s
Don't care. You are worthless and you are getting culled along with your entire belief system as we speak by the very people you worship. lol

[Anonymous No.15070735]

>>15070725
Gonna cry? lol

[Anonymous No.15070740]

>>15070734
I'm superior to you both intellectually and physically, incel boy. Your crush gushes over my jawline. You will never reproduce, and my children will walk the earth your maggoty corpse will be buried in.

[Anonymous No.15070741]

>>15070735
Cry harder, twitter drone. Your bitter tears of rage make for great

[Anonymous No.15070742]

>>15070740
>seething this hard
cringe

[Anonymous No.15070744]

>>15070741
Great what? Cat got your tongue? Mommy wants to use the computer? lol

[Anonymous No.15070746]

>>15070742
have sex

you won't, lol

[Anonymous No.15070748]

>>15070744
>>15070746
>i'm a virgin
Oh.

[Anonymous No.15070750]

>>15070748
No need to state the obvious, we already knew from your first post.

[Anonymous No.15070753]

>>15070750
>twitter bot doesn't know how an imageboard works

[Anonymous No.15070755]

>>15070681
if theres anything to be learned from the last 200 years of human history its that making predictions about 200 years in the future is completely futile

[Anonymous No.15070757]

>>15070753
>n-no, my text is green but he continues to make fun of my impotence, low intelligence, and inability to speak to girls
t. you

[Anonymous No.15070759]

>>15070746
>have sex
What will this solve?

[Anonymous No.15070761]

>>15070755
How many years into the future can we predict? Under what condition do the basic laws of cause and effect stop working according to your technopriests?

[Anonymous No.15070763]

>>15070753
>>15070757
guys how do I <greentext?

[Anonymous No.15070765]

>>15070757
You will never reproduce.

[Anonymous No.15070769]

>>15070761
>How many years into the future can we predict?
Not even a microsecond, every change unfolds an infinite number of eventualities

[Anonymous No.15070771]

>>15070765
I'm sad to say that I already fucked your mother and she spawned you as a failure of a child. It's a burden I must bear.

[Anonymous No.15070773]

>>15070771
See >>15070765

[Anonymous No.15070775]

>>15070773
See >>15070771

[Anonymous No.15070776]

>>15070773
>>15070775
c-c-c-c-combo breaker

[Anonymous No.15070884]

>>15070668
Haha you spastic you can't see shit. I bet you can't even see your own dick without using a mirror. You have no clue about how intelligence was measured 100 years ago let alone 1000. You don't even know what the term evolution covers apparantly. Do you no-shit genuinely think your retarded cancer analogy somehow has any relevance or connection to any of what you're gainsaying? You have no knowledge, no actual evidence, no foundation to base anything you say upon, but even if you did have I doubt you'd be able to make sense of it. Are you afraid of low iq uberapfe negroes chasing you down and overpower you by virtue of "genetically superior" raping ability which is advantageous on the evolutionarily-relevant timescale that spans the time it takes for them to dysgenizise your genetically inferior dickmagnet mudhole?

[Anonymous No.15070887]

>>15070884
Prove me wrong. (You literally can't.)

[Anonymous No.15070932]

>>15070681
"Bullshit descriptive word is based on the subjective perspective of the person using the word which is specifically constructed to describe fucking subjective preference"

Are you fucking retarded? And besides that you're flinging fortune-cookie-quality retard predictions out about events caused by whatever the hell you think "evolution" actually is, despite it being further distanced in time to this day than the written publication on the literal theory that you're trying to sound like you know anything about.
You're just saying disjointed insecure race-war-vibey-ominous wordjumbles because you think they make you sound all world weary and wise-beyond-his-age grizzled movie cop cynical and this is your idea of a smart "Badass realist"?

Nature don't favor shit. All we can conclude is what that what subspecies have survived to this day. And would you know? They both made it through 500 mil years in an unbroken line to this day despite "violent peoples" according to you being "favoured by nature" for millenia. Sounds like they're pretty inferior have failed to actually outcompete their rivals despite having had 20.000 years to get it done while having goddamn mother nature herself as a loyal fan all the while.

[Anonymous No.15070972]

>>15070887
Why would I bother with that? You're proving yourself to be an uneducated illiterate better than I could aspire to match. And you do it with every single post you shit out. That's about the only actual coherent message you have managed to convey in this entire thread - how extraordinarily oblivious and dumb you are wrong and dumb you are.

Where are you from Anon? It can't possibly be a country with classrooms that have floors not made of camel shit. It can't be possible to fail even the most retarded mongrel kid -this- hard in a developed nation.

[Anonymous No.15070991]

>>15070972
See >>15070887. Keep your replies short. I'm literally not reading them.

[Anonymous No.15071000]

>>15070991
It's okay anon. It was pretty obvious from your posts you had a reading disability of some kind. I won't hold it against you.

[Anonymous No.15071001]

>>15071000
Prove me wrong. (You literally can't.)

[Anonymous No.15071107]

>>15071001
hehhe, i've seen this before. he's gone into his inner autism safe place. When they go like this they just mumble and repeat themselves and stare at the floor.

[Anonymous No.15071112]

>>15071107
Okay, but why don't you prove me wrong? Why are you so afraid of discussion?

[Anonymous No.15071244]

>>15071112
lmao
Discussion implies a conversation counterpart. You're more like ugly furniture or a senile parrot lel. I discuss with other people not caricatures. lol, even. The best part is your genuine conviction of not being right. You honeslty, deep down in your innermost soul believe that it cannot possibly be you who might be clueless. No, it is 100% assured that it is a conspiracy out to get you.
It kinda tells a story of being victim of continous childhood bullying or prolonged gaslighting victims. It's a typical learned behavior, a kind of mental armor for their own sanity.
It's tragic and typical and awful and kind of funny. It's just so human. I never found out how to help that kind of people desu. It's a catch 22. They're unable to admit they might be wrong or flawed, which includes being able to admit that they may be wrong about never being wrong. It's like a lockbox with they key shut inside it. I dont know how solve the problem without breaking the box.
Anyway anon. Despite the harsh banter i hold no ill will towards you. Im tired so i'll pop off. Take this as me conceding defeat if you like and it makes you happy.
It's late in these parts. GN Anon. Sweet dreams and merry christmas. Remember im just some random dumb stranger on the internet.

[Anonymous No.15071252]

>>15071244
Didn't read. You could have at least tried masking your impotent ragepost by not making the first sentence full-on seethe.

[Anonymous No.15071253]

>>15070075
Yes morons are superior

[Anonymous No.15071255]

>>15070075
>dumber people
>>15071253
>morons
Low IQ people aren't necessarily dumb or moronic. To call someone dumb or moronic implies profound incompetence, like the one you are displaying. It is perfectly possible for low IQ people, or life forms in general, to be strikingly competent.

[Anonymous No.15071265]

>>15071255
Low IQ means you dont have much anxiety and self criticism making you more confident and ruthless so you will get into situations where sex is inevitable.

[Anonymous No.15071270]

>>15071265
>>>/r/braincels

[Anonymous No.15071282]

>>15071255
Heeeey, wait a minute... Anon is this actually just a big elaborate cope because you scored low on an IQ test even after retaking it multiple times?

[Anonymous No.15071297]

>>15071282
Please refer back to >>15071255.

[Anonymous No.15071303]

>>15071297
Are you low IQ cope-anon or a different one? I wanna know how hard I need to laugh

[Anonymous No.15071304]

>>15070405
Why did you randomly have to say the n-word? You 4chan racists never fail to amuse me.

[Anonymous No.15071313]

>>15071303
I don't know who is living rent-free in your head but it's still objectively true that the average Western college has more actual morons per capita than a 65 IQ tribe of pygmies.

[Anonymous No.15071320]

>>15071270
Every white trash imbecile in trailer parks were fucking since an early age the typical middle class white male stutters like a bitch towards women and basically doesnt reproduce.

[Anonymous No.15071325]

>>15071320
>the typical middle class white male stutters like a bitch towards women and basically doesnt reproduce.
Which is a good thing. >>>/r/braincels

[Anonymous No.15071329]

>>15070502
>the vast majority of low income consumers
The vast majority of people are low income?

[Anonymous No.15071334]

>>15071304
Yeah, it's frankly appaling language. He didn't even spell it correctly. The civilized tone of this board has really gone downhill as of late I must say. It really just goes to show the decline of civilized scientific discourse in this day and age. All we get these days are retarded tranny schizo faggots

Personally I blame television and rock music.

[Anonymous No.15071345]

>>15071313
Hahaha it's actually you. HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA fucking he'll mate if this is satire it's brilliant. If it's not it's just even better. Lmfao

[Anonymous No.15071346]

>>15071325
Whats with that reddit link? Incels are men who arent physically appealing enough to not auto disgust women. An incel just looking at a woman in her directon makes her hostile where as a Chad slicing her mothers throat in front of her makes her feel arousal.

[Anonymous No.15071350]

>>15071345
>Hahaha it's actually you
Actually who? Unironically take your meds.

[Anonymous No.15071382]

>>15071255

>perfectly possible for low IQ people, or life forms in general, to be strikingly competent.

General life forms? That's amazing. I had no idea an IQ test that can be used on general life were invented. That's fantastic news! Finally I can test the IQ of my cat, my cactus and mold on my favourite brie cheese. I bet the mold is really strikingly competent. We just never bothered to pay attention to it because we ignorantly assumed it was dumb just because it's a nonresponsive spore bearing mycelia network that grows on cheese! Thanks for helping us learn Anon!

Could you provide the link to the 'general life form' applicable IQ test you mention? It doesn't matter if it's behind a paywall Anon, I'm guessing it might be the case considering the groundbreaking nature of such a test. We have access to all commonly used credible journals as part of our license pack at Novozymes so it's not an issue.

[Anonymous No.15071386]

>>15071382
I like how all the mouth-breathing retards scramble to illustrate my point.

[Anonymous No.15071394]

>>15071386
Apologies based life form' intelligence analyst Anon. I didn't mean to offend. I'm just really interested in how the process of measuring IQ in life hitherto believed to be impossible to test due to their perfectly unresponsive nature is designed? Could you please provide further information on the subject? Thanks a lot!

[Anonymous No.15071397]

>>15071394
You will never be intelligent.

[Anonymous No.15071497]

>>15071397
But at least I'll be strikingly competent, right?