/sfg/ - Space Flight General

[Anonymous No.15031561]

Starshield edition

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[Anonymous No.15031566]

Started watching this. Finished season 1 yesterday. This is so damn good, why isn’t it more popular?

[Anonymous No.15031568]

WHERE IS THE NEXT LAUNCH
YOU SAID THIS WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE

[Anonymous No.15031570]

This is my rocket, hope you like.

[Anonymous No.15031573]

>>15031566
>why isn’t it more popular
probably because who the fuck has apple tv

[Anonymous No.15031574]

>>15031568
by sustainable i meant sustained... forever

[Anonymous No.15031575]

>>15031566
because season 2 is pretty bad and season 3 is supposedly complete garbage
only watched 1 episode from season 3

[Anonymous No.15031577]

>>15031566
I heard it goes bonkers further on.

[Anonymous No.15031581]

>>15031566
because the show is total garbage

[Anonymous No.15031582]

>>15031566
>This is so damn good
>why isn’t it more popular?
It's not more popular because it's not actually that good.

However, you already understood that, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.15031584]

>>15031566
>goyslop
I'd rather not

[Anonymous No.15031586]

[Anonymous No.15031591]

>>15031570
Can it reach moon?

[Anonymous No.15031602]

>>15031591
It reached Mars, but like 95% of the boosters are dropped within 10 minutes of launch.

[Anonymous No.15031617]

Friendly reminder that the current plan is a Mars mission every 2 years starting in 2033.

[Anonymous No.15031620]

>>15031617

[Anonymous No.15031622]

>>15031617
Friendly reminder that we've had plans for "Mars in 10-15 years" since the 1990s.

[Anonymous No.15031623]

>>15031566
If you're a basic millenial/zoomer Twitter space nerd you're going to love this.

[Anonymous No.15031626]

>>15031617
jvpitvr vvry svvn

[Anonymous No.15031634]

>>15031622
There wasn't a Moon to Mars program in the nineties with flying hardware either.

[Anonymous No.15031641]

Is anything finally happening?

[Anonymous No.15031642]

>>15031634
Nothing about Artemis can be described as Moon to Mars.

[Anonymous No.15031643]

>>15031641
no

[Anonymous No.15031647]

>>15031642
HLS Moonship

[Anonymous No.15031648]

Nothing about Artemis besides Starship can be described as Moon to Mars.

[Anonymous No.15031659]

>>15031642
The entire point of the Artemis program is putting humans on Mars.

[Anonymous No.15031662]

>>15031648
I wouldn't even really describe that as being a part of Artemis that's Moon to Mars. It's more Artemis adopting a part of an Earth or Mars program for its own lunar return goals.

>>15031659
And the same could have been said about the Constellation program or the Space Exploration Initiative. It dosen't mean that they're serious about it.

[Anonymous No.15031663]

>>15031642
>Nothing about Artemis can be described as Moon to Mars.
U serious ?

[Anonymous No.15031666]

>>15031641
I mean, there is an unmanned Apollo-like capsule around the Moon right now.
3 Moon rockets are in the process of being assembled
World's first fully reusable rocket inaugural flight test is 6 months away.
I think thats good enough.

[Anonymous No.15031667]

Who is going to win HLS Option B?

[Anonymous No.15031671]

>>15031667
us. sfg.

[Anonymous No.15031672]

>>15031663
Add heatshield, flaps and you have a Martian lander.

[Anonymous No.15031673]

>>15031667
https://spacenews.com/nasa-awards-spacex-1-15-billion-contract-for-second-artemis-lander-mission/

[Anonymous No.15031674]

>>15031672
Take the heatshield and flaps off of a mars lander and you turn it into a lunar lander.

[Anonymous No.15031677]

>>15031673
That’s different
>>15031667
It will not be blue fuckup. It will either be the revised Alpaca lander or LockMart

[Anonymous No.15031678]

>>15031667
Mini starship lunar lander

[Anonymous No.15031679]

>>15031667
What I expect: BO-SNC team
What I hope: Northrop Grumman
What I want: Relativity mini Starship

[Anonymous No.15031682]

>>15031679
More info on NG in this instance? What even would they have to bid?

[Anonymous No.15031687]

>>15031662
>flying hardware around the Moon as we speak
>not serious about it

retard

[Anonymous No.15031688]

>>15031682
I'd just trust them with a solo lunar lander over BO or any of the other big contractors. They might've shown a basic lander design at some point but I don't think their plans are confirmed.

[Anonymous No.15031690]

>>15031687
Serious about the Moon, sure. Serious about going to Mars, no.

[Anonymous No.15031694]

Damn even Scott Manley admitted the Artemis footage is worse than Apollo

[Anonymous No.15031696]

>>15031667
I hope that BO bids JARVIS as a Starship-like entry, and not Blue Moon or that National Team atrocity.

[Anonymous No.15031697]

>>15031696
BO doesn’t deserve shit, I hope they bid something stupid and lose

[Anonymous No.15031708]

>>15031690
Right now Lunar Gateway is being built at Maxar and Thales. In its basic design it's basically a very minimal Mars SEP transit vehicle repurposed as a minimal lunar orbital station.

[Anonymous No.15031710]

>>15031694
You made me go through his tweets

[Anonymous No.15031712]

>>15031710
it's at the beginning of his most recent video about retrograde orbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFIvKSVRtZ0

[Anonymous No.15031711]

>>15031708
that's true in the same way the ISS modules are minimal mars transit vehicles, the Maxar SEP is far to weak to serve in any but a course-corrective capacity.

[Anonymous No.15031713]

>Biden picks fights with Musk
>Musk might get Biden impeached for exposing corruption/abuse of power
Who saw this coming?

[Anonymous No.15031715]

how many kilos of oxygen does a person need for 6 months

[Anonymous No.15031716]

>>15031679
>>15031696
second stages are only a good moon lander if you're not that serious about landing on the moon.
also they're objectively worse than a dedicated craft, stop shilling for it.

[Anonymous No.15031718]

>>15031715
0.84 kg per day x 60 = 50.4 kg. Thats without recycling. ISS recycles ~50% of the oxygen.

[Anonymous No.15031719]

>>15031694
scott manley is confirmed to be a turbofaggot and I will disregard his opinions from now on

[Anonymous No.15031721]

>>15031659
That's wishful thinking. Ever heard of the Apollo Aplications Project? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Applications_Program#AES_(Apollo_Extension_Series)_Lunar_Base

My predictions for the Next 10 yrs

2023
STARSHIP OFT - Feb - Apr 2023
Vulcan - Launches on schedule, no one cares and it doesn't affect anything
Maybe 1 more Starship launch, 2 if we're lucky

2024
Artemis 2 launches Q4 2024 - Q1 2025 (SLS is through most of its growing pains IMO)


2025
By this time 2024 Starship has had a few missions deploying starlink sattelites, all are test flights or glorified test flights. HLS launches for the first time along with a tanker ship maybe, in space refueling is demonstrated.

By this time the general public is up to apollo levels of hype and SLS is starting to get some flak vs starship (the normies don't know about the specs but starship is clearly bigger and reusable). Whether Elons Current bullshit will affect the public opinion of starship is yet to be seen (imo twitter stuff is blowing over after he banned kanye).

China will be bullshitting about how they're gonna modify LM9 to be reusable, but they haven't copied enough of the bluprints to build something that wont swan dive into an elementary school.

Russia will be shilling it's F9 clone it has in development, but the ukranian war has caused Roscosmos funding to dry up. Their space station will be a shitty modernized version of MIR.

Neutron launches, probes get to venus and confirm phosphine, but are unable to confirm whether it is biological in origin.

[Anonymous No.15031723]

>>15031713
>spend $40 billion to fight Joepedo

[Anonymous No.15031724]

>>15031721
2026-2027
Dragonfly launches (woop woop)

Starship will now have full cargo service, much like early F9, recovery of the ship is not 100% guaranteed. Interior is being designed and human rating is starting to be taken seriously. It's early customers are more scarce then predicted, as satelite manufacturing compaines adjust to the new paradigm of weight coming before part/material cost.

Artemis 3 Launches and puts people back on the moon. The biden administration will have a field day with the race/gender pandering bullshit, the astronauts will not care (see Victor Glover for emperical evidence on this). Every other interview question will be about politics.

SLS by now has been laid bare, with it's only excuse being that starship is not human rated. Congress is starting to ask questions.

Maybe Vulcan gets SMART working if it hasn't been cancelled by then


2028-2030
First crewed starships launch, one of the missions goes to the space station, dwarfing it in comparison. Japanese Billionare and the other guy get their joyrides around the moon, by now it is clear that starship is fully capable of replacing SLS

Artemis 4 is the last mission to be launched on SLS. Block 1B and 2 never materialize as NASA wants to wash its hands of SLS and is now launching all high mass payloads on Starship/FH. SLS gets canned, boeing is happy they got their payday, NASA is happy they dont have to use SLS.

By 2029 the public doesn't care about the POC and Space messaging anymore. Whether the moon base happens is up to whoever is in Office at that point (if the politcal pendulum holds true then a republican in office would give them a good chance of some funding). Assuming NASA does get it, they will set up a small (5-10 person) outpost on the moon, similar to antarctic colonies, using starship to move high mass payloads with their meager funding.

Musk begins prepping tech to go to mars (MOXIE, fuel production etc.)

[Anonymous No.15031727]

>>15031724
2031
First cargo flights to mars. Whether NASA tries to partner with SpaceX or is too busy focusing on the moon is yet to be seen. Tons of bullshit online about how Musk is gonna rape mars like a colonialist or whatever. They will also whine about planetary protection. No one except the trannies will care.

Public begins to get hyped up for the Mars missions. Hype exceeds apollo levels. A netflix show similar to the inspiration-4 one will become one of the most watched shows, focusing on the crew selection for the first mars mission.


2034-2036
Boots on mars.

By now NASA has 30-40 people on the moon.

LEO has become a haven for commercial space stations performing MicroG research, and as a tourist trap for people worth >$15Million. (see early aviation history)

A major concert, sporting event or maybe like the oscars or something is hosted in space.


Screenshot this, i wanna know if im right

[Anonymous No.15031729]

>>15031708
And none of those plans can be taken seriously. Just count up the number of SLS launches they need for a single Mars mission.

[Anonymous No.15031730]

>>15031711
Gateway is much closer tho. It's the offspring of the "deep space architcture" study NASA conducted in 2011, that became the ARM tug, that became Gateway.
ISS was designed as a space station from the beginning.

[Anonymous No.15031732]

>>15031721
Imagine, if the government didn't waste billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of lives on a pointless war in Vietnam, we would have permanent bases on Mars.

[Anonymous No.15031735]

>>15031732
More likely we'll see few more shuttles and few more wasted SLS money that will go no where.

Honestly, you the inefficiency is off the scale

[Anonymous No.15031736]

>>15031732
Nixon was gonna cancel apollo regardless of Nam, it was one of the programs on his shitlist for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.15031737]

>>15031721
>China will be bullshitting about how they're gonna modify LM9 to be reusable
LM9 is still on paper but they have already said that.
https://spacenews.com/china-scraps-expendable-long-march-9-rocket-plan-in-favor-of-reusable-version/

[Anonymous No.15031741]

>>15031730
It's closer in that they built it with an eye for interplanetary space. It still relies on resupplies and as far as I can tell doesn't have significantly greater radiation shielding than the ISS.

[Anonymous No.15031743]

>>15031721
>the general public is up to apollo levels of hype

That's delusional. General public only cared about apollo when
- the first 2 people landed
- 3 people almost died

Artemis 1 is currently recieving minimal media coverage. Most journalists are still salty about the scrubs and decided to not bother writing stuff about it anymore. The general public stopped caring after the first scrub.

The only Artemis mission people are going to care about massively is Artemis III, and it's not going to be Apollo-level shit, more like SpaceX Falcon-Heavy/Bob&Doug DM-2-level shit

[Anonymous No.15031750]

>>15031736
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-lame-reason-nasa-gave-up-on-sending-astronauts-to-venus-in-1973-1519356/

The space program wasn't very popular at all. EVEN during the moon landing, the support was ONLY 50%. Once that weaned off, the popularity faded.

[Anonymous No.15031751]

>>15031666
>3 Moon rockets are in the process of being assembled
starship, sls, and what else?

[Anonymous No.15031754]

>>15031736
Was he gonna Nix it?

[Anonymous No.15031756]

>>15031711
>Maxar SEP is far to weak to serve in any but a course-corrective capacity

Gateway's SEP propels it from LEO to Lunar orbit.

[Anonymous No.15031758]

>>15031751
He’s probably referring to LM9, LM5DY, or Yenisei

[Anonymous No.15031759]

>>15031741
It *does* have significant radiation-shielding. HALO will have white external isolation. Orion's radiation shelter is supposed to be used in case of a solar storm, just like in a notional NASA Mars mission. It's as close as you can get to the Mars experience (ignoring SpaceX).

[Anonymous No.15031762]

>>15031727
>Whether NASA tries to partner with SpaceX
It's likely that NASA will bankroll much of SpaceX's mars ambitions, on the condition of being able to take a large amount of the credit.

[Anonymous No.15031766]

>>15031756
imo low thrust transfers won't really work for manned missions without some sort of higher power plasma drive, though there's room to argue otherwise I guess.
>>15031759
Oh, that's my bad then.

[Anonymous No.15031768]

>>15031715
Oxygen is never used up

[Anonymous No.15031769]

Found in the depths of Flightinternational.com

A 2006 "moonship" proposal from a ESA/Russian agency of a lunar crewed vehicle made of ATV+Colombus+Soyuz

Interestingly, this had the support of ESA director Jean-Jacques Dordain and Roscosmos director Anatoly Perminov

[Anonymous No.15031772]

>>15031769
KSP would only release several years later

[Anonymous No.15031774]

>>15031766
>low thrust transfers won't really work for manned missions without some sort of higher power plasma drive
why?

[Anonymous No.15031776]

>>15031772
would a heat shield hatch work for lunar reentries

[Anonymous No.15031778]

>>15031718
>6 months
>x 60

[Anonymous No.15031779]

>>15031774
takes too long, the lunar spiral(tm) takes several months, no?

[Anonymous No.15031784]

>>15031762
Musk may not need the money, and will want all the credit for himself (rightfully so)

[Anonymous No.15031786]

>>15031779
yeah, it spends too long in the Van Allen belts for a manned mission

[Anonymous No.15031791]

>>15031743
yeah, you're probably right, more like apollo 8 levels of hype

[Anonymous No.15031793]

>>15031778
Oh right. 0.84 kg x 30.25 days x 6 months = 152 kg

[Anonymous No.15031797]

>>15031758
>Yenisei
Yenisei died in late 2021. Angara 5V is Russia's Moon rocket. It's Angara-5 with an URM as an upper stage and a Blok-D/Briz-M as the TLI stage. It's launch pad at Vostochny is close to being completed. It's kinda small, 35-40t to LEO. Needs 2 rockets per Moon landing, 1 for the Orel (reduced mass Orlyonok version) and 1 for a Luna-28 derived 2-person lander. Russian industry were pissed, Rogozin was pissed but that's the best thing they can afford with their abysmal budget. First flight is NET 2028.

[Anonymous No.15031798]

>>15031737
yeah that's what i was referring to, they will have launched the expendable version by then but the reusable one will forever be a paper rocket

[Anonymous No.15031801]

>>15031791
Need another Bible reading to make fedoras seethe just like Apollo 8 did

[Anonymous No.15031804]

>>15031784
I think he is kind of assuming there won't be much meaningful support for building the colony itself, maybe something for the first landings or something but in that case it could be a way to get "protection" as well, not that much about the money itself
there is going to be a lot of backlash if there is a purely private Mars mission, but if SpaceX is just a provider for a NASA mars mission then I don't think there will be nearly as much
and after a few landings, NASA/the US government could give some more leeway to private companies like SpaceX
the first private LEO spacestations are going to be the start to this

[Anonymous No.15031805]

landerz

[Anonymous No.15031809]

>>15031793
that ain't that much desu. I think a Mars Flyby is very feasible

[Anonymous No.15031810]

>>15031602
makes them more reusable if they don't have to deal with reentry!

[Anonymous No.15031814]

>>15031804
Starlink and Starship will provide enough funding for the mission.

See mars direct for enough evidence that musk will have as many colonists as he wants
If you want something more real, consider that every single person working at McMurdo station (even janitors and barbers) probably has a PhD in something. There are tons of smart people willing to live in remote colonies just cause thats their calling

[Anonymous No.15031815]

>>15031809
The real reason is no one has any clue how to land there

[Anonymous No.15031816]

>>15031809
>Mars Flyby
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15031818]

>>15031816
they will 100% do flyby or orbital missions before the actual landing.

[Anonymous No.15031819]

>>15031724
>2026
>Biden admin

[Anonymous No.15031820]

>>15031814
nobody stays in Antarctica permanently

[Anonymous No.15031822]

>>15031816
This will be the outcome if Starship is too unreliable to become human rated, or just doesn't pan out for whatever reason (pick your doomer meme, TPS, Raptor Honk etc.)

[Anonymous No.15031824]

>>15031816
America's rocket is going there chud and you can't stop it

[Anonymous No.15031828]

>>15031820
Most people leave antarctica during the winter due to the fact that no one can leave at all during the night. Shifts on Mars will last for one launch window (1.5-2yrs), most people will come and go due to radiation exposure, some won't care

[Anonymous No.15031829]

>>15031809
Just because it's feasible doesn't mean that its desirable.

[Anonymous No.15031830]

>>15031819
That's my guess, I didn't vote for him but most presedencies these days last 2 terms.

[Anonymous No.15031832]

>>15031824
that's a grim transfer vehicle.

[Anonymous No.15031835]

VTOL SSTO Spaceplane

[Anonymous No.15031836]

>>15031724
>SLS by now has been laid bare
as what, exactly? sounds like you're just coping with the fact Artemis 1 didn't fail and Starship still hasn't even fired half its engines at once

[Anonymous No.15031839]

>>15031836
Right now most normies dont know about starship. Once it starts launching regularly it will be impossible to avoid comparing it with SLS, especially when the video of the tiny ass orion docking with the gargantuan HLS gets released.

[Anonymous No.15031840]

>>15031729
>And none of those plans can be taken seriously. Just count up the number of SLS launches they need for a single Mars mission.

2-3 every 2 years for the first 8 Mars missions, and less than that if the crew module can be launched on a different vehicle.

[Anonymous No.15031841]

>>15031839
>normies
>Once it starts launching regularly it will be impossible to avoid comparing it with SLS, especially when the video of the tiny ass orion docking with the gargantuan HLS gets released.
normies don't care about any of this

[Anonymous No.15031842]

>>15031809
>Mars Flyby
cuck

[Anonymous No.15031845]

>>15031840
maybe they can clutch some surface science like that but they should start developing artificial gravity soon

[Anonymous No.15031847]

>>15031824
will they provide the astronauts with pornography as means to pass thee time

[Anonymous No.15031849]

>>15031847
even you can use your imagination

[Anonymous No.15031850]

>>15031839
NASA will just 'touch up' the pictures like with Apollo and Orion and the HLS will seem to be of similar size

[Anonymous No.15031853]

>>15031841
94% of Americans watched Apollo 11.
https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1969/1969-09-01-BC.pdf#page=50

Artemis 3 will have similar viewing numbers. Probably >1Billion worldwide because of the population growth since 1969

[Anonymous No.15031855]

>>15031850
meds

[Anonymous No.15031856]

>>15031779
yes, the extra months of leeway that NTP gives is one of the reasons it is favored over NEP

[Anonymous No.15031858]

>>15031839
>the tiny ass orion docking with the gargantuan HLS
God, imagine.

[Anonymous No.15031859]

>>15031818
Why
Wtf is the point of it
Just crash on an attempted landing

[Anonymous No.15031860]

>>15031850
All of those artists are dead. Now all we get are shitty sourcefilmaker animations and 10 year old gopros thrown in as an afterthought.

[Anonymous No.15031861]

>>15031859
Why did they do apollo 8 before 11

[Anonymous No.15031862]

>>15031861
demonstration of deep space comms, free return trajectory, long duration mission etc etc.

[Anonymous No.15031865]

>>15031861
Because governments are scared of embarrassment, not spending extra

[Anonymous No.15031866]

>>15031862
flybys will be for demonstration of interplanetary shielding, longterm operations with no resupply, mars return trajectory, etc. etc.

[Anonymous No.15031867]

>>15031861
Because they were worried that the Soviets were going to do a flyby first

[Anonymous No.15031869]

>>15031866
it doesnt make sense for mars imo. These things can and will be demonstrated with gateway and moonbase. Going to mars is too damn expensive to make a flyby worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.15031870]

>>15031814
I wasn't disagreeing about there being enough money, I said that the first Mars missions will probably be joint Missions with NASA so that SpaceX and Elon get more legitimacy and political protection for the missions, which could be difficult as purely private missions under SpaceX

[Anonymous No.15031872]

>>15031853
Nobody cares about whether SLS or Orion should exist or not. Those NASA guys must have it all figured out.

[Anonymous No.15031873]

>>15031869
Nevertheless, it will be done for safety's sake.

[Anonymous No.15031874]

>>15031824
SLS cuckshed, but a nigger and a woman there so NASA can say that a black person and a person with a cunt were the first closest people near Mars

[Anonymous No.15031875]

What is a space plane?

[Anonymous No.15031876]

>>15031861
Because the soviets had a genuine shot at sending a man around the moon before them.

[Anonymous No.15031878]

>>15031772
>>15031769
I think it's awsome, kinda looks like some kind lunar TKS on steroids with the large pressurized section underneath the return capsule. The Soyuz capsule would've need substancial redesign to include the pass-through heat shield, TKS' VA capsule would have been a better choice considering it does have that feature. The lack of an orbital module is not a problem given the comically large pressurized section.
Colombus is too large, and heavy. The MPLM or just a regular ATV pressurized section should be enough for a 3-man lab. ATV-VA is roughly 30t, heavier (and shittier) than Orion-ICPS, and would need quite a large rocket to launch it to the Moon.
I looks like absolute shit, I love it.

[Anonymous No.15031877]

>>15031866
>>15031869
It important to mention that just as with Artemis, contrary to Apollo, there will be unmanned landings of the human lander before a crewed mission.
A crewed flyby isn't really necessary for either Artemis or Mars.

[Anonymous No.15031879]

>>15031870
What can congress do to stop musk from going to mars once he gets permission to launch people on starship. There are no treaties or international laws that govern PRIVATE appropriation of extraterrestrial land. Besides what the fuck would they even do to contest a hypothetical SpaceX claim on mars? SLS based IPBM (interplanetary ballistic missle)?

[Anonymous No.15031880]

>>15031816
>>15031859
The initial mission will be an Artemis I style flyby in 2033.

[Anonymous No.15031884]

>>15031880
What are those little things? orbiters?

[Anonymous No.15031887]

>>15031879
they could just not give Starship a launch license anymore if Elon/SpaceX gets too uppity
perhaps this isn't a problem if Musk has enough support from the government (like a republican controlled one) at the time the missions launch

[Anonymous No.15031893]

>>15031884
xenon droptanks

[Anonymous No.15031896]

>>15031869
This. Mars Flyby ain't happening, SpaceX or NASA, doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.15031902]

>>15031869
>>15031896
Neither Gateway or a Moonbase are the Mars Transfer Vehicle.

[Anonymous No.15031905]

post more interplanetary transit vehicles

[Anonymous No.15031913]

>>15031905
This image alone justifies leaning on ISRU for simpler vehicle architecture.

[Anonymous No.15031914]

>>15031905
>The Cold War just ended, Space Station Freedom hasn't been canceled, and people think that aerospace budgets aren't about to collapse.

[Anonymous No.15031915]

>>15031884
>>15031893
I believe the four white pods are the xenon droptanks. But what are those black saucer things on the mast up top?

[Anonymous No.15031917]

>>15031915
those look like ion drives

[Anonymous No.15031918]

>>15031913
ISRU is not feasible

[Anonymous No.15031921]

>>15031902
While the rest is debatable, Gateway is definitely happening since under construction and involves international partners. It's cancellation-proof.

[Anonymous No.15031922]

>>15031878
TKS was my thinking too.

Colombus seems to be there because the various studies for a manned ATV estimated the cost of its development to be in the 2-3 billion range (as expensive as the whole program had been up to that point).
Also I see references on german sites of an EADS study of an ATV moon mission from may 2008..

[Anonymous No.15031925]

>>15031918
Solar panels are extremely mass and volume efficient. This makes it feasible.

[Anonymous No.15031929]

>>15031915
Those are the 20 100kw electric propulsion units, their NEP vehicle flies 'sideways' while burning with the EP.

The vehicle is configured that way in order to 1) protect the crew compartment from the reactor's radiation, 2) not route high power or fuel lines through the crew compartment and 3) keep the EP exhaust from hitting the vehicle.

[Anonymous No.15031930]

>>15031797
By 2028 russia will be just some region in China

[Anonymous No.15031931]

[Anonymous No.15031934]

>>15031930
*Alaska

[Anonymous No.15031936]

>>15031918
If you won't do ISRU then what's the point of going?

[Anonymous No.15031938]

>>15031905

[Anonymous No.15031939]

flags and footprints out on Proxima B

[Anonymous No.15031946]

>>15031858
G I R T H

[Anonymous No.15031949]

>>15031934
Why use a black person's skull?

[Anonymous No.15031952]

>>15031938

[Anonymous No.15031956]

I miss Blackbird

[Anonymous No.15031962]

>>15031743
I think the Artemis 3 hype will come close to Apollo 11. It'll certainly be more than DM-2, since the general public doesn't care about LEO astronauts and many probably still think the Shuttle is flying. Most people know about Apollo though and probably think boots on the moon in current year would be cool.

[Anonymous No.15031963]

>>15031949
It was probably shooped from some African PMC thing. Either that or the artist had a groid skull as a model.

[Anonymous No.15031964]

>>15031962
okay it's fun to think we're super elite spaceflight connoisseurs but that's probably not true

[Anonymous No.15031966]

>>15031946
>mostly fuel tank
It's bad. They should build a dedicated reusable LEO-Moon shuttle.

[Anonymous No.15031968]

>>15031966
You need bulk for that anyway to aerobrake. HLS doesn't come back from the moon.

[Anonymous No.15031969]

>>15031921
bet that whole ring is a single piece of aluminum

[Anonymous No.15031970]

>>15031931
Absolute kino

[Anonymous No.15031971]

>>15031918
>t. oil exec fellating brainlet
it is absolutely feasible, life does it on Earth constantly without any assistance from an intelligence

[Anonymous No.15031973]

>>15031946
While HLS dwarfs Orion the scale here is way off, Orion is 5m wide and HLS is 9m wide

[Anonymous No.15031975]

>>15031969
>bet that whole ring is a single piece of aluminum
You can see the stir welds?

[Anonymous No.15031977]

>>15031973
it's a joke edit of the 18m starship prime

[Anonymous No.15031979]

>>15031969

[Anonymous No.15031980]

>>15031721
>the general public is up to apollo levels of hype
Somewhere between indifference and annoyance at the outlay? The mission that will get sustained, meaningful, informed public engagement in spaceflight does not and will not exist. Not even Apollo 11 led to any meaningful political opposition to the curtailment of the space program.

[Anonymous No.15031983]

>>15031969
Yes it is. They use the Cygnus PCM tooling for HALO (and soon iHab). ESPRIT is the only "completely new" piece of hardware for Gateway, it's going to be built at Cannes rather than Torino for practical reasons.

[Anonymous No.15031987]

>>15031975
Stir welds make me uncomfortable. They should've bolted the pieces together or just made the thing of steel

[Anonymous No.15031988]

>>15031659
>The entire point of the Artemis program is putting humans on Mars.
Saying it over and over doesnt make it true

[Anonymous No.15031989]

>>15031983
>Yes it is
>the Cygnus PCM tooling
>>15031979
>single piece of aluminum
>Yes it is
what did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.15031992]

>>15031713
>Musk might get Biden impeached
that Twitter nothingburger? You Trumptards are truly delusional

[Anonymous No.15031994]

>>15031992
its not about trump you dumb dumb, no one gives a shit about that retard

[Anonymous No.15031999]

>>15031994
Nothing at all is going to come out of the Twitter thing. Your judgement is way off by saying that something major is going to come out of it.

[Anonymous No.15032000]

>>15031994
twitter shit is still a nothingburger

[Anonymous No.15032004]

>>15031999
>Nothing at all is going to come out of the Twitter thing

Not untrue, democrat politicians are never prosecuted when they break the law.

[Anonymous No.15032007]

>>15031931
>the SRB shockwave
> the ET foam strikes
Who will survive and what will be left of them?

[Anonymous No.15032011]

>>15032004
No politicians are. Stop caring about retarded shit like muh democrat muh republican.
It's all stupid and you're stupid for being invested in it.

[Anonymous No.15032012]

>>15031989
By single piece I understood "it's all aluminium"

[Anonymous No.15032013]

WHY ARE SO MANY MODULES MADE IN ITALY?

[Anonymous No.15032014]

>>15032013
Politics. Same reason the DoD adopted the Beretta.

[Anonymous No.15032015]

>>15032013
SUSTAINABLE

[Anonymous No.15032017]

>>15032012
He meant the whole ring made of a billet.

[Anonymous No.15032018]

>>15032011
>you are stupid for being invested in things that effect your life
>stop asking questions and do as you are told

[Anonymous No.15032020]

>>15032018
>>effect
>>stop asking questions and do as you are told
really not making a great case for you not being a retard. i recommend going back to pol.

[Anonymous No.15032023]

>>15031719
Scot by name, Scot by nature.

[Anonymous No.15032024]

>>15032013
The Alenia part of Thales-Alenia Space

As for why, basically Aeritalia got the contract of the main structural part of Spacelab in the 70s, it launched on the shuttle but ESA got screwed over on the contract term because of challenger disaster, the germans got mad and funded Colombus (which was twice as large as it ended up being and included a whole lot of other modules, see Colombus Free Flyer ) Aeritalia got a lot of contract and studies on it in the 80s/90s, got merged and rebandred as Alenia Aeronautica and acquired quite a bit of experience so that when NASA was starting to build their part of the ISS in the late 90s and wanted to put more nodes (Harmony and Tranquility) they got into an agreement with Alenia that they'd build the nodes in exchange for colombus beign sent on the shuttle. Also they found they italian offered a good deal on finishing the Cupolla design.

It Snowballed (+Italian invested a lot on SRBs technology which was under Avio) and now Italian unironically have the 4th best manned spacecraft technologies after Americans, Chinks and Russians (but don't say that to the Frogs)

[Anonymous No.15032029]

>>15032017
sorry, my bad

[Anonymous No.15032072]

>>15031566
https://www.wired.com/story/for-all-mankind-best-sci-fi-show/
>New Star Wars, new Star Trek, Russian Doll, Severance—these days sci-fi fans face an embarrassment of riches. On Friday, they will get even more with the return of For All Mankind, the ambitious, surprisingly effective alternate history series from Apple TV+ that also happens to be one of the greatest science fiction shows of the modern TV era.
Wait, are they implying all those shows listed are good?

[Anonymous No.15032083]

>>15032072
If you say the shows are shit you're blaspheming the woketard religion.

[Anonymous No.15032084]

>>15032072
They live in an alternate reality anon.

[Anonymous No.15032091]

>>15032023
Troon by birth, Troon by nature

[Anonymous No.15032095]

>>15032084
I wish that was true.

[Anonymous No.15032100]

>>15032072
dude what if an astronaut was gay AND a woman
what could have been, truly we live in the worst timeline

[Anonymous No.15032104]

>>15032091
It could have been worse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigg,_Highland

[Anonymous No.15032123]

nobody will care about spaceflight once the colonies are up and running. it'll be boring ass geopolitics then.

[Anonymous No.15032131]

>>15032123
>no one will care about seafaring once the new world colonies are up and running. it'll be boring ass geopolitics then

[Anonymous No.15032132]

>>15032123
That's the goal. Spaceflight should become as mundane as flying a plane.

[Anonymous No.15032133]

Imagine blaming the FAA as if they are the ones holding SpaceX back lol

[Anonymous No.15032135]

>>15032133
Any day that you're not condemning the government for its continued existence is a day you've failed a a citizen of this country

[Anonymous No.15032138]

>>15032135
If SpaceX was ready for a launch, then they'd be ready for a full static fire
Why did they pick boca Chica?

[Anonymous No.15032139]

[Anonymous No.15032141]

>>15032133
uh but they totally would have done a full static fire by now if they had clearence for an orbital laucnh

[Anonymous No.15032145]

>>15032072
Fuck off fag, you don't like their opion don't waste our time with it too.

[Anonymous No.15032151]

>>15032138
>the government is a determent to the republic and should be plowed under
>but why is SpaceX in Texas?

I feel we're not talking about the same subjects

[Anonymous No.15032152]

>>15031769
Cool. Anons who do digging for old/niche archived shit are OGs
I love seeing old photographs, old forum discussions from the Y2K era, etc.

[Anonymous No.15032161]

>>15032131
thats what it turned out to be though

[Anonymous No.15032165]

>>15031797
Where did you get this info? This is way too specific and unless I missed some russianspaceweb or berger article then this is the first I’m hearing of it

[Anonymous No.15032170]

this will happen in our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.15032173]

WAIT HOLD UP
Something just occurred to me
We know NASA is requesting a second HLS moonship. After doing some digging I was able to finally find a summary of that very confusing HLS announcement. We know NASA wants a second lander, with new “sustainable” goals. They also want an “upgraded” (my words) HLS Starship that can also meet this goals. My theory is that this will be a lunar lander Starship WITH a thermal protection system that has enough fuel to return to LEO and aerobreak. This explains Berger’s “source” that said Dragon was an option for crew launch and crew landing

[Anonymous No.15032177]

>>15032139
thank goodness they blurred that white flag! I could have sworn this was JAXA but now it’s top secret!

[Anonymous No.15032178]

>>15032170
Lol, talking about terraforming a planet in the same page as "hurr just 3d print a habitat"
Because genefically modified bacteria can live in a frozen desert vacuum

[Anonymous No.15032179]

>>15031809
>manned flyby
almost as much of a waste as your life

[Anonymous No.15032180]

>>15032173
oh shit

[Anonymous No.15032189]

>>15032139
Kibo is based though. It has an airlock and cubbyhole.

[Anonymous No.15032190]

>>15031830
>economy in the shitter and looking to get worse
generally not a good sign for a first term president

[Anonymous No.15032195]

>>15032165
RussianSpaceWeb and Russian forum novosti-kosmonavtiki. The latter is amazing because if you bother to dig deep, there's pretty much all the latest stuffon the Russian space program, without any kind of paywall.
Western sources like NSF.com or Berger do a terrible job at reporting Chinese and Russian space news.

[Anonymous No.15032196]

>>15032173
MOON MAN MOON MAN CAN'T YOU SEE
BLUE ORIGIN LACKS THE DELTA V

[Anonymous No.15032197]

>>15031949
cheaper since it's not used for anything?

[Anonymous No.15032204]

>>15031809
The only kind of flyby I'd be willing to accept as reasonable would be a Venus flyby. More specifically, one done in the 70s or 80s after the Apollo program, either in preparation for a Mars landing or as a continuation of the exploration of the inner Solar system. It would've been the first steps for the eventual development of a gigantic orbital hub orbiting the planet, which would, at the same time, work as support for the eventual quick trips to the surface that will happen.
Also, you are a cuck.

[Anonymous No.15032212]

Why do a flyby on Venus either, it's perfect for aerobraking, nice thick atmosphere, fall until you float

[Anonymous No.15032214]

Has anyone tried getting ChatGPT to design a rocket or a mission? I could prod it enough to make it avoid hydromeme and wings, but it was hard to get it to come up with details.

For comparison, it's capable of stating and correctly proving theorems in Coq, or spitting out whole working programs in C or Python or emulating a database, so it's not strictly a matter of being unable to deal with details.

Maybe it needs to be prompted with the start of a fake paper with the correct level of detail.

[Anonymous No.15032218]

>>15032204
>More specifically, one done in the 70s to keep Apollo budget and assembly lines
ftfy

[Anonymous No.15032231]

Astra beaten to the punch again, this time in on-orbit compute. It's over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/29/amazon-aws-experiment-satellite-orbit.html

[Anonymous No.15032232]

>>15031874
A black transwoman will be the first person on mars.

[Anonymous No.15032234]

>>15032231
Not even their own satellite....

[Anonymous No.15032235]

>>15032214
A hypothetical rocket engine with higher chamber pressure and ISP than Raptor 2 could potentially use a more efficient fuel and oxidizer combination, as well as more advanced combustion techniques, to achieve higher performance. For example, the engine could use a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen as its fuel, which would provide a higher ISP and a higher thrust to weight ratio than Raptor 2.

To operate such an engine, the fuel and oxidizer would be stored in separate tanks and pumped into the engine's combustion chamber, where they would be mixed and ignited. The resulting exothermic reaction would generate high-pressure gases, which would be expelled through the engine's nozzle to produce thrust.

In order to maintain a high chamber pressure and ISP, the engine would need to be carefully designed and constructed using materials that can withstand the extreme temperatures and pressures involved in rocket propulsion. The engine's combustion chamber and nozzle would need to be carefully shaped to promote efficient mixing and combustion of the fuel and oxidizer, and the engine would need to be equipped with advanced control systems to regulate the flow of fuel and oxidizer and maintain stable operation.

Overall, a hypothetical rocket engine with higher chamber pressure and ISP than Raptor 2 would be a highly advanced and complex piece of technology, capable of achieving impressive levels of performance and thrust.

[Anonymous No.15032238]

>>15032234
It is their own ground stations though, and their own cloud for training the model.

[Anonymous No.15032242]

>>15032235
There are several potential improvements that could be made to a rocket engine like Raptor 2. Here are three examples:

1. Higher chamber pressure and ISP: One potential improvement would be to increase the engine's chamber pressure and ISP, which are measures of the efficiency of the engine. This could be achieved by using a more efficient fuel and oxidizer combination, as well as more advanced combustion techniques. Higher chamber pressure and ISP would allow the engine to produce more thrust for a given amount of fuel, increasing its performance.

2. Higher thrust to weight ratio: Another potential improvement would be to increase the engine's thrust to weight ratio, which is a measure of how much thrust the engine can produce relative to its weight. This could be achieved by using lighter materials in the engine's construction, as well as more advanced designs that minimize the weight of the engine while maintaining its strength and durability. A higher thrust to weight ratio would allow the engine to produce more thrust for a given weight, making it more effective and efficient.

3. More advanced control systems: A third potential improvement would be to incorporate more advanced control systems into the engine. This could include sophisticated sensors and algorithms that allow the engine to monitor and adjust its performance in real time, as well as advanced materials and designs that allow the engine to operate more efficiently and stably. More advanced control systems would allow the engine to operate more reliably and consistently, increasing its performance and reliability.

[Anonymous No.15032247]

>>15032214
>>15032235
>>15032242
I think the biggest problem is probably that they actively tried to prevent it from returning bullshit, so it never pulls crazy ideas out of its ass and instead sticks with boring truths and generalities.

[Anonymous No.15032253]

>>15032231
whatever you do, don't spin up an on-demand EC2 instance in region us-leo-1.

[Anonymous No.15032265]

>>15032253
Space materials are ITAR so they'd use the us-gov prefix like GovCloud regions, and probably orbital parameters.

us-gov-iss-51.6
us-gov-geo-[longitude]
us-gov-sso-[LTAN]
us-gov-lun-south-1
us-gov-lun-nrho-1

[Anonymous No.15032280]

Did the Saturn V need to be 3 stages (really 4 if you count the CSM) or could it have been done as a 2STO—stretched kerolox booster and one hydrogen upper stage

[Anonymous No.15032281]

>>15032280
The third stage was needed for TLI.

[Anonymous No.15032282]

>>15032280
It could be used with two stages for launching stuff to LEO, just with less payload.
>source: KSP RP-1

[Anonymous No.15032283]

>>15032280
Could have been 2 stages if you just wanted to go LEO, think the third one was for Lunar transfer orbit.

[Anonymous No.15032284]

>>15032280
>2 stage Saturn V

[Anonymous No.15032286]

>>15032280
Skylab was launched on a TSTO Saturn V since Skylab was the emptied third stage....

[Anonymous No.15032287]

A crewed rocket capable of reaching Pluto.

[Anonymous No.15032288]

>>15032235
>AI is hydrologgs fan

Someone call John Connor

[Anonymous No.15032289]

>>15032287
>an entire Saturn V as a LES

[Anonymous No.15032294]

>2 stage "Shuttle derived" launcher
>Same diameter as ET to retain tooling
>HOWEVER, use kerolox first stage, hydrolox second stage
>Basically a thinner Saturn V
Would it have been viable?

[Anonymous No.15032296]

>>15031721
>>15031724
>>15031727
go back >>>/r/teslamotors

[Anonymous No.15032303]

>>15032294
Overkill, imagine the rocket with an ET-derived upper stage lmao, although desu with less weight on top As upper stage and stress from lower thrust it would be easier to design than SLS S-1
S1 will be w monster tho, S1-C would be underpowered lol

[Anonymous No.15032309]

>>15032296
The fact that you know about some specific faggot subreddit means you also have to go back you fucking redditor.

[Anonymous No.15032317]

>>15032235
>a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen
cryogenic mixed monoprop, now there's an idea that doesn't get proposed often enough
>stored in separate tanks and pumped into the engine's combustion chamber, where they would be mixed and ignited
fuck you, you stupid tease of a bot, you should be ashamed of yourself

[Anonymous No.15032322]

>>15032303
You could do direct ascent trajectories to fucking Uranus and Neptune and aerocapture on arrival.

[Anonymous No.15032326]

>>15032303
Doesn't have to be the same length as the ET, just same diameter.

[Anonymous No.15032329]

>MADV on New Glenn

Is it a good or bad idea?

Would the 3 stage variant work?

[Anonymous No.15032331]

>>15032317
I’d unironically rather be in a capsule with a hypergolic gas leak than sitting atop a premixed hydrologgs rocket

[Anonymous No.15032334]

you gotta love how orion designs used to use a big command module as the top

[Anonymous No.15032336]

>>15032329
Bad idea because BO is gay and cannot reach orbit and even if they could they don’t deserve to carry it. I’d rather it launch on SLS. Fuuuuuuck Blue Origin

[Anonymous No.15032337]

>>15032329
No rocket can carry that fatass.

[Anonymous No.15032338]

>>15032329
madv is less likely to succeed than new glenn

[Anonymous No.15032339]

>>15032329
>New Gleen
c'mon man, this is /sci/ not /gayfantasy/

[Anonymous No.15032341]

>>15032339
kek /discussion

[Anonymous No.15032342]

>>15032294
You’re describing the Jarvis launcher from the 80’s

[Anonymous No.15032343]

>>15032329
would probably work better than starship hls

[Anonymous No.15032347]

>>15032337
SLS Block 2 probably could, or SuperHeavy with an expendable second stage. It's very fluffy because most of the volume is hydrolox tankage.

[Anonymous No.15032348]

>>15032343
MADV requires 80 tons of hydrolox for a lunar round trip from the gateway to the surface. Too much lifting needed

[Anonymous No.15032350]

sorry bros, the f-1 is dead 5ever. though I wish it wasn't

[Anonymous No.15032352]

>>15032339
anon...

[Anonymous No.15032360]

>>15032331
Mixed methalox is crazy enough, and has nevertheless been seriously proposed on at least a couple occasions.
I don't THINK hydrolox is actually even soluble.
But I suppose that only stops us if we let it; just make a slurry of frozen oxygen in liquid hydrogen and keep it in suspension with mechanical agitation. It's denser that way, so the savings on tankage should make up for the mass of the giant slushee machine.

[Anonymous No.15032364]

>>15032360
I don't even want to think about machines functioning, much less moving, in mixed hydrolox. ugh.

[Anonymous No.15032365]

>LIQUID HYDROGEN FUELED AIRPLANES
This is going to go horribly wrong.

1/2

[Anonymous No.15032367]

>>15032365
>planes
I want to see cars powered by liquid hydrogen and oxygen.

[Anonymous No.15032369]

>>15032365
2/2

[Anonymous No.15032370]

>>15032365
it will work and you will seethe

[Anonymous No.15032371]

>>15032309
projection much?

[Anonymous No.15032372]

>>15032281
>>15032282
>>15032283
>>15032286
So how tf does starship get away with being a TST the moon/mars?

[Anonymous No.15032374]

>>15032372
fuck me I forgot about depots ugh. Literally the second I hit post it came to my mind

[Anonymous No.15032375]

>>15032372
>So how tf does starship get away with being a TST the moon/mars?
Because it's got another four to eight TSTO launches to refuel it so it can leave Earth Orbit.

[Anonymous No.15032376]

>>15032372
Are you completely and utterly retarded?

[Anonymous No.15032378]

>>15032374
Shelby was almost proud of you for a second, and now you're on his list.

[Anonymous No.15032379]

>>15032372
With a bunch of Starships refueling it.

[Anonymous No.15032381]

>>15032376
Just intoxicated. Not much of a difference after a certain point

[Anonymous No.15032382]

fuck, madv would have literally been the final evolution of oldspace. imagine the twenty thousand bespoke thermal tiles astronauts had to painstakingly replace by spacewalk before every landing.

[Anonymous No.15032383]

>>15032379
Doesn't this plan just mean the SLS is completely pointless?
Why not just send the astronauts in the HLS from the start?

[Anonymous No.15032387]

>>15032383
HLS has no launch escape or reentry capabilities. Starship is a ways off from being useful in the same ways a capsule is.

[Anonymous No.15032388]

>>15032382
madv wasn’t supposed to be a shuttle replacement. The tiles would have been a one off thing for mars entry
It’s still stupid either way and probably cost a million times more than Starship

[Anonymous No.15032391]

>>15032371
You're the one who knows about subreddits faggot

[Anonymous No.15032392]

>>15032388
it was part of mars base camp and would have been built to be "reusable".

[Anonymous No.15032393]

>>15032387
But in that case couldn't they send them on the HLS, land and then get in the Orion when coming back?
The first ship transfer still seems pointless.

[Anonymous No.15032394]

>>15032383
delet quick, shelbies men are coming for you

[Anonymous No.15032395]

>>15032365
>muh green hydromeme
>(cracked from only the freshest methane!)
hon hon hon!

[Anonymous No.15032396]

>Ariane 6 pushed back to Q4 2023
It’s over

[Anonymous No.15032397]

>>15032369
Based A380 Zero-e demonstrator

[Anonymous No.15032399]

>>15032393
NASA still wants a launch escape system for its astronauts, which HLS does not provide.

[Anonymous No.15032400]

>>15032379
>Orion docking with HLS
POOR LITTLE NASA BOY

[Anonymous No.15032401]

>>15032399
>launch escape system
>on a lunar lander
where exactly are they going to "escape" to?

[Anonymous No.15032404]

>>15032401
I think he means during launch on Earth, in case the rocket fails.

[Anonymous No.15032408]

>>15032400
stop posting this

[Anonymous No.15032409]

>>15032383
>Doesn't this plan just mean the SLS is completely pointless?

SLS is a necessary evil to get Congress to fund Artemis, it isn't needed to actually conduct the Moon landings once Starship is flying.

[Anonymous No.15032410]

>>15032404
You mean a manned Starship launch? When exactly is that being seriously planned to happen?
They're going to use a Crew Dragon and some kind of docking and/or crew transfer.

[Anonymous No.15032413]

>>15032410
No, he means an emergency escape system, like the LES in the Saturn V.
HLS doesn't have that.

[Anonymous No.15032415]

>>15032413
Again, escape from what phase of the mission? There's nowhere to escape to once you've already reached orbit.

[Anonymous No.15032416]

>>15032408
no

[Anonymous No.15032417]

>>15032401
On Earth, abord in case of a launch failure
On the Moon, abort to Orbit in case of a Raptor failure, possibly to the Gateway (could be a safe heaven for the crew)

[Anonymous No.15032421]

>>15032415
Again, for the fucking launch.
No shit it doesn't work on orbit.

[Anonymous No.15032422]

>>15032415
See post >>15032417

[Anonymous No.15032424]

>>15032415
not that anon but a beefy service module like the Orion has allows some unconventional abort modes on interplanetary missions. Apollo would have been better at it though, if they had really designed Orion with mars missions in mind they would have prioritized delta v and hibernation systems over what it has now.

[Anonymous No.15032427]

>>15032204
Venus cloudship atmospheric deceleration or bust

[Anonymous No.15032429]

>>15032421
If they don't launch on HLS why would HLS need an escape system?
Just fuck off, concern doomtrolls.

[Anonymous No.15032432]

>>15032429
>If they don't launch on HLS why would HLS need an escape system?
They are not launching on the HLS precisely because it doesn't have a LES system.
Just get the fuck out of this board, you can barely follow a conversation.

[Anonymous No.15032433]

>>15032417
>possibly to the Gateway

Lol

Lmao even

[Anonymous No.15032439]

>>15032417
>On the Moon, abort to Orbit in case of a Raptor failure, possibly to the Gateway

Ok but there's not going to be a gateway so they get to """abort""" to lunar orbit to die instead of waiting in the HLS cocktail bar floor for a rescue.

[Anonymous No.15032440]

>>15032424
OG 2006-2007 Orion CEV had a much larger service module with dual AJ10s, SIM bays and auxiliary fuel cells. Then the whole Ares I debacle happened and they shrunk down the capsule diameter and gave it a smaller SM. Then it got even worse when the Lockheed SM was replaced by the ESA ESM in 2012, now the poor thing can't even enter Low Lunar Orbit like Apollo did.

[Anonymous No.15032441]

>>15032432
they're not launching on HLS because it hasn't even flown once yet, it was barely on the drawing board when artemis was being locked in

[Anonymous No.15032443]

>>15032396

[Anonymous No.15032444]

>>15032441
And because there's no plans to add any LES systems.

[Anonymous No.15032445]

The Lunar Orbit -> Lunar Surface -> Lunar Orbit leg of Artemis has no launch abort capability as part of its specification.

[Anonymous No.15032446]

I go to uranus :^)

[Anonymous No.15032448]

>>15032417
>>15032432
>>15032441
Artemis is not launching crew on HLS because Congress has required NASA to use Orion.

[Anonymous No.15032449]

>>15032446
chemical propulsion btw

[Anonymous No.15032450]

>>15032433
>>15032439
Can you please, like, just read the thread you retard ? There are Gateway assembly pics on >>15031921

[Anonymous No.15032452]

>>15032441
>HLS hasn't launched so we can't use it
>So instead we send them on our Orion capsule that has had one of the two redundant critical power components fail because it's too expensive to rip apart half the capsule to fix it

Let's see how this plays out, I'm sure NASAs niggernauts and womenauts will be able to Apollo 13 their way out any problems LMAO

[Anonymous No.15032454]

>>15032452
Victor Glover could

[Anonymous No.15032455]

>>15032416
based absolutist anon

[Anonymous No.15032456]

>>15032365
LH2 jets seems like a meme for anything but Hypersonic missiles

[Anonymous No.15032457]

>>15032452
memes aside they probably would.

[Anonymous No.15032459]

It always leaves out the difficult/interesting bits:

A mission to Mars using a laser thermal engine in space would require the development of a spacecraft equipped with the necessary propulsion and life support systems. The spacecraft would be launched from Earth using a conventional rocket and then enter into a low Earth orbit, where it would undergo final preparations for the journey to Mars. Once in orbit, the laser thermal engine would be activated, using a high-energy laser to heat and accelerate a solid fuel pellet. The spacecraft would use the resulting thrust to gradually build up its speed and escape Earth's gravity, eventually reaching a cruising speed of around 10 km/s.

As the spacecraft approaches Mars, it would enter into a Mars orbit and begin preparations for landing. The laser thermal engine could be used again to slow the spacecraft down and allow it to enter the Martian atmosphere safely. Once on the surface of Mars, the spacecraft would deploy a rover or other exploration equipment to study the planet and collect data.

The infrastructure needed for this mission would include a launch facility and rocket for launching the spacecraft from Earth, as well as a high-energy laser and solid fuel pellets for use in the laser thermal engine. The spacecraft would also need to be equipped with advanced propulsion and guidance systems, as well as life support and other systems necessary for a long-duration mission. Additionally, the mission would require extensive planning and coordination with ground-based support teams to ensure the success of the mission.

[Anonymous No.15032461]

>>15032448
HLS isn't designed to do what Orion does anyway, and there's no reason to keep bringing it up.

[Anonymous No.15032463]

>>15032446
all that gas...

[Anonymous No.15032466]

>>15032463
is uranus stinky? :^))))

[Anonymous No.15032467]

>>15032450
Lmao they have a handful of shell components and you expect the whole thing to be coordinated among multiple nations oldspace pork fags, launched, assembled and moved into RLHO in a few years? Keep dreaming my little Reddit dude

[Anonymous No.15032468]

>>15032456
Ariane 5 uses LH2 and it was World's finest rocket before Falcon 9, wtt are you talking about

It's not because the SLS launch campagn was pure garbage that LH2 sucks. It's just the SLS design that sucks.

[Anonymous No.15032472]

>>15032468
LH2 is shit because it needs SRBs to make a sustainer stage work and those things are basically AIDS for everything except having lots of thrust once they're lit.

[Anonymous No.15032474]

>>15032468
>It's not because the SLS launch campagn was pure garbage that LH2 sucks. It's just the SLS design that sucks.

No, Hydrogen is shit, muh 10 or whatever paltry extra ISP over methane for a gorillion more dollars, complexity and failure modes. Oh and you can't even launch it by itself because it has trash TWR and needs gigantic tanks so you have to strap SRB bombs to the side or only use it as an upper stage, cool propellant bro lmao.

>Ariane V
>World's finest rocket before F9

That was Soyuz, kill yourself nigger.

[Anonymous No.15032476]

booster 7 is damaged beyond repair

[Anonymous No.15032482]

>>15032468
>Ariane 5 was the worlds finest rocket before Falcon 9
It was certainly reliable but don’t retroactively give it more credit than it deserves. It’s a reliable rocket that barely launched. The same shit can be said about Atlas V and Delta IV and those launched WAY more frequently

[Anonymous No.15032488]

>>15032482
and not to mention Soyuz, as the anon above me correctly pointed out

[Anonymous No.15032489]

>>15032461
>HLS isn't designed to do what Orion does anyway

Orion is designed to ferry crew out to HLS, so yeah?

[Anonymous No.15032492]

>>15032476
Not what Elle Two says. SpaceX is pushing for a December 28 launch even though it’s horribly aspirational

[Anonymous No.15032494]

will be skipping to booster 9

[Anonymous No.15032495]

>>15032472
>>15032474
>Muh SRBs

[Anonymous No.15032496]

>>15032476
No worries m8, Pedro is welding up the next dozen as we speak, should be done by siesta.

[Anonymous No.15032497]

>>15032482
The Ariane 5 actually hit 7 flights per year in 2009, 2012, and 2017. It's not a lot by SpaceX's standards but its a lot by anyone else's.

[Anonymous No.15032498]

>>15032489
Alright i’m NTA and yes Starship is designed first and foremost as a crew-to-Mars vehicle but just playing devil’s advocate: HLS Moonship specifically is being designed purely as a lander. I think his point was that the discussion is tiresome, as NASA is expecting crew to always use Orion and the discussion gets brought up every damn day in the general and leads us nowhere. Can it do it? Yes. Will it do it? As of right now no. Can this plan change in the near future? Possibly.
This is as deep as the conversation goes though there’s no use arguing facts we all know

[Anonymous No.15032501]

>>15032474
>>15032482
>97 Atlas V
>41 Delta IV
>114 Ariane 5

Can't tell if you people are on drugs or just plain retarded

Ariane 5 was world's best HLV for 25 years, don't cry just fucking deal with it

[Anonymous No.15032504]

>>15032492
L2 is a scam.

[Anonymous No.15032505]

>>15032492
Bullshit. NASA's internal schedule says mid-2023. Not an ideal source but surely better than whatever bullshit Elon or his goons says

[Anonymous No.15032506]

>>15032495

[Anonymous No.15032507]

>>15032495
Energia was not a hydrolox rocket.

[Anonymous No.15032509]

>>15032504
This. Everything that's on L2 can be found somewhere else on the web, when it's real and not complete bullshit

[Anonymous No.15032511]

>>15032501
ULA simply spread their launches out across two rockets
97+41 = 138
138 > 114
Just fucking deal with it, frogger

[Anonymous No.15032514]

>>15032501
Friendly reminder that part of the reason Ariane 5 has flown for 25 years is that the Ariane 6 has been delayed for years.

[Anonymous No.15032516]

>>15032501
Ok now post the number of Soyuz launches

[Anonymous No.15032520]

>>15032511
>Delta IV and Atlas V are now the same rocket
ok
>>15032514
Also the reason why Atlas V has flown so long is because of Vulcan being delayed

[Anonymous No.15032521]

>1/3rd of all Falcon 9 launches happened this year
What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.15032523]

>>15032521
They've been literally launching a Falcon 9 every 3-4 days for the past few months.

[Anonymous No.15032526]

Good morning sirs, who gives a shit about Ariane 5

[Anonymous No.15032527]

>>15032521
Chuds are winning

[Anonymous No.15032528]

>>15032521
>img
what

[Anonymous No.15032530]

>>15032511
ULA wasn't a thing until late 2006, but you were probably in your mother's womb back then so of course you don't know that

[Anonymous No.15032533]

>>15032526
>posts some ugly ass pajeet shit

[Anonymous No.15032537]

>>15032526
I like the Hindu mini-Titan.

[Anonymous No.15032538]

>>15032506
Three hydrolox cores without a sustainer stage and it basically only manages to match Ariane 5's performance profile.
>>15032495
Strap-on kerolox boosters to avoid the pitfalls of solids, each packing a candidate for the best liquid fueled rocket engine ever made, and it still required four of the bastards.

[Anonymous No.15032542]

>>15032533
I mean, you're not wrong. ISRO's rockets do look kind of rough. But I like these rockets. They look different. You can tell by looking at an Indian rocket that it's Indian. Also Gaganyaan is pure sovl.

[Anonymous No.15032560]

>>15032537
Pretty accurate description

[Anonymous No.15032576]

>>15032521
Acceleration

[Anonymous No.15032581]

>>15032520
>Delta IV and Atlas V are now the same rocket

Considering Ariane 5 was the European Unions only big rocket for 20 some years while in the same time frame American launches were divided up amongst the:
-Titan IV
-Delta IV
-Atlas V
-Falcon 9
-Space Shuttle

[Anonymous No.15032589]

>>15032520
>>Delta IV and Atlas V are now the same rocket
Considering ULAs business model—yes. They are consolidating the two roles into one rocket, Vulcan. It will probably outcompete A6 unless SUSIE turns out to be way better than expected, which a) I doubt but also b) that isn’t the point of the discussion
ULA acquired two different rocket families and sells them based off of customer needs but for all intents and purposes they’re basically the same rocket.

[Anonymous No.15032609]

This will never not be hilarious

[Anonymous No.15032627]

>>15032609
This was from the Blue Origin protest lol

[Anonymous No.15032643]

>>15032627
It’s almost as if SeX launching to orbit and working with NASA paid off because they knew how the system worked!
That’s what you get when you fuck around in suborbit for 20 years

[Anonymous No.15032650]

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/niac_2018_phii_woodward_macheffects_2_tagged.pdf
Thoughts? I dont' know what to think about NIAC anymore. most of them have the potential to be interesting and useful but this one seems sus. Led by Woodward himself too.

[Anonymous No.15032712]

>>15032104
I live 5 miles from Nigg. This is the only time i have ever seen anything close to where i live mentioned on the internet.

[Anonymous No.15032719]

>>15032526
>Ariane 2.5
Do not redeem, basterd bitch

[Anonymous No.15032739]

>>15031617
Nice maymay
Same as commercial fusion reactors.

[Anonymous No.15032753]

https://twitter.com/yousuckMZ/status/1599604340200988673
>Online meeting with Elon Musk is done. I can make a major announcement about space around the noon of December 8, PST. It's another new announcement on the anniversary of exactly one year since the day I went to ISS last year.

[Anonymous No.15032802]

>>15031805
This shit looks so fucking uninspired, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.15032841]

elon is now explicitly comparing himself to Moses
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1599671964582391808

[Anonymous No.15032848]

>>15032841
That's Noah you tit.

[Anonymous No.15032870]

>>15032753
one of us

[Anonymous No.15032874]

>>15032753
YOU WA SHOCK

[Anonymous No.15032877]

>>15032212
Floating is scary

[Anonymous No.15032878]

>>15032802
What the fuck is that shit anyhow? It's not great that Starship is gonna need an elevator, but what's with that ladder, and why is that part on the top so fat anyhow? How the fuck do you launch it, it makes Starliner look sane.

[Anonymous No.15032888]

>>15032841
This is it, the most retarded spaceflight post Muskrat Prime has made.
All his money and he doesn't hire professional propagandists to make twittoids submit themselves to the horrors of Martian colonization by flooding their feeds with false promises on Mars.

[Anonymous No.15032891]

>>15032841
Elon is the new Abraham. I wish I was one of those animals to take a ride, this could really happen

[Anonymous No.15032895]

Shenzhou-14 landing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnvjlAD2GdI

[Anonymous No.15032896]

>>15032841
He knows the way. All aboard the Elons Ark

[Anonymous No.15032900]

[Anonymous No.15032903]

he is still my king

[Anonymous No.15032922]

>>15032365
>>15032369
Is it burning the hydrogen or fuel cell electric?

[Anonymous No.15032941]

>>15032072
Severance is good man, excellent perhaps

[Anonymous No.15032942]

>>15032627
>JeffBezos

[Anonymous No.15032952]

>>15031566
It uses the standard ideological propaganda formula of starting off with just a sprinkling of wokeness while pulling you in with reasonably good production values and storytelling. As your interest is stimulated by the story and eye candy, they start adding in more and more ridiculous woke agitprop. By season three, an obvious Elon Musk stand-in is pic related.
Season one is enjoyable enough and the ideological stuff can be easily ignored. In starts getting laid on thicker in season two. If you make the effort to trudge through the muck, there's still some good storytelling underneath. But season three is completely unsalvageable.

[Anonymous No.15032954]

>>15032952
season 4 will be even better

[Anonymous No.15032957]

https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1599570860746342400

[Anonymous No.15032959]

>>15032957

[Anonymous No.15032961]

[Anonymous No.15032962]

>>15032138
>Why did they pick boca Chica?
Almost as south as possible in the US with a large zero population density path eastward. Both are obvious desirable advantages to anyone with even the basic understanding of rocketry.
From a political point-of-view, Texas is less likely to give the company regulatory hassles than states like California, though obviously the feds are going to fed no matter where you are.

[Anonymous No.15032963]

[Anonymous No.15032965]

the starlink gen2 gateway "megasite"

[Anonymous No.15032967]

[Anonymous No.15032968]

[Anonymous No.15032969]

Should we start calling Blue Origin the Double Dime Dealer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX8gh32qKhQ

[Anonymous No.15032974]

>>15032963
<1cm of snow
The flowchart is wrong. Fire that person.

[Anonymous No.15032980]

https://youtu.be/t9G36CDLzIg
it is happening

[Anonymous No.15032986]

>>15032969
NDT Destroys Jeff Bezo And Jeff Branson

[Anonymous No.15032988]

>>15032969
>launching off the surface sideways and hoping your shit ignites before you fall back onto the lander
what could possibly go wrong

[Anonymous No.15032989]

>>15032365
I hope it works out

[Anonymous No.15032992]

>>15032365
Musk on electric airplanes

[Anonymous No.15032995]

>>15032992
>electric airplanes
Ships are more interesting. Tesla should build one.

[Anonymous No.15033003]

>>15032995
probably don't have the bandwidth for that at the moment, maybe after all major forms of ground transport have been electrified and ramped somewhat

[Anonymous No.15033012]

Starlink in Arctic with 30mph winds -20 C

[Anonymous No.15033018]

>>15033003
Not enough batteries, still have to keep the cost of operations low, while growing profits, Tesla has to optimize for operational/engineering efficiencies to keep their value up while they grow rapidly and towards a prospereous future. When they have 10M+ vehicles per year, then they can focus on other tangents.

[Anonymous No.15033019]

>>15032952
Pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.15033026]

>>15032992
ESA's Ariane 6 transport ship is using ocean sails to reduce the amount of work the engines have to do, that might translate well for electric ocean liners

[Anonymous No.15033034]

>>15033018
Tesla needs to invent new large-scale batteries.

[Anonymous No.15033035]

>>15033034
Solid state batteries

[Anonymous No.15033036]

>>15033034
Already has it. The 4680. They're scaling it up.

[Anonymous No.15033037]

>>15033036
Not lithium-ion.

[Anonymous No.15033038]

>>15033037
Find me a better battery that can be mass produced more easily, mined more easily, cheaper, faster charging, safer, long lasting, can be put into vehicles in 5 years, and you'll get a billion dollar contracts from every EV car maker in the world.

[Anonymous No.15033041]

>>15033038
>Find me a better battery that can be mass produced more easily, mined more easily, cheaper, faster charging, safer, long lasting
That's their job.
>can be put into vehicles in 5 years
Not intended for road or air vehicles. Lithium-ion works fine for road vehicles, but it can't scale well enough or deal with time scales long enough to ever see serious use at the scales of ships or the grid.

[Anonymous No.15033045]

>>15033041
>lithium cant scale
50+ million vehicles have been made with lithium ion in the last decade. 500+ million made be made with lithium this decade. Lithium batteries scale just fine.

[Anonymous No.15033046]

https://twitter.com/thebias_news/status/1599555410855596032
>KANYE WEST SAYS HE BELIEVES ELON MUSK IS A HALF-CHINESE “GENETIC HYBRID”

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1599588240998428673
>I take that as a compliment!

[Anonymous No.15033053]

>>15033046
what is even going on at this point

[Anonymous No.15033054]

>>15033046
Why hasn't he spoken more about genetic engineering?

[Anonymous No.15033055]

>>15033041
>>15033045
I guess he's saying the cycle life is not enough for ships which is wrong.
You'd be using something closer to LiFePO4 chemistry which cycles 5000-10000 times. That is enough for 100 years worth of transatlantic crossings.

[Anonymous No.15033057]

>>15033054
You don't need to genetically engineer catgirls, when you can just virtually inject them into your brain

[Anonymous No.15033058]

>>15033054
Good morning sir.
Please do the needful and return to twitter

[Anonymous No.15033059]

>>15033058
???

[Anonymous No.15033064]

>>15032753
dear Moon is delayed/canceled

[Anonymous No.15033065]

>>15033057
>Catgirls will unironically be real in your lifetime
The future is bright bros

[Anonymous No.15033068]

>>15033046
wtf

[Anonymous No.15033091]

>>15033068
He's right.

[Anonymous No.15033111]

>>15032383
Crew Dragon from Earth to LEO, HLS from LEO to Lunar surface and back to LEO, Crew Dragon from LEO to Earth.

[Anonymous No.15033127]

>>15031874
>black guy and diversity hire chick locked in a shitbox for months
can't wait for the first violent murder in space

[Anonymous No.15033128]

>tfw bepicolombo was initially supposed to have a lander
I hate budget cuts

[Anonymous No.15033136]

>>15033038
Lithium Iron Phosphate.

[Anonymous No.15033145]

>>15033111
>HLS from LEO to Lunar surface and back to LEO
this is the uncertain part

[Anonymous No.15033168]

>>15032365
>>15032370
>>15032369
>>15032989
Have you ever been to a large airport? They fuel the planes at the gate. Big airports can have more than a hundred gates. Even if fueling the airplanes with a meme fuel was practical and economical, imagine the infrastructure necessary to get liquid hydrogen to all the gates. It would probably cost more than building the airport in the first place and there would be weekly. if not daily explosions.

[Anonymous No.15033184]

>>15033054
that is very taboo still

[Anonymous No.15033186]

>>15033136
Made of lithium

[Anonymous No.15033192]

>>15033168
daily explosions lmao
obviously if its that difficult, its not going to happen but I mean I hope it works out still
will probably get overshadowed by purely electric airplanes after the energy density of batteries gets good enough so it could be the case that hydrogen is DOA on arrival even in this use-case like it was for cars

[Anonymous No.15033202]

>>15033054
https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html

1) Genetic engineering is needed/very important
2) Problem of Hitler arises aka genetic purity/philosophical debates/morality/etc.

[Anonymous No.15033210]

>>15033202
Like I've been saying, genetic engineering is a necessity for serious intergenerational human habitation off of Earth. Can't fix jello babies without huge mechanical systems to simulate gravity or genetic engineering to make them grow up alright even in lower gravity. Technically there's nothing wrong with it, it's just that the people of a given world won't be able to go to any world with higher gravity than the world they were raised on.

[Anonymous No.15033217]

>>15033192
I hope you are right that we soon develop batteries that are light enough, powerful enough and are produced of common enough materials that they can be deployed across the air fleet. I hope this also gives rise to an electrically powered jet replacement. I hope we can build out ground power infrastructure and get over the taboo around nuclear, so that powering these planes doesn't just end up centralizing the pollution.

As for hydrogen, the increase in the size of tanks needed to store the liquid hydrogen is going to force design changes (and likely reduce passenger capacity), which is why there are proposals like flying wings. Maybe to alleviate the fueling problem they can have the tanks be detachable and they can be fueled away from the gate and then mated up before takeoff. I suppose that might allow you to jettison the tanks in an emergency, like to prevent an explosion.

[Anonymous No.15033218]

>>15032753
Yusaku is mad SLS/Orion went to the Moon first. Now paying for a lunar landing to beat NASA. we gaaaan

[Anonymous No.15033228]

>>15032954
This, /sfg/ will be all over the ion Starship

[Anonymous No.15033235]

Work on the orbital launch mount continues...

[Anonymous No.15033236]

>>15033235
source?

[Anonymous No.15033241]

>>15033236
>source?

[Anonymous No.15033242]

>>15033241
source for that picture?

[Anonymous No.15033244]

>>15033242
https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php?topic=18844.120

[Anonymous No.15033249]

>>15031566
It's fucking garbage, that's why. I'm not interested in seeing love drama and niggers in space. Would have been a lot more interesting if they focused on the people that actually existed. Their entire timeline ffs starts with Korolev not dying. Could have a lot of focus on the relevant actors on both sides of the space race. Like Korolev and Glushko overcoming their differences and past to work together. Maybe have something happen to Van Braun that hinders the development of Saturn V etc.

[Anonymous No.15033264]

>>15032495
somebody calm down the tweaker holding the camera

[Anonymous No.15033265]

>>15032712
Don't relax.

[Anonymous No.15033271]

https://twitter.com/rfa_space/status/1599750854831378432

[Anonymous No.15033278]

>>15033271
>RFA
>blurred thrust dome
They should kill themselves. They neither have to abide by ITAR nor do they have any secret plumbing technology worth protecting when companies like Rocket Lab and SpaceX exist the latter of which shows EVERYTHING that isn't the inside of a Raptor engine.

[Anonymous No.15033280]

>>15033278
>ITAR
You think fucking Germany of all nations don't have a shit tonne of bureaucracy around shit like this? Are you retarded by chance?

[Anonymous No.15033282]

>>15033280
>You think fucking Germany of all nations don't have a shit tonne of bureaucracy around shit like this? Are you retarded by chance?
Yes they don't have any restrictions.
Could publish all CAD files of the engine legally.

[Anonymous No.15033290]

>>15033282
Retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

[Anonymous No.15033292]

>>15033290
There is no law controlling information about rocket technology in Germany.
As I said they could publish all CAD files of the engine legally.

[Anonymous No.15033296]

>>15033292
You're reaching so fucking hard right now it's embarrassing. Germany literally and actively works towards upholding the MCTR. You being some retarded faggot with a stick up your ass about technicalities is pathetic beyond belief.

[Anonymous No.15033302]

>>15033296
You're completely wrong. There is nothing that comes even close to ITAR and "shit tonne of bureaucracy" does not apply to digital material they post on twitter.

[Anonymous No.15033317]

I had a dream that Spain was launching a Long March 2F, and for some reason the public relations room where an announcer does the countdown was situated just a few hundred feet from the rocket. Naturally, 2 of the boosters shut down a few seconds after liftoff and the whole thing careened over and exploded in midair.

[Anonymous No.15033339]

>>15033210
Everyone knows this is true, but most people aren't so fixated on longevity and star colonization to look past the moral issues. Shortsighted in my opinion but then again the world might be worse if it was all people who wanted to get things done. Just last thread there were vehemently anti-generic engineering sfg posters, so it's more of a visceral fear than anything.

[Anonymous No.15033344]

Close flyby coming up.

[Anonymous No.15033355]

>https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/12/dmitry-rogozin-may-be-in-some-trouble-in-russia/
Rogozin in hot seat

[Anonymous No.15033375]

>>15033344

[Anonymous No.15033389]

>>15033355
berger writing fake news / american propaganda slop

[Anonymous No.15033390]

>longest distance from earth for a human rated space craft......meant to comeback
lmao they had to come up with something

[Anonymous No.15033395]

>>15033389
Having their equivalent of Blackwater huffing and puffing on social media is still pretty cringe. Although writing about Rogozin after he left POCKOCMOS is pretty cringe.

[Anonymous No.15033397]

>>15033390
Kek. Inshallah we will bring snoopy back and dethrone Orion. Or at the very least Isaacman will order a crewed SS to fly 200 km further

[Anonymous No.15033398]

[Anonymous No.15033403]

>>15033053
Elon's trolling. Every human being is a genetic hybrid, since they are a composition of the genes provided by their mother and father in equal possibility. Elon being an autist, is spring boarding off the word play of that. There's also the fact that there's a common meme that runs on the internet of that one guy, Ya Min Ling I think his name is, who has a very close resemblance to Elon almost like they're distant cousins or someshit.

It's also a well known fact that even across our full breadth of genetic diversity, there's a small but real possibility of a doppleganger of our own existing in the world that we're generally not aware of. Not 1:1 likeness, maybe 1:4 or 1:8. Musk is just having himself a laugh, and also of Kanye losing his shit. Kanye crossed one line too many to Elon, I don't think they are friends any more. Kanye is burning every bridge that connects him to his past, like an even edgier Sasuke. Except, there's no Sharingan at the end of his road that's gonna save his ass.

[Anonymous No.15033407]

>>15033202
>>15033210
The only way to solve the Hitler problem is to not be on Earth. Everything beyond our orbital boundary is so completely inhospitable to us, that we'll be forced to leverage genetic engineering/gene therapy to deal with the challenges of that, and by moving the problem off world, you are now in a clean slate environment where you can have the moral/ethical debate all you want, but the environment will simply force you to adapt in a way where you can survive or you'll die.

Which then will circle us back to the original question: do we all go extinct on this Earth or do we expand outwards in search of the grand truth, and overcome the necessary challenges, to achieve that?

[Anonymous No.15033408]

>>15033390
Is that only because some of the spent LEMs are orbiting the sun now? Or are they counting Elon's fucking tesla as a man-rated craft?

[Anonymous No.15033410]

>have great camera angle of the moon
>move the solar panel so you can only see it in the corner of the screen

[Anonymous No.15033412]

>>15033408
It’s because of the LEM (I think snoopy is the only one. The apollo 11 one may or may not still be in lunar orbit also, this is a little deeper on the spaceflight iceberg)

[Anonymous No.15033413]

[Anonymous No.15033423]

>>15033344
I wonder, if moon has no meaningfull atmosphere, why nobody made a super-low-pass just above surface of the moon, to take better quality pictures, or scan it's surface in better resolutions?

[Anonymous No.15033424]

>>15033412
NASA should just be able to say "furthest human-rated craft ever" and be done with it, nobody thinks a half-spent LEM would be a suitable vehicle for long-distance travel like Orion is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.15033428]

>>15033127
>for months
If the nig wants to nog, he's gonna have to do it while they're patching hydrogen leaks. (Although I guess that may be months after all.)
Because when the countdown hits zero, woman driver is going to back SLS right into the launch pad.

[Anonymous No.15033431]

>>15033423
One day flying the lowest safe orbit of the Moon will be a sport

[Anonymous No.15033435]

>>15033423
>The lowest orbit achieved would probably be PFS-2, a small satellite deployed from Apollo 16's service module. It was intended to go into a 55x76-mile orbit (88.5x122 km), but due to variations in the Moon's gravity field, it made passes of six miles (9.6 km) or less before crashing into the Moon's surface.
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/50147/lowest-possible-lunar-orbit-and-has-any-spacecraft-achieved-it

[Anonymous No.15033436]

>>15033424
Nah the LM is human rated and it’s far so it still wins. Maybe wait until astronauts are onboard and THEN brag about being the furthest humans have ever gone

[Anonymous No.15033447]

>>15033436
>Nah the LM is human rated
How long is the upper stage rated for? If it's only meant to keep you alive between landing and rendezvous then it's more a liferaft than a ship, you can't take it across the ocean. Then again you can't ride Orion anywhere else either.

[Anonymous No.15033498]

ayo sfg help a homie out
I get why L1 has those blue force arrows pointing towards the earth and sun. and I get inwards-pointing blue arrows in the other points. How the fuck do the outwards pointed ones work? Why are L4 and L5 these hillpeaks instead of forever growing slopes?

[Anonymous No.15033516]

>>15033038
Aluminium graphene

[Anonymous No.15033519]

[Anonymous No.15033545]

Would hydrolox still be a meme if storage were to be solved?

[Anonymous No.15033546]

>>15033317
oh dios mioooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.15033566]

>>15033545
Hydrolox is unironically really good in cislunar space because it’s easy to make on the moon and has good isp

[Anonymous No.15033567]

>>15033545
Storage is solved if you get rid of hydrogen and choose normal fuel.

[Anonymous No.15033572]

>>15033545
if 'solved' means making cheap, stable metallic hydrogen then yeah

[Anonymous No.15033574]

She was too based for this world

[Anonymous No.15033577]

>>15033519
Is this this first time a New Glenn fairing has been spotted?

[Anonymous No.15033582]

>>15033545
If by sold you mean magic, then sure

[Anonymous No.15033593]

>>15033574
wtf is that
the global south's moon mission?

[Anonymous No.15033608]

Read it and weep, your days are numbered america

[Anonymous No.15033613]

>>15033608
Jesus, I hope that one day I'll manage to get out of this hellhole.

[Anonymous No.15033619]

>>15033608
>4. Europe invents everything new in space flight
Ummmmmm

[Anonymous No.15033622]

>>15033608
diversity is their strength

[Anonymous No.15033623]

>>15033608
kek, which one of you is trolling him?

[Anonymous No.15033626]

>>15033608
lmao, it's not going to be countries the ones taking over space, it's corps.
No country wants wants to spend billions on single use rockets.

[Anonymous No.15033627]

>>15033608
How much copium is ESA huffing right now?

[Anonymous No.15033662]

>>15033608
oh no

[Anonymous No.15033664]

>>15033608
The tone reminds of the butthut Tesla shorts, the European ones.

[Anonymous No.15033666]

>>15033608
lol spacex is not even mentioned, what the fuck :D lmao

[Anonymous No.15033718]

>>15033317
strange, i also had a dream about a falcon 9 crash landing into a river outside my house. do sfg anons have spaceflight-related dreams often?

[Anonymous No.15033752]

>>15033718
I wish, I've only had a few I can remember.
Recently I had one about driving a lunokhod, complete with signal delay. Eventually it got stuck on a rock and everyone yelled at me

[Anonymous No.15033753]

>Boeing were so convinced Delta 4 would be a runaway commercial success that they made a block buy of 100 rl-10s to cover the first few years of operation

Lol

[Anonymous No.15033764]

>>15033753
Not the worst decision right? Those RL-10s aren’t useless. Buying something like hyper specified GEM boosters or RS-27s in bulk only for them to become outdated would be way worse

[Anonymous No.15033826]

Liftoff

>>15033824
>>15033824
>>15033824
>>15033824

[Anonymous No.15033919]

>>15033608
Jesus, i can poke holes in all of these statements, my kneejerk reaction is to say this is a kraut due to the remark over USAF, but it could also be a butthurt french

[Anonymous No.15033922]

>>15033498
they're also pointing down a gradient: the blue line is a set of high points, with dips at Earth and L3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PHvDj4TDfM&t=494s

[Anonymous No.15034104]

>>15032104
do they have a hospital with an emergency room?