/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.15065988]

At what point natural philosophy has turned into the scientism cuckery?

[Anonymous No.15065989]

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[Anonymous No.15065993]

>>15065988
about 1650-1750
ketword Newton, Calculus, laws of motions

[Anonymous No.15066033]

read spengler

[Anonymous No.15066040]

>>15065988
Go back to lit or x dumbfuck. Your stupid buzzword 'scientism' holds no power over brainwashed slaves like you

[Anonymous No.15066041]

>>15065988
Ever since the fall of Rome, after that everything was just religionfags

[KYS op No.15066044]

>>15066040
*people who are not brainwashed slaves like you

[Anonymous No.15066053]

>>15066044
That's a cool username

[Anonymous No.15066062]

>>15066040
Let me guess, you fucking love science?

[Anonymous No.15066068]

>>15066062
Yes, so does every intelligent person in the 21st century

[Anonymous No.15066073]

>>15066068
Good.

[Anonymous No.15066080]

>>15065988
When "Trust" switched definitions with "Faith".

[Anonymous No.15066222]

>>15066073
brutal

[Anonymous No.15066246]

The philosophy of science cucks are claiming relevance of their own field by two arguments:
1. The scientific method was allegedly invented by philosophy. (Historically untrue, but let's play along with them for the argument)
2. The scientific method is flawed and needs improvement which allegedly the scientists themselves can't do.

This yields the following questions:
1. Why would philosophy plebs be proud of producing a flawed method?
2. Why didn't they fix it yet? If they are unable to fix it, then doesn't this show their own uselessness?

While you guys are struggling with failing to fix a flaw you simultanously brag about, in the meantime science explains the world around us.

[Anonymous No.15066250]

>>15066246
>science explains the world around us.

[Anonymous No.15066335]

>>15066246
The first step of the scientific method is to formulate a hypothesis. This is entirely outside the realm of science itself. The vast majority of reality does not fall into the domain of science. Scicucks have a talent for science and deeply desire that something they are naturally good at is limitless and all-powerful.

[Anonymous No.15066352]

>>15066246
scientism is the belief that the scientific method is superior, or even the only, form of acquiring knowledge about the world.

[Anonymous No.15066356]

>>15065988
1905

[Anonymous No.15066361]

>>15066352
It's not a belief, it's a factual statement.

[Anonymous No.15066368]

>>15066361
>It's not a belief, it's a factual statement.
Delusion.

[Anonymous No.15066393]

>>15066361
That's a bold claim. Can you prove it?

[Anonymous No.15066398]

>>15066368
>>15066393
there isn't a single twitter/4chan chud who started larping as religious to own the libs, who would choose prayer over modern medicine if they or a family member got seriously sick.

[Anonymous No.15066405]

>>15066398
Imagine being so severely brainwashed that your programming kicks in and you start rambling about imaginary boogeymen completely out of context.

[Anonymous No.15066418]

>>15066398
I am actually religious and a scientist. Those do not have the same epistemological value.
Now stop whining and prove your claim, if that's what you actually believe. Please prove it using science btw, since that's the only way to know anything, according to you.

[Anonymous No.15066429]

>>15066356
What happened this year?

[Anonymous No.15066449]

>>15065988
you'd be better off asking when that irritating knowitall brand of popsci as we know it became a thing. I'd say it arose along with social media, where people started being able to post shit like
>AKTSHUALLY THAT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED BY LE SCIENCE
for good boy points online
Meanwhile the scientific process hasn't really changed for the natural sciences.

[Anonymous No.15066463]

Why do these threads keep getting made
Why post on the science board if you don't like science

[Anonymous No.15066470]

>>15066352
you ought to define what you mean by "knowledge". For anything empirical and testable then the scientific method is the best way of acquiring this form of knowledge. The word science originates from "scientia", meaning knowledge. You could argue that anything that isn't testable isn't truly knowledge, but belief. Now I won't go as far as to suggest that belief is inherently inferior to knowledge, or even necessarily at odds with it to begin with. However, those are two distinct things and shouldn't be conflated.

[Anonymous No.15066472]

>>15066463
I think it's the right place to ask about history of science.

[Anonymous No.15066480]

>>15066429
>annus mirabilis

[Anonymous No.15066489]

>>15066463
I like science though.

[Anonymous No.15066574]

>>15066405
>>15066418
Yeah when some twitter user posted a meme in 2018 with a fedora wearing basedjak as the science lover vs the gigachad tradcath I'm sure that was a real profoundly life changing moment for you guys.

[Anonymous No.15066733]

>>15066250
I love how the success of science makes people like you seethe so much

[Anonymous No.15066735]

>>15066574
>putting your full-blown mental illness on display

[Anonymous No.15066746]

>>15066735
>seething cause I don't take your larp seriously

[Anonymous No.15066748]

>>15066746
>doubling down on your schizophrenic delusions
I'm not even sure what triggered your episode. Nothing I posted is even related to religion. Normaldrones have seriously been losing their minds since the beginning of the scamdemic.

[Anonymous No.15066749]

>>15066574
>profoundly life changing moment
Yes, my euphoria was blissful. How was was it for you?

[Anonymous No.15066755]

Science: works perfectly
Philosophy fans: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MUH SCIENCETISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.15066759]

>>15066755
>i am having a psychotic episode

[Anonymous No.15066770]

>>15066759
Looks like I hit a nerve.

[Anonymous No.15066776]

>>15066770
Looks like you're delusional and stuck in some science vs. philosophy discussion that's happening only in your head.

[Anonymous No.15066777]

What is this philosophy vs science shit that seems to be a theme on this board?
The two are the same thing and philosphers and scientists use each other's findings all the time. There is no dichotomy like what is presented

[Anonymous No.15066782]

>>15066777
Where did science ever use something found by philosophers? Where did philosophers ever produce a result? Science does its job flawlessly, and occasionally a philosopleb seethes.

[Anonymous No.15066785]

>>15066480
>anus mirabilis

[Anonymous No.15066786]

>>15066777
You're seriously clueless about both science and philosophy if you think this is something only found in this board.

[Anonymous No.15066789]

>>15066335
>The first step of the scientific method is to formulate a hypothesis.
That's why science needs high IQ people to do it.
>This is entirely outside the realm of science itself.
It's part of science and most hypotheses build upon early hypotheses. Someone with a good science background is better qualified to do this than a philosopleb.
>The vast majority of reality does not fall into the domain of science.
Except for fringe cases like consciousness or free will everything can be explained by science.
>Scicucks have a talent for science and deeply desire that something they are naturally good at is limitless and all-powerful.
There is nothing wrong about this.

[Anonymous No.15066794]

>>15066782
>Where did science ever use something found by philosophers?
Science is a product of philosophy, mouth breather. Come back when you finish middle school.

[Anonymous No.15066796]

The philosopleb is immunized to all criticism. You can call him a pseud, midwit, soicuck, ignoramus, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But ask him to present the actual knowledge he gained from reading his ancient philosobabble and to critically analyze the truth content of what he read, and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

[Anonymous No.15066797]

>>15066794
Science is older than philosophy. Philosophy was invented in ancient Greece, scientific methodology was already employed in bronze age cultures, even in the Neolithic.

[Anonymous No.15066799]

>mentally ill anti-reflection drones keep pouring in
Their program is obviously keyword-based. The word "philopophy" triggers their routines regardless of context.

[Anonymous No.15066800]

>>15066797
>Science is older than philosophy.
>Philosophy was invented in ancient Greece
> scientific methodology was already employed in bronze age cultures
This is what profound psychosis looks like.

[Anonymous No.15066801]

>>15066797
>scientific methodology was already employed in bronze age cultures, even in the Neolithic.
By Albert Einstein?

[Anonymous No.15066805]

>>15066800
>>15066801
Babylonian astronomers or Egyptian architects were intellectually more advanced and contributed more to scientific progress than any philosocuck ever did. Hundreds of years before philosophy was invented.

[Anonymous No.15066810]

>>15066805
>Babylonian astronomers or Egyptian architects
Were not scientific thinkers and didn't have any notions of science.

[Anonymous No.15066817]

>>15066805
>Babylonian astronomers or Egyptian architects
>These wise men the Greeks call Philosophers; and amongst the Egyptians they were termed Priests; the Hebrews termed them Cabalistos, Prophets, Scribes and Pharisees; and amongst the Babylonians they were differenced by the name of Caldeans; & by the Persians they were called Magicians:

[Anonymous No.15066819]

>>15066810
They were. It may be a shocking revelation for a soiboi like you but it's possible to be a scientist without wearing a labcoat or posting your vaccination status on twitter. Look it up. Science is a methodology and those people used that methodology.

[Anonymous No.15066821]

>>15065988
How do we solve that though, i ised to heckin love it until i realized that i don't understand gravity and i can't go jumping and jumping and jumping from microchips to molecular bio to engineering to weapons cause i was just consuming slop

[Anonymous No.15066822]

>>15066819
>t. fully psychotic

[Anonymous No.15066825]

>>15066822
>t. culturally uneducated, as expected from a philisocuck

[Anonymous No.15066827]

>>15066825
>the psychotic highschool dropout keeps hallucinating "philosopher" boogeymen everywhere
Anyway, there is no discussion to be had here. Anyone who isn't on your level of mental retardation can see you're ill.

[Anonymous No.15066829]

>>15066827
>projecting

[Anonymous No.15066834]

>>15066748
Oof confused. Mentally retarded?

[Anonymous No.15066841]

Niels Bohr
>I felt ... that philosophers were very odd people who really were lost, because they have not the instinct that it is important to learn something and that we must be prepared really to learn something of very great importance. There are all kinds of people, but I think it would be reasonable to say that no man who is called a philosopher really understands what one means by the complementary description.

Paul Dirac
>I tried to appreciate it, but I did not get very much success in trying to appreciate philosophy. I feel that philosophy will never lead to important discoveries. It’s just a way of talking about discoveries which have already been made.

Richard Feynman:
>I rapidly learned that philosophy, as far as I was concerned, the philosophers who were respected were really quite poor and rather stupid people — at least, from the modern point of view. It seems to me that there were trivial errors in logic which were obvious. Very poor, it seemed to me.

Steven Weinberg: http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/167win10/Weinberg%20against%20philosophy.pdf
>The value today of philosophy to physics seems to me to be something like the value of early nation-states to their peoples. It is only a small exaggeration to say that, until the introduction of the post office, the chief service of nation-states was to protect their peoples from other nation-states. The insights of philosophers have occasionally benefited physicists, but generally in a negative fashion—by protecting them from the preconceptions of other philosophers.

Stephen Hawking:
>Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead. Philosophy has not kept up with modern developments in science, particularly physics. Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery in our quest for knowledge.

[Anonymous No.15066842]

>>15066805
Philo Judaeus affirmeth, that by this part of Magick or Astrologie, together with
the motions of the Stars and other heavenly bodies, Abraham found out the knowl-
edge of the true God while he lived in Caldea, Qui Contemplatione Creaturarum, cog-
novit Creatorem (saith Damascen) who knew the Creator by the contemplation of the
creature. Josephus reporteth of Abraham, that he instructed the Egyptians in Arith-
metic and Astronomy; who before Abraham’s coming unto them, knew none of these
Sciences.
Abraham sanctitate & sapientia omnium præstantissimus, primum Caldæos, deinde
Phoenices, demum Egyptios Sacerdotes, Astrologia & Divina docuerit. Abraham the holi-
est and wisest of men, did first teach the Caldeans, then the Phoenicians, lastly the
Egyptian Priests, Astrologie and Divine knowledge.
Without doubt, Hermes Trismegistus, that divine Magician and Philosopher,
who (as some say) lived long before Noah, attained to much Divine knowledge of the
Creator through the study of Magick and Astrologie; as his writings testifie.
The third kind of Magick containeth the whole Philosophy of Nature; which
bringeth to light the innermost virtues, and extracteth them out of Nature’s hidden
bosome to humane use: Virtutes in centro centri latentes; Virtues hidden in the centre
of the Centre, according to the Chymists: of this sort were Albertus, Arnoldus de villa
nova, Raymond, Bacon and others, &c.
The Magick these men professed, is thus defined. Magia est connexio a viro sapi-
ente agentium per naturam cum patientibus, sibi, congruenter respondentibus, ut inde
opera prodeant, non sine corum admiratione qui causam ignorant. Magick is the connex-
ion of natural agents and patients, answerable each to other, wrought by a wise man,
to the bringing forth of such effects as are wonderful to those that know not their
causes.

[Anonymous No.15066843]

>>15066834
>Oof
Zoomers are subhuman.

[Anonymous No.15066845]

>>15066777
Wrong. Deleuze said philosophy has nothing to do with truth or meaning, it has to do with making things up. Nietzsche said feels over reals. Heidegger said that science does not constitute thinking.

[Anonymous No.15066852]

>>15066845
>said
>said
>said

Perhaps you should put them on the phone then...

[Anonymous No.15066855]

>>15066800
>incoherent schizofag with no understanding of where he is calls everybody else psychotic
Meds

[Anonymous No.15066863]

>>15066852
Same schizofag?

[Anonymous No.15066864]

>>15066855
There's nothing incoherent about pointing out that Babylonian astronomers or Egyptian architects had no notion of "science" and didn't adhere to anything resembling a scientific method. You're overtly psychotic and everyone can see this.

[Anonymous No.15066865]

>>15066805
>contributed more to scientific progress than any philosocuck ever did
Cough-'scuse me...

[Anonymous No.15066866]

>>15066864
It's time to take your meds, this is sad. This thread is a great example of what combining 4chan with severe mental illness looks like.

[Anonymous No.15066867]

>>15066863
No, address the issue.

You are speaking on behalf of dead men...what does that make you?...a man, or a servant to ghosts?

[Anonymous No.15066872]

>>15066866
Please tell me more about how a thought process that incorporates religion, tradition and superstition is "scientific". Anyway, you are a keyword-based nonhuman and I'll be sure to trigger your psychotic episodes every day now that I know how your program operates. :^)

[Anonymous No.15066875]

>>15066866
No, youre being stupid and anti-scientific (the literal true definition of Scietism).

You even have a degree, let alone a PhD, in ANYTHING?

>lol look at these (((empires of lies))) lmao dont they know how stupid they are and smart I am?

>Rekt.
>B^)

[Anonymous No.15066877]

>>15066872
Kek quite the projection going on here

[Anonymous No.15066881]

>>15066841
More nice quotes from http://joelvelasco.net/teaching/167win10/Weinberg%20against%20philosophy.pdf
>After a few years' infatuation with philosophy as an undergraduate I became disenchanted. The insights of the philosophers I studied seemed murky and inconsequential compared with the dazzling successes of physics and mathematics.
> I am not alone in this; I know of no one who has participated actively in the advance of physics in the postwar period whose research has been significantly helped by the work of philosophers. I raised in the previous chapter the problem of what Wigner calls the "unreasonable effectiveness" of mathematics; here I want to take up another equally puzzling phenomenon, the unreasonable ineffectiveness of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15066884]

>>15066872
>Please tell me more about how ... is "scientific"
By starting with observations, then creating a model, deriving a testable hypothesis, testing the hypothesis, improving the model ... Please just learn the scientific method, kid. This is basic education.

[Anonymous No.15066886]

>>15066884
>have faith
>thing happen
>faith proved

Checkmate, Satan.

[Anonymous No.15066889]

>>15066405
>>15066735
>>15066748
>>15066759
>>15066776
>>15066794
>>15066799
>>15066800
>>15066827
>>15066843
>>15066852
>>15066864
>>15066867
>>15066872
>>15066875
This is what mental illness looks like

[Anonymous No.15066891]

>>15066889
>>15066889
Refute my two post, third is a Pthhggg!

>cant, cry schizo and run

YOU WILL NEVER BE A SCIENTIST.

[Anonymous No.15066892]

Philosophy is incoherent rambling and most of it is fallacious reasoning based on non sequitur arguments or concepts bearing no rigorous relationship between each other.
Mathematics is the mother of all sciences. It, alone can wear the crown of universalism and claim to present objective truth. Not only it is well-founded, but doesn't change regardless of time nor political narrative.
Everything else beyond what I said is either redundant wandering or useless jabbering.

[Anonymous No.15066895]

>>15066886
Are you willing to deliberately acquire cancer through radiation exposure and seek zero medical treatment to prove religion true?

[Anonymous No.15066896]

>>15066892
>Philosophy is incoherent rambling

Ah jeez...why does this feel familiar...

[Anonymous No.15066898]

>>15066895
...I know of a way to make the body emit gamma rays, through some sort of decay/chemical reaction of monatomic Palladium.

My faith is stronger than your knowledge of [[[science]]].

[Anonymous No.15066900]

>>15066892
Mathematics is a highly developed language which incorporates some patterns observed in reality which makes it useful in science, it's not a science by itself.

[Anonymous No.15066901]

>>15066889
Meds.

[Anonymous No.15068091]

>>15066900
>it's not a science by itself.
But it studies it's topic, how numbers interact with each other.

[Anonymous No.15068506]

bump

[Anonymous No.15069535]

>>15066398
It shows how retarded is your understanding of people and religion autistic loser

[Anonymous No.15069697]

>>15069535
>uhh ack-tually my understanding of religious fairy tales is deeeep and shieeeeeeet
Braindead

[Anonymous No.15070442]

>>15069697
Why are you braindead? Le vax?

[Anonymous No.15070541]

>>15065989
How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.15070605]

>>15070442
>no u
wow u really showed him anon

[Anonymous No.15071215]

>>15070605
Yeah, i know.